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TenTan
09-12-2012, 07:55 AM
If the ATP created one, would you like it?



- Most probably in China.

citybert
09-12-2012, 07:57 AM
maybe if traded for the AO. otherwise probably not necessary. What countries/cities you thinkin? Tokyo? Shanghai? Seoul? Singapore? Except for Singapore I don't think any of the cities are warm enough for an outdoor GS. And i doubt you can fit any more in the FO, WB, and clay summer season.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 07:59 AM
You can't fit another Grandslam into a calendar, with all the masters series and the World Tour Finals.

If we had 5 Grandslams, every slam would be taken that much less seriously. However much I dislike Nadal's game and how dull it is, there was something missing from the Olympics and the US Open without him there. If we had 5 slams, Novak and Andy would probably find it difficult to keep up.

ollinger
09-12-2012, 08:00 AM
I think at some point the Chinese will assert themselves in this area and try to put on a tournament conflicting with the AO and paying a ton of dough. A compromise will then be struck to alternate years between Melbourne and Shanghai for this "Asian Open."

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 08:02 AM
No Country would ever lose its Grandslam. There is way too much tradition attached to each slam.

Wimbledon has the Greatest tradition.
Then the French and the US Open, the US Open is well known for its remarkably intense and enthralling night matches.
Australian Open is now drawing up a tradition but the ATP would never take it away from them, as they take tennis to a separate continent.

I agree however that Asia deserves a Grandslam, but how loved is tennis in Asia? Not very much @ all. Spain or Germany should be the next on the list IMO.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 08:03 AM
I think at some point the Chinese will assert themselves in this area and try to put on a tournament conflicting with the AO and paying a ton of dough. A compromise will then be struck to alternate years between Melbourne and Shanghai for this "Asian Open."

LOL!

That is some prediction. What leads you to this call? I don't think they'd ever make that sort of compromise. I think that's more what you want to happen.

JRstriker12
09-12-2012, 08:04 AM
Didn't they do a trial run with the ATP World Tour Finals and eventually moved it to London?

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 08:07 AM
Didn't they do a trial run with the ATP World Tour Finals and eventually moved it to London?

Wrong.

This is the last year it will be based in London. The World Tour Finals is tournament that represent the best players across the whole of the year, who've excelled in Masters series and has them all in one tournament.

It's moved across Country to Country after being hosted there every 3 years or so.

citybert
09-12-2012, 08:07 AM
One Asian or Middle Eastern city- if times are good should build a massive indoor tennis complex like Flushing or Roland Garros, but indoors that would be interesting.

They should also vary surface, maybe have the higher seed pick the surface they want, shake things up. yeah 3 separate stadiums for each surface -:)

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 08:09 AM
Too many of the slams have too much tradition to get rid off and they would have to get rid off one in order to bring in another.

goober
09-12-2012, 08:12 AM
I can't see it happening. The tournament calander is already too crowded. ATP/WTA have been clamoring for less tournaments and some type of off season.

Al Czervik
09-12-2012, 08:25 AM
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Bartelby
09-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Slams are ITF events so I can't see them changing anything and I can't see the ATP creating a new category of event.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 09:18 AM
Also when you speak Asia you can't always be directly talking about Oriental Asia, Asia as a continent is massive. When you talk Europe do you immediately think Greece? lol

PaulFCB
09-12-2012, 09:25 AM
Neah, I would have a 5th Grand Slam in South America, Rio de Janeiro after they would build something there for the Olympics.
Of course, 4 is enough.

If a Grand Slam would be in Asia I would choose clearly between Tokyo and Seoul, not in China.

tacou
09-12-2012, 09:35 AM
How can a slam be "created" anyway?

As far as I know, a tournament can offer as much prize money as they want.

A brand new tournament is not going to carry even half as much prestige as an Austrlian Open title--people still trash AO because it wasn't played by all the top players in the 80s.

I guess the only "creation" part would be 2000 ranking points.

Sentinel
09-12-2012, 10:08 AM
We've already beaten this topic to death in another thread.

However, i'd just like to add that calling the AO the slam of Asia/Pacific is silly. Australia is not part of Asia. It's a whole freakin' hemisphere away.

You can't call RG the slam of Africa/Europe either, or USO the slam of South/North America. Just don't work that way.

augustobt
09-12-2012, 10:13 AM
There won't be any new slam. Never.

tacou
09-12-2012, 10:32 AM
There won't be any new slam. Never.

bold claim. 80 years from now China might rule half the world and they will hold slams wherever they want.

rabidranger
09-12-2012, 10:41 AM
bold claim. 80 years from now China might rule half the world and they will hold slams wherever they want.

While propping up a cryogenically frozen Li Na?

Sentinel
09-12-2012, 10:55 AM
While propping up a cryogenically frozen Li Na?

Li Na has broken away from "the system" one hears. They'll have genetically engineered tennisbots which will pass every human DNA and chromosome tests and run the 100m in 5 seconds, leap 20 meters, serve at 200 or more mph and never make an error or miss a ball.

Think "Real Steel".

And as tacou rightly said all the slams will be in China which will of course encompass the entire globe.

PaulFCB
09-12-2012, 11:29 AM
However, i'd just like to add that calling the AO the slam of Asia/Pacific is silly. Australia is not part of Asia. It's a whole freakin' hemisphere away.

I think it has something to do with the sponsor rather than the location.

sureshs
09-12-2012, 12:36 PM
ATP Chennai should be upgraded to a Slam.

tusharlovesrafa
09-12-2012, 09:38 PM
ATP Chennai should be upgraded to a Slam.

LOL,no.But I do think in future years we should have a 1000 Masters here..:)

Bartelby
09-12-2012, 09:44 PM
It is kind of silly, but there's not much happening in Oceania and even the soccer team decamped to the Asian Federation, so in geo-political terms it does make sense.

RG is in a way the continental European slam given its location and the fact that its played on clay but they don't advertise it that way.

Wimbledon was the British Empire or Commonwealth Championships as well, in a certain sense, but they'd never adverise it that way.



We've already beaten this topic to death in another thread.

However, i'd just like to add that calling the AO the slam of Asia/Pacific is silly. Australia is not part of Asia. It's a whole freakin' hemisphere away.

You can't call RG the slam of Africa/Europe either, or USO the slam of South/North America. Just don't work that way.

Timbo's hopeless slice
09-12-2012, 10:01 PM
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this

I guess you folks probably don't realise it but we (in Australia) consider ourselves more or less a part of Asia anyway, it even is where we play our
World Cup football these days (nobody mention 'Jordan', ok?)

Sentinel
09-12-2012, 10:06 PM
ATP Chennai should be upgraded to a Slam.

It's too close to AO. And if you have it at any other time of the year, it will be too hot. Even January is very hot in Chennai.

You'd be happy since you'd be able to watch it during your winter vacation every year :)

Sentinel
09-12-2012, 10:09 PM
It is kind of silly, but there's not much happening in Oceania and even the soccer team decamped to the Asian Federation, so in geo-political terms it does make sense.

RG is in a way the continental European slam given its location and the fact that its played on clay but they don't advertise it that way.

Wimbledon was the British Empire or Commonwealth Championships as well, in a certain sense, but they'd never adverise it that way.

Yeah but you can't club Africa with Europe and call RG the Africa/Europe slam. Or Flushing the South/North America slam.

WhereIsMacMac
09-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Asian Grand Slam = New Surface

Like humus

Bowtiesarecool
09-12-2012, 10:13 PM
I just can't see it. There are existing problems with the current schedule. Imo, things would go much smoother if the season had slams spread out more evenly, with 10 weeks of same surface tournaments prior to each, (In essence 5 hardcourt events then the AO, 5 clay events leading up to the FO, 5 grass then Wimbly, then 5 hardcourt events leading up to the USO. That would give players plenty of time to adjust to a surface, keep the hardcourt events in the cooler months, and leave 4 free weeks of "vacation" before the start of the next season. It also leaves enough time for players to skip an event here and there and still have tournaments to "warm up" for a slam.

usta2050
09-12-2012, 10:13 PM
Asian Grand Slam = New Surface

Like humus

rice field.

Zarfot Z
09-12-2012, 11:24 PM
No.

Four grand slams is enough. The fifth would not be taken seriously.

mykoh
09-13-2012, 12:31 AM
probably not gonna happen, but if it does, an outdoor Singapore GS event would be killer. as in literally. 32C+ temps with 90%+ humidity levels and 5 set matches does not bode well.

Sentinel
09-13-2012, 02:04 AM
rice field.

Right. Player with most plough through to win.

WhiskeyEE
09-13-2012, 02:08 AM
If anyone should get a slam, it should be eastern europe, since they're pretty much taking over tennis. Even the North American and Australian up and comers, like Tomic and Raonic, and eastern europeans.

So I say put one in Moscow or one of the Yugoslav countries.

classic tennis
09-13-2012, 02:13 AM
No, you have to give free tickets away to most (if not all) events in Asia just to get bums on seats for TV.

Zarfot Z
09-13-2012, 02:18 AM
I always thought the WTF was sufficient enough to be labeled as the fifth Grand Slam.

slickerthansleek
09-13-2012, 02:23 AM
this

I guess you folks probably don't realise it but we (in Australia) consider ourselves more or less a part of Asia anyway, it even is where we play our
World Cup football these days (nobody mention 'Jordan', ok?)

We do? News to me. The current government seems to think so but that's about it.

Paul Murphy
09-13-2012, 02:52 AM
No. You can't "create" a new one.
There are four majors. End of story.

Sentinel
09-13-2012, 05:59 AM
I always thought the WTF was sufficient enough to be labeled as the fifth Grand Slam.

No.

Four grand slams is enough. The fifth would not be taken seriously.

Cincy is taken very seriously as the fifth and REAL slam, you ignoramus :D

sureshs
09-13-2012, 07:20 AM
It's too close to AO. And if you have it at any other time of the year, it will be too hot. Even January is very hot in Chennai.

You'd be happy since you'd be able to watch it during your winter vacation every year :)

Actually I am in Chennai in July every year, so it won't be good for me.

citybert
09-13-2012, 09:36 AM
Cincy is taken very seriously as the fifth and REAL slam, you ignoramus :D

Really? i always thought IW was more of a fifth slam, but probably my warped west coast bias. both hold their own well, and many of the top players will also play doubles.

Bjorn99
09-13-2012, 09:56 AM
I love Australia and all that, but you just know the Asians are going to muscle out that tournament, with either cooperation or just pure economics.

aced_Tezuka
09-13-2012, 05:45 PM
It would be pretty great. But there's a lot of downsides though.

PaulFCB
09-13-2012, 06:05 PM
Really? i always thought IW was more of a fifth slam, but probably my warped west coast bias. both hold their own well, and many of the top players will also play doubles.

Lol, and I always saw Miami as the 5th Grand Slam. And the place in Key Biscayne is amazing, nice feel. Indian Wells is such a weird location, why couldn't they just play it up in LA, like in Beverly Hills.

Indian Wells is nice as a private tournament which is totally unique for this category, though things like frequent commercials might not be seen beneficial for sport by some people.

I guess everybody has an own 5th Grand Slam, maybe some may see Paris-Bercy because it would be the "indoor grand slam" others might see Rome because of it's tradition and atmosphere during matches when an Italian plays, while some may start to consider Madrid because Tiriac is trying to make it look like it, not necessarily because of the blue clay, but because he always puts pressure and present it as something special or even attempting ( bluffing ) to move the GS from Paris there, marketing is everything.

PaulFCB
09-13-2012, 06:19 PM
Go to Paris and eat some fast food while hurrying up trying to visit as much as you can.
I've seen many tourists puking and feeling unwell.
Of course, you can't say the same thing about a restaurant/brasserie or even a fast food chain, but it's not like you can guarantee you're gonna eat safe anywhere around here on Earth.

Bartelby
09-13-2012, 06:19 PM
It would make sense to have another slam in october if the players were still up to it as after the us open the season is a bit of a let down.

The YEC is not quite the same thing as a slam.

But slams aren't really something you can just make up.

Paul Murphy
09-13-2012, 06:29 PM
But slams aren't really something you can just make up.

Spot on.
The four majors have many years of tradition behind them.
A new event would be seen for what it was - a marketing exercise aimed at a geographical location.
There'd be little, if any support from the players, particularly traditionalists such as Fed.

Down_the_line
09-13-2012, 06:30 PM
Not as much as a grass court MS1000 event.

boramiNYC
09-13-2012, 08:04 PM
It's a possibility but I don't think it'll happen for a while. A tournament in the magnitude of GS requires unlimited tennis appreciating fans year after year in near vicinity. First, Asians in general don't appreciate tennis as much as people in the west. This is no judgment but simple observation. A solid history of fan-ship must be built before considering creating a GS. Based on how popular the existing smaller tournaments have been on TV and in the local new media, I'm not too hopeful about seeing an Asian GS.

paulorenzo
09-13-2012, 08:30 PM
it needs a Gangnam Slam

iri10
09-13-2012, 11:08 PM
I'm not sure why some people are talking as if Asia/China could somehow "clout" its way into getting a Grand Slam, or even replace an existing one like the AO.

The AO is 107 years old, and that makes it the "baby" among Open-era Slams. 680,000+ people attended this year, making it the second most attended tournament on earth (more than everything but the US Open).

The only chance (and it's a small one) of an Asian tournament forcing its way into 2000 point territory is if one of the existing ones becomes wildly popular and remains so for at least a couple of decades.

teatennis
09-13-2012, 11:17 PM
Asians don't play tennis, at least not enough in the pro circuit to warrant an event there.

I"m pretty sure RUSSIA/UKRAINE or other NorthEastern european country would have first dibs if they opened a new GRAND-SLAM.

They could have a minor event though, you see those everywhere.

underground
09-14-2012, 12:39 PM
Wrong.

This is the last year it will be based in London. The World Tour Finals is tournament that represent the best players across the whole of the year, who've excelled in Masters series and has them all in one tournament.

It's moved across Country to Country after being hosted there every 3 years or so.

Actually it's extended to 2013.

jamesblakefan#1
09-14-2012, 12:53 PM
Actually it's extended to 2013.

Correctomundo. Also TM & OP, the ITF, not the ATP, controls the slams. The USTA, Tennis Australia, FFT, and LTA would never allow a 5th slam to come in and devalue their respective events, regardless of how much money an Asian event would put up.

JayChu
09-14-2012, 01:26 PM
Let's just call everything a damn grand slam that way every tennis player can win one.

To be serious, the Australian Open is called the Grand Slam of the Asia-Pacific. So I don't see why Asia would need a grand slam at all. Plus, as stated previously, adding a 5th grand slam will devalue everything (such as the CYGS under the original definition). No need to change history by adding a 5th GS.

kOaMaster
09-15-2012, 03:09 AM
I liked the World Tour Final in Shanghai - that was really an upgrade compared to the lousy event in Houston.

lawrencejin
09-15-2012, 06:22 AM
it needs a Gangnam Slam

I second this! An ultimate test of players' footwork (and how cool their sunglasses are).

The Bawss
09-15-2012, 06:27 AM
it needs a Gangnam Slam

Lol. This is funny but despite this, tennis isn't big enough there so no.