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Sabratha
09-11-2012, 07:34 AM
Murray has been a consistent top five player since 2008, having made four major finals. He's finally broken through and beaten Djokovic (former #1 and current #2) for his first grand slam. Could Murray become #1? Could he be hitting his prime and is this only the start of something great?

Vcore89
09-11-2012, 07:39 AM
...or he's already hit prime 3-4 years running now? It is only a matter of holding his peak. How long he can hold his peak (for how long) will determine the total number of slams he collects. My two pence.

heftylefty
09-11-2012, 07:40 AM
Congrats to Murray and to Great Britian! This was a long time coming!

Sabratha
09-20-2012, 10:24 PM
...or he's already hit prime 3-4 years running now? It is only a matter of holding his peak. How long he can hold his peak (for how long) will determine the total number of slams he collects. My two pence.
I don't think winning one slam is the pinnacle of his career.

Vcore89
09-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Probably he'll win more and I hope so but the fact is, he is holding his peak for a couple of years now. How long can he hold before showing signs of diminishing returns?

darkniz
09-20-2012, 10:43 PM
I always think Murray is hitting his peak when he plays so well... and then the next week he plays completely rubbish and loses to anyone. His main problem is consistency. He is at his peak. He just needs to be consistent.

shermanator12290
09-20-2012, 11:30 PM
the british are coming

darkniz
09-20-2012, 11:31 PM
the british are coming

To invade? Not again :(

Orion3
09-20-2012, 11:33 PM
:-?To invade? Not again :(

lmao!

10 char

WhiskeyEE
09-21-2012, 12:06 AM
Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.

batz
09-21-2012, 12:15 AM
Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.

Of course he was lucky - there's no other explanation for it. He's been lucky to beat Roger 9 times as well, and those 23 other titles, well - we all know how he got those - luck.

Yep - that Murray sure is a lucky guy. Look at the muppets he's played in slam finals for starters.

Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.

Feņa14
09-21-2012, 12:19 AM
Yeah, the wind was the reason he won the US Open...

His game came out on top after being tested under some of the harshest conditions, if anything it made the win even more impressive.

WhiskeyEE
09-21-2012, 01:56 AM
Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. [B]Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.

Of course he was lucky - there's no other explanation for it. He's been lucky to beat Roger 9 times as well, and those 23 other titles, well - we all know how he got those - luck.

Yep - that Murray sure is a lucky guy. Look at the muppets he's played in slam finals for starters.

Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.

Indeed Murray is very lucky. At the OG, he was lucky that Fed had such a long and difficult SF against Del Potro and was completely drained for the final. A lucky chap, this Murray is.

btw, do me a favour and put me back on ignore. Not sure why you took me off.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 02:00 AM
Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.

When Murray had won the first two sets 6-2 and 6-1, I thought Murray had a great chance at breaking (or equalling) Nadal's record of beating Federer in a best of 5 match with the loss of only 4 games. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be, but it sets the tone for Wimbledon 2013 quite nicely.

Clive Walker
09-21-2012, 02:07 AM
So was Federer lucky in this years Wimbledon final that there was a rain delay and the roof was closed?

There are some idiotic comments posted regarding player match ups.

Conditions are simply part of the game- it's how you cope.

WhiskeyEE
09-21-2012, 02:13 AM
So was Federer lucky in this years Wimbledon final that there was a rain delay and the roof was closed?

There are some idiotic comments posted regarding player match ups.

Conditions are simply part of the game- it's how you cope.

No, he was lucky that Murray's a choke artist, which would've happened with or without the delay/roof.

Clive Walker
09-21-2012, 02:18 AM
No, he was lucky that Murray's a choke artist, which would've happened with or without the delay/roof.

Exactly!!

So does that major not count? as Murray choked?

There cannot be a "Oh he only won that because of...." response for every match.

Rhino
09-21-2012, 02:23 AM
When Murray had won the first two sets 6-2 and 6-1, I thought Murray had a great chance at breaking (or equalling) Nadal's record of being Federer in a best of 5 match with the loss of only 4 games. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be, but it sets the tone for Wimbledon 2013 quite nicely.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/250268_435357416500482_112806044_n.jpg

batz
09-21-2012, 03:08 AM
No, he was lucky that Murray's a choke artist, which would've happened with or without the delay/roof.

So Federer is lucky too eh. That's 3 of his slams that should have an asterisk next to them - any others?

You sure think tennis pros have a lot of luck dontcha

batz
09-21-2012, 03:09 AM
Indeed Murray is very lucky. At the OG, he was lucky that Fed had such a long and difficult SF against Del Potro and was completely drained for the final. A lucky chap, this Murray is.

btw, do me a favour and put me back on ignore. Not sure why you took me off.

I like reading your infantile, peurile posts and challenging them.

Paul Murphy
09-21-2012, 05:14 AM
As for the question posed, I hope Murray is hitting his prime.
If Rafa returns fit and rested then we may be in for some glorious battles among the top four.

UKTennis
09-21-2012, 05:22 AM
I'd agree with those saying Murray is in his prime at the moment. Although he's had the talent for the past few years, he has finally mentally matured enough to win Slams. Unfortunately for him he this has happened relatively late, so may not be able to dominate the sport like Nadal or Djokovic have done recently. Had he lost the US Open final, I'm sure everybody would be claiming he would never win a Slam because he's past his peak, getting too old etc. Yet now he can apparently win 6 or 7 Slams! Personally I feel Murray will end his career with 3 Grand Slams.

Sim
09-21-2012, 05:31 AM
I thought that he was already in his prime. He had so many wins over the top players already, just not on the big stage. He just needed a little outside help (Lendl as coach for example).

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 08:03 AM
I'd agree with those saying Murray is in his prime at the moment. Although he's had the talent for the past few years, he has finally mentally matured enough to win Slams. Unfortunately for him he this has happened relatively late, so may not be able to dominate the sport like Nadal or Djokovic have done recently. Had he lost the US Open final, I'm sure everybody would be claiming he would never win a Slam because he's past his peak, getting too old etc. Yet now he can apparently win 6 or 7 Slams! Personally I feel Murray will end his career with 3 Grand Slams.

This. I think he can go up to 4 or 5 Slams, though. But probably no more than that.

Russeljones
09-21-2012, 08:10 AM
I don't think 'prime' is some sort of plateau limiting the player from improving before the inevitable 'decline'.

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 08:16 AM
I don't think 'prime' is some sort of plateau limiting the player from improving before the inevitable 'decline'.

I think the 'physical prime' is a plateau (more a hill with a low slope culminating in a peak, IMO). But you can be at your best even past your physical prime if you reinvent your game enough and hit form, like Roddick did in W09.

tacou
09-21-2012, 08:36 AM
depends what you consider "prime." his level has increased as a result of confidence and smarter tactics, but his game hasn't actually changed all that much outside of a slowly improving serve.

RF20Lennon
09-21-2012, 08:39 AM
depends what you consider "prime." his level has increased as a result of confidence and smarter tactics, but his game hasn't actually changed all that much outside of a slowly improving serve.

his game is fine he just needed the confidence and the mental strength

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 09:27 AM
Mate - I'm not the one going round saying Andy Murray and Roger Federer were lucky to win slams. Just saying.

Spot-on. It really annoys me when people say Nadal was lucky to win slams. :mad:

Rock Strongo
09-21-2012, 09:49 AM
And yet you probably get banned more than the members you report.

I think this is the time to remember Rafael Nadal's excellent computer record. Not once has he ever been banned from any forum, Twitter or Facebook page, maintaining a clean history free of porn and searches for performance enhancing drugs, all while editing his Wikipedia page to really highlight his 7 wins on the red clay of Roland Garros, putting him ahead of Borg for overall titles and having an unrivaled .980 winning percentage at the French Open, the highest of any multiple slam winner, even the so-called "GOAT" Roger Federer.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2320/2575019318_802df34ba1.jpg

Tony48
09-21-2012, 10:22 AM
Murray entered his prime last year after making the semis or better at all 4 slams. He was always capable of winning a slam (considering that he has beaten Djokovic, Nadal and Federer plenty of times). It was just about putting it all together for a slam run. But he's been the most inconsistent of the top 4 so he could easily be in his prime and lose before the QF in a slam.

90's Clay
09-21-2012, 12:34 PM
Hes been in his prime for a while.. Now its just there isn't a big 3 as there was before to stop him to the same degree

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 12:51 PM
Hes been in his prime for a while.. Now its just there isn't a big 3 as there was before to stop him to the same degree

There was no Rafael Nadal, so that's mostly correct. And Rafael Nadal is 6-2 in slams against Murray, so had he faced Murray at Wimbledon 2012, Murray may not have had the confidence to win the Olympic singles gold medal (for which Nadal was not present), or the US Open (for which Nadal was not present). So I see Murray's run as a 2009 Federer run.

Maybe Murray can start beating Nadal at slams due to his confidence. (In some ways I hope he gets one more win in his career, since Djokovic was the only one showing balls vs Nadal in slams, until Roland Garros 2012, where Nadal won a record-breaking 7th slam title, to become the only king of a slam in Open Era history.)

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 12:52 PM
Thanks for cleaning up the thread as per my reports, mods! :D

diredesire
09-21-2012, 12:53 PM
calm down everyone... read the rules :twisted:

diredesire
09-21-2012, 12:54 PM
Thanks for cleaning up the thread as per my reports, mods! :D

Did you see my e-mail? If not, I'd check the e-mail you registered under...

jones101
09-21-2012, 12:57 PM
I still think Murray can improve a ton, and think he will probably play his best in a year or two.

90's Clay
09-21-2012, 01:42 PM
There was no Rafael Nadal, so that's mostly correct. And Rafael Nadal is 6-2 in slams against Murray, so had he faced Murray at Wimbledon 2012, Murray may not have had the confidence to win the Olympic singles gold medal (for which Nadal was not present), or the US Open (for which Nadal was not present). So I see Murray's run as a 2009 Federer run.

Maybe Murray can start beating Nadal at slams due to his confidence. (In some ways I hope he gets one more win in his career, since Djokovic was the only one showing balls vs Nadal in slams, until Roland Garros 2012, where Nadal won a record-breaking 7th slam title, to become the only king of a slam in Open Era history.)



Murray will only manage to beat Nadal IMO at the slams if Nadal is not 100 percent and ready to go.. If Nadal isn't ready , I guess I will give MUrray the advantage. Once Nadal returns to top form, I give Nadal the clear advantage everywheres

I dont think Murray's level has upped at all. He won the USO because there was only a one man roadblock in his way to the title this year.. Not a 2 or 3 man roadblock. No way would Murray have gotten by 2 of the top 3 guys IMO.. Hell he barely got by Cilic and blew a 2 set lead to a cramped up Nole. ROFLMAO!!

Mainad
09-21-2012, 02:04 PM
Murray will only manage to beat Nadal IMO at the slams if Nadal is not 100 percent and ready to go.. If Nadal isn't ready , I guess I will give MUrray the advantage. Once Nadal returns to top form, I give Nadal the clear advantage everywheres

Here we go again. Nadal can only ever lose when he's tired or injured! :rolleyes:


I dont think Murray's level has upped at all. He won the USO because there was only a one man roadblock in his way to the title this year.. Not a 2 or 3 man roadblock. No way would Murray have gotten by 2 of the top 3 guys IMO.. Hell he barely got by Cilic and blew a 2 set lead to a cramped up Nole. ROFLMAO!!

But he beat the guy who beat Federer...so that's the next best thing. And Nole only started cramping in the last game of the 5th set when he was 2-5 down and called for the MTO. But your right about one thing, Murray didn't play his best tennis but still managed to win the tournament! So I guess everyone had better watch out when he DOES get round to playing his best tennis ROFLMAO!!

Fedex
09-21-2012, 03:13 PM
Murray didn't play his best tennis but still managed to win the tournament! So I guess everyone had better watch out when he DOES get round to playing his best tennis ROFLMAO!!

And the funny thing is you're correct, Murray didn't play his best tennis at USO.
Murray's form at the Olympics was considerably better so yes, look out if he does up the level for future slams.

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 04:41 PM
Yeah, Murray was looking terrible until the semifinal. He was sort of on-par since.

Sabratha
09-21-2012, 05:35 PM
Yeah, Murray was looking terrible until the semifinal. He was sort of on-par since.
Why did he take apart Raonic then?

veroniquem
09-21-2012, 07:57 PM
Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!

Rock Strongo
09-21-2012, 11:45 PM
calm down everyone... read the rules :twisted:

This game's winner is... King DD... D!

Sabratha
09-22-2012, 12:03 AM
Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!
And what's to say Murray isn't like Muster?

Chillaxer
09-22-2012, 06:05 AM
Congrats to Murray and to Great Britian! This was a long time coming!

See, this gets me. Why Great Britain? Tennis is supposed to be an individuals game, that's why people supporting a nation annoys me.

Hawkeye7
09-22-2012, 05:26 PM
Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!

Every player is different. Murray is certainly not one to do things the conventional way.

Russeljones
09-22-2012, 10:25 PM
See, this gets me. Why Great Britain? Tennis is supposed to be an individuals game, that's why people supporting a nation annoys me.

Even when that nation invented the sport?

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Why did he take apart Raonic then?

One exception doesn't prove the rule.

batz
09-22-2012, 11:07 PM
One exception doesn't prove the rule.

He took Dodig to pieces as well - what do 2 exceptions prove? Also, surely Murray's 'par' is to lose in the final - so how can he be 'on par' since the semis?

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-23-2012, 02:56 AM
I hope Murray has reached his prime, so he can meet Nadal at AO 2013, so Nadal can lead the hard-court slam H2H 3-2 (and 2-1 at the Australian Open). That would give Nadal a 7-2 lead in slams.

Mainad
09-23-2012, 04:48 AM
Delete post.

Sabratha
10-31-2012, 11:56 AM
It's going to come down to his performace at the WTF to see if he's truly hit his prime. Wins over Djokovic and Federer at WTF would really say something.

cork_screw
10-31-2012, 12:09 PM
If you mean "prime" like now the tournies are opening up where Nadal doesn't play for a few months out of the year and misses a lot of big tournies and djokovic now gets knocked out, well then yes. Murray is one lucky *******. If fed had this when he was young, he would have dominated more than now.