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Paullaconte1
09-15-2012, 09:00 PM
It seems that Fed and Wawrinka can't win a match any more. After losing against the US they seems unable even to defeat the Netherlands (doubles)...and the recent Olympics was a bit of a disaster.

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/09/federer-wawrinka-drop-davis-cup-doubles-point/39434/#.UFVN8I3iZ04

I start to think they had a bit of luck at winning the 2008 gold medal. Is that right?

r2473
09-15-2012, 09:22 PM
It was fixed

LarrysŁmmers
09-15-2012, 09:25 PM
theres no room for a 1hbh in the modern doubles game.

Paullaconte1
09-15-2012, 09:54 PM
theres no room for a 1hbh in the modern doubles game.

:confused:
Ups... what about the Bryans, Paes and Stepanek? 3 out of 4 have 1hbh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOECJnKCjK4

Sid_Vicious
09-15-2012, 10:15 PM
Federer is old.

RF20Lennon
09-15-2012, 10:24 PM
I mean they made the indian wells final last year!! I dont think theyre as focused! also its clay, doubles is a fast game (yes they lost on grass this year) but i think if theyre focused they can still be a great team!

Sentinel
09-15-2012, 10:31 PM
:confused:
Ups... what about the Bryans, Paes and Stepanek? 3 out of 4 have 1hbh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOECJnKCjK4

3 ? One of the Bryans, and Paes. That's 2.
But yeah, there are several doubles players with a 1hbh.

Headshotterer
09-15-2012, 10:33 PM
People from the Netherlands are giants. The average height is almost 6'1 so they got intimidated

rofl_copter3
09-15-2012, 10:58 PM
3 ? One of the Bryans, and Paes. That's 2.
But yeah, there are several doubles players with a 1hbh.

Both of the Bryan bros... thanks though...

I think it comes down to neither of them at all interested in doubles, and them not practicing at all...

tennisbuck
09-15-2012, 10:59 PM
ya know i think that they can still be a capable team, they just need to show a little more confidence out there. They don't seem to be very positive or communicating as well as they were back in '08

TheNatural
09-15-2012, 11:13 PM
Fed's bunt return doesn't work in doubles.

cc0509
09-15-2012, 11:28 PM
ya know i think that they can still be a capable team, they just need to show a little more confidence out there. They don't seem to be very positive or communicating as well as they were back in '08

They are successful singles players, why should they really care so much about doubles, especially Federer at this point in his career.

Sid_Vicious
09-15-2012, 11:31 PM
Fed's bunt return doesn't work in doubles.

It sure works a hell of a lot better than the guy in your avatar's did. Federer's bunt return at least helped him win more doubles matches than he lost.

above bored
09-15-2012, 11:40 PM
It seems that Fed and Wawrinka can't win a match any more. After losing against the US they seems unable even to defeat the Netherlands (doubles)...and the recent Olympics was a bit of a disaster.

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/09/federer-wawrinka-drop-davis-cup-doubles-point/39434/#.UFVN8I3iZ04

I start to think they had a bit of luck at winning the 2008 gold medal. Is that right?
Luck occurs at every level of this game so sure, why not? Majors and other tournaments are often won with a little bit of luck, but you still have to be good enough to take advantage of that and to some degree you create your own luck too.

I think they had a little better preparation in 2008 than they have recently, but the fact remains they do not play a great deal of doubles, so they are not going to be as competitive against players at this level that play a lot of doubles.

BreakPoint
09-16-2012, 12:11 AM
theres no room for a 1hbh in the modern doubles game.
Hmmm.....is that why out of the Top 20 ranked doubles players, the great majority have 1HBH's?

bjk
09-16-2012, 12:22 AM
What were they doing in that match anyway? Up 2-0 take the day off and have Chiudinelli and Georg Bastl cover the dubs.

Zarfot Z
09-16-2012, 12:25 AM
No. They beat Brian bros. You obviously deserve the OG if you beat the world number 1 doubles players.

AlexDK09
09-16-2012, 12:32 AM
I was there yesterday! Rojer was really good. Rojer/Haase won 6 straight games and lead with 4-0 in the 2nd set. In my opinion, Federer/Wawrinka were outplayed at the net by Rojer.

Ms Nadal
09-16-2012, 03:30 AM
They won that Olympic title 4 years ago when Federer was having a bit of a down year. So he was able to play up better in a pair/ Plus they are older now too.

Emet74
09-16-2012, 06:10 AM
Depends what you mean by luck.

They went through Bupathi/Paes and then Bryan Bros so clearly deserved that title.

But if you mean that they played above their normal level in that one tournament, then yes for sure.

Teams/players can get "hot"; it happens :)

roundiesee
09-16-2012, 07:39 AM
I think the Swiss for some reason are not good in getting the doubles point in Davis cup play. Whether it's Federer/Wawrinka or Federer/Allegro, they never seem to have any luck in doubles. :(

sureshs
09-16-2012, 08:59 AM
No one cares about doubles

JamieSafe
09-16-2012, 09:34 AM
What do you mean? Rojer is one of the best doublers in the world and haase is no stranger to it either

RF20Lennon
09-16-2012, 10:18 AM
I guess they just got hot during the olympics in beijing

iriraz
09-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Both Federer and Wawrinka don`t play doubles during the year;maybe 1 or 2 tourneys and DC and that`s about it.
So it`s tough for them to be consistent when they play so rarely.I doubt they were stellar in the Olympics in 2008 from R1.They might have had a few ugly wins and then when they got some rhythm,everything clicked.
Also in doubles there are plenty of surprise results anyway.Who would have though that a wildcard team will win Wimbledon?

Paullaconte1
09-16-2012, 06:20 PM
ya know i think that they can still be a capable team, they just need to show a little more confidence out there. They don't seem to be very positive or communicating as well as they were back in '08

Yes, sometimes I have the impression they do not get along as they used to be.

Sabratha
09-16-2012, 06:31 PM
I think they had enough talent to be able to take the gold.

Tafmatch
09-16-2012, 11:20 PM
I saw them play in Amsterdam. It was obvious Federer didn't care that much. He was playing terrible and you could clearly see that he hardly plays doubles matches at all. Fed/Waw were simply outplayed by Haase/Rojer.

Russeljones
09-16-2012, 11:33 PM
I saw them play in Amsterdam. It was obvious Federer didn't care that much. He was playing terrible and you could clearly see that he hardly plays doubles matches at all. Fed/Waw were simply outplayed by Haase/Rojer.

Can you please elaborate on that. How can you clearly see Federer doesn't play doubles matches?

kOaMaster
09-20-2012, 03:06 AM
I saw all the matches too and agree with Tafmatch.

The Swiss commentator Heinz GŁnthardt (former doubles player/won wimbledon) often pointed out what Fed/Stan should've done, what Rojer instead did and it was very obvious, that there were two single players up against a double specialist and someone who just did his job ;)

Rojer was playing very close to the net, rojer&haase were moving "correctly" on the field, if one player went to the net, the other one also stepped in - plus, they were playing "intelligent" tennis, no high risk shots, tried to return the serve for starting the point and so on.

Federer wasn't playing that bad, neither did Stan - there were some very nice points. But strategically, they should've realised that it did not work. Lobs could have been an option (especially since Haase did have some misses), returning with less risk.

In my opinion there was just too little time for Federer & Wawrinka to get ready to play doubles. 1 day of practise isn't enough for doubles plus switching from hard to sand within no time isn't easy too.

I think they both knew they would win at least one of the single matches on sunday too where the chances are much higher. And so it was, Federer neither of the netherlands guys were a threat to him in the singles.

beast of mallorca
09-20-2012, 03:10 AM
No one cares about doubles

The *******s do. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Tafmatch
09-20-2012, 05:42 AM
Can you please elaborate on that. How can you clearly see Federer doesn't play doubles matches?

Basically what kOaMaster said. Although I believe Fed did play a bad match. He missed so many returns, he kept firing away at Rojer although it clearly didn't work and he and Wawr often seemed a bit lost on court.
I was surprised as well that the difference between a doubles specialist and the other three players was so big. Maybe Rojer played the match of his life but I don't think so. He played more intelligent, he moved better, and his reflexes were exceptional.

jrs
09-20-2012, 11:07 AM
No one cares about doubles

More people should care - because most of the matches played at club level is singles. If more people cared - they might play proper doubles instead 4 people playing singles on 1 court!

jrs
09-20-2012, 11:10 AM
Are there any videos available for these matches - would love to see Fed/War vs India and USA - didn't realize they beat both Bryan's and Paes/Bhup - if you beat 2 legendary doubles teams - then you deserve the gold. Initially, I thought it was luck - but not now!

jrs
09-20-2012, 11:12 AM
More people should care - because most of the matches played at club level is doubles. If more people cared - they might play proper doubles instead 4 people playing singles on 1 court!

Made a mistake above...don't know how to edit messages!

above bored
09-20-2012, 11:22 AM
Can you please elaborate on that. How can you clearly see Federer doesn't play doubles matches?
Well, he's played only four doubles matches this year. One at each of the two Davis Cup ties he played and two at the Olympics.

BreakPoint
09-20-2012, 11:42 AM
No one cares about doubles
Even though you're limited to playing only doubles in your advanced age? :)

BTW, doubles is so much more exciting to watch than singles by a long mile.