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UKTennis
09-21-2012, 02:31 AM
Who's better?

Davydenko Stats:

Career prize money:$15,150,663
Career record: 429–271 – 61.5%
Career titles: 21
Highest ranking: No. 3 (November 06, 2006)

Grand Slam Singles results
Australian Open QF (2005, 2006, 2007, 2010)
French Open SF (2005, 2007)
Wimbledon 4R (2007)
US Open SF (2006, 2007)

Other tournaments
Tour Finals W (2009)
Olympic Games 2R (2008)

Ferrer Stats:

Career prize money:$14,658,460
Career record: 470–242 - 51.4%
Career titles: 16
Highest ranking: No. 4 (February 25, 2008)

Grand Slam Singles results
Australian Open SF (2011)
French Open SF (2012)
Wimbledon QF (2012)
US Open SF (2007, 2012)

Other tournaments
Tour Finals F (2007)
Olympic Games 3R (2012)

Although Ferrer reached no. 4 in 2008, he's clearly played his best tennis the past year. I think Ferrer of this year versus Davydenko of 06/07 would have been a very close match.

Tennis_Maestro
09-21-2012, 03:02 AM
Denko has the better majors record, that's clear to see. He also is the more talented, IMO ... Ferrer's consistently pretty good and play's to atleast 80% of his best all the time, Denko, Denko rarely touches 60% of his best, especially now a days.

When he is on, he is on, Denko atm is playing, 70% to his best. I remember when he ousted Nadal @ a masters final ... and remember when he cruised to the World Tour Finals title in London? The guy's too sic when he's on.

Match fixing and motivation has costed him though. Definetely should have won a slam, unfortunately the Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray era has costed him ... ofcourse he was around when 3 of these 4 wernt a force but there was still that factor of Federer in his prime.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 03:33 AM
Davydenko fared better against Nadal (leads 6-5) than Ferrer did against Nadal (trails 4-16), so is more prone to troubling the top players.

http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nikolay-davydenko.jpg

Paul Murphy
09-21-2012, 03:35 AM
Davydenko fared better against Nadal (leads 6-5) than Ferrer did against Nadal (trails 4-16), so is more prone to troubling the top players.

http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nikolay-davydenko.jpg

You sad, sad fellow.

Sabratha
09-21-2012, 03:36 AM
Davydenko has never been ranked #2 in the world.

Paul Murphy
09-21-2012, 03:37 AM
I'd watch peak Davy over peak Ferrer any day.
At his very best he was a threat to the big boys, Ferrer much less so in my opinion.
Loved Davy's ability to create wonderful angles and his clean hitting.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 03:37 AM
You sad, sad fellow.

Who, Davydenko? Sorry, I'm not sure if Davydenko is sad or not, though he might be since his ranking has dropped, but since he has a leading H2H over Nadal I'd imagine that he's pretty happy.

mattennis
09-21-2012, 03:39 AM
Who's better?

Davydenko Stats:

Career prize money:$15,150,663
Career record: 429–271 – 61.5%
Career titles: 21
Highest ranking: No. 2 (6 November 2006)Grand Slam Singles results
Australian Open QF (2005, 2006, 2007, 2010)
French Open SF (2005, 2007)
Wimbledon 4R (2007)
US Open SF (2006, 2007)

Other tournaments
Tour Finals W (2009)
Olympic Games 2R (2008)

Ferrer Stats:

Career prize money:$14,658,460
Career record: 470–242 - 51.4%
Career titles: 16
Highest ranking: No. 4 (February 25, 2008)

Grand Slam Singles results
Australian Open SF (2011)
French Open SF (2012)
Wimbledon QF (2012)
US Open SF (2007, 2012)

Other tournaments
Tour Finals F (2007)
Olympic Games 3R (2012)

Although Ferrer reached no. 4 in 2008, he's clearly played his best tennis the past year. I think Ferrer of this year versus Davydenko of 06/07 would have been a very close match.

Davydenko has never been nš2 in the rankings.

EDIT: Sabratha was faster.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 03:40 AM
Davydenko has never been nš2 in the rankings.

Some of the other stats are wrong, too. Ferrer's win percentage is 66.01%, not 51.4%.

UKTennis
09-21-2012, 03:43 AM
Apologies if the stats are wrong, copied and pasted from Wikipedia. Will edit.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 03:45 AM
Apologies if the stats are wrong, copied and pasted from Wikipedia. Will edit.

Also, Davydenko's win percentage is 61.3% (or 61.29%), not 61.5%.

mattennis
09-21-2012, 03:49 AM
Denko has the better majors record, that's clear to see. He also is the more talented, IMO ... Ferrer's consistently pretty good and play's to atleast 80% of his best all the time, Denko, Denko rarely touches 60% of his best, especially now a days.

When he is on, he is on, Denko atm is playing, 70% to his best. I remember when he ousted Nadal @ a masters final ... and remember when he cruised to the World Tour Finals title in London? The guy's too sic when he's on.

Match fixing and motivation has costed him though. Definetely should have won a slam, unfortunately the Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray era has costed him ... ofcourse he was around when 3 of these 4 wernt a force but there was still that factor of Federer in his prime.

Both have 4 GS SF, Davydenko has 6 GS QF and Ferrer 5 GS QF. Hardly any difference there.

Davydenko won 3 M-1000 though (won all his three finals), whereas Ferrer has never won a M-1000 (lost all his three finals).

For me Davydenko was more talented and dangerous when he was on.

Ferrer is more steady.

Both choked countless times when leading (or in very close important matches) against the top-4.

UKTennis
09-21-2012, 04:02 AM
I also agree that Davydenko was the more talented player. However I think both Murray and Djokovic are comfortably better players than Davydenko at his peak, and in today's era he would be fighting it out with Ferrer as to who gets the fifth seed spot. I always remember Davydenko getting to the quarters/semis of Slams and losing to Federer or Nadal. Much like Ferrer of today. People underrate Ferrer because of his record against the big four, but he's been fantastic the past year. I think it would have been an really interesting match-up.

Tennis_Maestro
09-21-2012, 04:06 AM
Both have 4 GS SF, Davydenko has 6 GS QF and Ferrer 5 GS QF. Hardly any difference there.

Davydenko won 3 M-1000 though (won all his three finals), whereas Ferrer has never won a M-1000 (lost all his three finals).

For me Davydenko was more talented and dangerous when he was on.

Ferrer is more steady.

Both choked countless times when leading (or in very close important matches) against the top-4.

Ferrer never chokes, only seen him choke one time against Monfils @ the French Open, never choked otherwise. He always gets thoroughly out-played against the top 4, nothing about choking. Davydenko, slight choker and slight head-case.

Sabratha
09-21-2012, 04:24 AM
I also think Davydenko is the better player.

tennis_pro
09-21-2012, 04:27 AM
Davydenko has never been ranked #2 in the world.

Has Ferrer?

Sabratha
09-21-2012, 04:30 AM
Has Ferrer?

High

4

25.02.2008.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-21-2012, 04:33 AM
Davydenko also beat Federer at the World Tour Finals in 2009 (SF), then at Doha in 2010 two produce 2 victories in a row. But Ferrer has never beaten Federer.

So Davydenko performs better against both Nadal and Federer than Ferrer does.

krz
09-21-2012, 05:12 AM
Davydenko, one of the cleanest strikers I've seen, great timing.

Andres
09-21-2012, 06:58 AM
Davydenko won 3 MS and the WTF. Ferrer did neither. That alone separates both careers.

tacou
09-21-2012, 07:09 AM
Objectively Davydenko is the much more dangerous player. He can cover the court about as well as Ferrer but has much more firepower.

Career wise, 3 Masters vs. 0 would give it to Davy, as would the WTF victory on its own

JMR
09-21-2012, 10:43 AM
Davydenko gets the nod. The objective data (WTF and Masters titles) should be enough, but consider that there were occasions in the past when Davydenko was regarded as a serious pretournament threat to make a slam final, or perhaps even win. That was never true of Ferrer. Most of his best results have felt like overachievements.

Vcore89
09-21-2012, 10:51 AM
Davydenko the dynamo!

The Bawss
09-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Lol, Ferrer is closer to Almagro than he is to Davydenko.

augustobt
09-21-2012, 11:04 AM
Davydenko. But his gambles wreck his morals.

Talker
09-21-2012, 11:33 AM
Davydenko.

Also one of the mental giants when getting into tournament finals.

Mainad
09-21-2012, 12:11 PM
Davydenko:

Highest ranking: #3

Titles: 21, including:

1 WTF title.
3 Masters titles.
1 ATP 500.
16 ATP 250s.

Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

Ferrer:

Highest ranking: #4

Titles: 16, including:

6 ATP 500s.
10 ATP 250s.

Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

Davydenko obviously has the edge.

mattennis
09-21-2012, 12:31 PM
Davydenko:

Highest ranking: #2

Titles: 21, including:

1 WTF title.
3 Masters titles.
1 ATP 500.
16 ATP 250s.

Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

Ferrer:

Highest ranking: #4

Titles: 16, including:

6 ATP 500s.
10 ATP 250s.

Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

Davydenko obviously has the edge.

Davydenko highest ranking was nš3.

90's Clay
09-21-2012, 12:34 PM
Both are notorious choke artists. Davydenko a serious choke artist vs. Federer.. Ferrer a choke artist vs. Nadal

fps
09-21-2012, 12:36 PM
It would be a great match, I think the surface would be an important factor as they'd be very close. While Davydenko is very fast and hits maybe a little cleaner, the longer the match went on the more you'd start to favour Ferrer and his iron willpower. In fact, what is their head to head? I know Ferrer has improved these last three years while Davy has vanished, but still.

djokovicgonzalez2010
09-21-2012, 12:38 PM
Davydenko for sure
And Ferrer is a huge choker the last few years btw

90's Clay
09-21-2012, 12:41 PM
Davydenko for sure
And Ferrer is a huge choker the last few years btw

Davydeno has his share of chokes.. One in particular was that match with Roger in Australia a few years ago.

Mainad
09-21-2012, 12:49 PM
Davydenko highest ranking was nš3.

You're right, sorry. Made the mistake of going by his Wiki entry. I've amended it. :oops:

TMF
09-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Davy > Ferrer.

What's up with Ferrer comparing to another player lately? Before he was compare to Roddick which is silly because that's even worse than comparing to Davy. However it was reasonable when compare him to Chang.

Frankly, comparing Davy to Laver playing in the modern era would be interesting. :wink:

Mainad
09-21-2012, 01:35 PM
Davy > Ferrer.

What's up with Ferrer comparing to another player lately? Before he was compare to Roddick which is silly because that's even worse than comparing to Davy. However it was reasonable when compare him to Chang.


How so? Chang reached a career high ranking of #2 v Ferrer's #4 and won 34 titles v Ferrer's 16. He won 1 GS and appeared in 2 other finals v Ferrer's best showing of 4 semis. He won 7 Masters tournaments v Ferrer's 0.

It might be interesting to compare their styles of play but, resultswise, Chang is an even worse matchup for Ferrer than Davydenko.

onyxrose81
09-21-2012, 03:03 PM
Davydenko and it's not even close. At his peak he was far more dangerous to the top tier than Ferrer. Plus, his Masters and WTF wins put him over.

The Bawss
09-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Denko just bageled Ivo Karlovic, enough said I guess. I bet not many people can claim to have done that before.

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-21-2012, 04:49 PM
Davydenko is better IMO, Ferrer hasn't really won anything big. Davydenko would also probably win if they played.

veroniquem
09-21-2012, 08:08 PM
Davydenko on hard court. I mean in slams, granted, he hasn't done much but he's won 3 master titles + WTF. That's definitely better than Ferrer. On clay though I would probably pick Ferrer. OK, he cannot beat Rafa but neither can Davy on that surface and Ferrer has been more consistent in the big clay events.

Tennis_Maestro
09-22-2012, 03:20 AM
Ferrer doesn't choke against Nadal, Nadal is simply too good for him. Half you don't even play tennis so wouldn't understand.

nereis
09-22-2012, 06:15 AM
As much of a machine Ferrer is, Davydenko is just on a class of his own.

He was a victim of both a Federer with sky-high confidence and his own scheduling mistakes.

In terms of pure ballstriking ability he is on the level of Agassi, but took the ball even earlier.

MichaelNadal
09-22-2012, 07:55 AM
Davydenko is a much better ballstriker than Ferrer.

Romismak
09-22-2012, 03:42 PM
This is not even close. On clay i would say Ferrer maybe has little advantage, but on HC-majority of tournaments peak Davydenko would win in straight sets on slow HC, fast HC, indoor HC. Peak Davydenko on any kind of HC is scary player, takes your time, doesnīt make errors, agressive tennis, even serve goes to another level, great ROS, almost no weakness. Ferrer is more consistency guy - but he doesnīt have ,,peak,, form, he canīt play tennis that you would say wow he can beat anyone. Davydenko when is ,,on,, you say wow he can beat anyone.

beast of mallorca
09-22-2012, 04:08 PM
Davydenko's best > Ferrer's.
Hope the funny Russian gets back his A game. At least to contend for the top 5-8.

Tony48
09-22-2012, 04:18 PM
Davydenko all the way.

He takes the ball so early that it's almost ridiculous...gives you very little time to recover from your own stroke.

Agassifan
09-22-2012, 04:27 PM
Davy. No doubt.

prosealster
09-22-2012, 05:06 PM
denko.............

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-22-2012, 05:29 PM
If anything Davy is the perfect player against a a grinder like Ferrer. Constantly hitting the ball off the bounce and taking time away with that insane ball striking, Ferrer's defense wouldn't be able to withstand it. Probably even on clay. Even Nadal isn't effective, and he does virtually everything better than Ferrer.

vive le beau jeu !
09-23-2012, 03:30 AM
i also think davydenko's peak level is better than ferrer's peak level.
and as regards their career, davydenko winning the year-end masters (WTF) makes the difference.

still, credit to ferrer... some years ago, i wouldn't have bet on him reaching the QF of all the slams (i mean career-wise but he even did it in a single year !) which is a respectable achievement, even despite the regretable homogenization of the playing conditions.

Russeljones
09-23-2012, 03:41 AM
Davydenko, easily.

Mainad
09-23-2012, 04:45 AM
i also think davydenko's peak level is better than ferrer's peak level.and as regards their career, davydenko winning the year-end masters (WTF) makes the difference.

Plus 3 other Masters titles.

vive le beau jeu !
09-23-2012, 04:49 AM
Plus 3 other Masters titles.
i think too much importance is given to the 'masters 1000' events... but that's another debate ! ;)

Sentinel
09-23-2012, 05:19 AM
i also think davydenko's peak level is better than ferrer's peak level.
and as regards their career, davydenko winning the year-end masters (WTF) makes the difference.

What about a winning H2H against the GOAT, Ralph ? :shock:

Mainad
09-23-2012, 09:03 AM
i think too much importance is given to the 'masters 1000' events... but that's another debate ! ;)

What's to debate about? Masters 1000s are what they say they are. They confer 1,000 ranking points on the winner, more than any other tournament bar the Slams and the WTF. All the top players are required to play them (with one current exception) and they usually do. They have undoubtedly more prestige than anything outside the Slams and arguably the WTF and so any non-Slam winner who has won one or more is automatically superior to a non-Slam winner who hasn't won any!

フェデラー
09-23-2012, 09:53 AM
Davydenko on hard court. I mean in slams, granted, he hasn't done much but he's won 3 master titles + WTF. That's definitely better than Ferrer. On clay though I would probably pick Ferrer. OK, he cannot beat Rafa but neither can Davy on that surface and Ferrer has been more consistent in the big clay events.

What upsets me is that Davy lost to Puerta in that 05 FO semis. A nadal-davydenko final at the french would have been great. Unlucky for Davy as not long after that Puerta was found to be doping again... I think Davy would have had a much, much better chance against Nadal than Puerta.

NadalAgassi
09-23-2012, 10:30 AM
Davydenko has never beaten Nadal on clay, has only once had a competitive match, and in 2005 wasnt the player he was in future years yet. I think the final with Puerta was a much better final than the Nadal-Davydenko final would have been that year to be honest.

Davydenko also blew the 2007 French semis with Federer. Was up in all 3 sets and gifted them away with unforced errors, not anything Federer did. Maybe that year he would have had a closer FO final with Nadal, atleast compared to 2005.


Anyway regarding this thread Davydenko is way better on hard courts and indoors which is their mutual best surfaces. They are similar level on clay, Davydenko in his prime actually had better FO results IIRC. Grass Ferrer is better but both are useless anyway. Easy answer is Davydenko. He has Masters titles and even a WTF, which Ferrer wasnt good enough to win any of. He also had enough game to win a major or two if he wasnt such a choker, Ferrer never had the game to win a major.

smoledman
09-23-2012, 11:14 AM
Obviously Kolya, far more dangerous against top players then Ferrer.

YEC, 3 MS-1000 titles. Ferrer won none of these.

And it's not like Kolya is a giant, he's only 5'11".

okdude1992
09-23-2012, 12:19 PM
This comparison isn't so bad actually. Both were/are solid #4/5 players, very consistent, practically identical slam results.

But: Davydenko has 3 MS 1000 wins, and 1 YEC win. Ferrer has 3 MS 1000 finals, and 1 YEC final. This pretty much spells it out, both couldn't' take out the top guys in slams, but Davydenko had more weapons, and more ability to upset the big boys when he was hot. Therefore he was able to bag some big titles and take some big scalp. Ferrer meanwhile can't seem to breakthrough at all vs the big 3, because he just doesn't quite have the game.

norbac
09-23-2012, 12:46 PM
With how early he took the ball and the angles he created, Davy was an incredible player to watch when on his game.