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Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 09:54 PM
I'd say "no."

Mick
09-21-2012, 09:59 PM
the Bryan brothers probably could do it.

Russeljones
09-21-2012, 09:59 PM
Isn't Nadal a mediocre net player?

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 10:02 PM
Isn't Nadal a mediocre net player?

He's gotten better over the years. Anyway, he can cover the baseline with his lightning coverage and Federer takes the net :)

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 10:03 PM
the Bryan brothers probably could do it.

I think Federer and Nadal could overwhelm them with superior shotmaking. But they'd need some coordination, of course.

Rock Strongo
09-21-2012, 10:11 PM
Doesn't the old tennis saying go "McEnroe and anyone else"?

nereis
09-21-2012, 10:12 PM
I don't think anyone here who's played doubles competitively would say that two singles players, great as they may be, who have never played together and most likely don't have much team synergy going on would be able to beat a seasoned championship winning team.

That's like sticking a bunch of the current All-Stars together in a basketball team and expecting them to beat the 90s Bulls.

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 10:14 PM
I don't think anyone here who's played doubles competitively would say that two singles players, great as they may be, who have never played together and most likely don't have much team synergy going on would be able to beat a seasoned championship winning team.

That's like sticking a bunch of the current All-Stars together in a basketball team and expecting them to beat the 90s Bulls.

Well, Federer and Wawrinka did win the Olympic Gold.

Prisoner of Birth
09-21-2012, 10:15 PM
Doesn't the old tennis saying go "McEnroe and anyone else"?

You have a point.

Sabratha
09-21-2012, 10:28 PM
the Bryan brothers probably could do it.
I agree with this guy.

Vcore89
09-21-2012, 10:44 PM
FED actually declined playing with NADAL. He said he likes playing with friends. By friend he singled out Yves Allegro, for one...

Leelord337
09-21-2012, 10:49 PM
Just imagine Federer/Henin competing in mixed

firepanda
09-21-2012, 11:28 PM
They are both very flexible players. Nadal has the reflexes and Federer has the skill that they can both play at net. Alternatively, Nadal can cover from the back with his speed and passing and Federer can take the net, although that's a dubious strategy at best.

If you had to pair two top 10 players from the last 20 years, you couldn't get much better than them. McEnroe and the like might be stronger at net, though.

tennisMVP
09-21-2012, 11:34 PM
Isn't Nadal a mediocre net player?

McEnroe has said Nadal is the best volley on tour. McEnroe said this in 2011 and 2012.

Russeljones
09-22-2012, 12:26 AM
McEnroe has said Nadal is the best volley on tour. McEnroe said this in 2011 and 2012.

Thanks, we all know how steadfast Mac is in his opinions :)

tennisMVP
09-22-2012, 12:29 AM
Just noting, McEnroe said it twice. A lot of other things you only hear McEnroe say once.

BevelDevil
09-22-2012, 12:36 AM
McEnroe has said Nadal is the best volley on tour. McEnroe said this in 2011 and 2012.

maybe he was only thinking of singles.

Paul Murphy
09-22-2012, 12:48 AM
McEnroe and Fleming on grass and hardcourt.

vil
09-22-2012, 03:01 AM
It doesn't necessary mean if Fed and Nadal are best in singles they would be best in doubles. It's a whole different ball game. You get guys who only play doubles and nothing else. There is a lot of tactics, selection of shots and communication going on. You may be surprised.

In soccer for example, it's better to have well synchronised team of average players than having an average team with 2 or 3 brilliant individuals with big egos that struggle to connect with the team.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-22-2012, 03:02 AM
Federer isn't really a team player (see Davis Cup results) whereas Nadal is much more of a team player, so they wouldn't make a great team. And Nadal has reached the SF of the US Open in 2004 in doubles, so he's got a great doubles slam performance under his belt (when Nadal was only 18).

Hood_Man
09-22-2012, 03:24 AM
Just noting, McEnroe said it twice. A lot of other things you only hear McEnroe say once.

Like "No comment?"

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-22-2012, 03:50 AM
Like "No comment?"

McEnroe was one of the best doubles players in world history, so I think his opinion that Nadal is the best volleyer in the top 4 is extremely valid. Nadal is very adept as volleying (reached USO 2004 SF in doubles).

Cup8489
09-22-2012, 04:14 AM
McEnroe was one of the best doubles players in world history, so I think his opinion that Nadal is the best volleyer in the top 4 is extremely valid. Nadal is very adept as volleying (reached USO 2004 SF in doubles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fallacious_appeal_to_autho rity

Federer isn't really a team player (see Davis Cup results) whereas Nadal is much more of a team player, so they wouldn't make a great team. And Nadal has reached the SF of the US Open in 2004 in doubles, so he's got a great doubles slam performance under his belt (when Nadal was only 18).

http://www.middletownpress.com/content/articles/2012/08/01/sports/doc501976317042d113895346.jpg

It doesn't necessary mean if Fed and Nadal are best in singles they would be best in doubles. It's a whole different ball game. You get guys who only play doubles and nothing else. There is a lot of tactics, selection of shots and communication going on. You may be surprised.

In soccer for example, it's better to have well synchronised team of average players than having an average team with 2 or 3 brilliant individuals with big egos that struggle to connect with the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQVC-MakXA

Federer/Wawrinka beat the Bryan brothers en route to their Olympics win. Neither of them plays doubles on a regular basis, but beat one of the most successful doubles teams ever, in straight sets.

pvaudio
09-22-2012, 04:31 AM
As someone else said, a doubles team is much greater than the sum of its parts. In the case of these two, the sum is less. Unless you know your partner well and understand how they're going to play, you're more likely to get hit than win.

kiki
09-22-2012, 05:09 AM
The OT poster is the definition of clueless 100 teams would own them easily

Limpinhitter
09-22-2012, 05:11 AM
Isn't Nadal a mediocre net player?

He's gotten better over the years. Anyway, he can cover the baseline with his lightning coverage and Federer takes the net :)

Isn't Federer a mediocre net player?

kiki
09-22-2012, 05:21 AM
McEnroe has said Nadal is the best volley on tour. McEnroe said this in 2011 and 2012.

Which is the most meaningless statement ever heard
It is like saying that being dumb betters being blind

dominikk1985
09-22-2012, 05:25 AM
right now they would probably lose against the bryans if it was one match.

however if they played a couple tournaments together to get accustomed to each other and the spacing right probably no one would beat them.

Bobby Jr
09-22-2012, 05:30 AM
I'd say Federer and someone like Michaël Llodra would make a pretty good doubles combo.

Although I don't discount the value of experience most specialist doubles players don't see the likes of a Federer serve very often in tournaments. If they do it's often one guy pairing with someone else for only the first or couple of times. If they stuck with it for a while I think many current doubles specialists would start looking rather average pretty quickly.

nereis
09-22-2012, 06:12 AM
Note that just because Federer and Wawrinka can win a gold medal playing the Bryans does not then necessarily imply that Federer and Nadal can do the same.

For one, Federer and Wawrinka have grown up together and are friends. A lot of doubles success is team synergy. Conversely, Nadal and Federer have very divergent personalities and would struggle to form the sort of team culture that a championship winning team needs.

Of note also is the fact that Federer/Wawrinka's success in doubles hasn't persisted, which is what you would expect from a more seasoned pair. I suspect that the Bryans were a bit starstruck that day and that compounded with Federer playing very well resulted in a win for them.

Sim
09-22-2012, 06:47 AM
I would like to see a Raonic/Isner/Karlovic pairing. Isn't that the easiest way to win? Ace ace ace, and if not, a pop up return gets killed. :)

hoodjem
09-22-2012, 07:03 AM
Silly premise: two great singles players does not at all guarantee a great doubles team.

They would be beaten by quite a few doubles TEAMS:
Bromwich-Quist
Sedgman-McGregor
Newcombe-Roche
Hewitt-McMillan
Fleming-McEnroe
Flach-Seguso
Woodbridge-Woodforde
Nestor-Zimonjic
Bryan brothers

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-22-2012, 07:12 AM
Silly premise: two great singles players does not at all guarantee a great doubles team.

They would be beaten by quite a few doubles TEAMS:
Newcombe-Roche
Hewitt-McMillan
Fleming-McEnroe
Flach-Seguso
Woodbridge-Woodforde
Nestor-Zimonjic
Bryan brothers

Nadal-Djokovic made a poor doubles team (lost to Raonic-Pospisil in 2010 Toronto), so that's probably true. Though one great singles player can bring great attributes to a doubles specialist (Nadal-Lopez), though that could just be because Nadal is a great doubles player.

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 07:31 AM
The OT poster is the definition of clueless 100 teams would own them easily

Yeah, right. The 100 teams that couldn't even beat Federer+Wawrinka.

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 07:38 AM
Note that just because Federer and Wawrinka can win a gold medal playing the Bryans does not then necessarily imply that Federer and Nadal can do the same.

For one, Federer and Wawrinka have grown up together and are friends. A lot of doubles success is team synergy. Conversely, Nadal and Federer have very divergent personalities and would struggle to form the sort of team culture that a championship winning team needs.

Of note also is the fact that Federer/Wawrinka's success in doubles hasn't persisted, which is what you would expect from a more seasoned pair. I suspect that the Bryans were a bit starstruck that day and that compounded with Federer playing very well resulted in a win for them.

Being friends has little to do with team synergy. I'm pretty sure Federer knows more about Nadal's game (by that I mean his strengths and weaknesses), and vice versa, than he does about Wawrinka's game. And why on Earth are people assuming Federer+Nadal are gonna just meet on-court and start playing seasoned doubles players? They're gonna work together for atleast a while before their first match (like Federer and Wawrinka did for the Olympics) and they can take their match practice from there. Really, [(Federer+Nadal)/2 X 0.8] > [(Bryan Brothers)/2 X 1.2] if you wanna talk coordination and synergy.

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 07:40 AM
Silly premise: two great singles players does not at all guarantee a great doubles team.

They would be beaten by quite a few doubles TEAMS:
Bromwich-Quist
Sedgman-McGregor
Newcombe-Roche
Hewitt-McMillan
Fleming-McEnroe
Flach-Seguso
Woodbridge-Woodforde
Nestor-Zimonjic
Bryan brothers

:lol::lol::lol:

RF20Lennon
09-22-2012, 08:06 AM
With federer's great overheads, the forehand and the quickness to end points and with nadals topspin which none of the doubles volleyers are really used to, the dip they could make a good team

kiki
09-22-2012, 08:16 AM
Yeah, right. The 100 teams that couldn't even beat Federer+Wawrinka.

None of th current teams,son

90's Clay
09-22-2012, 08:21 AM
ROFL.


They would be destroyed by Sedgman/McGregor,Woodbridge/Woodforde,Mac/Flemming

tennis_pro
09-22-2012, 08:24 AM
We don't know since they never play with each other in one team.

RF20Lennon
09-22-2012, 08:52 AM
ROFL.


They would be destroyed by Sedgman/McGregor,Woodbridge/Woodforde,Mac/Flemming

LOL obviously!! but against the current field I think they could have a good run!

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 08:54 AM
None of th current teams,son

Get rid of the rose-tint, grandpa.

kiki
09-22-2012, 08:55 AM
:lol::lol::lol:

Your excuse is your complete tennis iliteracy.
You even make dummie ABMK look great

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 09:01 AM
Your excuse is your complete tennis iliteracy.
You even make dummie ABMK look great

If you're gonna call someone illiterate, atleast spell "illiterate" right. Oh, the irony.

kiki
09-22-2012, 09:25 AM
If you're gonna call someone illiterate, atleast spell "illiterate" right. Oh, the irony.

Thanks
I can teach you some Golden Era tennis in compensation

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 09:27 AM
Thanks
I can teach you some Golden Era tennis in compensation

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/n/images/no-country-for-old-men-4.jpg

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-22-2012, 09:29 AM
With federer's great overheads, the forehand and the quickness to end points and with nadals topspin which none of the doubles volleyers are really used to, the dip they could make a good team

Nadal has much better volleying (according to John McEnroe) and overheads (one of the most important aspect of a doubles pairing) so I don't think Nadal's topspin plays as much of a part as you think it does. Though Nadal's topspin will make it difficult for players like the Bryan brothers to hit volleys.

jokinla
09-22-2012, 09:38 AM
Federer isn't really a team player (see Davis Cup results) whereas Nadal is much more of a team player, so they wouldn't make a great team. And Nadal has reached the SF of the US Open in 2004 in doubles, so he's got a great doubles slam performance under his belt (when Nadal was only 18).

That's why he has an Olympic gold medal in doubles.

forzamilan90
09-22-2012, 09:58 AM
It's an interesting thought...Williams sisters are incredible singles players and very talented, combined they massacre even the best doubles specialists simply cause they are too good....I think if given time to accustom themselves, Fed and Nadal (or any other supremely gifted players) should really be a force to be reckoned with. Fed/Waw already beat Bryans brothers on their way to Olympic doubles title.

nereis
09-22-2012, 10:04 AM
Being friends has little to do with team synergy. I'm pretty sure Federer knows more about Nadal's game (by that I mean his strengths and weaknesses), and vice versa, than he does about Wawrinka's game. And why on Earth are people assuming Federer+Nadal are gonna just meet on-court and start playing seasoned doubles players? They're gonna work together for atleast a while before their first match (like Federer and Wawrinka did for the Olympics) and they can take their match practice from there. Really, [(Federer+Nadal)/2 X 0.8] > [(Bryan Brothers)/2 X 1.2] if you wanna talk coordination and synergy.

We're not just talking the likes of Paes, Bhupathi, Bopanna, Nestor or the Bryans anymore but every single great pair in the history of the sport.

We're in an era where the top singles guys don't play doubles, but even back in the 90s that wasn't necessarily the case. And before that, we had McEnroe winning both singles and doubles majors.

As talented as they are, the Bryan brothers simply aren't the top tier talents that were playing the doubles game in the past.

Part of this is due to the game moving away from the net, where doubles is always played at.

But it's also due to the training growing up and the years of instincts built up in a great doubles player.

These are only the highlights, but notice the difference in movement, shot selection and coordination between the two pairs. Federer/Wawrinka really look like two singles guys. Federer seems to push balls back at the net and is often not aggressive enough on the returns, which is the singles game where first strike tennis isn't a consistently winning strategy anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8WMDrmbSOE

RF20Lennon
09-22-2012, 10:56 AM
Nadal has much better volleying (according to John McEnroe) and overheads (one of the most important aspect of a doubles pairing) so I don't think Nadal's topspin plays as much of a part as you think it does. Though Nadal's topspin will make it difficult for players like the Bryan brothers to hit volleys.

Jmac meant nadal has better volleys now currently! But fed in his prime had better volleys and also the fact that nadal rarely goes to net so he only goes when its a put away volley. Fed on the other hand chips and charges. S&V so its obvious hes going to lose more points than rafa at net. Overheads is debateable but they both have great overheads! Nadals topspin dip is hard for doubles players to volley! combing that with Fed's quickness its a great combo!!!

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 01:39 PM
We're not just talking the likes of Paes, Bhupathi, Bopanna, Nestor or the Bryans anymore but every single great pair in the history of the sport.

We're in an era where the top singles guys don't play doubles, but even back in the 90s that wasn't necessarily the case. And before that, we had McEnroe winning both singles and doubles majors.

As talented as they are, the Bryan brothers simply aren't the top tier talents that were playing the doubles game in the past.

Part of this is due to the game moving away from the net, where doubles is always played at.

But it's also due to the training growing up and the years of instincts built up in a great doubles player.

These are only the highlights, but notice the difference in movement, shot selection and coordination between the two pairs. Federer/Wawrinka really look like two singles guys. Federer seems to push balls back at the net and is often not aggressive enough on the returns, which is the singles game where first strike tennis isn't a consistently winning strategy anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8WMDrmbSOE

It was meant to be a debate, but maybe I got carried away. I think
Sampras would make a great doubles player.

The-Champ
09-22-2012, 01:43 PM
Mcenroe/Sampras that beat the swedish doubles team of Edberg/Järryd in DC in early 90s would kill Fed/Nadal.

Sid_Vicious
09-22-2012, 02:00 PM
I hope they play at least once in their career.

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 02:00 PM
Mcenroe/Sampras that beat the swedish doubles team of Edberg/Järryd in DC in early 90s would kill Fed/Nadal.

Prime McEnroe and Prime Sampras beating Prime Federer and Prime Nadal, probably yeah, but not that particular team.

Sid_Vicious
09-22-2012, 02:05 PM
It was meant to be a debate, but maybe I got carried away. I think
Sampras would make a great doubles player.

Sampras played well over a 100 doubles matches in his career and he lost the majority of them. He was not an amazing doubles player by any means. He had good days, but he was definitely not comfortable in doubles. He won 2 doubles titles in his career.

Federer and Nadal, interestingly enough, both have 8 doubles titles.

Prisoner of Birth
09-22-2012, 02:16 PM
Sampras played well over a 100 doubles matches in his career and he lost the majority of them. He was not an amazing doubles player by any means. He had good days, but he was definitely not comfortable in doubles. He won 2 doubles titles in his career.

Federer and Nadal, interestingly enough, both have 8 doubles titles.

The reason I think Federer and Nadal could make, hypothetically, the best doubles team ever :

1. Federer's a rightie and Nadal's a leftie. They'd be strong on both wings. (Sampras and McEnroe would be great in this regard, too). ETA : This is actually sort of a tricky point to validate so let's disregard it.

2. Federer's a great volley-er. Not GOAT material but definitely one of the best today. Nadal's really good too, especially lately.

3. Federer and Nadal are capable of insane passing shots. So you can't really overwhelm them with great volley-work.

4. Topspin. And more topspin.

5. Court coverage. Nadal's probably the best ever and prime-Federer isn't too far behind.

6. Federer can make insane angles with his shots in doubles matches. And his anticipation is unrivaled.


Contrary to popular opinion, I think Singles and Doubles don't take different skill-sets to excel. You just need to attune yourself to your partner and your gameplan. And Federer and Nadal are #1 and #2 in my GOAT list.

RF20Lennon
09-23-2012, 01:01 AM
The reason I think Federer and Nadal could make, hypothetically, the best doubles team ever :

1. Federer's a rightie and Nadal's a leftie. They'd be strong on both wings. (Sampras and McEnroe would be great in this regard, too). ETA : This is actually sort of a tricky point to validate so let's disregard it.

2. Federer's a great volley-er. Not GOAT material but definitely one of the best today. Nadal's really good too, especially lately.

3. Federer and Nadal are capable of insane passing shots. So you can't really overwhelm them with great volley-work.

4. Topspin. And more topspin.
5. Court coverage. Nadal's probably the best ever and prime-Federer isn't too far behind.

6. Federer can make insane angles with his shots in doubles matches. And his anticipation is unrivaled.


Contrary to popular opinion, I think Singles and Doubles don't take different skill-sets to excel. You just need to attune yourself to your partner and your gameplan. And Federer and Nadal are #1 and #2 in my GOAT list.
I agree with this!! Spot on!

beast of mallorca
09-23-2012, 01:29 AM
The reason I think Federer and Nadal could make, hypothetically, the best doubles team ever :

1. Federer's a rightie and Nadal's a leftie. They'd be strong on both wings. (Sampras and McEnroe would be great in this regard, too). ETA : This is actually sort of a tricky point to validate so let's disregard it.

2. Federer's a great volley-er. Not GOAT material but definitely one of the best today. Nadal's really good too, especially lately.

3. Federer and Nadal are capable of insane passing shots. So you can't really overwhelm them with great volley-work.

4. Topspin. And more topspin.

5. Court coverage. Nadal's probably the best ever and prime-Federer isn't too far behind.

6. Federer can make insane angles with his shots in doubles matches. And his anticipation is unrivaled.


Contrary to popular opinion, I think Singles and Doubles don't take different skill-sets to excel. You just need to attune yourself to your partner and your gameplan. And Federer and Nadal are #1 and #2 in my GOAT list.

If you make a petition, I'll sign in. :)
I wonder why this has never happened. Haha, maybe for the first time the Fedal fans will be in harmony. Unless they lose, then, pandemonium galore !!:twisted:

merwy
09-23-2012, 02:56 AM
@OP. That's such a stupid thing to say. As others have pointed out already, two great singles players don't make for a good doubles team. Sigh.. how sad is it that in this thread this guy is actually making more sense than most of you:

Nadal-Djokovic made a poor doubles team (lost to Raonic-Pospisil in 2010 Toronto), so that's probably true. Though one great singles player can bring great attributes to a doubles specialist (Nadal-Lopez), though that could just be because Nadal is a great doubles player.

Prisoner of Birth
09-23-2012, 06:36 AM
@OP. That's such a stupid thing to say. As others have pointed out already, two great singles players don't make for a good doubles team. Sigh.. how sad is it that in this thread this guy is actually making more sense than most of you:

You wouldn't have sounded stupid if you actually had an argument. Federer and Wawrinka won the Olympic Gold with minimal practice together. That's a tournament. And you're basing your argument off of ONE match.

NamRanger
09-23-2012, 07:54 AM
You wouldn't have sounded stupid if you actually had an argument. Federer and Wawrinka won the Olympic Gold with minimal practice together. That's a tournament. And you're basing your argument off of ONE match.



This is partially because doubles competition is no longer anywhere near as strong as it once was.

Prisoner of Birth
09-23-2012, 08:30 AM
This is partially because doubles competition is no longer anywhere near as strong as it once was.

I concede.

AnotherTennisProdigy
09-23-2012, 09:28 AM
They have the necessary skills to be a good team, the lefty and righty combo is a nice bonus. The only thing barring them from being a great team might be cooperation and teamwork.

Zarfot Z
09-23-2012, 11:17 PM
Are you serious OP?

Doubles is a very, very different ball game to singles. Being good at singles doesn't automatically translate to being good at doubles.

I can think of a dozen doubles teams off the top of my head that would easily handle Federer/Nadal any day. Having said that, Federer/Nadal would obviously not be a crap doubles combination either.

beast of mallorca
09-24-2012, 12:03 AM
Are you serious OP?

Doubles is a very, very different ball game to singles. Being good at singles doesn't automatically translate to being good at doubles.

I can think of a dozen doubles teams off the top of my head that would easily handle Federer/Nadal any day. Having said that, Federer/Nadal would obviously not be a crap doubles combination either.

What kind of BS crap are u talking about. "Easily handle Fedal any day"?
Stop talking crap ok. Fedal doubles team against another is purely speculative as far as the outcome is concerned because it has never happened nor can u see the future.
So stop with this BS because u know not what u r talking about.

Zarfot Z
09-24-2012, 01:33 AM
What kind of BS crap are u talking about. "Easily handle Fedal any day"?
Stop talking crap ok. Fedal doubles team against another is purely speculative as far as the outcome is concerned because it has never happened nor can u see the future.
So stop with this BS because u know not what u r talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YSMxlUj9U8&feature=related

Here's Nadal and Djokovic, two all time greats going up against some Canadian nobodies in doubles.

Go watch it before posting on this thread again.

ae695
09-24-2012, 01:33 AM
Brian brothers
McEnroe&Fleming
Sanchez Vicario & Casal

Those three pair would easily crush Fedal in doubles.

JSummers
09-24-2012, 01:57 AM
Federer isn't really a team player (see Davis Cup results) whereas Nadal is much more of a team player, so they wouldn't make a great team. And Nadal has reached the SF of the US Open in 2004 in doubles, so he's got a great doubles slam performance under his belt (when Nadal was only 18).

Didn't we just witnessed a Nadal-less Spain demonlished other countries?

Yea, only if Fed got a team (now barely with a Wawrinka). I remember those Davis Cup results where Fed single handled did 3:0 and carried the "team".

Zarfot Z
09-24-2012, 02:20 AM
Federer isn't really a team player (see Davis Cup results) whereas Nadal is much more of a team player, so they wouldn't make a great team. And Nadal has reached the SF of the US Open in 2004 in doubles, so he's got a great doubles slam performance under his belt (when Nadal was only 18).

Hi ***.

Gold medal > all of Nadal's doubles titles and Davis Cup wins

Suck it.

treblings
09-24-2012, 02:46 AM
Nadal and Federer could become a winning doubles formation, even winning majors, if they would play a lot of doubles and train for it.
that in itself would be no mean achievement.

Sid_Vicious
09-24-2012, 02:55 AM
Brian brothers
McEnroe&Fleming
Sanchez Vicario & Casal

Those three pair would easily crush Fedal in doubles.

I don't know about "crush". Federer has shown that he can take down the bryan brothers with Wawrinka, a guy who is not very good at doubles. Nadal is quite a bit better than Wawrinka at doubles, so I think Federer/Nadal have the potential to be a powerful doubles team.

sonicare
09-24-2012, 03:53 AM
Nadal is a liability but I am sure Federer would carry him through

hoodjem
09-25-2012, 02:35 PM
:lol::lol::lol:There's a profound, articulate argument.

Prisoner of Birth
09-25-2012, 02:37 PM
There's a profound, articulate argument.

Considering the "counter-argument" that was the best I could come up with. And even that took restraint.