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Marius_Hancu
09-11-2012, 02:51 PM
Does Lendl hit balls with Murray?

Has any of you seen him doing that, during training, etc?

Or he just plays the expert observer and adviser?

How "hands on" his approach is?

Just curious.

The Bawss
09-11-2012, 02:56 PM
Lendl can't even handle inferior-to-5.0 groundstrokes from McEnroe on the pensioner's tour, how is he supposed to keep up with Murray in GS-winning form?

So my answer is: I highly doubt it.

JTJet
09-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Is everyone serious in here? Or am I just lacking detection of sarcasm?...

krz
09-11-2012, 04:06 PM
Is everyone serious in here? Or am I just lacking detection of sarcasm?...

the former :twisted:

MSK
09-11-2012, 04:07 PM
the former :twisted:

**** off murrayz the man

NadalDramaQueen
09-11-2012, 04:14 PM
I think the real question is does Lendl hit balls at Murray.

Torres
09-11-2012, 04:20 PM
Your really mad that he won arent you?? :twisted:

More like bitter and jealous. He's a notorious troll on these boards.

RF20Lennon
09-11-2012, 04:22 PM
More like bitter and jealous. He's a notorious troll on these boards.

LOL then i better tell the people at my club that 3.0's can handle Murray they might want to get ready for the Aussie next year!

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Lendl can't even handle inferior-to-5.0 groundstrokes from McEnroe on the pensioner's tour, how is he supposed to keep up with Murray in GS-winning form?

So my answer is: I highly doubt it.
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

tistrapukcipeht
09-11-2012, 04:33 PM
I have not seen any footage of andy Murray training with Lendl as his hitting partner, Lendl may be able to just warm him up, but train with him it's out of question.

Murray has a hitting partner and at the tournaments he practices with other players.

Most of the coaches just coach, don't hit with them.

Bob Bret, Uncle Toni, Lendl, Stefanki and many others can't really rally with these guys, they feed the ball and do court pattern with them.

There may be one or another that are the coach and hitting partner.

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 04:40 PM
Most of the coaches just coach, don't hit with them.

Bob Bret, Uncle Toni, Lendl, Stefanki and many others can't really rally with these guys, they feed the ball and do court pattern with them.

There may be one or another that are the coach and hitting partner.
I've seen Darren Cahill hitting with Agassi when he was coaching him and he had no problems at all keeping up with Agassi.

piteng
09-11-2012, 04:41 PM
actually, i'm sure lendl has hit a bit with murray to understand his balls

more in the evaluation beginning but not during subsequent practices

Timbo's hopeless slice
09-11-2012, 04:51 PM
I've seen Darren Cahill hitting with Agassi when he was coaching him and he had no problems at all keeping up with Agassi.

well, like Lendl, Cahill was a top level tour pro. What these guys no longer have is movement, not skill.

of COURSE they can hit with someone like Murray, for coaching purposes.

for match play practice, however, I am sure they would use younger hitting partners, often in teams.

flymeng
09-11-2012, 04:57 PM
I don't get it with all the sarcasm. Murray won and we should be happy for him after watching him struggled.

Lendl hasn't played tennis in a long time due to his bad back. He cannot keep up with Murray during the rallies. But I am sure Lendl can hit a few balls to evaluate Murray's strokes. Lendl is a conditioning, strategist and mental coach.

Lefty78
09-11-2012, 04:58 PM
I've seen Darren Cahill hitting with Agassi when he was coaching him and he had no problems at all keeping up with Agassi.

Cahill is only 5 years older than Andre, whereas Lendl is more than twice Murray's age.

Bobby Jr
09-11-2012, 05:16 PM
I'm waiting for Lendl to get with the plan and switch to Adidas gear. I wonder how long his Nike deal runs for?

kaku
09-11-2012, 05:45 PM
I think I read somewhere that Lendl doesn't hit with Murray because Murray hits too hard for Lendl

Mustard
09-11-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm waiting for Lendl to get with the plan and switch to Adidas gear. I wonder how long his Nike deal runs for?

Lendl as a player was pretty synonymous with Adidas, with the old Adidas logo painted onto his racquet strings.

Miami Tiburon
09-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Does Lendl hit balls with Murray?

Has any of you seen him doing that, during training, etc?

Or he just plays the expert observer and adviser?

How "hands on" his approach is?

Just curious.

I have seen Murray practice quite a bit here in Miami. Always has a hitting
Partner . Never seen him hit with Lendl or his Best friend Danny Valverdu. The only coach Murray has had that I saw hit with him was Alex Corretja. Alex is in great shape and had no problem rallying with Andy .

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 07:48 PM
Cahill is only 5 years older than Andre, whereas Lendl is more than twice Murray's age.
I don't think that matters that much. McEnroe regularly plays against and keeps up with guys more than half his age during World Team Tennis and that's actual match play, not just hitting or practicing.

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 07:56 PM
I think I read somewhere that Lendl doesn't hit with Murray because Murray hits too hard for Lendl
I find that hard to believe given that Lendl used to hit just about the hardest forehand in pro tennis. I doubt that he has completely forgotten his technique.

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 07:57 PM
Lendl as a player was pretty synonymous with Adidas, with the old Adidas logo painted onto his racquet strings.
That's because he used an Adidas racquet. It's the same with pros using Wilson racquets have the Wilson logo on their strings.

Mustard
09-11-2012, 08:00 PM
I don't think that matters that much. McEnroe regularly plays against and keeps up with guys more than half his age during World Team Tennis and that's actual match play, not just hitting or practicing.

McEnroe has regularly hit with the best tennis players ever since his 1992 retirement as a player, and he has constantly been involved in tennis ever since he first arrived on the scene as a teenage player. On the other hand, the only involvement in tennis I remember Lendl having from his December 1994 retirement to his return to the seniors to face Wilander in 2010, had been doing the pre-match coin toss before the 2001 US Open final between Hewitt and Sampras, as well as being inducted into the Hall of Fame 2 months before that. Lendl threw himself into golf after his retirement and had nothing to do with tennis for years. In his Hall of Fame speech, I believe Lendl said something along the lines of "I am here to formally close the tennis chapter of my life."

BevelDevil
09-11-2012, 08:06 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg


Lendl has a racket so he can pick up balls off the court, and possibly also feed them from the net post to Andy and his partner. In the picture notice that Lendl is holding two balls in his hand.

During the Open they showed Murray practicing with a partner. Lendl was hovering behind Andy, occasionally picking up stray balls.

RogerRacket111
09-11-2012, 08:08 PM
Most of the time they have racket to just feed balls while they hit with other pro's or semi-pro's

Mick
09-11-2012, 08:10 PM
who among the coaches of the top 3 players can beat lendl right now?
paul anacone, marian vajda, and uncle toni.

if they can't beat lendl, they probably don't hit with the players they coach either, for the same reason that the OP brought up.

Hi I'm Ray
09-11-2012, 08:14 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

What's up with Lendl's strings in that pic, does he only have the middle mains and crosses strung?

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 08:22 PM
What's up with Lendl's strings in that pic, does he only have the middle mains and crosses strung?
Lendl used a 75 sq. in. Adidas racquet when he was on tour so he's used to hitting the center of the stringbed, so he doesn't need all those extra strings that he never uses anyway. :wink: LOL

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 08:40 PM
Lendl has a racket so he can pick up balls off the court, and possibly also feed them from the net post to Andy and his partner. In the picture notice that Lendl is holding two balls in his hand.

During the Open they showed Murray practicing with a partner. Lendl was hovering behind Andy, occasionally picking up stray balls.
But why is holding two balls an indication of anything? :confused: Don't you hit holding two balls first and hitting one of them? Pros used to play matches holding one ball in their hand during the entire point if they got their first serve in. They would hold two balls in their hand and toss one of them to hit their first serve.


http://the-tennis-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/rod-laver.jpg

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/img/display_media.php?mets_filename=evm00000987mets.xm l&resolution=lowres

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Ilie_Nastase_-_1972_Nastase_in_finala_Cupei_Davis.jpg

sureshs
09-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Today's serves require coming off the ground and landing forward to generate the fantastic pace. Holding 2 balls is not feasible anymore. Also, in the old days men used to wear short shorts with no place to put the ball.

skraggle
09-11-2012, 08:51 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

What's with the strings in Lendl's Bosworth?

RF20Lennon
09-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Paul Annacone always has a racket and he never hits with fed

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Today's serves require coming off the ground and landing forward to generate the fantastic pace. Holding 2 balls is not feasible anymore. Also, in the old days men used to wear short shorts with no place to put the ball.
I agree about the tight shorts but I think it's also more because most pros these days hit with two-handed backhands so obviously they can't hold a ball in their off hand during the point. But Lendl used to wear the short tight shorts and hits a one-handed backhand so I think he's just doing what he's used to doing. :)

zapvor
09-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Does Lendl hit balls with Murray?

Has any of you seen him doing that, during training, etc?

Or he just plays the expert observer and adviser?

How "hands on" his approach is?

Just curious.

aside from the all the jokes, i saw lendl hit with murray at the us open last week. in fact they played some points out. it was really cool to watch. then boris becker walked on court! just awesome

BreakPoint
09-11-2012, 09:22 PM
aside from the all the jokes, i saw lendl hit with murray at the us open last week. in fact they played some points out. it was really cool to watch. then boris becker walked on court! just awesome
Did Lendl and Becker decide to slug it out in a revenge match? :) LOL

BevelDevil
09-11-2012, 10:06 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


Ivan Lendl, the highest paid ball boy ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OXmntS2qc

Paul Murphy
09-12-2012, 12:46 AM
An Aussie commentator said during the USO that he'd watched them hit.

Cormorant
09-12-2012, 01:55 AM
I saw them practicing in the second week of the US Open, and Lendl was hitting a fairly hard ball. The Czech's main problem-as Murray says-is changing direction during points. Lendl has already managed to tag Murray at the net, and with a slam in his trophy cabinet Andy will now feel emboldened to return the favour one day.

mfromg
09-12-2012, 02:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MC6PSXg7OQ

Ash_Smith
09-12-2012, 02:49 AM
Andy travels with Dani Vallverdu as his hitting partner. He used to hit with Miles quite often, but he hits with Dani mostly now. I'm sure Ivan could handle some drills and practices though!

Cheers

Marius_Hancu
09-12-2012, 02:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MC6PSXg7OQ

good stuff

tennisMVP
09-12-2012, 07:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufl-rWjcZwQ
2011 IVAN LENDL def. JOHN MCENROE Madison Square Garden

jonnythan
09-12-2012, 08:00 AM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.

I don't see why you'd say that. It's hard to illustrate what you want someone to do with a racquet without holding one yourself.

Fedex
09-12-2012, 09:03 AM
But why is holding two balls an indication of anything? :confused: Don't you hit holding two balls first and hitting one of them? Pros used to play matches holding one ball in their hand during the entire point if they got their first serve in. They would hold two balls in their hand and toss one of them to hit their first serve.
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/img/display_media.php?mets_filename=evm00000987mets.xm l&resolution=lowres

Very bad practice. That was drummed out of me quick when I was playing.
You should never get into that habbit.
Everything should be the same on every serve and every rally.

On another note, man what a great physique Arthur Ashe had.

BreakPoint
09-12-2012, 09:12 PM
I don't see why you'd say that. It's hard to illustrate what you want someone to do with a racquet without holding one yourself.
Lendl could hold Murray's racquet. Besides, I think Murray is way past the fundamentals and doesn't need Lendl to show him how to hold a tennis racquet. :) LOL

The Bawss
09-12-2012, 09:23 PM
I don't see why you'd say that. It's hard to illustrate what you want someone to do with a racquet without holding one yourself.

After winning the USO, I think Murray gets bumped up to a 5.0, at that level it is not necessary for Ivan to show Murray how to hold a racket, hit a backhand etc.

Leelord337
09-12-2012, 09:26 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

I guess its a Czech thing to use Bosworth racquets. Radek Stepanek and Martina Navratilova (and now Lendl) are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head that yield the Bosworth stick.

NikeWilson
09-12-2012, 09:35 PM
I think it's weird how Lendl wears Nike while Murray wears Adidas. Usually the coach wears the same brand as the player.
Even more odd is that back in his playing days, all Lendl wore was Adidas. The shoes, the clothes, and even racquet!.. all Adidas.

Leelord337
09-12-2012, 09:40 PM
^^we all know nike tennis shoes (well the vapors) aren't cushiony at all for lendls aging knees, more low profile for performance..so if you look closely those aren't nike tennis shoes but look to be running or cross trainer shoes which happen to be super cushiony.

and nike shorts/shirts are a little bit softer than adidas though, so with gazillions in the bank like Lendl has he can wear whats the most comfortable, he's not worried about a small sponsor

Vlad_C
09-12-2012, 09:46 PM
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

That's quite a string pattern on that Bosworth racquet...

Leelord337
09-12-2012, 10:35 PM
^^^lmao yeah it is, i guess part of the racquet isn't strung???

aimr75
09-12-2012, 10:46 PM
I think the real question is does Lendl hit balls at Murray.

No Lendl takes a different approach with Murray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=16US1Y6Ridg#t=68s

Hi I'm Ray
09-13-2012, 02:44 AM
^^^lmao yeah it is, i guess part of the racquet isn't strung???

looking at the vid of murray serving and lendl picking up balls it looks like the whole racket is actually strung

Rogael Naderer
09-13-2012, 03:20 AM
Paul Annacone always has a racket and he never hits with fed

Oh really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbe3WUMnN-I&feature=BFa&list=PLE9EB9D83C539A145

volleynets
09-13-2012, 08:21 PM
delete 10 char

jokinla
09-13-2012, 09:29 PM
I don't think Lendl would need his racquet while coaching Murray if he never hits with him.


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivan+Lendl+2012+US+Open+Day+14+hdGxEqdqvvEl.jpg

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28300000/Andy-Murray-and-Ivan-Lendl-andy-murray-28336639-757-999.jpg

Judging by the size of that guy, the only thing Lendl's hitting is Baskin Robbins.