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Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 03:37 PM
I find this quite remarkable and am actually in a state of shock.

How this guy can ever be interpreted as being an introvert, I will never know, but one poster in another thread has suggested Federer is quite clearly an introvert.

I jus cannot see this, what do you guys think?

For me Roger Federer is the best player to give interviews, he is articulate, engages with the interviewer, shows eye-contact, shares a joke and acts very calm and looks much as ease whilst effortlessly showing charm. Surely anyone who feels this guy is introverted is absolutely insane...?

Federer is probably one of the most down-to-earth World number 1s the game has ever had. Not every player needs to be like Aggasi to be regarded as an extrovert.

EDIT: Before voting please remember you are not basing this on his "on-court" domineer.

PS: Breaker (Mr Moderator) .. please do not delete my thread, there are several or so trolls lurking across this forum every day making useless threads which you do nothing about, I feel this makes a good discussion. Thanks.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 03:45 PM
You know what I honestly feel? You guys want to believe he is an "introvert" so you can feel you relate to him more. In the end that's what draw's people into becoming fans, not jus their appreciation for the entertainment value they bring to a sport, but also that ability to relate to the sports-athlete. I've opened your eyes a bit to another way of looking @ Federer as a person and its hurting you, atleast that's how it's coming across looking @ the unclassy reaction.

WhiskeyEE
09-12-2012, 03:48 PM
You know what I honestly feel? You guys want to believe he is an "introvert" so you can feel you relate to him more. In the end that's what draw's people into becoming fans, not jus their appreciation for the entertainment value they bring to a sport, but also that ability to relate to the sports-athlete. I've opened your eyes a bit to another way of looking @ Federer as a person and its hurting you, atleast that's what I feel.

Funny, I thought the same about you. I know what I believe. I don't need to start a poll to reinforce my opinion.

Tennishacker
09-12-2012, 03:48 PM
You are clearly an extrovert my friend. Most introverts aren't this stupid.

Too funny!

Pwned
09-12-2012, 03:49 PM
I find this quite remarkable and am actually in a state of shock.

How this guy can ever be interpreted as being an introvert, I will never know, but one poster in another thread has suggested Federer is quite clearly an introvert.

I jus cannot see this, what do you guys think?

For me Roger Federer is the best player to give interviews, he is articulate, engages with the interviewer, shows eye-contact, shares a joke and acts very calm and looks much as ease whilst effortlessly showing charm. Surely anyone who feels this guy is introverted is absolutely insane...?

Federer is probably one of the most down-to-earth World number 1s the game has ever had. Not player needs to be like Aggasi to be regarded as an extrovert.

PS: Breaker (Mr Moderator) .. please do not delete my thread, there are several or so trolls lurking across this forum every day making useless threads which you do nothing about, I feel this makes a good discussion. Thanks.
Those are not determiners of an extrovert.


Djokovic is an extrovert. If you can't see the difference then you are blind.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 03:50 PM
Funny, I thought the same about you. I know what I believe. I don't need to start a poll to reinforce my opinion.

Not reinforcing, simply trying to get a general consensus of things. I always deemed Federer as an extrovert and I've never gathered the feeling anyone would deem him anything other. So this is to get the a feel of the consensus. I won't be changing my opinion, I can assure you of that, perhaps re-evaluating, but not changing.

PS: I'm not fan-boy of his, read my signature.

Hood_Man
09-12-2012, 03:51 PM
A lot of famous actors and performers are introverts. Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.

How someone performs in an interview or in a media event, has no bearing on their personality.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 03:52 PM
Those are not determiners of an extrovert.


Djokovic is an extrovert. If you can't see the difference then you are blind.

Djokovic is an extrovert, but you don't have to act all flamboyant and pantomime villain like to be an extrovert, Djokovic jus so happens to be this way on court.

Again, it seems you guys are confusing a player's "oncourt" domineer for their actual "personalities".

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 03:55 PM
A lot of famous actors and performers are introverts. Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.

How someone performs in an interview or in a media event, has no bearing on their personality.

So what you are saying is Federer is a performer? He performs in-front of the camera? This natural calmness and effortless way of being very informative and opinionated is all a show, its something he'd rather do more without and instead be off playing husband and daddy @ home?

I have NEVER seen someone ENJOY giving an interview as much as I have Federer, he genuinely enjoys giving them.

Hood_Man
09-12-2012, 03:57 PM
So what you are saying is Federer is a performer? He performs in-front of the camera? This natural calmness and effortless way of being very informative and opinionated is all a show, its something he'd rather do more without and instead be off playing husband and daddy @ home?

No.


10Nos

90's Clay
09-12-2012, 04:00 PM
Arrogant, aloof, introverted, stubborn.. Definitely doesn't strike me as someone who came from humble beginnings and was the most down to earth guy you would ever meet

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 04:00 PM
No.


10Nos

Well help me out here, you jus said, I'll quote..

Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.

...explain to me where you get this feeling^ from? All the interviews I've seen him give, he's looks like he is relishing the moment.

Tennis_Maestro
09-12-2012, 04:01 PM
Arrogant, aloof, introverted, stubborn

On-court, may be. Ofcourt, not in the slightest.

90's Clay
09-12-2012, 04:03 PM
I always connected with the type of guy like Djoker.. You can tell he came from more humble beginnings and was more of a guy you see that came from a war-torn country like Serbia.. He seems WAY more down to earth then someone like Fed.

Fed strikes me as someone who grew up well to do, with a silver spoon in his mouth from the minute he was born.. I could never connect with anyone like that

Hood_Man
09-12-2012, 04:04 PM
Well help me out here, you jus said, I'll quote..



...explain to me where you get this feeling^ from? All the interviews I've seen him give, he's looks like he is relishing the moment.

Introverts aren't just quiet people, they can talk for hours and hours. Once you find a subject that interests them it can be difficult to get them to be quiet :p It's just the small talk that can be tricky.

For example, a tennis player talking about tennis.

Pwned
09-12-2012, 04:04 PM
Djokovic is an extrovert, but you don't have to act all flamboyant and pantomime villain like to be an extrovert, Djokovic jus so happens to be this way on court.

Again, it seems you guys are confusing a player's "oncourt" domineer for their actual "personalities".

Nobody on here knows Federer. How would you know his personality away from the game?

Hood_Man
09-12-2012, 04:08 PM
I don't know if Federer is an Introvert or not by the way. In fact I'm kind of leaning towards "not."

[EDIT]

It's not a case of having to be in one group or the other mind, I'm sure most people have some traits from either group.

timnz
09-12-2012, 04:09 PM
I find this quite remarkable and am actually in a state of shock.

How this guy can ever be interpreted as being an introvert, I will never know, but one poster in another thread has suggested Federer is quite clearly an introvert.

I jus cannot see this, what do you guys think?

For me Roger Federer is the best player to give interviews, he is articulate, engages with the interviewer, shows eye-contact, shares a joke and acts very calm and looks much as ease whilst effortlessly showing charm. Surely anyone who feels this guy is introverted is absolutely insane...?

Federer is probably one of the most down-to-earth World number 1s the game has ever had. Not player needs to be like Aggasi to be regarded as an extrovert.

EDIT: Before voting please remember you are not basing this on his "on-court" domineer.

PS: Breaker (Mr Moderator) .. please do not delete my thread, there are several or so trolls lurking across this forum every day making useless threads which you do nothing about, I feel this makes a good discussion. Thanks.


This is a very surprising post for a number of reasons.

1/ It implies that being an introvert is a bad thing. Like being a bore or socially incompetent. Being an introvert can be a really good thing.

2/ What has being articulate got anything to do with being introverted or extraverted? Introversion and Extraversion refer to the context in which you regain emotional energy. Introverts like having time by themselves and extroverts need other people to feel re-energized. But this says nothing about their ability to converse or be articulate.

3/ Where does it say that Federer is an introvert to start with? (If somewhere it does - then being an Introvert is not a bad thing - it is a good thing). I highly doubt that Federer is an Introvert - but not for the reasons you are giving but because he seems to be energized being around people.

Can I highly recommend the watching of this TED video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4

Note the speaker - despite being an introvert is quite articulate. It's really informative about introversion in an engaging way.

norbac
09-12-2012, 04:09 PM
You can really tell it's the week after a Slam, huh?

smoledman
09-12-2012, 04:32 PM
Federer grew up in a middle class household. No silver spoon! In fact it's Nadal who grew up in riches.

tennisaddict
09-12-2012, 04:59 PM
When a young Mirka was consoling Fed after his bronze match loss at Sydney 2000, Fed did not let her go to her room , even late at night in the olympic village.

This was one of the first meetings of the two..

That doesnt sound introvert to me.. latching on to people.

Candide
09-12-2012, 05:47 PM
Introvert.

Surely there is a spectrum of personality types with say a Laconte or McEnroe towards the highly extroverted side and players like Ferrer and Rafter towards the highly introverted. Federer seems to be a relatively quietly spoken and reserved guy which points towards introversion. This doesn’t mean he’s unconfident or unsure of himself but that he is just a more inward person. I’d say pretty much the same about Nadal from what I’ve seen.

Who do you think would be more fun to go the pub with? Federer or Djokovic or Safin or… I think he’d be a great person to have a chat in a café with about the finer points of the game and life in general but I can’t imagine him chugging down a few pints and pulling an air guitar on the pool table. That’s not a criticism just the way some cats are built. It is especially odd in his case I guess because his game style is almost fully extrovert.

tennisaddict
09-12-2012, 05:56 PM
Federer is definitely not an introvert.

During interviews when asked a question , he will give lengthy answers with lots of emotions - smile, anger, wit, giggle, etc., - definitely those are not traits of introvert.

With Nadal or Murray - they will just answer to the question

Novak is the other extreme - pulling jokes, inciting crowd, imitating people, war cry, etc., Those are extreme, but Federer is without doubt an extrovert.

Just because he says he likes family time, that shouldnt cloud your opinion.

He talks at length on a wide variety of topics including culture, sports, charity. His ads also show his personality very well. (Lindt)

He advocates for the tour and has a prominent role in the ATP council , rallies the players. Well liked by all his peers.

He doesnt mumble on the court when some thing is not to his liking and is not afraid to speak up - bad call by umpire, yelling by fan, etc.,

Pwned
09-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Federer is definitely not an introvert.

During interviews when asked a question , he will give lengthy answers with lots of emotions - smile, anger, wit, giggle, etc., - definitely those are not traits of introvert.

With Nadal or Murray - they will just answer to the question

Novak is the other extreme - pulling jokes, inciting crowd, imitating people, war cry, etc., Those are extreme, but Federer is without doubt an extrovert.

Just because he says he likes family time, that shouldnt cloud your opinion.

He talks at length on a wide variety of topics including culture, sports, charity. His ads also show his personality very well. (Lindt)

JFK talked at length on a wide variety of topics. He was an introvert. Clearly, not an indication of ones personality type.

90's Clay
09-12-2012, 06:06 PM
When a young Mirka was consoling Fed after his bronze match loss at Sydney 2000, Fed did not let her go to her room , even late at night in the olympic village.

This was one of the first meetings of the two..

That doesnt sound introvert to me.. latching on to people.

I agree.. Sounds like an insecure nut job:?

ATXtennisaddict
09-12-2012, 06:18 PM
A lot of famous actors and performers are introverts. Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.

How someone performs in an interview or in a media event, has no bearing on their personality.

Introverts aren't just quiet people, they can talk for hours and hours. Once you find a subject that interests them it can be difficult to get them to be quiet :p It's just the small talk that can be tricky.

For example, a tennis player talking about tennis.

This man gets it. :) Good job dude, thought no one else besides me would.

Breaker
09-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Remove me from the bottom part of your first post. I'm not a mod and don't even report your posts, they get deleted by themselves for being abrasive.

tennisaddict
09-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.


Outgoing at parties, yet classified as introvert based on the kind of party ?

If someone is an introvert generally, even in a known setting they will be just 'normal', not 'outgoing' and leave alone 'Incredibly Outgoing'.

TaihtDuhShaat
09-12-2012, 06:25 PM
From Myers Briggs typology- it is my belief that Roger is an INTJ.

Introvert- On interviews, he clearly wants to do them graciously, and then get the hell out of there.

Intuitive- Sees the big picture, sums up his matches in interviews as an outsider looking in.

Thinking- Backs up everything he says with logical reasoning.

Judging- Always makes clear his specific judgments on tennis headlines, other players.

From Wikipedia:

"INTJs are one of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, and account for about 1–4% of the population." Rare tennis style

"Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership." Took over ATP Players Council

"They are often acutely aware of their own knowledge and abilities—as well as their limitations and what they don't know(...). INTJs thus develop a strong confidence in their ability and talents(...)." An ideal trait tennis trait

From Personalitypage.com:

"When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, such as over-drinking. They may also tend to become absorbed with minutia and details that they would not normally consider important to their overall goal." When a match isn't going well for Fed, he starts to blast everything and become ********! lol

"INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning."Another trait great for tennis matches

"Others may falsely perceive the INTJ as being rigid and set in their ways. Nothing could be further from the truth, because the INTJ is committed to always finding the objective best strategy to implement their ideas. The INTJ is usually quite open to hearing an alternative way of doing something." Change to a 95" dammit!

"INTJs have a tremendous amount of ability to accomplish great things."Duh 17 slams

tudwell
09-12-2012, 06:40 PM
Arrogant, aloof, introverted, stubborn.. Definitely doesn't strike me as someone who came from humble beginnings and was the most down to earth guy you would ever meet

Who, Sampras?

DeShaun
09-12-2012, 07:03 PM
I voted no because his manner of interacting with people reminds me of Bill Clinton's. They both are outwardly affable though Clinton, I would say, is a bit more gregarious with his non-verbal communication; but when either of them opens his mouth it becomes apparent almost immediately how opinionated and articulate they both are, and so, both guys to my mind are the type of person who seems to wear his learning somewhat quietly yet who, despite that, often cannot help but come across as the brightest guy in most any room. They both have positive charisma, they know how to use it, and this indicates being more extrovert than introvert IMO. Roger used to throw tantrums as a kid--he sought the attention acting that way could offer; but then he realized that such a self-image was not so good for him or his tennis. The point is that introverts do not tend to seek attention.

Virginia
09-12-2012, 07:05 PM
domineer is not a noun.

helloworld
09-12-2012, 07:12 PM
Federer, like Sampras is introvert. The difference is Federer at least tries to be friendly and outgoing with the media.

TennisA
09-12-2012, 07:25 PM
The OP makes it seem like being an Introvert is a bad thing or something... I could see Federer being an introvert, but really, it doesn't matter. He is very professional in public, but in private, he might be one of the most social in his group.

effortless
09-12-2012, 07:34 PM
definition of an introvert:a shy, reticent, and typically self-centered person.
• Psychology: a person predominantly concerned with their own thoughts and feelings rather than with external things.

I don't think federer is either an introvert or an extravert - my profession is psychology haha. I think he appears to be extraverted most of the time, but that might just be because he wants to please fans and the media etc. On the contrary I believe he would have to be quite introspective as he would constantly be analysing his game, fitness, thoughts etc. His family always says that as a child he couldn't sit still and always had to be doing something. This can be related to his need for external stimulation.

TaihtDuhShaat
09-12-2012, 07:36 PM
Exactly why I believe him to be an INTJ with high Se. (great for sports).

Fugazi
09-12-2012, 07:40 PM
He clearly is an introvert with good social skills and a more than healthy narcissism, which can make him look extroverted perhaps. You always get the feeling that there's a lot more going on in his head than what he shows...

helloworld
09-12-2012, 07:58 PM
He clearly is an introvert with good social skills and a more than healthy narcissism, which can make him look extroverted perhaps. You always get the feeling that there's a lot more going on in his head than what he shows...

You are spot on. There is definitely a lot more in his head than he is showing, which is a sign of being an introvert.

WhiskeyEE
09-12-2012, 08:00 PM
You are spot on. There is definitely a lot more in his head than he is showing, which is a sign of being an introvert.

This is why I think he's an introvert as well. It's also what I meant by him seeming 'inside of his head' in the other thread.

People in this thread, especially the OP, don't understand what introversion is. It has to do with your state of mind and thought processes, not necessarily your behaviour. Although introverts tend to be less out going, among other things.

ormynameisntbill
09-12-2012, 08:10 PM
just because someone is good at interviews doesnt mean he is automatically an extrovert. i heard somewhere that stephen colbert is actually really awkward in real life. same goes for quite a few actors out there.

effortless
09-12-2012, 08:55 PM
You don't have to be either an introvert or an extravert. The extraversion scale works on a continuum. You can be somewhere in the middle - like federer. As someone said previously, almost everyone would agree that djokovic is an extravert and Ferrer is an introvert. Therefore what would Federer be if no one can agree on what he is?

Sentinel
09-12-2012, 09:13 PM
You can really tell it's the week after a Slam, huh?

tennis maestro has been creating threads out of responses of other people in other threads, instead of using the Reply button and getting on with life.

He gets worked up if he doesn't agree with a post, and creates a fresh thread to debate it.


On topic:
I frankly don't give a darn what Federer is.

Virginia
09-12-2012, 09:33 PM
I think Federer is an ambivert.

Service Ace
09-12-2012, 09:49 PM
Federer is definitely an introvert. Extroverts wear their hearts on their sleeves. Federer's face doesn't even flinch when he's cracking a forehand. Lets be real here people.

GoaLaSSo
09-12-2012, 10:21 PM
I don't know what federer is for sure, but it is very hard to spot an introvert unless you are one or the person is painfully obvious about it. It becomes even more difficult the further away on the introvert/extrovert spectrum you are.

Extreme extroverts tend to think of introverts only as being shy and reserved people (think Sampras).

Moderate people are able to better identify both sides of the spectrum.

Introverts often can better identify introverts due to their understanding of their own tendencies. People unlike them often appear to just be extroverts.

For instance, an extreme extrovert envisions his ideal time involving social interactions. A typical introvert could feel the same way, but it would probably be more specific to a small number of people. Extreme introverts may only interact socially because they know they should or have to (the world has become very biased toward extrovert behavior). These same people would probably find more joy in spending a lot of time alone.

Personally, I interact well with others because I have learned to do so. Deep down, it is painful to interact with new people and stressful to be in medium to large sized groups. I don't like communicating my thoughts and opinions except to very close friends, but I have no problem rambling on and on about things I am excited about when I feel like people are truly interested. I could probably spend years with only another person or two and be perfectly happy.


I personally see federer in as fairly moderate or slightly introverted. It is almost impossible to tell because he has been in the spotlight for so long that he has learned a specific way to interact and present himself. Fans rarely see him in his typical state of behavior because he is always busy with tennis.

The power of introverts ted talk for anyone interested : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4

effortless
09-12-2012, 10:31 PM
Nice GoalaSSo! I like how you said you interact well with people in medium/large groups because you have learned to do so, not because you enjoy it. Also, that you could live the rest of your life with only 2 other people if it were possible. You really nailed it. I think its possible Federer could have this tendency, but who really knows?

kalyan4fedever
09-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Yes, on an other note djoker seems to be least arrogant among the big 3 outside tennis courts ofcourse.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/34/955/1024/Federer5579.jpg

moopie
09-12-2012, 11:11 PM
My vote is introvert. Biggest clue? How he handles his tennis, especially on court.

Introverts are inwardly focused. Federer never looks at his box, never talks to his box. He tries to figure it out himself. He didn't even have a coach for so many years.

Extroverts are outwardly focused, like Nadal and Djokovic, always talking to their box, always looking to their box for support.

The ability to give good answers in an interview is related to intelligence, not introversion or extroversion. Big misconceptions here in this thread.

atac
09-12-2012, 11:17 PM
definition of an introvert:a shy, reticent, and typically self-centered person.
• Psychology: a person predominantly concerned with their own thoughts and feelings rather than with external things. Introvert does not mean shy. Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Murray are introverts. Djokovic, Roddick, McEnroe, Agassi are extroverts.

effortless
09-12-2012, 11:51 PM
@ atac "Introvert does not mean shy." - yes, shy is usually seen as one aspect of introversion. That is a definition from the "New Oxford American Dictionary". I think the first part is a general definition and the second part is a definition specific to psychology.

WhiskeyEE
09-13-2012, 12:53 AM
@ atac "Introvert does not mean shy." - yes, shy is usually seen as one aspect of introversion. That is a definition from the "New Oxford American Dictionary". I think the first part is a general definition and the second part is a definition specific to psychology.

Introversion is specific to psychology. There's no alternative meaning. And no, it doesn't mean shy. Plenty of extroverts are shy.

Shyness is a fear. Introversion isn't.

The confusion arises because shyness and introversion both often result in quietness. Therefore, introverts can appear shy even when they aren't.

effortless
09-13-2012, 01:30 AM
Introversion is specific to psychology. There's no alternative meaning. And no, it doesn't mean shy. Plenty of extroverts are shy.

Shyness is a fear. Introversion isn't.

The confusion arises because shyness and introversion both often result in quietness. Therefore, introverts can appear shy even when they aren't.

O.K so you know more than the "New Oxford American Dictionary"?
If you knew anything about psychology you would know that scientific definitions are often different to lay-people's definitions. Even psychologists don't agree on what introversion means. Its the same for many other sciences.
To me it sounds like someone is an introvert and desperately wants Federer to be one too (i can relate to that).

Virginia
09-13-2012, 01:45 AM
Like I said upthread, Federer is an ambivert - google it.

kalyan4fedever
09-13-2012, 01:48 AM
Like I said upthread, Federer is an ambivert - google it.

Might be for god knows, but how he is an introvert and how he is an extrovert you did not explain.

WhiskeyEE
09-13-2012, 01:54 AM
O.K so you know more than the "New Oxford American Dictionary"?
If you knew anything about psychology you would know that scientific definitions are often different to lay-people's definitions. Even psychologists don't agree on what introversion means. Its the same for many other sciences.
To me it sounds like someone is an introvert and desperately wants Federer to be one too (i can relate to that).

I'm not arguing about what Fed is. I stated my opinion and that's all I'm going to do. Right now I'm arguing over what an introvert is. Because I sure as hell am not shy, nor are most introverts that I know.

effortless
09-13-2012, 01:59 AM
Like I said upthread, Federer is an ambivert - google it.

Agreed!
- Federer is an ambivert!

Actually no one really knows - we cannot get inside his head and we have only seen him in media or in public areas.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 03:10 AM
Federer is definitely not an introvert.

During interviews when asked a question , he will give lengthy answers with lots of emotions - smile, anger, wit, giggle, etc., - definitely those are not traits of introvert.

With Nadal or Murray - they will just answer to the question

Novak is the other extreme - pulling jokes, inciting crowd, imitating people, war cry, etc., Those are extreme, but Federer is without doubt an extrovert.

Just because he says he likes family time, that shouldnt cloud your opinion.

He talks at length on a wide variety of topics including culture, sports, charity. His ads also show his personality very well. (Lindt)

He advocates for the tour and has a prominent role in the ATP council , rallies the players. Well liked by all his peers.

He doesnt mumble on the court when some thing is not to his liking and is not afraid to speak up - bad call by umpire, yelling by fan, etc.,


This doesn't prove anything at all. When I meet people in real life they get the impression I am extroverted, and I discuss things at great length and with intense focus and energy. This doesn't determine whether someone is an intro or extrovert. The question is, does Federer gain energy from these scenarios or does it drain his energy. I love a good night with friends but I can spend a long time by myself and not feel lonely and just occupy myself with my own mind. Spending time with people ends up draining me of energy almost all the time, and I must withdraw and recharge. There is a spectrum, it's possible that Federer is I or E and that he is a close case.

From Myers Briggs typology- it is my belief that Roger is an INTJ.

Introvert- On interviews, he clearly wants to do them graciously, and then get the hell out of there.

Intuitive- Sees the big picture, sums up his matches in interviews as an outsider looking in.

Thinking- Backs up everything he says with logical reasoning.

Judging- Always makes clear his specific judgments on tennis headlines, other players.

From Wikipedia:

"INTJs are one of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, and account for about 1–4% of the population." Rare tennis style

"Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership." Took over ATP Players Council

"They are often acutely aware of their own knowledge and abilities—as well as their limitations and what they don't know(...). INTJs thus develop a strong confidence in their ability and talents(...)." An ideal trait tennis trait

From Personalitypage.com:

"When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, such as over-drinking. They may also tend to become absorbed with minutia and details that they would not normally consider important to their overall goal." When a match isn't going well for Fed, he starts to blast everything and become ********! lol

"INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning."Another trait great for tennis matches

"Others may falsely perceive the INTJ as being rigid and set in their ways. Nothing could be further from the truth, because the INTJ is committed to always finding the objective best strategy to implement their ideas. The INTJ is usually quite open to hearing an alternative way of doing something." Change to a 95" dammit!

"INTJs have a tremendous amount of ability to accomplish great things."Duh 17 slams

Just no. I know a whole bunch of INTJs, Federer is not one, not for his life is he.

helloworld
09-13-2012, 03:11 AM
Federer is as introvert as one can get. He doesn't have coach for years. He never EVER look into his box or anyone for support. This is the definite sign of extreme introversion. Federer is extremely introvert, but he is not SHY. There is a big difference between being shy and being an introvert.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 03:24 AM
For a long time, I though that Roger was either an ESFJ or an ESFP, but after watching a zillion videos of these types, despite much of the descriptions fitting Roger, and the fact that his propensity for having a long-term plan for his career is more likely to constitute J, they just seem too outwardly extroverted as types to really fit Roger.

If I had to guess, I would suggest that Roger is an ISFP, but I really don't know. What I do know is that it's almost impossible that he is an NT. I'm still not settled on this view, but it's amazing how much Roger reminds me of the couple of ISFPs I have known well in my lifetime, but the realisation of this only occurred recently.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html

For other tennis pros, well it's difficult but here are some guesses.

Djokovic - ESTJ
Murray - ISTP I suppose.
Sampras - ISTP
Nadal - no idea, but the one I have considered the most is ISTJ
Agassi - not sure, maybe ESFP

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 03:29 AM
Federer is as introvert as one can get. He doesn't have coach for years. He never EVER look into his box or anyone for support. This is the definite sign of extreme introversion. Federer is extremely introvert, but he is not SHY. There is a big difference between being shy and being an introvert.

I agree, that upon more consideration that Federer is more likely to be an introvert. He has a deep and intense inner focus and as you say, he rarely looks up to his box, and keeps his feelings to himself on the court for the most part, until those pent up emotions sometimes must be revealed. But I don't think he is 'extremely' introverted, just that leans more towards that side, but it isn't like he would register as 100% introverted on personality typology tests. I can relate to being introverted but most certainly not shy, and can often be the most vocal in group settings and have a tremendous amount of energy, but after these excursions I must recharge my mind and I feel truly exhausted quite often. On the other hand, I know E types who derive much more of their energy from others, but still remain shy and even quiet.

Most people do not understand how to differentiate between introversion and extroversion. In fact, most grossly misunderstand the terms.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 03:33 AM
O.K so you know more than the "New Oxford American Dictionary"?
If you knew anything about psychology you would know that scientific definitions are often different to lay-people's definitions. Even psychologists don't agree on what introversion means. Its the same for many other sciences.
To me it sounds like someone is an introvert and desperately wants Federer to be one too (i can relate to that).

This is a naive post. For example an ENTP is far more similar to an INTP than an ISFP is. INTPs and ISFPs are extremely far removed from each other on the whole, despite sharing the trait of introversion.

DeShaun
09-13-2012, 03:35 AM
Yes, on an other note djoker seems to be least arrogant among the big 3 outside tennis courts ofcourse.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/34/955/1024/Federer5579.jpg

Back to my earlier claim that introverts do not tend to seek attention by dying their hair or throwing temper tantrums both of which behaviors Federer acted out when he was younger, more unbridled in his actions, nearer to being his unrefined, natural self than the polished salesman that he is today. He is an extrovert in my view. He knows well the value in setting goals and delaying his gratification, and this is why he chose to become so stoic on court.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 03:37 AM
Back to my earlier claim that introverts do not tend to seek attention by dying their hair or throwing temper tantrums both of which behaviors Federer acted out.

It happens, brah. A lot of introverts will still be deeply connected with individuality and fashion and such, and a lot of the angriest people I know are introverts. Good claim though, scientifically proven. You win. :twisted:

Emet74
09-13-2012, 03:55 AM
Well Fed has often spoken of himself as naturally shy though he's worked to overcome that. Here's him talking about how tennis success helped his social confidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpVD-6roq8

Whether shyness and introversion is the same thing is another issue. Fed has also said he enjoys having people around, and Annacone has talked about how much more social Fed is than Sampras. But Fed likes to spend time w/ people in a casual way, lounging by the pool, playing cards, meeting in restaurants. He's not a night-club partier type person.

So make of that what you will :)

effortless
09-13-2012, 04:08 AM
This is a naive post. For example an ENTP is far more similar to an INTP than an ISFP is. INTPs and ISFPs are extremely far removed from each other on the whole, despite sharing the trait of introversion.

You didn't even say why its a naive post....

"Also Myers- Briggs type indicator" is one of thousands of psychometric measures of personality. Why are you so fixated on it? This post is about whether Federer is introverted or not. It's not about how Federer fits into Myer-Briggs type indicator.

Since you will probably perceive me to be attacking you personally i will just summarise my previous posts:
- introversion can be defined in a variety of ways (depending on the psychologist or dictionary etc.)
- Since people seem to disagree whether federer is an introvert or an extravert he is probably somewhere in the middle of the scale.
- There is fundamentally no way of knowing whether federer is an introvert or not
- As a fan I like to think Federer is an introvert

effortless
09-13-2012, 04:10 AM
Well Fed has often spoken of himself as naturally shy though he's worked to overcome that. Here's him talking about how tennis success helped his social confidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpVD-6roq8

Whether shyness and introversion is the same thing is another issue. Fed has also said he enjoys having people around, and Annacone has talked about how much more social Fed is than Sampras. But Fed likes to spend time w/ people in a casual way, lounging by the pool, playing cards, meeting in restaurants. He's not a night-club partier type person.

So make of that what you will :)

Thats a good post :)

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 05:32 AM
You didn't even say why its a naive post....

"Also Myers- Briggs type indicator" is one of thousands of psychometric measures of personality. Why are you so fixated on it? This post is about whether Federer is introverted or not. It's not about how Federer fits into Myer-Briggs type indicator.

Since you will probably perceive me to be attacking you personally i will just summarise my previous posts:
- introversion can be defined in a variety of ways (depending on the psychologist or dictionary etc.)
- Since people seem to disagree whether federer is an introvert or an extravert he is probably somewhere in the middle of the scale.
- There is fundamentally no way of knowing whether federer is an introvert or not
- As a fan I like to think Federer is an introvert

I answered why IMMEDIATELY after. I am fixated on the point that introversion or extroversion by any measure is only one part of the puzzle regardless of which system you use, ergo, your suggestion is deeply flawed because the correlation of overall likeness from person to person is marginalised when only looking at this simple aspect. Many extroverts will be more similar to introverts than introverts are to introverts and vice versa. I thought this point was very clear, and it's bizarre that you have accused me of not saying why your assertion was naive when I had already done so.

Regarding your points.

a. agree
b. I've always maintained it's a spectrum and Federer's case is not clear cut
c. well there kind of is, we'd kidnap him and force him to take some tests
d. As a fan I don't give a damn if Federer is either/or in terms of it relating to me personally, I am just interested in what is.

*Val*
09-13-2012, 05:38 AM
Who gives a ****? Fed's probably somewhere in between, it's not like there are two opposite poles called 'extrovert' and 'introvert' and you can only be one or the other. Murray is definitely an introvert though, at least for the media.

TaihtDuhShaat
09-13-2012, 08:05 AM
For a long time, I though that Roger was either an ESFJ or an ESFP, but after watching a zillion videos of these types, despite much of the descriptions fitting Roger, and the fact that his propensity for having a long-term plan for his career is more likely to constitute J, they just seem too outwardly extroverted as types to really fit Roger.

If I had to guess, I would suggest that Roger is an ISFP, but I really don't know. What I do know is that it's almost impossible that he is an NT. I'm still not settled on this view, but it's amazing how much Roger reminds me of the couple of ISFPs I have known well in my lifetime, but the realisation of this only occurred recently.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html

For other tennis pros, well it's difficult but here are some guesses.

Djokovic - ESTJ
Murray - ISTP I suppose.
Sampras - ISTP
Nadal - no idea, but the one I have considered the most is ISTJ
Agassi - not sure, maybe ESFP

Close with ISFP, but:

When INTJ's are tired, they fallback on using their last 2 functions:

Fi and Se

Which also happen to be the 1st and 2nd functions of the ISFP.

So the reason you are guessing Roger is an ISFP is because he is always tired! From tennis!

Djokovic- ENFJ
Nadal- ISTP

-RF-
09-13-2012, 08:13 AM
Murray is the ultimate intravert, djokovic the extravert. Nadal is introverted, Federer a tiny bit.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 08:24 AM
Close with ISFP, but:

When INTJ's are tired, they fallback on using their last 2 functions:

Fi and Se

Which also happen to be the 1st and 2nd functions of the ISFP.

So the reason you are guessing Roger is an ISFP is because he is always tired! From tennis!

Djokovic- ENFJ
Nadal- ISTP

I'd bet my right bollock that Federer is not an INTJ. I've known and interacted with far too many of them. Roger is far removed.

I agree that Nadal might be an ISTP.

smoledman
09-13-2012, 08:29 AM
This thread is more proof that 90% of TT threads are clownish. Federer routinely does 3 hours of interviews during grand slams and always has a smile on his face.

Warmaster
09-13-2012, 08:37 AM
Federer is winning the poll!

RF20Lennon
09-13-2012, 08:38 AM
This thread is more proof that 90% of TT threads are clownish. Federer routinely does 3 hours of interviews during grand slams and always has a smile on his face.

Yeah after winning the FO in 2009 the match finished at 6 or 7 fed went Horace to the hotel at 1am it was on some intervene the next day!

TaihtDuhShaat
09-13-2012, 08:51 AM
From Socionics:

"INTjs (...) face angularity and composition of the features, like cheekbone and eyebrow arcs. Secondly their facial expression is often accepted as emotionless and severe.

"ISFps (...) Their faces are usually smooth and round without any obvious projections.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 08:57 AM
From Socionics:

"INTjs (...) face angularity and composition of the features, like cheekbone and eyebrow arcs. Secondly their facial expression is often accepted as emotionless and severe.

"ISFps (...) Their faces are usually smooth and round without any obvious projections.

Question, do you know any INTJs and are you one yourself?

More apt would be to read descriptions of the two types rather than referring to these visual traits (INTJs have a severe expression and would be caught dead before pulling a face like the one in my avatar btw, Fed is an uber dork).

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html

TaihtDuhShaat
09-13-2012, 09:02 AM
My younger brother is an INTJ, and we have both been studying Myers-Briggs in depth for a few years now. BTW- he plays tennis EXACTLY like Fed. (And was a Nadal fan when he was younger!)

I am an INTP.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 09:13 AM
My younger brother is an INTJ, and we have both been studying Myers-Briggs in depth for a few years now. BTW- he plays tennis EXACTLY like Fed. (And was a Nadal fan when he was younger!)

I am an INTP.

I figured at least some sort of NT type.

Nobody can agree on a likely consensus for Roger Federer and there aren't many discussions about it either. He seems to have virtually no qualities of any typical NT type, he's about sensations and experiences rather than intellectualism and theories. NTs as you know only make up 10-15 ish % of the population and are likely extremely rare in the world of sports, unlike the sensors who were made for this kind of heavy duty action.

I do wonder how many people would read that INTJ profile and liken it to Roger Federer. INTJs are very forward with their ideas and opinions and aren't the least bit scared of upsetting the status quo to get them across. Someone like Nadal is more likely to be an INTJ to my mind, with how eloquently his translated Spanish comes across, and how philosophical his approach is. Federer by contrast talks about things in a much more straight forward manner and doesn't tend to theories and possibilities but judges what is and relates things to his 5 senses. (BTW I don't think Nadal is an INTJ, just a much more likely one than Federer).

TaihtDuhShaat
09-13-2012, 09:17 AM
That's what I'm here for (INTP), to combine new ideas (likening Federer to an INTJ) and show someone a different way of thinking.

I respect your view and am happy that we had a debate rather than pure flame throwing.

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 09:19 AM
That's what I'm here for (INTP), to combine new ideas (likening Federer to an INTJ) and show someone a different way of thinking.

I respect your view and am happy that we had a debate rather than pure flame throwing.

Yeh, well that's what usually happens when one INTP talks to another.

Sri
09-13-2012, 09:20 AM
He's just peRFect. Guards his privacy but always connects with the people.

Federer for president!

WhiskeyEE
09-13-2012, 10:53 AM
Question, do you know any INTJs and are you one yourself?

More apt would be to read descriptions of the two types rather than referring to these visual traits (INTJs have a severe expression and would be caught dead before pulling a face like the one in my avatar btw, Fed is an uber dork).

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html

I got INTJ every time I've done it and I don't mind making faces and whatnot. I was a very weak J though.

INTJ master race.

But good call whoever brought up his emotional tendencies. Benneteau mentioned at Wimbledon that he was 2 sets down and showed nothing. He has been known as a bit of a robot that way his entire career. Extroverts typically show a lot of emotion.

wangs78
09-13-2012, 11:04 AM
I think Roger is an extrovert in the sense that he consciously makes an effort to engage with people. The fact that he is a global celebrity has made this side of his persona the dominant side because he constantly has opportunities to engage with the media, fans, etc. While he is not an introvert, I also do not think he is the kind of natural extrovert in the sense that I don't think he is naturally charismatic (like a Bill Clinton, or in tennis, maybe a Marat Safin). Using Marat as an example, Marat was clearly a party animal (and perhaps still is) but who knows was he extroverted or was he the brooding type who just liked the nightlife? In other words, I don't think Roger is someone who naturally has the gift to connect with people (again I don't think he's that charismatic, his post-match interviews often sound a little stiff and his humor is too dry, but maybe that's his Swiss side). But on the other hand, he clearly does engage fully with the media, his fans etc. so...

Nathaniel_Near
09-13-2012, 11:18 AM
I got INTJ every time I've done it and I don't mind making faces and whatnot. I was a very weak J though.

INTJ master race.

But good call whoever brought up his emotional tendencies. Benneteau mentioned at Wimbledon that he was 2 sets down and showed nothing. He has been known as a bit of a robot that way his entire career. Extroverts typically show a lot of emotion.

Yeh, I can imagine after a while he has to let some of it out as a result of harbouring constantly accrued pent up energy. He's almost shy to look at his box at times as well, it's interesting.

helloworld
09-13-2012, 08:03 PM
I think Roger is an extrovert in the sense that he consciously makes an effort to engage with people. The fact that he is a global celebrity has made this side of his persona the dominant side because he constantly has opportunities to engage with the media, fans, etc. While he is not an introvert, I also do not think he is the kind of natural extrovert in the sense that I don't think he is naturally charismatic (like a Bill Clinton, or in tennis, maybe a Marat Safin). Using Marat as an example, Marat was clearly a party animal (and perhaps still is) but who knows was he extroverted or was he the brooding type who just liked the nightlife? In other words, I don't think Roger is someone who naturally has the gift to connect with people (again I don't think he's that charismatic, his post-match interviews often sound a little stiff and his humor is too dry, but maybe that's his Swiss side). But on the other hand, he clearly does engage fully with the media, his fans etc. so...

You have wrong understanding of extrovert vs introvert. Introvert has to make efforts to engage people because engaging people drains their energy and they need to recharge. Extrovert people gets energy from engaging with people. There are many introvert celebrities out there, and it is hard to identify which one is introvert or extrovert because we don't know whether socializing drains their energy or not.

timnz
09-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Yeh, well that's what usually happens when one INTP talks to another.

Another INTP writing here! I wonder if that is a usual profile of this forum?

Nathaniel_Near
09-14-2012, 02:19 AM
Another INTP writing here! I wonder if that is a usual profile of this forum?

INTPs have a large cybernetic presence, though they will still be a minority here compared to at least some other types.

kalyan4fedever
09-14-2012, 02:46 AM
fed playing davis cup now did not realize

monfed
09-14-2012, 08:04 PM
I think Mirka's the introvert in the Federer family. :)

MTF07
09-15-2012, 08:00 AM
I always connected with the type of guy like Djoker.. You can tell he came from more humble beginnings and was more of a guy you see that came from a war-torn country like Serbia.. He seems WAY more down to earth then someone like Fed.

Fed strikes me as someone who grew up well to do, with a silver spoon in his mouth from the minute he was born.. I could never connect with anyone like that

Oh please. You're making Fed out to be Sampras.

Fugazi
09-15-2012, 08:57 AM
I think Roger is an extrovert in the sense that he consciously makes an effort to engage with people. The fact that he is a global celebrity has made this side of his persona the dominant side because he constantly has opportunities to engage with the media, fans, etc. While he is not an introvert, I also do not think he is the kind of natural extrovert in the sense that I don't think he is naturally charismatic (like a Bill Clinton, or in tennis, maybe a Marat Safin). Using Marat as an example, Marat was clearly a party animal (and perhaps still is) but who knows was he extroverted or was he the brooding type who just liked the nightlife? In other words, I don't think Roger is someone who naturally has the gift to connect with people (again I don't think he's that charismatic, his post-match interviews often sound a little stiff and his humor is too dry, but maybe that's his Swiss side). But on the other hand, he clearly does engage fully with the media, his fans etc. so...
If he "consciously makes an effort to engage with people", then... he's an introvert.