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Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 04:13 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

PrinceMoron
09-14-2012, 04:28 AM
Strange choice for someone who plays with all that low risk big clearance over the net stuff.

On the other hand Goran would probably enjoy Russian roulette.

Matheson
09-14-2012, 04:33 AM
Poker isn't a gamble if you know how to win.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 04:46 AM
... because we live in a world where its a perfectly ordinary activity promoted by the State for its revenue benefits.

jmverdugo
09-14-2012, 04:54 AM
... it is the same world where we blame other for our loses and rather not have control of our lives than be responsible for our actions, he is not pointing a gun at you to make you play, if you want to go ahead and lose your money is your problem not his...

batz
09-14-2012, 05:12 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

Why not? Gambling is a perfectly acceptable recreational activity.

batz
09-14-2012, 05:12 AM
... because we live in a world is a perfectly ordinary activity promoted by the State for its revenue benefits.

Not in the UK they don't - there is no tax on gambling.

Sartorius
09-14-2012, 05:15 AM
Strange choice for someone who plays with all that low risk big clearance over the net stuff.

This made me giggle.


On one hand it looks cheesy on Nadal for obvious reasons, but on the other hand it's not big deal at all. He very probably likes playing it and he can do what he wants. And as the poster above me says it's an acknowledged activity.

For what it's worth, I think the Shakira thing was much worse, but that's just me.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 05:38 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

Do you really think being squeaky clean is a good thing? Respect, honor, integrity, grace? What are you a square?

Sartorius
09-14-2012, 05:42 AM
Do you really think being squeaky clean is a good thing? Respect, honor, integrity, grace? What are you a girl/gay? (he changed it to "a square" :D)

Yup, hear from *** boys and you poor girls: disrespect, disgrace, dishonesty, and unkindness... It's the multi-account user's way. It's the *** way.

DeShaun
09-14-2012, 05:47 AM
maybe he's moving away from tennis and testing his skills as a general pitchman? if tennis is wrecking his physique so that he will look forward to considerable discomfort in old age, he is wise to stop the hemorrhaging so to speak.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 05:52 AM
Isn't part of gambling revenue siphoned off for socially beneficial activities in sporting and cultural areas in the uk. This is a kind of taxation which of course just doesn't end up in general revenue.




... because we live in a world is a perfectly ordinary activity promoted by the State for its revenue benefits.

Not in the UK they don't - there is no tax on gambling.

mistik
09-14-2012, 06:01 AM
This deal is going to make his bank accounts larger and thats the most important thing for him.Good image only needed in the beginning of your career not in the end.No ones cares what kind of an image you have after the retirement and he is pretty much at the end of his career.Make most of it before it is too late.

batz
09-14-2012, 06:08 AM
[QUOTE=Bartelby;6898876]Isn't part of gambling revenue siphoned off for socially beneficial activities in sporting and cultural areas in the uk. This is a kind of taxation which of course just doesn't end up in general revenue.






Only the National Lottery (which funded much of Team GB and Paralypic GB success plus lots of charity work) - but there is no gambling tax anymore. It used to be 10% of your stake or winnings.

Russeljones
09-14-2012, 06:11 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

Might as well ask ROnnie O'Sullivan that. It pays so they do it, it's not rocket science. The more money he has the more he can give away. I know that's a troubling thought for some, charity that is.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 06:15 AM
Local governments take big cuts from racing, casino and poker machine revenue where I live, but they don't tax the gambler directly.

Cesc Fabregas
09-14-2012, 06:20 AM
Because it's legal and he gets paid a lot of money. You some kind of moralist?

The_Order
09-14-2012, 06:23 AM
The same reason Federer promoted women's hand bags

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01680/roger-federer_1680675i.jpg

vive le beau jeu !
09-14-2012, 06:26 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Serena+Williams+Elton+John+17th+Annual+World+Gxv95 rlTRZkl.jpg

batz
09-14-2012, 06:29 AM
Local governments take big cuts from racing, casino and poker machine revenue where I live, but they don't tax the gambler directly.

Local government doesn't tax anything other than property in the UK. That's the only tax revenue they can raise.

Scottish Parliament has a theoretical ability to raise/lower income tax by up to 3% but it has never used this power and is unlikely to use it in the future.

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 06:34 AM
Some amusing replies. Some reasonable ones. Gambling is an addiction which can ruin lives and he's a role model.

No better than him promoting cigarettes.

Just surprised he's happy to put his name to such an activity.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 06:39 AM
Because he needs a yacht,and wanted a new Ferrari. Nadal has done just about anything for money for a while now. He doesn't care what he slaps his name to as long as he gets paid for it no matter how detrimental to his health or career it might be. Class is something truly foreign to him and always will be.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 06:40 AM
I meant regional or state government here as they have sovereign taxing powers here.



Local government doesn't tax anything other than property in the UK. That's the only tax revenue they can raise.

Scottish Parliament has a theoretical ability to raise/lower income tax by up to 3% but it has never used this power and is unlikely to use it in the future.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 06:41 AM
You can drink and gamble responsibly, but smoking is harmful even when enjoyed in moderation.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 06:51 AM
Because he needs a yacht,and wanted a new Ferrari. Nadal has done just about anything for money for a while now. He doesn't care what he slaps his name to as long as he gets paid for it no matter how detrimental to his health or career it might be. Class is something truly foreign to him and always will be.

"Class" is just a complimentary way of describing a square/sissy. You can't disguise it.
http://tenniselbowroom.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/federer-crying-aust-open-091.jpg

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 06:57 AM
"Class" is just a complimentary way of describing a square/sissy. You can't disguise it.
http://tenniselbowroom.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/federer-crying-aust-open-091.jpg



Nope. You would never see Fed promoting something as low brow as gambling. Nadal,otoh,will next be endorsing Viagra,Valtrex,and Trojans,as those kinds of things fit with exactly who he is. Lol.

Sentinel
09-14-2012, 06:57 AM
Because he needs a yacht,and wanted a new Ferrari. Nadal has done just about anything for money for a while now. He doesn't care what he slaps his name to as long as he gets paid for it no matter how detrimental to his health or career it might be. Class is something truly foreign to him and always will be.

Poast of the week. You have me laughing so hard, Clarky. You need to go easy on the kid. What he does off court is his business, poor chap doesn't need to be audited and examined by the entire sports community.

I am sure Nads has enough to buy a fleet of yachts and Ferraris and anything else he could care for. I don't know what Poker is, but he must find it fun. Maybe there's a lot of "high society" there and he wants to get into it.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 06:59 AM
Nope. You would never see Fed promoting something as low brow as gambling. Nadal,otoh,will next be endorsing Viagra,Valtrex,and Trojans,as those kinds of things fit with exactly who he is. Lol.

Are you saying protection is bad? Are you saying prescription drugs are bad? Do you even know the difference between good and bad?

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 07:00 AM
Poast of the week. You have me laughing so hard, Clarky. You need to go easy on the kid. What he does off court is his business, poor chap doesn't need to be audited and examined by the entire sports community.

I am sure Nads has enough to buy a fleet of yachts and Ferraris and anything else he could care for. I don't know what Poker is, but he must find it fun. Maybe there's a lot of "high society" there and he wants to get into it.



Nadal does not even play poker. Pokerstar$ is trying to teach him how to play it because he has no idea how. Hopefully,he will fail and won't learn squat. It's an embarrassing endorsement,even though I know you will insist it isn't.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 07:02 AM
Poast of the week. You have me laughing so hard, Clarky. You need to go easy on the kid. What he does off court is his business, poor chap doesn't need to be audited and examined by the entire sports community.

I am sure Nads has enough to buy a fleet of yachts and Ferraris and anything else he could care for. I don't know what Poker is, but he must find it fun. Maybe there's a lot of "high society" there and he wants to get into it.

Clarky21 has described himself as a Nadal fan. Yet he is the biggest Nadal hater on the internet. I just put him on my ignore list a minute ago. He reminds me of the loon that stabbed Seles. Should be behind bars, as I know he's capable of doing the same harm to Nadal.

Russeljones
09-14-2012, 07:05 AM
Some amusing replies. Some reasonable ones. Gambling is an addiction which can ruin lives and he's a role model.

No better than him promoting cigarettes.

Just surprised he's happy to put his name to such an activity.

Gambling is a way to pass time and entertain one self. If you read books you will find people can be addicted to practically everything.

Not surprised this is being used to bash Nadal though.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 07:07 AM
Are you saying protection is bad? Are you saying prescription drugs are bad? Do you even know the difference between good and bad?



You don't get it. I meant that he will slap his name to anything if it pays him enough. It does't matter what light it puts him in,or how embarrassing it might be.

For example: Endorsing Viagra is admitting you can't get it up,and is therefore embarrassing. Endorsing Valtrex is admitting you have probably gotten around quite a bit,and have an incurable,highly contagious std and is therefore embarrassing. Trojans wouldn't be as bad,but still low brow and embarrassing. Do you get what I'm saying now or do you need a visual aid?

And does Nadal really have to slap his name to anything that comes along? Is he broke? Does he have no other options? The answer to all of those questions is no,so why does he do it?

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 07:08 AM
Clarky21 has described himself as a Nadal fan. Yet he is the biggest Nadal hater on the internet. I just put him on my ignore list a minute ago. He reminds me of the loon that stabbed Seles. Should be behind bars, as I know he's capable of doing the same harm to Nadal.



I am not a he,*********,and you crossed the line with your silly Seles attacker comparisons. Hopefully,this latest incarnation gets banned just like your other 500 incarnations.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:09 AM
lol

OP, do you only associate gambling with bankruptcy and torn families? Nadal's mind is quite evidently much more expansive than yours.

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 07:15 AM
lol

OP, do you only associate gambling with bankruptcy and torn families? Nadal's mind is quite evidently much more expansive than yours.

No, only his wallet.

Sentinel
09-14-2012, 07:16 AM
You don't get it. I meant that he will slap his name to anything if it pays him enough. It does't matter what light it puts him in,or how embarrassing it might be.

For example: Endorsing Viagra is admitting you can't get it up,and is therefore embarrassing. Endorsing Valtrex is admitting you have probably gotten around quite a bit,and have an incurable,highly contagious std and is therefore embarrassing. Trojans wouldn't be as bad,but still low brow and embarrassing. Do you get what I'm saying now or do you need a visual aid?

And does Nadal really have to slap his name to anything that comes along? Is he broke? Does he have no other options? The answer to all of those questions is no,so why does he do it?

Maybe Rafa needs a wife like Mirka who can tell him what to do. (Although, there will be the odd case when she gets him to wear some feminine handbag or something silly, for which I am sure you will barbecue him :) ).

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 07:16 AM
Gambling is a way to pass time and entertain one self. If you read books you will find people can be addicted to practically everything.

Not surprised this is being used to bash Nadal though.

And yet I like him. It's just a valid criticism. He's not impeachable.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:17 AM
No, only his wallet.

Debate =/...

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:19 AM
Some amusing replies. Some reasonable ones. Gambling is an addiction which can ruin lives and he's a role model.

No better than him promoting cigarettes.

Just surprised he's happy to put his name to such an activity.

They're amusing because they aren't narrow minded and instead are open to the possibility that "light gambling" can be actually a very fun and mentally stimulating exercise.

You're way too caught up in this World of let's not break any rules and be Mr Perfect. Although it seems the case, Nadal isn't as boring as you initially thought.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:21 AM
And yet I like him. It's just a valid criticism. He's not impeachable.

No. Everything and anything can be addictive. Let's criticise Djokovic for promoting cap wearing. As after-all obsessive cap wearing can have a detrimental affect on one's scalp and in the long term cause hair loss.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 07:22 AM
And yet I like him. It's just a valid criticism. He's not impeachable.

It's not even a criticism. The most prolific gambler in sport is Michael Jordan. He spends most nights gambling his brains out. Yet nobody minds at all. It only speaks to his reputation as a legendary competitor. Who else competes as hard as Jordan? Rafael Nadal.

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 07:27 AM
They're amusing because they aren't narrow minded and instead are open to the possibility that "light gambling" can be actually a very fun and mentally stimulating exercise.

You're way too caught up in this World of let's not break any rules and be Mr Perfect. Although it seems the case, Nadal isn't as boring as you initially thought.

Mr Perfect? I just don't like losing my money. That's not perfection, it's common sense.

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 07:29 AM
It's not even a criticism. The most prolific gambler in sport is Michael Jordan. He spends most nights gambling his brains out. Yet nobody minds at all. It only speaks to his reputation as a legendary competitor. Who else competes as hard as Jordan? Rafael Nadal.

Well if Jordan starts promoting it as healthy activity then he's in the same boat as Nadal.

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 07:31 AM
No. Everything and anything can be addictive. Let's criticise Djokovic for promoting cap wearing. As after-all obsessive cap wearing can have a detrimental affect on one's scalp and in the long term cause hair loss.

Addiction is a problem when it is destructive. Your reply is completely ridiculous.

I think a lot of people on this forum are defending this because they like gambling. If they don't, and are defending it regardless, my best guess is they like Nadal and can't stomach the idea of criticism.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:36 AM
Mr Perfect? I just don't like losing my money. That's not perfection, it's common sense.

...but you see, that's the problem, you are only thinking about yourself, how you would feel. Has it ever occurred to you that may be some people are ready to lose a small amount in the aid of fun? To you, going to the cinema and watching a movie is fun and you are paying for it. To them, going to a poker tournament and playing a card game with the possibility to win back their money + more is fun and they are paying for that.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 07:39 AM
Addiction is a problem when it is destructive. Your reply is completely ridiculous.

I think a lot of people on this forum are defending this because they like gambling. If they don't, and are defending it regardless, my best guess is they like Nadal and can't stomach the idea of criticism.

Losing hair is not destructive? Men lose confidence, self esteem and then find it hard approaching women. Sorry, this destructive stuff is completely subjective and you are suggesting all people who gamble lack an ability to do so moderately. You are also suggesting all people who gamble, gamble to make money, not true. If you are not gambling to make money, how could it ever lead to destructiveness?

Stop thinking, clearly not your forte. People are defending it because they are open minded and they can relate to people who like to live a little.

mistik
09-14-2012, 07:40 AM
To promote gambling is low class.You can gamble in your life.My family does.My mum and dad even go to vacations for gambling since it forbidden in my country the last 10 years.İs gambling can be fun ? Believe me No,in the long run.
There are some great card games like Brigade.Poker isnt one of them.You need some skills in poker but mostly it is iuck.The funny thing that poker community trying to promote it like a mind sport like Brigade.

smash hit
09-14-2012, 07:50 AM
No. Everything and anything can be addictive. Let's criticise Djokovic for promoting cap wearing. As after-all obsessive cap wearing can have a detrimental affect on one's scalp and in the long term cause hair loss.

Or Federer for promoting chocolate amidst an epidemic of obesity.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 07:50 AM
Losing hair is not destructive? Men lose confidence, self esteem and then find it hard approaching women. Sorry, this destructive stuff is completely subjective and you are suggesting all people who gamble lack an ability to do so moderately. You are also suggesting all people who gamble, gamble to make money, not true. If you are not gambling to make money, how could it ever lead to destructiveness?

Stop thinking, clearly not your forte. People are defending it because they are open minded and they can relate to people who like to live a little.


I cannot believe you are comparing going bald to the devastation that gambling addiction can cause. Does losing one's hair cause them to lose their house? Their job? Their family? Their car? Does losing hair cause someone to steal,lie,and cheat to get their gambling fix? They are at total opposite ends of the destruction spectrum,and comparing the two is just plain ridiculous.

batz
09-14-2012, 07:57 AM
Some amusing replies. Some reasonable ones. Gambling is an addiction which can ruin lives and he's a role model.

No better than him promoting cigarettes.

Just surprised he's happy to put his name to such an activity.

No - gambling can lead to addiction that can ruin lives. It can also bring pleasure to millions and cause no harm whatsoever. Your analogy with smoking is just silly - smoking is always harmful, gambling is not.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 08:04 AM
I cannot believe you are comparing going bald to the devastation that gambling addiction can cause. Does losing one's hair cause them to lose their house? Their job? Their family? Their car? Does losing hair cause someone to steal,lie,and cheat to get their gambling fix? They are at total opposite ends of the destruction spectrum,and comparing the two is just plain ridiculous.

Stop being pedantic. You knew the point of the comparison.

mistik
09-14-2012, 08:05 AM
No - gambling can lead to addiction that can ruin lives. It can also bring pleasure to millions and cause no harm whatsoever. Your analogy with smoking is just silly - smoking is always harmful, gambling is not.

Yes it isnt the same thing for sure but the thing is if the laws allow ı can see Rafa promoting responsible smoking as well.Anyway let the guy does what the hell he wants.He doesnt deserve that much attention anymore in my book.

President
09-14-2012, 08:19 AM
I cannot believe you are comparing going bald to the devastation that gambling addiction can cause. Does losing one's hair cause them to lose their house? Their job? Their family? Their car? Does losing hair cause someone to steal,lie,and cheat to get their gambling fix? They are at total opposite ends of the destruction spectrum,and comparing the two is just plain ridiculous.

I have to ask, are you actually a fan of Rafael Nadal? Or any tennis player, for that matter? You claim to be a Nadal fan but only post negative things about him, and I haven't seen you say anything positive about other players either.

Vrad
09-14-2012, 08:55 AM
It's not even a criticism. The most prolific gambler in sport is Michael Jordan. He spends most nights gambling his brains out. Yet nobody minds at all. It only speaks to his reputation as a legendary competitor. Who else competes as hard as Jordan? Rafael Nadal.

Are you serious? Michael Jordan, and the league, have spent tons of money, and taken huge measures to HIDE the fact that MJ is a huge gambler.

I can't believe you are using that as a way to bolster Nadal's endorsement of gambling as being okay, because it actually shows the exact opposite.

kragster
09-14-2012, 09:04 AM
Most people who have some level of skill at poker do not consider it to be gambling. Sure, if you're a newbie who doesn't know how to play then it probably seems like gambling. But probabilities and strategy play a huge role in poker unlike some other casino games.

In all other games you are expected to lose money in the long run because you play against the house and the house always has more favorable odds than you. In poker, since you play vs each other, a skilled player can easily come out on top 80+% of the time. if you have a good understanding of probabilities and game theory, you are far more likely to come out on top. Luck still plays a role but luck plays a role in EVERYTHING in life.

Are there people who have lost their house on poker? Sure. But there are people who ate too much chocolate and died.Before you guys demonize poker, read up a little bit about it. If you're someone that likes math you will probably love poker. If you consider investing in the stock market as gambling then yes poker is gambling as well. Otherwise it is a game of high skill where IN THE LONG RUN luck cancels out.

Homeboy Hotel
09-14-2012, 09:07 AM
Nadal gambled all his earnings away and now can't afford a racquet or a pair of shoes hence being away from tour for the last 3 months.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 09:08 AM
Nadal gambled all his earnings away and now can't afford a racquet or a pair of shoes hence being away from tour for the last 3 months.

Comedian. :oops: for you

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 09:11 AM
I have to ask, are you actually a fan of Rafael Nadal? Or any tennis player, for that matter? You claim to be a Nadal fan but only post negative things about him, and I haven't seen you say anything positive about other players either.


Then you aren't paying attention.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 09:19 AM
Yes it isnt the same thing for sure but the thing is if the laws allow ı can see Rafa promoting responsible smoking as well.Anyway let the guy does what the hell he wants.He doesnt deserve that much attention anymore in my book.


You have a point here. Not sure why he is even being discussed since he's been out for months now,and probably won't even be back. Plus,ignoring this pitiful endorsement will hopefully cause it to fail,which is exactly what it deserves.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 09:29 AM
Are you serious? Michael Jordan, and the league, have spent tons of money, and taken huge measures to HIDE the fact that MJ is a huge gambler.

I can't believe you are using that as a way to bolster Nadal's endorsement of gambling as being okay, because it actually shows the exact opposite.

The world loves Jordan, so it proves gambling is all good. If your friend gambled, would you stop calling him your friend? Are you that shallow? I doubt Nadal's fans are as shallow as you.

Russeljones
09-14-2012, 09:30 AM
The world loves Jordan, so it proves gambling is all good. If your friend gambled, would you stop calling him your friend? Are you that shallow?

Your avatar is the shizznit.

I think this thread can be locked now.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 09:32 AM
Your avatar is the shizznit.

I think this thread can be locked now.

I agree my avatar and gambling are both worth promoting.

zagor
09-14-2012, 09:44 AM
OP, why the hell do you care if he is or if he isn't?

Seriously, if you like his game and intensity/passion he displays on court that's fine, what he does off court is his own business.

PrinceMoron
09-14-2012, 09:49 AM
OP, why the hell do you care if he is or if he isn't?

Seriously, if you like his game and intensity/passion he displays on court that's fine, what he does off court is his own business.

He encouraged me to put money on Federer winning Wimbledon this year, shame on him but then again it wasn't a gamble it was a sure thing.

underground
09-14-2012, 09:49 AM
So it's a new ad? Saw it yesterday while watching Celebrity Juice. :)

ATP100
09-14-2012, 11:37 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

He does?

Only on these boards.... Not in the real world.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 11:55 AM
While he's maybe not Mr Squeaky Clean, he certainly commands respect in the tennis world as a man of honour, integrity, and grace. He's a warrior on the court and one of the greatest players ever.

Yet he cheapens himself to advertise gambling? It's not like he needs the cash.

Why, Rafa, why?

Notice how Nadal's endorsements are always the cool things, while Federer's endorsements are the boring things? If you like squeaky clean, you'll like Federer (unless you read his post-match interview transcripts).

BevelDevil
09-14-2012, 01:19 PM
Poker is a game of skill, unlike lotteries, dice and slots.

Think of it as paying to compete in a tennis tournament, where most of the revenues will be distributed to the top finishing players.

The young kids who have come to dominate the game and make a living at it did so by using the tools found in game theory and finance.

Browse through this article to see the thought process of one of the top pros of the game:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/8018-poker-strategy-phil-galfond-talks-about-three-barreling


In the last 10 years, the image of poker has changed drastically. It is not uncommon to see on TV "classy", rich, successful people playing poker, sometimes for a worthy charity.

Hopefully, next year we'll see Nadal playing poker on TV and making some smart moves against Boris Becker. That'll be good for tennis and poker.

Fastpace Ace
09-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Why not? Gambling is a perfectly acceptable recreational activity.
Boom. This.

Sid_Vicious
09-14-2012, 01:41 PM
The same reason Federer promoted women's hand bags



I did LOL. :)

Danny_G13
09-14-2012, 01:57 PM
The two threads I've started today have unearthed this forum's inner bowels, warts and all.

It's been quite an education.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 02:46 PM
You have a point here. Not sure why he is even being discussed since he's been out for months now,and probably won't even be back. Plus,ignoring this pitiful endorsement will hopefully cause it to fail,which is exactly what it deserves.

Oh how thick-ale people are. I'm not even a Nadal fan, but you are being someone that simply goes with the waves. This guy was involved in the best match in the history of the game, he created a rivalry between him and Federer when everyone was bored of it jus being Federer, Federer, Federer. He's excelled Federer's level to another extent. I don't know what you offer this board apart from short-sighted comments and no this is not because I have a differing opinion, it's because you view tennis in a very superficial way.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 02:56 PM
Oh how thick-ale people are. I'm not even a Nadal fan, but you are being someone that simply goes with the waves. This guy was involved in the best match in the history of the game, he created a rivalry between him and Federer when everyone was bored of it jus being Federer, Federer, Federer. He's excelled Federer's level to another extent. I don't know what you offer this board apart from short-sighted comments and no this is not because I have a differing opinion, it's because you view tennis in a very superficial way.



I'm assuming you are referring to Wimby 2008? Well,if you are,that match was over 4 years ago so how is it relevant to what is currently happening within the game? Nadal has not played a match since June. He,at this point in time,is irrelevant to the game. It's not superficial to say so,either.

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 02:57 PM
I'm assuming you are referring to Wimby 2008? Well,if you are,that match was over 4 years ago so how is it relevant to what is currently happening within the game? Nadal has not played a match since June. He,at this point in time,is irrelevant to the game. It's not superficial to say so,either.

Nadal created a legacy and you are quick to dismiss it, to me you are not a true fan of the game.

cork_screw
09-14-2012, 03:10 PM
Dude, he could be promoting dog food if they paid him a good asking price.

You wanna really know the logic behind it?

How much does gambling bring in? When you go to vegas and they comp you with a Kobe Beef Steak dinner and Lobster flown in fresh from Maine the day before and that meal is free, guess what they are very well to do because they generate a ton of dough. They can make that happen for you and on their part, it is no risk.

Guess what? A sponsor that deals in making money in which they generate a great sum of it daily, can make very attractive offers and bait anyone to advertising whatever they want.

Why is Fed endorsing Rolex and not Elgin Co. pocket watch company? Because Rolex just like the Casinos and Gambling enterprises are RICH and can afford to offer bigger bribes to pay them off to say whatever they want to say and they know they will get a bigger portion of the pie back with all the people who are going to flock to their site, buy an expensive watch just because Rafa or Roger is talking up their name. That is why. If you are loaded with money you can have whatever you like. You can be an ugly old man with purple veins running all over your face and date an incredibly beautiful Swedish model with a 15 inch waist and double d rack. That is why. If you take a moment to think about anything you can find the answers yourself. That should be noted for all TT members. Think before you write.

And when you write something like what BevelDevil writes ^^, well you're just not thinking. You're just writing.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 03:17 PM
Nadal created a legacy and you are quick to dismiss it, to me you are not a true fan of the game.



Yeah,that's it. :lol: Too bad I'm not starting silly gloryhunting threads like you do,so I can be as big a fan of the game as you perceive yourself to be.



And what I said is true. Right now,in the present,Nadal is irrelevant to the game. He is not playing,and has not played for going on 4 months. How does he have anything to do with tennis as this point in time?

Tennis_Maestro
09-14-2012, 03:21 PM
Yeah,that's it. :lol: Too bad I'm not starting silly gloryhunting threads like you do,so I can be as big a fan of the game as you perceive yourself to be.

Keep talking waffle.

Crisstti
09-14-2012, 03:38 PM
Poker isn't just gambling. And there's no problem with gambling either if done responsibly, which can never be the case with smoking... no comparison there.

And does Nadal really have to slap his name to anything that comes along? Is he broke? Does he have no other options? The answer to all of those questions is no,so why does he do it?

He doesn't have to, but he can if he so wishes.

Mr Perfect? I just don't like losing my money. That's not perfection, it's common sense.

In gambling people are paying for entertainment. Like I'm sure you do as well.

Plus, poker is not just gambling.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 03:41 PM
Keep talking waffle.



Hit a nerve did I?

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 03:42 PM
Poker isn't just gambling. And there's no problem with gambling either if done responsibly, which can never be the case with smoking... no comparison there.



He doesn't have to, but he can if he so wishes.



In gambling people are paying for entertainment. Like I'm sure you do as well.

Plus, poker is not just gambling.


Maybe not,but what Nadal is peddling through Pokerstars is.

Crisstti
09-14-2012, 04:01 PM
Most people who have some level of skill at poker do not consider it to be gambling. Sure, if you're a newbie who doesn't know how to play then it probably seems like gambling. But probabilities and strategy play a huge role in poker unlike some other casino games.

In all other games you are expected to lose money in the long run because you play against the house and the house always has more favorable odds than you. In poker, since you play vs each other, a skilled player can easily come out on top 80+% of the time. if you have a good understanding of probabilities and game theory, you are far more likely to come out on top. Luck still plays a role but luck plays a role in EVERYTHING in life.

Are there people who have lost their house on poker? Sure. But there are people who ate too much chocolate and died.Before you guys demonize poker, read up a little bit about it. If you're someone that likes math you will probably love poker. If you consider investing in the stock market as gambling then yes poker is gambling as well. Otherwise it is a game of high skill where IN THE LONG RUN luck cancels out.


Excellent post.

Crisstti
09-14-2012, 04:04 PM
Maybe not,but what Nadal is peddling through Pokerstars is.

Is it poker that it promotes?.

Clarky21
09-14-2012, 04:11 PM
Is it poker that it promotes?.



It's called Pokerstars isn't it? It is an online gambling site where people can play online and bet money. Correct me if I am wrong,but this is the way I understood Pokerstars to work.

ninman
09-14-2012, 04:59 PM
Poker is gambling, btw. Yes a skilled player can give himself more favourable odds by making the right bets at the right time etc, but you're still betting. Every time you play a hand, you bet, that is gambling.

To say that you can win 80% of the time is laughable. The best poker players in the world win money on about 15% of the tournaments they play.

The point is that your winnings generally outweigh your losses considerably. It is definitely a game of luck, the skill is simply knowing which hands are good bets and which ones are bad bets.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 05:41 PM
Nadal has already said that poker is the game he will play continuously and that he has the premier poker coach working with him right now. In order to get that coach he needed to endorse Pokerstars. If he didn't endorse Pokerstars I doubt he'd get access to their premier coach.

Bartelby
09-14-2012, 05:47 PM
Card games have always been played.

Playing card games for money you can easily afford to lose is gambling.

Playing card games for money because you can't stop yourself is an addiction.

nethawkwenatchee
09-14-2012, 06:22 PM
This deal is going to make his bank accounts larger and thats the most important thing for him.Good image only needed in the beginning of your career not in the end.No ones cares what kind of an image you have after the retirement and he is pretty much at the end of his career.Make most of it before it is too late.

I'm sad to admit it but this is correct from a PR point of view.

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 06:47 PM
I'm sad to admit it but this is correct from a PR point of view.

We won't ever see Federer stray from the squeaky clean. He even dumped Tiger Woods from his friends list as soon as the media found about about Tiger's personal life. Federer is the ultimate PR lapdog. Nadal is not so easily sucked in.

BevelDevil
09-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Btw, I remember when they were top 10, Roddick and Blake would play poker at local cardrooms on the tour. If online poker weren't banned in the U.S., I think Roddick would be a decent sponsored player.



The best poker players in the world win money on about 15% of the tournaments they play.

There are also "cash games", where money is won/lost on a per-hand basis. Those games have a lower degree of luck and require a higher degree of skill. The win-per-session rate of good players is higher than 50%, I think.

Also, I've know that a lot of players open up multiple windows so their playing many games simultaneously at lower stakes. This is a type of diversification of risk.



the skill is simply knowing which hands are good bets and which ones are bad bets.

There's are many other related skills involved in poker:

- figuring out the plausible hands of your opponent
- disguising the strength of your own hand
- bluffing: when, how and who to do it to
- detecting bluffing and defending against it
- maximizing your returns when you have the best hand
- minimizing your losses when you do not
- identifying the tendencies of your opponents
- figuring out what your opponent thinks about you
- figuring out what your opponent thinks you think about him
- figuring out what opponents think about each other
- interpreting the statistics of your opponents

Fun stuff.


In order to get that coach he needed to endorse Pokerstars. If he didn't endorse Pokerstars I doubt he'd get access to their premier coach.

I think it was the other way around: He wanted to endorse Pokerstars, but they required that he be coached since they didn't want him embarrassing them with bad play (his online games are viewable by the public).

Mustard
09-14-2012, 08:15 PM
I'm sorry but what's the big deal here? Is gambling taboo or something?

tennisMVP
09-14-2012, 08:23 PM
I'm sorry but what's the big deal here? Is gambling taboo or something?

Certainly not taboo in the Christian community. Not sure where the talk tennis folks are from.

mistik
09-14-2012, 08:29 PM
I'm sorry but what's the big deal here? Is gambling taboo or something?

Nothing in this life is taboo,everything is for us.İs this a good move, gambling promoted by a top class athlete ? Definitely not.

NadalDramaQueen
09-14-2012, 08:31 PM
I'm sorry but what's the big deal here? Is gambling taboo or something?

I don't get this either. Poker is a fun way to waste some time every now and then. I also find it to be the best way to gamble in that you have some say in your performance.

Whenever I visit my family, I will normally hit the nearby casino with some friends to play some poker. I have probably done this twenty times in the past decade and I think I have only lost money two or three times. The field is weak, so to speak, so it is pretty easy to play smart and perhaps double your money and then walk away.

I'm not really into watching poker on television or playing online, but I can't really see the harm. I thought that many online sites don't even let you play for money.

If Rafa was endorsing adult diapers or something, then it would be embarrassing. I don't think this is that bad.

Mustard
09-14-2012, 08:32 PM
Nothing in this life is taboo,everything is for us.İs this a good move, gambling promoted by a top class athlete ? Definitely not.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't promote pokerstars for millions of pounds/dollars/euros? LOL. And if you refuse the offer, the money just stays in the pockets of some corporate suits.

autumn_leaf
09-14-2012, 08:35 PM
wow. this is an old topic. i think there was an exact same thread created a few months back when the news came out, surprised this thread was new.

so the question i have is, why isn't entering an industry where only the top 200 can make a living considered gambling?

mistik
09-14-2012, 08:35 PM
Certainly not taboo in the Christian community. Not sure where the talk tennis folks are from.

All the posters here being critical about this deal is from Saudi Arabia,you have point.:):):):)
Nobody critical about him gambling.It is all about promoting it.

mistik
09-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Are you telling me that you wouldn't promote pokerstars for millions of pounds/dollars/euros? LOL. And if you refuse the offer, the money just stays in the pockets of some corporate suits.

You know what dont tell me that Rafa is the only person offered such a deal.I am sure many famous people also refused it.How many active athletes promoting this ?How many movie stars you see promote such a stuff ?

NadalDramaQueen
09-14-2012, 08:52 PM
You know what dont tell me that Rafa is the only person offered such a deal.I am sure many famous people also refused it.How many active athletes promoting this ?How many movie stars you see promote such a stuff ?

Rafa is a such a bamf that he can get away with endorsing gambling. 8)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26759562.jpg

Crisstti
09-14-2012, 09:29 PM
It's called Pokerstars isn't it? It is an online gambling site where people can play online and bet money. Correct me if I am wrong,but this is the way I understood Pokerstars to work.

I just made a mistake on what I wrote... I think i can't be bothered to think now what was it that I wanted to write. I'm too sleepy right now, lol.

I'm sorry but what's the big deal here? Is gambling taboo or something?

I'm surprised myself.

Crisstti
09-14-2012, 09:30 PM
so the question i have is, why isn't entering an industry where only the top 200 can make a living considered gambling?

That is a good question.

All the posters here being critical about this deal is from Saudi Arabia,you have point.:):):):)
Nobody critical about him gambling.It is all about promoting it.

You would only criticise it if you think there's something with with gambling.

Sentinel
09-14-2012, 11:18 PM
so the question i have is, why isn't entering an industry where only the top 200 can make a living considered gambling?

'cause medals and titles are not randomly offered. You have to actually work for it.

Think of how we are born, one in a million sperms :D beats your ATP example by miles, lol.

tennisMVP
09-15-2012, 01:25 AM
Nothing in this life is taboo,everything is for us.İs this a good move, gambling promoted by a top class athlete ? Definitely not.

But I thought talk tennis didn't think Nadal was a good person. Don't they call him a cheater at every opportunity? Why do they expect Nadal to be squeaky clean? Why is it such a surprise that he's not a square? Is it worth obsessing over? And is Nadal really that important? I thought Federer was the main focus.

Russeljones
09-15-2012, 01:49 AM
'cause medals and titles are not randomly offered. You have to actually work for it.

Think of how we are born, one in a million sperms :D beats your ATP example by miles, lol.

I can't believe you took the time to comment on that lol

CMM
09-15-2012, 03:22 AM
wow. this is an old topic. i think there was an exact same thread created a few months back when the news came out, surprised this thread was new.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=428944
I'm such a drama queen. :oops:

smoledman
09-15-2012, 10:44 AM
Nadal was always a dodgy character.

Sentinel
09-15-2012, 11:12 AM
Nadal was always a dodgy character.

Lol. Now if he was a real maaaan he'd do Russian Roulette, ... haha, just kiddin' chaps, don't freak out.

smoledman
09-15-2012, 11:15 AM
Lol. Now if he was a real maaaan he'd do Russian Roulette, ... haha, just kiddin' chaps, don't freak out.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iWrvk51f8r4/T76gCzCc5TI/AAAAAAAABX8/kVHZJF-Dcvk/s1600/russian-roulette.jpg

Ms Nadal
09-15-2012, 12:27 PM
Money, per usual for Rafa.

BevelDevil
09-15-2012, 01:52 PM
'cause medals and titles are not randomly offered. You have to actually work for it.


But talent, opportunity, fitness and health are randomly distributed, and often times their true value is not revealed until an aspiring pro has committed thousands of hours, dollars, tears and beads of sweat to the game.

I'm sure there are many promising young juniors who never panned out or whose budding career was cut short by injuries or health problems.