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Zarfot Z
09-10-2012, 11:06 PM
THE YEAR SO FAR

Roger Federer: 1 Grand Slam, three 1000, two 500 = 6 titles (1 GS)
Rafael Nadal: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000, one 500 = 4 titles (1 GS)
Novak Djokovic: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000 = 3 titles (1 GS)
Andy Murray: 1 Grand Slam, one Olympic gold, one 250 tournament = 3 titles (1 GS)

The top four have split the majors between them, with Federer slightly ahead of his competition. Djokovic has been the most consistent at Grand Slams, with Nadal being the least consistent. IMO it all comes down to the WTF. The winner of that will likely go on to be the player of the year.

tenniswriter
09-10-2012, 11:07 PM
THE YEAR SO FAR

Roger Federer: 1 Grand Slam, three 1000, two 500 = 6 titles (1 GS)
Rafael Nadal: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000, one 500 = 4 titles (1 GS)
Novak Djokovic: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000 = 3 titles (1 GS)
Andy Murray: 1 Grand Slam, one 250 tournament = 2 titles (1 GS)

The top four have split a major between them. At this stage Federer is slightly ahead of his competition. I don't see Nadal winning anything for the rest of the year, especially on hard courts. Djokovic and Murray especially have good chances of winning plenty of the titles in the lead up to the WTF.

Too early to say. Depends on the WTF really, but I think it will probably be Federer.

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-10-2012, 11:09 PM
Probably Federer, but my personal choice would be Murray because of how much he has accomplished for his country.

tenniswriter
09-10-2012, 11:11 PM
Probably Federer, but my personal choice would be Murray because of how much he has accomplished for his country.

I don't know about accomplishing stuff for his country. I mean, yes he got them the Olympic gold. If a player was a part of a Davis Cup winning team, then yes, I'd say he's accomplished something for his country. Just my opinion though.

NadalAgassi
09-10-2012, 11:13 PM
Right now I would say Djokovic, but really it is impossible to say now as it will probably all come down to the WTF and who ends the year #1. Since I think Federer is still most likely to win the WTF, and even possibly end the year #1 it will probably end up being him, even though it would not be him if the year ended now. Even Murray winning the WTF will likely win it (if he wins the WTF) despite that he wont end the year #1. U.S Open, Olympic, and WTF Champion would be too much for the others to overcome in a year of only 1 slam winners.

Antonio Puente
09-10-2012, 11:15 PM
In the big tournaments, it's probably been Murray. Never thought I would say that.

Murray: 1 slam, 1 gold medal, 1 slam final
Djoker: 1 slam, 2 slam finals
Nadal: 1 slam, 1 slam final
Fed: 1 slam

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-10-2012, 11:16 PM
I don't know about accomplishing stuff for his country. I mean, yes he got them the Olympic gold. If a player was a part of a Davis Cup winning team, then yes, I'd say he's accomplished something for his country. Just my opinion though.

I'm just saying that because Andy is basically the only player the British have got. What he wins is what the British win. You can't say that for somebody like, say, Roddick who has many American contemporaries.

tenniswriter
09-10-2012, 11:18 PM
I'm just saying that because Andy is basically the only player the British have got. What he wins is what the British win. You can't say that for somebody like, say, Roddick who has many American contemporaries.

Fair point

smoledman
09-10-2012, 11:28 PM
Probably Fed if he finishes YE #1 with 7+ titles.

octogon
09-10-2012, 11:44 PM
THE YEAR SO FAR

Roger Federer: 1 Grand Slam, three 1000, two 500 = 6 titles (1 GS)
Rafael Nadal: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000, one 500 = 4 titles (1 GS)
Novak Djokovic: 1 Grand Slam, two 1000 = 3 titles (1 GS)
Andy Murray: 1 Grand Slam, one 250 tournament = 2 titles (1 GS)

The top four have split the majors between them. At this stage Federer is slightly ahead of his competition. I don't see Nadal winning anything for the rest of the year, especially on hard courts.


Fed has the most titles, but Murray is the only one with two truly prestigious titles (Olympics + Grand Slam). I'd sort of lean towards Muzza, because even though the ranking points don't reflect it, the Olympics is a much bigger deal than any event outside the slams. It's almost like winning two slams for Murray.

Feņa14
09-10-2012, 11:57 PM
Tough one.

Murray won a major, got the final of Wimbledon, was a few points away from the Australian final, won the Olympics etc..

I think that just edges it for me.

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-10-2012, 11:59 PM
WTF is the last big one, it will probably decide it.

DolgoSantoro
09-11-2012, 12:26 AM
Andy unless federer wins the wtf and has a solid end to the season

powerangle
09-11-2012, 12:36 AM
It will probably be Roger if he stays with his indoor form.

mistik
09-11-2012, 03:35 AM
Roger only win Wimbledon and he didnt even have 2nd major final.He missed the chance of being the best player this year.

Feather
09-11-2012, 03:37 AM
Roger only win Wimbledon and he didnt even have 2nd major final.He missed the chance of being the best player this year.

Roger Federer has three masters and you conveniently forget that. He has six titles this year

mistik
09-11-2012, 03:40 AM
Roger Federer has three masters and you conveniently forget that. He has six titles this year

Master means nothing.If it means something Rafa would already be the greatest player ever.

merlinpinpin
09-11-2012, 03:42 AM
Andy unless federer wins the wtf and has a solid end to the season

That's what I would say, too.

1) Federer wins WTF and ends up #1 for a record-tying 6th time, then he's the player of the year, no question.

2) Murray wins WTF, then *he* is the player of the year, even if he "only" ends up 3rd in the rankings.

3) Anybody else wins WTF, this will be a close call (although I guess Federer would still edge it should he end up #1, or Djokovic should he end up top dog).

merlinpinpin
09-11-2012, 03:44 AM
Master means nothing.If it means something Rafa would already be the greatest player ever.

Any reason why? :confused: Because he's tied with Federer although some of his are non-mandatory? Is that the "non-mandatory" part that would get him the "greatest player ever" moniker? As in, the smaller tournaments you win, you greater player you are? :shock:

mistik
09-11-2012, 03:49 AM
Any reason why? :confused: Because he's tied with Federer although some of his are non-mandatory? Is that the "non-mandatory" part that would get him the "greatest player ever" moniker? As in, the smaller tournaments you win, you greater player you are? :shock:

Rafa is go on to win more masters tournament then Fed in the end.Thats a fact.

Sim
09-11-2012, 04:30 AM
Andy Murray with OG and USO unless Fed wins the WTF. Even then, it could still be a toss-up imo.

merlinpinpin
09-11-2012, 04:31 AM
Rafa is go on to win more masters tournament then Fed in the end.Thats a fact.

It will only become a fact when Nadal's results make it real. Until then, it's just some fantasy, I'm afraid (and Federer could take the lead, too). ;)

MTF07
09-11-2012, 04:41 AM
Rafa is go on to win more masters tournament then Fed in the end.Thats a fact.

Federer - 17 GS + 21 MS + 6 WTF = 44 big titles

Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 0 WTF = 32 big titles

mistik
09-11-2012, 04:47 AM
Federer - 17 GS + 21 MS + 6 WTF = 44 big titles

Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 0 WTF = 32 big titles

I know the numbers you dont need to remind me.Rafa won 33 big titles.He won the most difficult one Olympics.Roger will never win a Olympic Gold.Thats a fact.( please dont come with stupid doubles gold stuff as well)No one cares about WTF.(not even a best 5 final anymore)

Zarfot Z
09-11-2012, 04:59 AM
I know the numbers you dont need to remind me.Rafa won 33 big titles.He won the most difficult one Olympics.Roger will never win a Olympic Gold.Thats a fact.( please dont come with stupid doubles gold stuff as well)No one cares about WTF.(not even a best 5 final anymore)

Of course not. Why would they, when Nadal hasn't won it?

Only tournaments that Nadal have won are of actual value, no?

5555
09-11-2012, 06:04 AM
As of now Djokovic is the ATP Player of the Year, and I think Novak will stay No. 1 until the end of the season

1. Djokovic 9,910
2. Federer 8,905
3. Nadal 6,840
4. Murray 6,730

Link http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx

Aneto
09-11-2012, 06:44 AM
Federer - 17 GS + 21 MS + 6 WTF = 44 big titles

Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 0 WTF = 32 big titles


Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 1 olympics + 0 WTF = 33 big titles

David Brent
09-11-2012, 07:38 AM
As of now Djokovic is the ATP Player of the Year, and I think Novak will stay No. 1 until the end of the season

1. Djokovic 9,910
2. Federer 8,905
3. Nadal 6,840
4. Murray 6,730

Link http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx

People forget that Federer's best part of the season is coming up, he is 1000 points behind djokovic and that could be made up with 2 tournament wins, if he was to win the WTF and shanghai, paris or even basel, I don't think djokovic can win enough to challenge him. I would say that Tsonga, Murray and Federer are better indoor players than Djokovic and he'd do well to win one title!

cknobman
09-11-2012, 07:39 AM
Federer - 17 GS + 21 MS + 6 WTF = 44 big titles

Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 0 WTF = 32 big titles

Nadal - 11 GS + 21 MS + 1 olympics + 0 WTF = 33 big titles

Federer - 17 GS + 21 MS + 1 olympics + 6 WTF = 45 big titles :wink:

On topic:
Since each grand slam has gone to a different person I would say its going to come down to WTF and YE#1.
If one of the top guys manages to get both of those then he is a lock for player of the year regardless of what the others have done.

sunof tennis
09-11-2012, 07:46 AM
Master means nothing.If it means something Rafa would already be the greatest player ever.

No he wouldn't. He and Fed have the same number of Masters titles. Further, the vast majority of Rafa's were on one surface.

RF20Lennon
09-11-2012, 07:46 AM
Master means nothing.If it means something Rafa would already be the greatest player ever.

How there tied?? WTF is what's going to decide it mate! If fed wins another masters he's player of the year by a longshot

RF20Lennon
09-11-2012, 07:48 AM
BTW fed guaranteed 300 weeks at #1:D

Vcore89
09-11-2012, 07:53 AM
No he wouldn't. He and Fed have the same number of Masters titles. Further, the vast majority of Rafa's were on one surface.
But he lacks 6 WTFs as the sum total of all Masters for the year.:)

norbac
09-11-2012, 07:53 AM
Toss up between Djokovic and Federer so far. Djoko has performed a bit better at the Slams, while Fed has done the same in the 1000/500 category. Murray might make a case if he finishes the year strong.

smoledman
09-11-2012, 08:52 AM
If Federer sweeps the indoor season again, he's POY.

ulrich
09-11-2012, 09:53 AM
I'm just saying that because Andy is basically the only player the British have got. What he wins is what the British win. You can't say that for somebody like, say, Roddick who has many American contemporaries.

And when he loses he is Scottish :-D

Matt H.
09-11-2012, 10:10 AM
honestly, i think it'd be cool if all 4 shared it.

it's been a very interesting and competitive year. The "Big 4" is for real and finally arrived.

All 4 have huge wins and losses against each other. All acheived some big historical success.

Novak had an attempt at holding all 4 and made the semi's of all 4 again. Nadal with the FO record 7th win, Fed with the Wimbledon 7th win and breaking the weeks at #1 record, Murray grabbing gold and getting his first slam.

If I was pressed to trim the list down further, it would be between Federer and Murray though.

mistik
09-11-2012, 10:12 AM
Major wise Fed is the worst player of the year.

tennisMVP
09-11-2012, 10:16 AM
World Tour Finals will decide it. Simple as that.

Matt H.
09-11-2012, 10:17 AM
Major wise Fed is the worst player of the year.


i would think that's Nadal. 2nd round loss and a DNP for his last two.

veroniquem
09-11-2012, 10:18 AM
In slams: Djokovic (1 title + 2 finals). In masters, too early to tell because there are 2 left + WTF but this year has been more even than usual. Winter hard court was Djoko/Fed dominance, red clay was all Rafa, grass was Fed/Murray and summer hard an even split between Djoko, Fed and Murray. I think taking Rafa out of the equation made things more even between the other top 3. Hard to predict the fall results now.

heftylefty
09-11-2012, 10:19 AM
It's between Fed & Murray. Murray need a strong indoor season.

TMF
09-11-2012, 10:20 AM
In the order of deserving the ATP player of the year as of now:

1. Federer
2. Nole
3. Murray
4. Nadal

TMF
09-11-2012, 10:21 AM
It's between Fed & Murray. Murray need a strong indoor season.

Nope. Murray only has 3 titles while Fed has 6.

tennisMVP
09-11-2012, 10:21 AM
No matter who wins Player of the Year, Murray will be the player people remember most from 2012.

tennisMVP
09-11-2012, 10:23 AM
Nope. Murray only has 2 titles while Fed has 6.

Even if Federer wins 8 titles, he won't win Player of the Year if Murray wins the World Tour Finals. So it really is all about the World Tour Finals. Winner takes all. Djokovic will win Player of the Year if he wins the World Tour Finals too (because he's been in THREE slam finals).

veroniquem
09-11-2012, 10:26 AM
It's between Fed & Murray. Murray need a strong indoor season.

He usually has one but as it stands, it's certainly NOT between Fed and Murray. Djokovic has outperformed both in slams and Murray has not won a single master title yet (Djoko has 2, Fed has 3). Murray needs at least 1 master title and WTF to compensate for his inferior results to Djoko in slams. Doable of course but we're not there yet.

veroniquem
09-11-2012, 10:29 AM
Nope. Murray only has 2 titles while Fed has 6. Murray has 3 titles.

mistik
09-11-2012, 10:29 AM
i would think that's Nadal. 2nd round loss and a DNP for his last two.

Nadal 1 win 1 final.Fed one win no other finals.

TMF
09-11-2012, 10:30 AM
Even if Federer wins 8 titles, he won't win Player of the Year if Murray wins the World Tour Finals. So it really is all about the World Tour Finals. Winner takes all. Djokovic will win Player of the Year if he wins the World Tour Finals too (because he's been in THREE slam finals).

I agree whoever wins the WTF will have the best chance to win player of the year, but as of now, Fed is ahead of the other 3 players.

Also, it's possible that none of the top 4 players win the WTF, so the tie breaker should be decided by the total number of titles.

TMF
09-11-2012, 10:31 AM
Murray has 3 titles.

Right, I corrected.

FlashFlare11
09-11-2012, 10:57 AM
Nadal 1 win 1 final.Fed one win no other finals.

I'd like to believe that 2 SFs, 1 QF, and 1 W is better than 1 W, 1 F, 1 2R, and 1 DNP. Just shows more consistency.

smoledman
09-11-2012, 01:40 PM
i would think that's Nadal. 2nd round loss and a DNP for his last two.

Yup.

Ranking them by slams

Djokovic - W,F,SF,F
Murray - SF,QF,F,W
Federer- SF,SF,W,QF
Nadal - F, W, 2R, DNP

yellowoctopus
09-11-2012, 01:56 PM
World Tour Finals will decide it. Simple as that.

Second that.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23266068.jpg

Def
09-11-2012, 02:05 PM
Second that.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23266068.jpg

admit it, you read this in his voice

Surecatch
09-11-2012, 02:08 PM
As it stands now? Federer rather easily just on results alone. He has the one slam that the other three can equal, but his is the most prestigious, if you were forced to place value on them to break the tie. That isn't really necessary because he has more Masters titles than the others, more 500's than the others, and more total titles than the others. And he had the most dramatic change in ranking from season's beginning until now...+2.

So he is clearly the choice over Nole' and Rafa'. Murray has the gold medal which you could argue is more prestigious than a Masters tournament, but it's still no slam, no matter what posters here of Lendl may argue. I think it is enough to put Murray second on the list.

1. Federer
2. Murray
3. Djokovic
4. Nadal

5. David Ferrer.

Agassifan
09-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Master means nothing.If it means something Rafa would already be the greatest player ever.

Masters don't mean much, but they can definitely be used as tie-breakers.

snowwhite
09-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Andy Murray. Because he won a slam and an Olympic gold

vernonbc
09-11-2012, 10:37 PM
No he wouldn't. He and Fed have the same number of Masters titles. Further, the vast majority of Rafa's were on one surface.

LOL You Fed fans. The vast majority of Federer's were on what?

That's right. One surface.

tennisMVP
09-11-2012, 11:00 PM
LOL You Fed fans. The vast majority of Federer's were on what?

That's right. One surface.

Shots fired! Bodies everywhere.....

tennisMVP
09-11-2012, 11:02 PM
As it stands now? Federer rather easily just on results alone. He has the one slam that the other three can equal, but his is the most prestigious,

The problem is, Wimbledon has the weakest field. Less players feel comfortable on grass than clay/hard. Even Djokovic, last year's champ, doesn't feel comfortable on grass (relatively speaking).

Zarfot Z
09-12-2012, 04:39 AM
LOL You Fed fans. The vast majority of Federer's were on what?

That's right. One surface.

This year alone he has won titles on all three surfaces, actually.

What about Rafa?

tennisMVP
09-12-2012, 05:31 AM
This year alone he has won titles on all three surfaces, actually.

What about Rafa?

Rafa won slams on all 3 surfaces in one year.

RF-17-GOAT
09-12-2012, 06:01 AM
WTF decides it.

mistik
09-12-2012, 06:04 AM
This year alone he has won titles on all three surfaces, actually.

What about Rafa?
No he didnt.Blue clay BANNED from the tour for a reason,because it isnt CLAY.:)

RF-17-GOAT
09-12-2012, 06:14 AM
No he didnt.Blue clay BANNED from the tour for a reason,because it isnt CLAY.:)

Clay isn't clay? wait wut?

syc23
09-12-2012, 06:37 AM
Murray is the player of the year - by a long chalk.

The fact the he won a slam to get rid of that burden of no British male slam winner, losing the Wimbledon final and bouncing back to thrash Federer at the Olympics is enough to take it.

Carsomyr
09-12-2012, 06:51 AM
Djokovic has a fairly healthy lead over Federer, but I can't help but wonder how that devastating loss in the final is going to affect him moving forward. Plus, his fall season last year was hardly impressive as he physically and mentally wore down. In addition, he played more matches through the US Open this year than last year. Still, his strongest attribute this year has been his ability to make it deep in tournaments, even if means not winning them. With so few left, this could be huge for his chances at finishing #1.

On the other hand, Federer has proven his ability to bounce back from tough losses and we're entering the most successful part of the season for him for the last few years. I wonder how motivated he is to push for the year end #1? Will he do a Sampras in 1998? I'm excited to see the fall season actually matter once again.

Zarfot Z
09-12-2012, 11:22 PM
No he didnt.Blue clay BANNED from the tour for a reason,because it isnt CLAY.:)

I could see that response coming from a mile away.

Feņa14
09-12-2012, 11:27 PM
He usually has one but as it stands, it's certainly NOT between Fed and Murray. Djokovic has outperformed both in slams and Murray has not won a single master title yet (Djoko has 2, Fed has 3). Murray needs at least 1 master title and WTF to compensate for his inferior results to Djoko in slams. Doable of course but we're not there yet.

I think the WTF will be the one that decides it. As people always say, the big 4 are measured on the biggest tournaments, for me this year, those are the majors, the Olympics and the WTF. Murray is the only one to of won 2 of those so far. If Federer or Djokovic win the WTF's then it will probably be one of those two.

Any different result and i'd have to give it to Murray.

NadalAgassi
09-13-2012, 12:15 AM
I think the WTF will be the one that decides it. As people always say, the big 4 are measured on the biggest tournaments, for me this year, those are the majors, the Olympics and the WTF. Murray is the only one to of won 2 of those so far. If Federer or Djokovic win the WTF's then it will probably be one of those two.

Any different result and i'd have to give it to Murray.

I cant imagine this year anyone but Federer, Murray, or Djokovic winning the YEC which simplifies things further. Here is what I see:

-Murray wins the YEC he wins the ATP and ITF Player of the Year. U.S Open title + Olympic singles gold + WTF makes him a lock in a year of four 1 slam winners.

- Federer wins the YEC but Djokovic ends the year #1 they still might give the ATP and ITF Player of the Year awards to Djokovic since he ended #1 and reached 3 slam finals vs 1 for Federer. They usually only overrule rankings in case of a clear edge. They might also give it to Federer. They might split between them.

-Djokovic wins the YEC he almost certainly ends the year #1 and he easily wins the ATP and ITF Player of the Year.

-Federer wins the YEC and ends the year #1 he wins the ATP and ITF Player of the Year.

The only scenario I see the YEC winner not winning it is if it is Federer but Djokovic ends the year #1, and even then he might, but it could go either way then.

Feņa14
09-13-2012, 12:45 AM
The only scenario I see the YEC winner not winning it is if it is Federer but Djokovic ends the year #1, and even then he might, but it could go either way then.

Is it possible for Murray end the year as number 1?

He always does well indoors, there are a couple of Masters and the WTF's where he doesn't have any points to defend.

It's probably highly unlikely, would be interesting to know if it's at all mathematically possible though. I think it would certainly add an extra bit of spice to the next few months at least.

batz
09-13-2012, 01:00 AM
Is it possible for Murray end the year as number 1?
He always does well indoors, there are a couple of Masters and the WTF's where he doesn't have any points to defend.

It's probably highly unlikely, would be interesting to know if it's at all mathematically possible though. I think it would certainly add an extra bit of spice to the next few months at least.

Possible but highly improbable. He is > 3000 points behind Novak in the race. Murray would probably need to sweep Tokyo, Shanghai, Paris and the WTF to have any chance - and even then, if Nole made a couple of finals it probably wouldn't be enough.

Feņa14
09-13-2012, 01:07 AM
Possible but highly improbable. He is > 3000 points behind Novak in the race. Murray would probably need to sweep Tokyo, Shanghai, Paris and the WTF to have any chance - and even then, if Nole was made a couple of finals it probably wouldn't be enough.

No problem, always good to have something to aim for next year! ;)

dr325i
09-13-2012, 01:20 AM
Roger Federer has three masters and you conveniently forget that. He has six titles this year

Agree. Masters is still worth more than the overrated olympics...
However, unless clear (2011), the voting for the ATP Player of the year was always biased...

dr325i
09-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Murray is the player of the year - by a long chalk.

The fact the he won a slam to get rid of that burden of no British male slam winner, losing the Wimbledon final and bouncing back to thrash Federer at the Olympics is enough to take it.

Only if you're a Brit.
For the rest of us...not yet.

Love him, however, he has so much more to prove...and lets see if he can win the next two coming slams -- I doubt it.

nhat8121
09-13-2012, 01:39 AM
In the big tournaments, it's probably been Murray. Never thought I would say that.

Murray: 1 slam, 1 gold medal, 1 slam final
Djoker: 1 slam, 2 slam finals
Nadal: 1 slam, 1 slam final
Fed: 1 slam

this is pretty good. plus fed with #1 rank take over and a bunch of other titles. should be close between murray and federer. the year end tournaments will decide...

Leelord337
09-13-2012, 01:43 AM
It all depends on who wins the tennis masters cup, if murray takes it than murray deserves the honor, if fed does, well fed

Dreamcastin
09-13-2012, 01:55 AM
murray is 2000 points behind fed who is 1000 points behind djoker for the year. wouldnt fed and djoker have to practically tank and murray clean up for him to even have a chance. whats with all the votes for murray and none for djoker? am I missing something?

batz
09-13-2012, 02:02 AM
Agree. Masters is still worth more than the overrated olympics...
However, unless clear (2011), the voting for the ATP Player of the year was always biased...

Of course they are. Players are always taking their Masters Series trophies to the next event they play, where people get their picture taken with those trophies. Players are always crying after making masters finals. Not like the Olympics, I mean - who cares about them?

I'm loving how masters series now take on great importance. Before this season, Murray is the only guy over the last 4 years to have won multiple hardcourt masters every year - but apparentrly that didn't mean Jack at the time. Now Roger has won 3, theey are a key input to the POTY debate. Spooky that.

Zarfot Z
09-14-2012, 12:18 AM
Bump
10chars

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 02:28 AM
One thing is for sure, Federer won't have it as easy this time during indoor season. Djokovic hasn't collapsed physically. Murray is better than ever. 2011 was a joke level.

batz
09-14-2012, 03:37 AM
WTF will decide it. If either Nole, Roger or Murray wins it then they are POTY.

I would love him to return and win the WTF - but even if he did, I don't think Rafa is in the running for POTY.

Big_Dangerous
09-14-2012, 03:57 AM
LOL You Fed fans. The vast majority of Federer's were on what?

That's right. One surface.

I didn't see Murray or Djokovic winning titles on other surfaces this year...

batz
09-14-2012, 05:10 AM
I didn't see Murray or Djokovic winning titles on other surfaces this year...

Murray won on hard and grass.

dr325i
09-14-2012, 05:35 AM
Murray won on hard and grass.

Just like the God did ;)

Sartorius
09-14-2012, 05:35 AM
People talking about titles, but this award almost always goes to the No.1 player, does it not? So it's like asking who'll get the YE#1.

I think it remains to be seen whether Federer will have the same incentive to go on a strong run as he did last year (and before that). He got what he wanted.

I almost hope for a good Djokovic showing this time, even though I don't really support him. He certainly has the reasons to do so.

Murray usually plays okay but he too has to be feeling confident to play even better now.


P.S. It's delightful to watch *** in action again. :)

batz
09-14-2012, 06:14 AM
Just like the God did ;)

Indeed mate - I didn't say otherwise.

Russeljones
09-14-2012, 06:15 AM
This has probably been said before but if Murray wins the WTF he's a dead cert' for it isn't he?

batz
09-14-2012, 06:26 AM
This has probably been said before but if Murray wins the WTF he's a dead cert' for it isn't he?

I think winning WTF probably makes any of the top 3 a dead cert mate:

Nole would have 1 slam, + 2 finals + WTF

Roger would have 1 slam, + OS+ a bunch of masters series +WTF

Murray would have 1 slam, + 1 final +OG + WTF

Russeljones
09-14-2012, 07:08 AM
I think winning WTF probably makes any of the top 3 a dead cert mate:

Nole would have 1 slam, + 2 finals + WTF

Roger would have 1 slam, + OS+ a bunch of masters series +WTF

Murray would have 1 slam, + 1 final +OG + WTF

I was thinking the OG already gives him an edge.

boredone3456
09-14-2012, 07:56 AM
If fed wins the WTF Then him. But Novaks 3 slam finals with 1 victory is hard to overcome. Murray won the Olympics and US Open but his slump on clay will count against him.
Nadal is out of the picture due to injury.

Two way race Between Novak and Fed unless Murray wins the WTF...Then maybe he can sneak it out.

TMF
09-14-2012, 09:10 AM
In 2008, there were 4 different slam winners in the WTA(Maria, Ivanovic, Serena, Venus). However, none of them won the year end championship and none of them ended the year #1. Serena end up winning the player of the year award, but it could have easily be Ivanovic since she also made another slam final.

If none of the top 4 wins the WTF, i don't know how they are going to decide which player will be the player of the year. I suspect they will go by who end the year #1, and that will be between Federer and Nole.

NadalAgassi
09-14-2012, 02:55 PM
If none of the top 4 wins the WTF

Pretty safe that wont be happening amongst the current ATP. Maybe Del Potro would have a tiny shot I guess.

The-Champ
09-14-2012, 03:50 PM
It's amazing. This will be the first time in many years that the no.1 player at the end of the year has only won one major during the season. It used to be that the no. 1 player had to at least win 2 majors and a bunch of masters to seal the no.1 ranking.

-RF-
09-14-2012, 03:52 PM
The King ofc

NadalAgassi
09-14-2012, 04:26 PM
WTF will decide it. If either Nole, Roger or Murray wins it then they are POTY.

I would love him to return and win the WTF - but even if he did, I don't think Rafa is in the running for POTY.

I think if Murray wins YEC definite Player of Year (even without year end #1 which he almost certainly wont get)

If Federer or Djokovic wins YEC and end the year #1 they are definitely Player of the Year. However if Djokovic wins it and doesnt end the year #1 he will still probably get it. However if Federer wins it and Djokovic ends the year #1 I predict they will give it to Djokovic over Federer still.

Nadal will not win Player of the Year even by winning the YEC I agree.

Ms Nadal
09-15-2012, 12:38 PM
I think Murray is the winner here. Winning his first slam! :)

Ms Nadal
09-15-2012, 12:39 PM
I think if Murray wins YEC definite Player of Year (even without year end #1 which he almost certainly wont get)

If Federer or Djokovic wins YEC and end the year #1 they are definitely Player of the Year. However if Djokovic wins it and doesnt end the year #1 he will still probably get it. However if Federer wins it and Djokovic ends the year #1 I predict they will give it to Djokovic over Federer still.

Nadal will not win Player of the Year even by winning the YEC I agree.

Rafa won't be at the YEC. He has retired, so blatant.

kaku
09-15-2012, 03:14 PM
Only 3 votes for Novak?

Zarfot Z
09-30-2012, 06:10 PM
Only 3 votes for Novak?

What do you expect? This is TW.

ruerooo
09-30-2012, 06:23 PM
What do you expect? This is TW.

Well, he did "only" win one Slam, and it didn't come with historic cachet (like Rafa's and MAndy's) or with a taking back of the #1 ranking attached.

However, if he takes the ranking back during this part of the season I'm sure that'll make a difference too.

dangalak
09-30-2012, 07:41 PM
In the big tournaments, it's probably been Murray. Never thought I would say that.

Murray: 1 slam, 1 gold medal, 1 slam final
Djoker: 1 slam, 2 slam finals
Nadal: 1 slam, 1 slam final
Fed: 1 slam

I guess the small tournaments are just warmups. :lol:

he was abismal in the first part of the year. The gold medal is good, but Federer won a silver medal also and won many more tournaments outside of the slams. (and the fields weren't exactly mickey mouse)

RF20Lennon
09-30-2012, 07:42 PM
I guess the small tournaments are just warmups. :lol:

he was abismal in the first part of the year. The gold medal is good, but Federer won a silver medal also and won many more tournaments outside of the slams. (and the fields weren't exactly mickey mouse)

I second this!! :)

Mainad
09-30-2012, 11:11 PM
he was abismal in the first part of the year. The gold medal is good, but Federer won a silver medal also and won many more tournaments outside of the slams. (and the fields weren't exactly mickey mouse)

Well, he won a title in Brisbane, made the semis of the AO, the finals of Dubai, Miami and Wimbledon and won the Olympic gold medal so I hardly think that adds up to being 'abysmal' in the first half of the year!

But I agree with your case for Federer too.

sdont
10-01-2012, 02:05 AM
BTW fed guaranteed 300 weeks at #1:D

Hmmm... no.

cknobman
10-01-2012, 07:07 AM
Currently I'll give the nod to Murray for a Grand Slam and the gold medal.

If Djokovic catches fire and cleans up the latter half of this year regaining the #1 ranking he gets it.

If Federer holds on to #1 ranking and wins WTF then he gets it.