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jones101
09-11-2012, 10:27 AM
Which current players is the best never to win a slam.

I'm only referring to players who theoreticly have a chance to win one.


Im gonna say Davydenko (flame away)!

Mustard
09-11-2012, 10:30 AM
In the open era, in no particular order:

Tom Okker
Raul Ramirez
Henri Leconte
Miloslav Mecir
Todd Martin
Cedric Pioline
Marcelo Rios
David Nalbandian
Nikolay Davydenko

jones101
09-11-2012, 10:34 AM
In the open era, in no particular order:

Tom Okker
Raul Ramirez
Henri Leconte
Miloslav Mecir
Todd Martin
Cedric Pioline
Marcelo Rios
David Nalbandian
Nikolay Davydenko

Your knowlegde is vast and impressive and all are candidates (though I don't know the first two).

But I should have been more specific and meant current players who could still win a slam.

Sentinel
09-11-2012, 10:34 AM
Mustard,

^ Where does Tsonga rank wrt to the above. He reached a final, ND never did although ND was higher ranked (#4) than JWT.

What exactly are your criteria? Highest rank, or semi appearances ? Masters won ?

ChipNCharge
09-11-2012, 10:35 AM
Ferrer, Berdych, or Tsonga?

MurrayMyInspiration
09-11-2012, 10:35 AM
Davydenko is up there.

kishnabe
09-11-2012, 10:35 AM
In the open era, in no particular order:

Tom Okker
Raul Ramirez
Henri Leconte
Miloslav Mecir
Todd Martin
Cedric Pioline
Marcelo Rios
David Nalbandian
Nikolay Davydenko

Raul Ramirez has a US Open.

I wuld say Nalbandian. Tom Okker has a geart forehand...similiar to how Federer hits it....but he was mentally weak.

rainingaces
09-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Out of them Berdych by quite some distance. I can't believe im the only one who voted for him thus far. What the hell has davy done in a slam that makes him better then the rest?

tank_job
09-11-2012, 10:46 AM
Soderling is the only one who has made two slam finals out of the current bunch.

Otherwise, in order of talent: Nalbandian=Haas, Davydenko=Tsonga, Berdych, Gasquet, Ferrer, Fish.

Mustard
09-11-2012, 10:49 AM
Mustard,

^ Where does Tsonga rank wrt to the above. He reached a final, ND never did although ND was higher ranked (#4) than JWT.

Tsonga isn't far from them. Same with Ferrer, Haas and Berdych.

Raul Ramirez has a US Open.

I wuld say Nalbandian. Tom Okker has a geart forehand...similiar to how Federer hits it....but he was mentally weak.

Ramirez never won a major in singles. He was a semi final loser at the French Open in 1976 and 1977 (losing to Solomon and Vilas), a semi final loser at Wimbledon in 1976 (losing to Nastase), and a quarter final loser at the US Open in 1978 (losing to Borg). Ramirez never played at the Australian Open.

Ramirez did win the Rome title in 1975 and the Monte Carlo title in 1978.

Mustard
09-11-2012, 10:51 AM
Soderling is the only one who has made two slam finals out of the current bunch.

Otherwise, in order of talent: Nalbandian=Haas, Davydenko=Tsonga, Berdych, Gasquet, Ferrer, Fish.

Soderling perhaps. He squeezed a lot into the 2009 French Open - 2011 Bastad period of his career, compared to his career before that.

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-11-2012, 10:52 AM
I'll go with Davydenko. He stayed in the top 10 for a long time and he has the next best thing after a slam, the WTF.

Alchemy-Z
09-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Berdy- he has been the giant killer a few times at slams now.

kishnabe
09-11-2012, 10:57 AM
Tsonga isn't far from them. Same with Ferrer, Haas and Berdych.



Ramirez never won a major in singles. He was a semi final loser at the French Open in 1976 and 1977 (losing to Solomon and Vilas), a semi final loser at Wimbledon in 1976 (losing to Nastase), and a quarter final loser at the US Open in 1978 (losing to Borg). Ramirez never played at the Australian Open.

Ramirez did win the Rome title in 1975 and the Monte Carlo title in 1978.

I got him confused for another Meixican player Rafael Osuna who won the 1963 US Open.

ManFed
09-11-2012, 10:57 AM
Tsonga isn't far from them. Same with Ferrer, Haas and Berdych.



Ramirez never won a major in singles. He was a semi final loser at the French Open in 1976 and 1977 (losing to Solomon and Vilas), a semi final loser at Wimbledon in 1976 (losing to Nastase), and a quarter final loser at the US Open in 1978 (losing to Borg). Ramirez never played at the Australian Open.

Ramirez did win the Rome title in 1975 and the Monte Carlo title in 1978.

He might be a little confused. The mexican tennis player that won US Open was Rafael Osuna in 1963 against Frank Froehling. He died in an airplane crash in 1969, he was just 30 years old.

Mustard
09-11-2012, 11:00 AM
I got him confused for another Meixican player Rafael Osuna who won the 1963 US Open.

Ah, I see :)

An interesting debate is who is the best Mexican player in history? Is it Rafael Osuna or Raul Ramirez?

Homeboy Hotel
09-11-2012, 11:04 AM
In the order you presented in this poll..

Nalbandian
Tsonga
Ferrer
Soderling / Berdych
Davydenko
Haas
Gasquet
Fish

kingduo
09-11-2012, 11:10 AM
Ferrer and Rios.

NadalAgassi
09-11-2012, 11:14 AM
As overrated as he is on this forum Nalbandian is the correct answer here. He is the only one on this list I would definitively say should have won a major at some point.

Davydenko would be my next choice. I find his game is better than Kafelnikov who won 2 majors, yet he doesnt even have one (granted Kafelnikov way overachieved to win 2).

Haas would be my 3rd choice.

Those others are not grand slam winning caliber players anyway. Even if Soderling did have a couple great RG runs, he was badly outclassed in the finals both times.

norbac
09-11-2012, 11:16 AM
Fish should be in the "best player to never reach a GS SF" discussion, rather than this one.

DRII
09-11-2012, 11:17 AM
I'm glad you included the 'poor man's' Federer on the list...

tacou
09-11-2012, 11:20 AM
Tsonga and Berdych are the only current non-slam winners with chances to win one before retirement

tacou
09-11-2012, 11:20 AM
I'm glad you included the 'poor man's' Federer on the list...

he's actually a slam winner already so maybe shouldn't be on this list!

Lefty5
09-11-2012, 11:27 AM
James Blake!

Fusker
09-11-2012, 11:39 AM
I'm going to go with Berdych on this one. I think Ferrer is clearly the #4 player in the world, but I just can't see him winning a SF and Final in a major to get there. The guy plays with so much moxie, but I think he's max'ed out what he can do, and that's not enough to get there. So while his accomplishments and resume are the best on the list in my opinion, I think he doesn't have as much of a chance as either Berdych or Tsonga. I think both guys have grand slam level talent and abilities, but not the consistency yet. I could see either getting hot enough though for two weeks to win one.

Tsonga was actually my choice for a surprise US Open finalist. Obviously missed the boat on that one...

I do think Berdych will win a slam, and I do think Tsonga will get one. I don't see anybody else on the list I believe will win one.

NadalAgassi
09-11-2012, 11:41 AM
Berdych hasnt beaten Nadal on any surface since 2006, and his only ever win over Djokovic was a badly slumping Djokovic on grass in 2010. His winning a slam would be a miracle. Tsonga has more chance since he can beat any of the top 4.

MasturB
09-11-2012, 11:45 AM
IMO, Tsonga has to win Wimbledon or Roland Garros to make a statement.

The AO and USO have been the slams of the surprise finalists and winners.

Tsonga being French means he has to break through on his homecourt like Murray needs to at Wimby, and the fact that his game suits grass means he needs to win Wimby as well.

If Berdych or Tsonga win AO or USO, it won't mean much for their careers TBH. It will be like Gaudio winning RG 2004. A random grand slam win for the history books.

Put it this way, I think any player would rather have 1 Wimby win than 2-3 AO's/USO's.

papertank
09-11-2012, 11:46 AM
1. Nalbandian
2. Davydenko
3. Berdych/Tsonga/Ferrer

Stinkdyr
09-11-2012, 11:58 AM
Berdy, Tsonga, Raonic

kiki
09-11-2012, 01:11 PM
Ah, I see :)

An interesting debate is who is the best Mexican player in history? Is it Rafael Osuna or Raul Ramirez?

What is certain, is that both outstood alos in doubles.Ralston/osuna and, specially, Gottfried/Ramirez were two great doubles pairs.

jones101
09-11-2012, 01:14 PM
Ok, so far it seems to be Nalbandian/Davydenko as front runners, which I agree with.

Davydenko still has one of the best finals records on tour, and his consistency was second to Fedal in his prime.

ctromano
09-11-2012, 01:18 PM
Berdy is the next guy with enough game to win a slam (wimbledon), I think he's over the Federer hurdle and therefore really close to the other 3, he just needs "luck" and perhaps a better backhand approach shot & less flamboyant volleys, stick with the forehand movement volley that is clean and simple.

JMR
09-11-2012, 01:20 PM
Ramirez never won a major in singles. He was a semi final loser at the French Open in 1976 and 1977 (losing to Solomon and Vilas), a semi final loser at Wimbledon in 1976 (losing to Nastase), and a quarter final loser at the US Open in 1978 (losing to Borg). Ramirez never played at the Australian Open.

Ramirez did win the Rome title in 1975 and the Monte Carlo title in 1978.

Raúl Ramírez is actually one of the answers to another, even more esoteric question: Who are the best players of the open era never to have reached a slam final? Others are Davydenko, Haas, Henman, Clerc, and Ferrer.

kiki
09-11-2012, 01:28 PM
Raúl Ramírez is actually one of the answers to another, even more esoteric question: Who are the best players of the open era never to have reached a slam final? Others are Davydenko, Haas, Henman, Clerc, and Ferrer.

Bob Lutz.No doubt about it.

Federer20042006
09-11-2012, 01:28 PM
Nalbandian by a lot.

Surecatch
09-11-2012, 01:29 PM
Right now, I'd say Berdych because of his upside. Ferrer has had a better year, but I don't see him sustaining it in coming years.

tank_job
09-11-2012, 01:35 PM
Berdych is utterly one dimensional. Bash, bash bash.

At least Tsonga is bash, bash, occasional crazy volley.