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Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 07:02 AM
poll coming...

halalula1234
09-29-2012, 07:58 AM
probably he will improve but nothing major

dangalak
09-29-2012, 08:14 AM
He is talented, but flawed.

The Bawss
09-29-2012, 08:26 AM
He will win a major before 2015.

Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 08:29 AM
His new forehand looks awfully deadly

Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 08:36 AM
Tennis would be so much more fun to watch if Gasquet consistently went deep, I could watch his bh for hours

Mainad
09-29-2012, 08:58 AM
He will win a major before 2015.

It'll be a big leap. He hasn't won anything higher than a 250 yet!

But if Del Potro could do it....who knows?

tacou
09-29-2012, 09:33 AM
finishing another season top 8 would be a huge success for him at this point

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-29-2012, 09:46 AM
Indecisive poll.

Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 09:49 AM
huh? please explain

norbac
09-29-2012, 09:56 AM
Incredible to think he hasn't won a title since Nice 2010. Hope he can reverse that tomorrow.

Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 10:36 AM
Do you know when the final is? Eastern Time?

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 10:49 AM
I dont think his game is even worth much more than what his career has been. An average top 100 forehand in an era the forehand is the most important shot. A fairly average serve in an era the serve is the 2nd most important shot. A very strong and very pretty backhand but limited in the situations it is most effective in, kind of like the Stosur forehand. Not a great returner or defender from the baseline.

I always thought he was overhyped by some of the pudits. I remember predicting Djokovic, Murray, Berdych to all end up better than him and Monfils many years ago and being called crazy by people who were sure Gasquet and Monfils were the next huge things.

dangalak
09-29-2012, 11:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp6StHAeqZI

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 11:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp6StHAeqZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJn1iljsOqo

Mustard
09-29-2012, 11:26 AM
It's a crazy statistic that Gasquet has lost 13 out of 14 matches at the Round of 16 stage at the majors.

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 11:34 AM
It's a crazy statistic that Gasquet has lost 13 out of 14 matches at the Round of 16 stage at the majors.

He is the Mary Pierce of the ATP minus the occasional runs to slam finals and titles.

dangalak
09-29-2012, 12:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJn1iljsOqo

:lol:

In 2007 Federer was far more prone to brainfarts though. :) In 2005 he lost to Nadal, Nalbandian and Safin only.

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 12:08 PM
:lol:

In 2007 Federer was far more prone to brainfarts though. :) In 2005 he lost to Nadal, Nalbandian and Safin only.

Gasquet was actually better in 2005. His forehand was twice as good as it is now. He also hit more winners in general. Gasquet's peak was 2005-2007 and it has been all downhill since, and he is turned into a more consistent but unexceptional player.

Mustard
09-29-2012, 12:11 PM
Gasquet was actually better in 2005. His forehand was twice as good as it is now. He also hit more winners in general. Gasquet's peak was 2005-2007 and it has been all downhill since, and he is turned into a more consistent but unexceptional player.

What hurt Gasquet the most was that famous match against Murray at 2008 Wimbledon (Murray won 5-7, 3-6, 7-6, 6-2, 6-4). It was also the match that pushed Murray near the top echeleon of players. And then, soon after that match, Gasquet tested positive for cocaine.

tennis_pro
09-29-2012, 12:14 PM
If I had to bet on it, I'd say - no, it's too late.

On second thought take a look at Berdych. In 2005-2009 he was almost exactly what Gasquet is now but then matured at 24/25 years of age and has remained a consistent top 10/top 8 player till this day. Gasquet started his career off strongly with a couple of Masters final and a GS semi but has gone downhill since.

vive le beau jeu !
09-29-2012, 12:25 PM
It's a crazy statistic that Gasquet has lost 13 out of 14 matches at the Round of 16 stage at the majors.
a frightening one, unfortunately... it has to be some kind of record. :(
What hurt Gasquet the most was that famous match against Murray at 2008 Wimbledon (Murray won 5-7, 3-6, 7-6, 6-2, 6-4). It was also the match that pushed Murray near the top echeleon of players.
it's a good choice for the list of past matches that i would like to change... if only it could have pushed richie "to the top echelon" instead of the giant-jawed muzzette...... :|

Mainad
09-29-2012, 12:33 PM
it's a good choice for the list of past matches that i would like to change... if only it could have pushed richie "to the top echelon" instead of the giant-jawed muzzette...... :|

Oh come on. One match against Murray wouldn't have stopped him from making it to the top if he had really wanted to get there. He had the talent, all he needed was willpower and motivation.

His various 'distractions' probably didn't help. Were you by any chance that girl with coke on her lips that he kissed? :wink:

vive le beau jeu !
09-29-2012, 01:04 PM
His various 'distractions' probably didn't help. Were you by any chance that girl with coke on her lips that he kissed? :wink:
not that i remember...

inspector columbo already asked me that question some years ago, but i wasn't invited and i have an alibi: i was playing poker with ralph that night. ;)

Mainad
09-29-2012, 01:08 PM
not that i remember...

inspector columbo already asked me that question some years ago, but i wasn't invited and i have an alibi: i was playing poker with ralph that night. ;)

Did you kiss him? Is that why he is now on a silent ban? :wink:

vive le beau jeu !
09-29-2012, 01:35 PM
Did you kiss him? Is that why he is now on a silent ban? :wink:
me, kissing the nadal ? :shock:
well... if it was for having him banned... you're right... one could think that such a sacrifice could have been under consideration... but no. please no !

anyway i'm only into flour, not coke.

gsharma
09-29-2012, 01:43 PM
Unfortunately for Richie, he doesn't have the firepower. I really don't think his lack of success in winning major tournaments is all mental. Serve is okay, forehand is okay. Backhand is great but court positioning sucks. Volleys are decent too.

Del Potro at least had two major weapons when he won - serve and forehand. If Gasquet can improve his court positioning on his backhand side and improve his forehand, I can see him getting to a few quarters at the majors. Maybe a semi at Wimbledon and Paris but that's it.

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 01:55 PM
Unfortunately for Richie, he doesn't have the firepower. I really don't think his lack of success in winning major tournaments is all mental. Serve is okay, forehand is okay. Backhand is great but court positioning sucks. Volleys are decent too.

Del Potro at least had two major weapons when he won - serve and forehand. If Gasquet can improve his court positioning on his backhand side and improve his forehand, I can see him getting to a few quarters at the majors. Maybe a semi at Wimbledon and Paris but that's it.

In todays game it seems you either need to be a great attacking player, mostly attacking by virtue of huge serving and a huge ground game moreso than coming to net alot these day, or you need to be a great grinder and defensive player. Gasquet is neither of these things even when playing well. He would have been a better player in the wood racquet era since he volleys well, and he had the finesse and feel needed for then, and 1 handed backhands were in vogue and very effective back then. Although he would have needed to improve his concentration, shot selection, and mental toughness as guts, point construction, and focus on every point was crucial back then.

Doublebounce
09-29-2012, 02:22 PM
Give the guy a break, he already has a grand slam

http://www.sport24.com/var/plain_site/storage/images/tennis/diaporamas/tatiana-golovin__1/tatiana-golovin-et-richard-gasquet/1716318-3-fre-FR/tatiana-golovin-et-richard-gasquet_diaporama.jpg

The Bawss
09-29-2012, 02:39 PM
Give the guy a break, he already has a grand slam

http://www.sport24.com/var/plain_site/storage/images/tennis/diaporamas/tatiana-golovin__1/tatiana-golovin-et-richard-gasquet/1716318-3-fre-FR/tatiana-golovin-et-richard-gasquet_diaporama.jpg

Lol, that's not a real slam. The only possible way winning that trophy could have helped him in any way is if he had tapped that. Which I assume he didn't.

Babolatbarry
09-29-2012, 08:28 PM
hahahaha! this is entertaining

dangalak
09-29-2012, 08:38 PM
In todays game it seems you either need to be a great attacking player, mostly attacking by virtue of huge serving and a huge ground game moreso than coming to net alot these day, or you need to be a great grinder and defensive player. Gasquet is neither of these things even when playing well. He would have been a better player in the wood racquet era since he volleys well, and he had the finesse and feel needed for then, and 1 handed backhands were in vogue and very effective back then. Although he would have needed to improve his concentration, shot selection, and mental toughness as guts, point construction, and focus on every point was crucial back then.

Does Federer fit into either of these categories? :? He can defend and he can crush forehands, but I don't think he is either, really.

NadalAgassi
09-29-2012, 08:52 PM
Does Federer fit into either of these categories? :? He can defend and he can crush forehands, but I don't think he is either, really.

Federer definitely fits into a great attacking player in todays game, one of the best if not the best in the game today. One of the best serves in the game today, the best offensive forehand in the game (especialy in his prime), by default one of the better volleyers today. Even against the huge power hitters like Soderling, Berdych, Del Potro, Federer has more winners in about 90% of his career matches vs them, even in many of the defeats. Gasquet is nothing like this, he cant smother you with offense and first strike tennis like Federer is quite capable of.

Although he doesnt have to be most of the time Federer is also a world glass grinder and defender. One of the best in the game today (again especialy in his prime) as well. He gets in trouble when he tries to outgrind and outrally someone like Nadal, but who wouldnt other than 2011 Djokovic.

So Federer not only fits into one category, he could easily fit into both.

PCXL-Fan
09-29-2012, 10:29 PM
Gasquet was actually better in 2005. His forehand was twice as good as it is now. He also hit more winners in general. Gasquet's peak was 2005-2007 and it has been all downhill since, and he is turned into a more consistent but unexceptional player.
This is my theory as to why precocaine scandal Gasquet was better.
Cocaine usage can lead to decreased cellular connectivity in the motor cortex and visual cortex.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10642730

Study - a SINGLE cocaine use causes neuron deterioration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWrNs_0dLJg

Cocaine impairs tolerance to stressful situations (why he chokes more often post 2007):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11509204

abmk
09-29-2012, 10:33 PM
his two most major problems are his mental strength and his court position ( he stands way too back ) ....

Phonco
09-29-2012, 11:51 PM
This is my theory as to why precocaine scandal Gasquet was better.
Cocaine usage can lead to decreased cellular connectivity in the motor cortex and visual cortex.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10642730

Study - a SINGLE cocaine use causes neuron deterioration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWrNs_0dLJg

Cocaine impairs tolerance to stressful situations (why he chokes more often post 2007):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11509204

That's a plausible theory. However, I don't think that's the cause. It's possibly a factor. I don't have any research links, but I would like to cite Agassi. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Agassi purposely used crystal meth back in 1997. Gasquet (assuming his plea to be true) had a one time exposure to cocaine.

I think crystal meth is worse than cocaine, and purposeful drug use worse than accidental. So if Agassi can have the best years of his career post-meth, why can't Gasquet have one post-cocaine? If it anything is going to prevent him from success it will be the same things as always: mental, positioning, forehand, fitness etc.

Back to the topic, yes I think he seems to be on track to equal his pre-08 success. He's had his best overall performance in Majors this year, and he seems to be making in effort to hit his forehand and stand on the baseline.

RAFA2005RG
09-29-2012, 11:54 PM
I think if Gas was Spanish he'd be mentally tougher. He's French however, so end of story.

cc0509
09-30-2012, 02:36 AM
NO. That horse has left the barn. Overrated player imo. Nice style of play to watch though.

Sabratha
09-30-2012, 04:29 AM
He might make a semifinal at Wimbledon again, and the quarters at the others but apart from that he won't. He has potential to be top eight again, but he won't be ranked anything higher than #7.

beast of mallorca
09-30-2012, 05:45 AM
me, kissing the nadal ? :shock:
well... if it was for having him banned... you're right... one could think that such a sacrifice could have been under consideration... but no. please no !

anyway i'm only into flour, not coke.

yeahh, sure baby girl. :twisted:

Babolatbarry
10-01-2012, 02:43 AM
Not much confidence in Richard.... glad he just owned in the final though!

nereis
10-01-2012, 05:33 AM
Yes he probably could, but I think the issues are more to do with how the game is played these days and what needs to be done to succeed at the highest levels.

Gasquet plays even further back than Nadal does on hardcourts and doesn't have nearly the footspeed to cover the same amount of real estate when called for.

His backhand is a flashy weapon to be sure, but hitting big winners from that far behind the baseline is not longer a winning strategy, ask Roddick.

His forehand is a mess, and is even less of a weapon than Murray's was when he first broke onto the scene.

The only slam I could see him going deep in at this stage in his career is the French, where there is precedent for guys with his style of game winning.

But then, he has to go through the top 4, and unlike Del Potro he can't bring the heat enough to really take their movement and shotmaking out of the equation.

Babolatbarry
10-02-2012, 06:42 PM
wow its even

Paul Murphy
10-03-2012, 01:00 AM
Wonderful BH but stands too far behind the baseline, too often.
He surrenders too much territory.

ruerooo
10-03-2012, 07:36 PM
I don't know.

Every time he seems to pull it together mentally, then he falls apart again soon after.

And I do not think I will ever forget that Nice meltdown.
:shock:

Hideous.

norbac
10-03-2012, 07:54 PM
I don't know.

Every time he seems to pull it together mentally, then he falls apart again soon after.

And I do not think I will ever forget that Nice meltdown.
:shock:

Hideous.

Huh? Are you referring to the meltdown that Verdasco had when playing Gasquet in the 2010 final? Where he insulted Gasquet and the French audience.....