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5555
09-19-2012, 02:54 AM
What do you think?

merwy
09-19-2012, 03:28 AM
No, I think Murray will take the YE1 in one of those years. Or maybe Nadal will come back, nobody knows.

PS: But it is possible I guess. I'd give him the biggest chance of doing that. Especially if Federer or Nadal retire.

Def
09-19-2012, 03:56 AM
he hasn't even gotten 2011-12 yet

Zarfot Z
09-19-2012, 03:58 AM
Don't get too ahead of yourself OP.

tennisaddict
09-19-2012, 04:01 AM
You familiar with Gary Wright ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hdx9JjzDfo

DolgoSantoro
09-19-2012, 06:14 AM
Sure but I doubt he will

Sentinel
09-19-2012, 06:36 AM
What do you think?

Agree. In addition to the CYGS in 2013.

RF20Lennon
09-19-2012, 06:40 AM
Possible but Andrew might spoil the party

tennisMVP
09-19-2012, 06:55 AM
I think Djokovic can, but won't.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-19-2012, 07:25 AM
I think Djokovic can, but won't.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Nadal is only a year older than Djokovic (and Murray) so there's plenty of time for Djokovic to be denied.

mattennis
09-19-2012, 07:36 AM
It will be very dificult.

Both Nadal and Djokovic have shown they can reach that outstanding Federer's level, but neither of them can sustain it for more than a single season (and the principal reason is that they need to spend much more energy doing so than Federer, because of their playing style).

We have already seen that Djokovic 2012 is not the same than Djokovic 2011.

He's been great, no doubt about it, but he looked tired (mentally and physically) many times this year, unlike 2011.

Federer could do it for three or four straight years, but both Nadal and Djokovic have problems with their bodies trying to emulate that.

The three of them can reach that outstanding tennis level, but for Federer it is way less physically (and mentally) demanding.

Djokovic will finish nš1 in 2012 probably, but again in 2013, 2014 and 2015?

I doubt it very much. His body will break down trying to do so.

Cup8489
09-19-2012, 07:44 AM
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Nadal is only a year older than Djokovic (and Murray) so there's plenty of time for Djokovic to be denied.

Been living under a rock for 3 months, eh? Nadal may not play for the rest of the year, and it's already the longest he's been off tour since turning pro.

IE, not a good sign for his return to the top.

TMF
09-19-2012, 08:24 AM
What do you think?

I think it's wishful thinking. We don't know if Nole can end this year #1, let alone for 4 more times.

kishnabe
09-19-2012, 08:25 AM
Yes but most likely NO....Tennis can change in a year. No one predicted 2010 Nadal run, 2011 Djokovic run or the eveness of 2012.

Some guy can come up and ruin Djokovic chance. Maybe Murray, Nadal can also get in the way in one of those years.

2012 is still not decided....it a 2 man race between Fedovic.

RF20Lennon
09-19-2012, 08:27 AM
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Nadal is only a year older than Djokovic (and Murray) so there's plenty of time for Djokovic to be denied.

Agreeing with yourself?? How surprising :D

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-19-2012, 08:44 AM
2012 is still not decided....it a 2 man race between Fedovic.

No one expected Federer to go on an unbeaten run in the indoor season in 2011 after dropping to #4. Wouldn't surprise me if Nadal snatched the ranking away from Murray right at the end of the year.

kishnabe
09-19-2012, 09:11 AM
No one expected Federer to go on an unbeaten run in the indoor season in 2011 after dropping to #4. Wouldn't surprise me if Nadal snatched the ranking away from Murray right at the end of the year.

Nadal snatching number 3 ranking right? Nadal has a zero percent chance of being year end Number 1 this year.

Sid_Vicious
09-19-2012, 09:20 AM
What do you think?

http://imgon.net/di-T1MH.gif

Cup8489
09-19-2012, 10:28 AM
No one expected Federer to go on an unbeaten run in the indoor season in 2011 after dropping to #4. Wouldn't surprise me if Nadal snatched the ranking away from Murray right at the end of the year.

Federer never dropped to number 4.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-19-2012, 10:29 AM
Federer never dropped to number 4.

Yes he did.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx?d=17.10.2011&r=1&c=#

He was ranked there for 6 weeks.

tennisMVP
09-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Been living under a rock for 3 months, eh? Nadal may not play for the rest of the year, and it's already the longest he's been off tour since turning pro.

IE, not a good sign for his return to the top.

I don't think Nadal would care about returning to the top. His goal has always been the slams. Winning the first 3 slams of 2013 would be more important than returning to the top. The only other goal I've heard him mention apart from slams is the 2016 Olympics. Actually, the 2016 Olympics is all I've heard him talk about achievements-wise in the last 2 months.

Clarky21
09-19-2012, 05:23 PM
I think he can. Other than Andy,he has zero competition.

cc0509
09-19-2012, 05:41 PM
Short Answer: Nope.

Djokovic has always been a bit of a flake. I don't think he has it in him to sustain that level for that long.

cc0509
09-19-2012, 05:45 PM
I don't think Nadal would care about returning to the top. His goal has always been the slams. Winning the first 3 slams of 2013 would be more important than returning to the top. The only other goal I've heard him mention apart from slams is the 2016 Olympics. Actually, the 2016 Olympics is all I've heard him talk about achievements-wise in the last 2 months.

He is not going to win the first three slams of 2013, I do think he is not done winning slams however, he just won't dominate the way he did in 2010.

In addition, the Olympic 2016 goal is just what is being thrown out there by Nadal's handlers. It does not mean he will actually make it to that point. He has just stated himself he has no idea how long he will play tennis for so we should not claim to know either. It could be four years or it could be a year, nobody knows.

tennisMVP
09-19-2012, 05:48 PM
He is not going to win the first three slams of 2013, I do think he is not done winning slams however, he just won't dominate the way he did in 2010.

In addition, the Olympic 2016 goal is just what is being thrown out there by Nadal's handlers. It does not mean he will actually make it to that point. He has just stated himself he has no idea how long he will play tennis for so we should not claim to know either. It could be four years or it could be a year, nobody knows.

Well if Nadal wins the Australian Open 2013, that makes it the first 2 slams of 2013. So, first 3 is very possible, given his record at Wimbledon, and given that Murray/Federer were both unconvincing at this year's Wimbledon. And I think Nadal will consider the AO "unfinished business" after what happened this year vs Djokovic.

cc0509
09-19-2012, 05:55 PM
Well if Nadal wins the Australian Open 2013, that makes it the first 2 slams of 2013. So, first 3 is very possible, given his record at Wimbledon, and given that Murray/Federer were both unconvincing at this year's Wimbledon. And I think Nadal will consider the AO "unfinished business" after what happened this year vs Djokovic.

You are getting way too ahead of yourself. Murray and Federer were not unconvincing at all at Wimbledon this year, they were both playing extremely well. Nadal will have more competition now off of clay with Federer, Djokovic and now a reinvigorated Murray.

I think Nadal will likely win a few more slams but I don't think he will win three in a row and dominate any longer like he did in 2010. Hard to say for sure right now who will win the AO in 2013. I don't think it will be Federer, but it could easily be Djokovic, Murray or even Nadal (although I would put him third on the list right now.)

tennisMVP
09-19-2012, 09:47 PM
You are getting way too ahead of yourself. Murray and Federer were not unconvincing at all at Wimbledon this year, they were both playing extremely well. Nadal will have more competition now off of clay with Federer, Djokovic and now a reinvigorated Murray.

I think Nadal will likely win a few more slams but I don't think he will win three in a row and dominate any longer like he did in 2010. Hard to say for sure right now who will win the AO in 2013. I don't think it will be Federer, but it could easily be Djokovic, Murray or even Nadal (although I would put him third on the list right now.)

Did you see Federer vs that Benn guy? Laughable. And the Wimbledon final wasn't the highest quality final of the year even. It was full of Murray's missed opportunities.

Prisoner of Birth
09-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Well if Nadal wins the Australian Open 2013, that makes it the first 2 slams of 2013. So, first 3 is very possible, given his record at Wimbledon, and given that Murray/Federer were both unconvincing at this year's Wimbledon. And I think Nadal will consider the AO "unfinished business" after what happened this year vs Djokovic.

Federer at Wimbledon looked better than Nadal at any Wimbledon other than 2007/2008/2010. So did Murray at the Olympics.

tennisMVP
09-19-2012, 10:02 PM
Federer at Wimbledon looked better than Nadal at any Wimbledon other than 2007/2008/2010. So did Murray at the Olympics.

Now that's comedy.

Prisoner of Birth
09-19-2012, 10:15 PM
Now that's comedy.

You must have a low humor-threshold.

cc0509
09-19-2012, 10:25 PM
Did you see Federer vs that Benn guy? Laughable. And the Wimbledon final wasn't the highest quality final of the year even. It was full of Murray's missed opportunities.

I'll tell you what is more laughable, Nadal losing in the second round to Rosol. What is Rosol ranked again? :oops:

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-20-2012, 01:01 AM
He is not going to win the first three slams of 2013, I do think he is not done winning slams however, he just won't dominate the way he did in 2010.

In 2009, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2012, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2009, Nadal won one slam.
In 2012, Nadal won one slam.
Due to Nadal's 2009, he dropped to #4.
Due to Nadal's 2012, he dropped to #4.
After Nadal's 2009, he became the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year, and became the youngest player ever to win the career golden slam.
After Nadal's 2012, he will become the first male player to win the calendar year grand slam on three different surfaces.

Cup8489
09-20-2012, 01:11 PM
In 2009, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2012, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2009, Nadal won one slam.
In 2012, Nadal won one slam.
Due to Nadal's 2009, he dropped to #4.
Due to Nadal's 2012, he dropped to #4.
After Nadal's 2009, he became the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year, and became the youngest player ever to win the career golden slam.
After Nadal's 2012, he will become the first male player to win the calendar year grand slam on three different surfaces.


You crayy.

Joseph L. Barrow
09-20-2012, 01:39 PM
It's very much in doubt-- essentially a toss-up, I'd say-- whether Djokovic will even finish this year at number one, let alone an additional three consecutive years after that. It isn't impossible, but it's extremely unlikely.

Tony48
09-20-2012, 01:46 PM
In 2009, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2012, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2009, Nadal won one slam.
In 2012, Nadal won one slam.
Due to Nadal's 2009, he dropped to #4.
Due to Nadal's 2012, he dropped to #4.
After Nadal's 2009, he became the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year, and became the youngest player ever to win the career golden slam.
After Nadal's 2012, he will become the first male player to win the calendar year grand slam on three different surfaces.

1) How did you jump from winning 3 slams in 2010 to 4 slams in 2013? Does losing 2 rounds earlier in a slam give him extra incentive or something? I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic.

2) Not gonna happen.

SQA333
09-20-2012, 04:38 PM
In 2009, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2012, Nadal lost early in a slam and skipped the next slam.
In 2009, Nadal won one slam.
In 2012, Nadal won one slam.
Due to Nadal's 2009, he dropped to #4.
Due to Nadal's 2012, he dropped to #4.
After Nadal's 2009, he became the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year, and became the youngest player ever to win the career golden slam.
After Nadal's 2012, he will become the first male player to win the calendar year grand slam on three different surfaces.

Nadal's 2008 year-end ranking: #1
Nadal's 2009 year-end ranking: #2
Nadal's 2010 year-end ranking: #1
Nadal's 2011 year-end ranking: #2
Nadal's 2012 year-end ranking: #4, most likely
Nadal's 2013 year-end ranking: (odd year, and usually 1 lower than the previous year. #5?)


Sorry dude, Nadal only does well on even numbered years. He's missed the boat this year... so you gotta wait till 2014 for Nadal to do those things.

That's if he's even playing.

Nadalgaenger
09-20-2012, 07:56 PM
How are Fed's chances for finishing the year No.1?

Hawkeye7
09-20-2012, 08:28 PM
He doesn't even have two yet... Why would you ask us about 5??

NadalAgassi
09-20-2012, 09:11 PM
I highly doubt it. I still think Nadal will end atleast 1 more year at #1, Murray will end atleast 1 year at #1, and Federer might even end this year at #2. Djokovic isnt such a dominant player to pull off something like that.

tennisMVP
09-20-2012, 09:31 PM
I highly doubt it. I still think Nadal will end atleast 1 more year at #1, Murray will end atleast 1 year at #1, and Federer might even end this year at #2. Djokovic isnt such a dominant player to pull off something like that.

I agree entirely.

Sabratha
09-20-2012, 10:18 PM
No, he can't.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 01:27 AM
I highly doubt it. I still think Nadal will end atleast 1 more year at #1, Murray will end atleast 1 year at #1, and Federer might even end this year at #2. Djokovic isnt such a dominant player to pull off something like that.

I agree with this. Though the rankings don't matter as much for Nadal as they do for Federer, since Nadal is only focused on racking up the slams, and Nadal knows that regardless of his seed he can still dominate the other players in the slams to win the title.

BauerAlmeida
09-21-2012, 05:46 AM
Maybe. We don't know how Nadal is going to come back and Federer isn't getting any younger.

Though I see Delpo being number 1 in 2014, but not finishing the year as 1 maybe.

ruerooo
09-21-2012, 06:16 AM
Though I see Delpo being number 1 in 2014, but not finishing the year as 1 maybe.

He has to make sure both those wrists of his stay healthy for that to happen.

Hitman
09-21-2012, 07:00 AM
I agree with this. Though the rankings don't matter as much for Nadal as they do for Federer, since Nadal is only focused on racking up the slams, and Nadal knows that regardless of his seed he can still dominate the other players in the slams to win the title.

I agree. He already is the greatest number two in world history, so mission accomplished. It's not like he has a prayer in becoming the greatest number one, so it shouldn't matter to him.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 07:05 AM
I agree. He already is the greatest number two in world history, so mission accomplished. It's not like he has a prayer in becoming the greatest number one, so it shouldn't matter to him.

Greatest number one if Nadal wins 17+ slams and accomplishes the Calendar Year Grand Slam in 2013 (he'll be the first male player to do this on three different surfaces by the way). Nadal doesn't need a ranking to define him. That's what makes him so great.

Hitman
09-21-2012, 07:08 AM
Greatest number one if Nadal wins 17+ slams and accomplishes the Calendar Year Grand Slam in 2013 (he'll be the first male player to do this on three different surfaces by the way). Nadal doesn't need a ranking to define him. That's what makes him so great.

You are talking IFs. I am talking about what IS. And what IS is that Nadal is the greatest number two in world history. That is quite a remarkable accomplishment in itself.

RF20Lennon
09-21-2012, 08:15 AM
Greatest number one if Nadal wins 17+ slams and accomplishes the Calendar Year Grand Slam in 2013 (he'll be the first male player to do this on three different surfaces by the way). Nadal doesn't need a ranking to define him. That's what makes him so great.

but I thought he was already the greatest after beating the storm at flushing this year in 5! first player in WORLD HISTORY to do so. ALso a record!

Tony48
09-21-2012, 08:26 AM
Greatest number one if Nadal wins 17+ slams and accomplishes the Calendar Year Grand Slam in 2013 (he'll be the first male player to do this on three different surfaces by the way).

You could easily replace Nadal's name with that of any current tennis player.

veroniquem
09-21-2012, 08:23 PM
What do you think? I doubt it. Let's see first if he can do 2 consecutive years. Not at all obvious, we're less than 3 months from the end and he's #2.

5555
09-22-2012, 06:21 AM
Djokovic has always been a bit of a flake.

Djokovic is a flake? He has advanced to 10 consecutive Grand Slam semifinals (Sampras never reached his 4th consecutive Grand Slam semifinal).

No, he can't.

Why?

Let's see first if he can do 2 consecutive years. Not at all obvious, we're less than 3 months from the end and he's #2.

Novak is No. 1 in 2012 ATP Points Race http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-22-2012, 06:23 AM
You could easily replace Nadal's name with that of any current tennis player.

Except the only player that is capable of doing that is Rafael Nadal. And Rafael Nadal looks like he'll be back in contention for doing just that after AO 2013, and with a stellar 2013, Rafael Nadal will be all people can think about thereafter. Rafael Nadal.

NadalAgassi
09-22-2012, 07:42 AM
Maybe. We don't know how Nadal is going to come back and Federer isn't getting any younger.

Though I see Delpo being number 1 in 2014, but not finishing the year as 1 maybe.


Del Potro at #1 is purely a fantasy. Even if he rises to the level to win Slams and Masters (aka an even higher level than his previous best one) he would not be able to stay fit and play top level tennis through a whole year consitently enough to ever reach #1. At this previous best year of tennis ever he was still many of thousands points away from the #1 ranking and mostly ranked at #5.

tennis_pro
09-22-2012, 07:46 AM
We'll talk if he ends this year at no 1, Federer can still surpass him after the indoor swing.

RF20Lennon
09-22-2012, 08:11 AM
Except the only player that is capable of doing that is Rafael Nadal. And Rafael Nadal looks like he'll be back in contention for doing just that after AO 2013, and with a stellar 2013, Rafael Nadal will be all people can think about thereafter. Rafael Nadal.

im starting to think Rafa pays this guy!! Is this Benito's form of revenge on TTW? :D

tennis_pro
09-22-2012, 08:12 AM
im starting to think Rafa pays this guy!! Is this Benito's form of revenge on TTW? :D

No, THIS is Rafa. What do you think he's doing all day long since June 25?:)

Building on some confidence on TW.

TMF
09-22-2012, 08:13 AM
Maybe. We don't know how Nadal is going to come back and Federer isn't getting any younger.

Though I see Delpo being number 1 in 2014, but not finishing the year as 1 maybe.

There's no player at 6'6" ever ranked #1. The last tall player who's ranked #1 was Safin, and he's shorter than Del Potro.

5555
10-30-2012, 04:20 AM
Novak has just clinched the No. 1 ranking for 2012. Three more to go.

Sabratha
10-30-2012, 04:25 AM
Novak has just clinched the No. 1 ranking for 2012. Three more to go.
Doubt he can do it with Murray approaching his level fairly quickly.

Gonzo_style
10-30-2012, 05:32 AM
Doubt he can do it with Murray approaching his level fairly quickly.

Djokovic has an advantage over Andy on clay, and that's why I think he will end next year ahead Murray...

Sabratha
10-30-2012, 05:37 AM
Djokovic has an advantage over Andy on clay, and that's why I think he will end next year ahead Murray...
Not if Nadal makes his annual clay sweep.