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peRFection
09-30-2012, 01:01 AM
In Spanish:
Toni Nadal: "Siempre he intentado no esconderle la realidad a Rafael. Si Federer es mejor, pues lo es".

In English:
Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. Federer is better, it's the truth."

Source:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2012/09/28/tenis/1348856120.html
OR
http://www.sportyou.es/blog/tenis/2012/09/28/toni-nadal-rafa-hubiera-preferido-jugar-en-el-real-madrid-que-ser-tenista-427014.html (.html)
OR
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/28/tenis/1348842189.html

Bonus:
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnip5lf2rN1qfzaz9o1_500.gif

Rozroz
09-30-2012, 01:07 AM
there you have it, folks!
yes Nadal has beaten him but what Toni says is more important ;)

Sid_Vicious
09-30-2012, 01:11 AM
Thanks.


Toni has only been saying this since like 2008.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-30-2012, 01:37 AM
And it'll be all the more confusing when Nadal reaches 18 slams and wins the CYGS, and when Nadal finishes up with an even better hard-court slam H2H, slam H2H and overall H2H against Federer and the rest of his 'rivals'.

Rozroz
09-30-2012, 01:42 AM
And it'll be all the more confusing when Nadal reaches 18 slams and wins the CYGS, and when Nadal finishes up with an even better hard-court slam H2H, slam H2H and overall H2H against Federer and the rest of his 'rivals'.

the Toni has spoken. nothing you can do about that.

cc0509
09-30-2012, 01:46 AM
And it'll be all the more confusing when Nadal reaches 18 slams and wins the CYGS, and when Nadal finishes up with an even better hard-court slam H2H, slam H2H and overall H2H against Federer and the rest of his 'rivals'.

LOL, delusion at its finest! Not happening.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-30-2012, 01:52 AM
LOL, delusion at its finest! Not happening.

Exactly what they said when Nadal had never won the US Open. And then, boom, 2010. Nadal won 2010 USO.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 01:55 AM
I wish Uncle Toni would be quiet! After reading Rafa's book I really hate the man! He had made Rafa an insecure wreck throughout the years. Through emotional abuse and blackmail! He knows that Rafa is so into his family that he would never fire him and he takes advantage of this fact to the max!. Rafa has simply lived out Uncle Toni's dreams as he was not a good enough tennis player to take the world by storm as Rafa has.Rafa is so attached to him and that is what makes the story even sadder. Rafa is a great player like Roger and they have their own styles but they are both tennis gods and will be remembered forever! Uncle Toni likes to talk for Rafa too he is making so much money by doing interviews etc talking about Rafa's injury. Rafa should tell Uncle Toni to go to hell!

cc0509
09-30-2012, 01:56 AM
Exactly what they said when Nadal had never won the US Open. And then, boom, 2010. Nadal won 2010 USO.

I didn't say Nadal will not win more slams but win 18? Very very unlikely. Players slow down at age 27/28 it is a fact. Players can still win slams and big things after that (see Federer) but they are no longer in their prime. Nadal may have a couple of good years left but he is moving away from his prime, don't kid yourself.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 02:00 AM
I didn't say Nadal will not win more slams but win 18? Very very unlikely. Players slow down at age 27/28 it is a fact. Players can still win slams and big things after that (see Federer) but they are no longer in their prime. Nadal may have a couple of good years left but he is moving away from his prime, don't kid yourself.

And Rafa is missing all this time now in his prime! :(. I am very proud of Rafa's 11 slams. He has achieved more than I thought he would! :). I am proud to be a Rafa fan and unlike Uncle Toni, I think Rafa is amazing and very talented. His fans love him, probably more than Uncle Toni does!

ViscaB
09-30-2012, 02:15 AM
He has said countless times that Roger is the greatest. As has Rafa (even after just beating him in a final;)).

Sabratha
09-30-2012, 02:27 AM
He's telling the truth, but not all of it. Federer is better in some respects, but Nadal is better than Federer in others.

ledwix
09-30-2012, 02:46 AM
And it'll be all the more confusing when Nadal reaches 18 slams and wins the CYGS, and when Nadal finishes up with an even better hard-court slam H2H, slam H2H and overall H2H against Federer and the rest of his 'rivals'.

Sorry but this has not happened yet and so you are simply delusional. You are the equivalent of someone saying Fed will reach 23 slams and evens up the H2H with Nadal. Hope you realize this, or else you will have to brace for the worse as Nadal recovers.

amx13
09-30-2012, 03:05 AM
Toni Nadal: "Siempre he intentado no esconderle la realidad a Rafael. Si Federer es mejor, pues lo es".

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. Federer is better, it's the truth."


Correct Spanish translation would be:

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. If Federer is better, so be it."

Rozroz
09-30-2012, 03:15 AM
right from the horse's mouth!
http://imageshack.us/a/img844/6529/smoutht.jpg

natalia
09-30-2012, 03:33 AM
I wish Uncle Toni would be quiet! After reading Rafa's book I really hate the man! He had made Rafa an insecure wreck throughout the years. Through emotional abuse and blackmail! He knows that Rafa is so into his family that he would never fire him and he takes advantage of this fact to the max!. Rafa has simply lived out Uncle Toni's dreams as he was not a good enough tennis player to take the world by storm as Rafa has.Rafa is so attached to him and that is what makes the story even sadder. Rafa is a great player like Roger and they have their own styles but they are both tennis gods and will be remembered forever! Uncle Toni likes to talk for Rafa too he is making so much money by doing interviews etc talking about Rafa's injury. Rafa should tell Uncle Toni to go to hell!

Sweetie, you're talking nonsense.

Sid_Vicious
09-30-2012, 03:39 AM
Sweetie, you're talking nonsense.

Yeah, she is. I mean, the guy who won 7 french open titles (11 slams total) will be nothing more than a footnote in tennis history.

underground
09-30-2012, 03:41 AM
OP should change this to the OFFICIAL Federer is the GOAT thread. It's done now, Federer is the undisputed GOAT.:)

Sid_Vicious
09-30-2012, 03:43 AM
Toni Nadal: "Siempre he intentado no esconderle la realidad a Rafael. Si Federer es mejor, pues lo es".

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. Federer is better, it's the truth."


Correct Spanish translation would be:

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. If Federer is better, so be it."

Thanks for the translation, Amx13.

Sentinel
09-30-2012, 04:31 AM
Toni Nadal can't hide it any longer. "Federer is sexi. And classi, too."

The-Champ
09-30-2012, 04:47 AM
Toni saying those things to Rafa is for Rafa's own good.

Toni to Rafa: "Federer is better than you. Now go out there and put him in his place".

Sentinel
09-30-2012, 05:27 AM
Toni saying those things to Rafa is for Rafa's own good.

Toni to Rafa: "Federer is better than you. Now go out there and put him in his place".

True, its just his way of firing up Rafa.

(j/k) But ... if Federer is better than Rafa, then putting Fed in "his place" would mean what ? It should have been "You are better than Fed, now put him in place". :)

natalia
09-30-2012, 05:36 AM
Yeah, she is. I mean, the guy who won 7 french open titles (11 slams total) will be nothing more than a footnote in tennis history.

Still, the part of ms.nadal's comment which I put in bold, is total nonsense.

beast of mallorca
09-30-2012, 05:38 AM
In Spanish:
Toni Nadal: "Siempre he intentado no esconderle la realidad a Rafael. Si Federer es mejor, pues lo es".

In English:
Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. Federer is better, it's the truth.

Toni is an arrogant, lying, fool. How arrogant of him to tell all these lies to his nephew. Like when he said that his nephew is injured but will be back for Davis Cup etc etc. And now this statement. What a twisted lying B. LOL. :twisted:

mltaylor
09-30-2012, 06:15 AM
And it'll be all the more confusing when Nadal reaches 18 slams and wins the CYGS, and when Nadal finishes up with an even better hard-court slam H2H, slam H2H and overall H2H against Federer and the rest of his 'rivals'.

I'll take that bet. How much? :shock:

PeteD
09-30-2012, 06:17 AM
When I read Toni's comment my knee started hurting.

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 06:33 AM
Always nice to see Toni being supportive, isn't it?.

Toni Nadal: "Siempre he intentado no esconderle la realidad a Rafael. Si Federer es mejor, pues lo es".

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. Federer is better, it's the truth."


Correct Spanish translation would be:

Toni Nadal: "I have always tried not to hide the reality to Rafael. If Federer is better, so be it."

Exactly.

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 06:44 AM
Now, the OP posted this link as source: http://www.marca.com/2012/09/28/tenis/1348842189.html

But that quote isn't there.

Way more interesting quotes that are actually there though:

- "I don't know if Rafa Nadal will be available for the DC final nor if the captain will select him since there's people more prepared to play such an decisive tie".

- "I'm not an elite coach, I'm a normal coach who trains an elite athlete. If I wasn't his uncle, he would have fired me already".

- "Rafa would have preferred to play at Real Madrid than being a tennis player". (Clarky's going to like this one).

Nathaniel_Near
09-30-2012, 06:50 AM
When I read Toni's comment my knee started hurting.

Ah, so I wasn't the only one...

beast of mallorca
09-30-2012, 07:04 AM
Toni saying those things to Rafa is for Rafa's own good.

Toni to Rafa: "Federer is better than you. Now go out there and put him in his place".

Stop it Champ! We don't want a crying spiel no more ok ! :)

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 07:14 AM
Sweetie, you're talking nonsense.

No I am not! Rafa will be remembered like Fed! They had a big rivalry, remember?! Federer and Rafa will always be twinned together! Whether you like it or not. They are both great in my eyes I just prefer Rafa more. Rafa has won 11 slams and you people still think nothing of him! What does he have to do for you people to give him any credit? Why do you lot hate Rafa so much?! Rafa has won more slams than Mac and others so why not respect him? Plus how Rafa has won RG 7 times is amazing! To be motivated so many times to keep going back and winning more titles. I would never discredit Roger or any other player for their slam acheivements. Rafa and Roger are special players. We won't see their likes for many years I assure you. Look at the Harrisons, Donalds, Tomic's etc, they won't do much. If you think otherwise , good luck to you all. Vamos Rafa! Come back and get these people to eat their words!

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 07:16 AM
Who are the Rafa fans on here? I only see Chrissti as a fan, nobody else!

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 07:16 AM
This tennis warehouse should be renamed Federer Paradise!

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 07:23 AM
Who are the Rafa fans on here? I only see Chrissti as a fan, nobody else!

There's plenty. Mustard, Tushar, Clarky, Michael Nadal, Babette... I haven't seen Tennis fan 3 in a while (was that his name?) and Namelessone.

Nathaniel_Near
09-30-2012, 07:24 AM
Yeh, there are at least 8 or so Nadal fans here.

beast of mallorca
09-30-2012, 07:25 AM
There's plenty. Mustard, Tushar, Clarky, Michael Nadal, Babette... I haven't seen Tennis fan 3 in a while (was that his name?) and Namelessone.

If Clarky is a Rafafan, then I'm the biggest Fed fan there is. :twisted:

The-Champ
09-30-2012, 07:30 AM
There's plenty. Mustard, Tushar, Clarky, Michael Nadal, Babette... I haven't seen Tennis fan 3 in a while (was that his name?) and Namelessone.

Hey, I'm a fan too. :)

Gizo
09-30-2012, 07:32 AM
Toni Nadal's comments about CRonaldo and Messi were far more interesting in my opinion:

"Cristiano's problem is he can't accept Messi is better. If he would, he wouldn't be so sad."

power level 800
09-30-2012, 07:38 AM
C'mone guy's, uncle Tony could be doing something alot of us do on here on TT you know, that thing called. : TROLLING!!!

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-30-2012, 07:39 AM
There's plenty. Mustard, Tushar, Clarky, Michael Nadal, Babette... I haven't seen Tennis fan 3 in a while (was that his name?) and Namelessone.

They're ultimately drowned out by the number of Federer fans, though.

Nathaniel_Near
09-30-2012, 07:39 AM
If Clarky is a Rafafan, then I'm the biggest Fed fan there is. :twisted:

True story.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 07:42 AM
Beast of Mallorca Who do you like?

6-1, 6-3, 6-0: Rafa fans are drowned out here hence my Federer Paradise quote! Who do you like?

I can't work people out with their comments at times.

beast of mallorca
09-30-2012, 07:49 AM
Beast of Mallorca Who do you like?

6-1, 6-3, 6-0: Rafa fans are drowned out here hence my Federer Paradise quote! Who do you like?

I can't work people out with their comments at times.

Doesn't my name give enough hints ? :)

I'm a Nadal fan obviously. I also like Ferrer, Gasquet, Del Potro, Djoker, Monfils, Tsonga etc.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 07:53 AM
Doesn't my name give enough hints ? :)

I'm a Nadal fan obviously. I also like Ferrer, Gasquet, Del Potro, Djoker, Monfils, Tsonga etc.

Haha! Just wanted to make sure :). Getting there with knowing the posters on here.

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 08:05 AM
If Clarky is a Rafafan, then I'm the biggest Fed fan there is. :twisted:

It takes all kinds :)

Hey, I'm a fan too. :)

Sorry! :).

So there's also The Champ and Beast of Mallorca. And CMM and Veroniquem, of course. And there's some guy I can't remember his name. The one the pic of Rafa and Miguel Angel Nadal on Barcelona outfits.

Oh, and there's ***/6-1 6-3 6-0, etc. A girl called Maria Nadal I think posts here sometimes as well.

So that's be like 16.

They're ultimately drowned out by the number of Federer fans, though.

Not really. There's too many haters though, and that kind of people always make more noise.

90's Clay
09-30-2012, 08:15 AM
The "better player" has been abused by Rafa his entire career. And I think the truth is, the only thing that stopped Rafa from a better career you could say was injuries.

Clarky21
09-30-2012, 09:06 AM
And Rafa is missing all this time now in his prime! :(. I am very proud of Rafa's 11 slams. He has achieved more than I thought he would! :). I am proud to be a Rafa fan and unlike Uncle Toni, I think Rafa is amazing and very talented. His fans love him, probably more than Uncle Toni does!


Nadal s not in his prime. People really need to stop insisting that he is.


And people also need to ignore ********* and his multiple personalites. The more you respond to him the more he is going to troll and incite.

Clarky21
09-30-2012, 09:13 AM
Still, the part of ms.nadal's comment which I put in bold, is total nonsense.



Just what is nonsense about saying that Fed and Nadal are both greats? Because she included Nadal in there alongside Fed? I guess we will just sweep his 7 RG titles,8 MC titles,6 Rome titles,7 Barcelona titles,and 11 total slams under the rug just because you are a butthurt *******. Unfortunately for you Nadal exists so deal with it.

Hood_Man
09-30-2012, 09:16 AM
I'm a bit disappointed that the thread title alluded to basically another "He is the favourite, no?" kind of story.

I thought it was going to say that Tony was coming out or something :shock:

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-30-2012, 09:25 AM
6-1, 6-3, 6-0: Rafa fans are drowned out here hence my Federer Paradise quote! Who do you like?

I'm a fan of players that show emotion on the court.

And people also need to ignore ********* and his multiple personalites. The more you respond to him the more he is going to troll and incite.

Just out of curiosity, who is *********? I'm accused of being '***' (former user nadal_slam_king, I believe). It might be helpful so I too can ignore his accounts. :mad:

Sartorius
09-30-2012, 09:33 AM
Not really. There's too many haters though, and that kind of people always make more noise.

Are you aware who exactly is the person this quote is directed to?.. :D

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 09:34 AM
Are you aware who exactly is the person this quote is directed to?.. :D

Ms. Nadal?, I don't think she's ***, if that's what you mean...

kishnabe
09-30-2012, 09:34 AM
It takes all kinds :)



Sorry! :).

So there's also The Champ and Beast of Mallorca. And CMM and Veroniquem, of course. And there's some guy I can't remember his name. The one the pic of Rafa and Miguel Angel Nadal on Barcelona outfits.

Oh, and there's ***/6-1 6-3 6-0, etc. A girl called Maria Nadal I think posts here sometimes as well.

So that's be like 16.



Not really. There's too many haters though, and that kind of people always make more noise.

How could you forget Babbette, ViscaB, and Sentinel( Rafa biggest TT fan) :twisted:!

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 09:36 AM
How could you forget Babbette and ViscaB :twisted:!

I didn't forget Babbette, I mention her in a previous post :)
Point taken about ViscaB though.

Vcore89
09-30-2012, 09:37 AM
Oh yeah...Uncle Toni's motive is pure:grin: and brilliant all too knowing in-disguise!

...no one is buying...

cc0509
09-30-2012, 09:44 AM
Still, the part of ms.nadal's comment which I put in bold, is total nonsense.

No it isn't. This was the part of the comment you bolded:

Rafa is a great player like Roger and they have their own styles but they are both tennis gods and will be remembered forever!

What is nonsense about that? Right now because of Roger's achievements he has to be seen as the greater player but, they are both tennis greats and will be remembered forever, that is the truth. Nadal could retire tomorrow and not hit another tennis ball and he would be one of the top five all time greats. What is nonsense about that?

Federer20042006
09-30-2012, 09:50 AM
He tells his nephew, who beats Federer over and over, that Federer is better, and he just has to deal with that reality.

OK, let's be real here...that's just pure motivation at work, not actual belief.

sureshs
09-30-2012, 10:01 AM
Federer is definitely better than Toni Nadal, and Rafa should just accept it

RF20Lennon
09-30-2012, 10:02 AM
Toni nadal is right for once???? Surprising....

TMF
09-30-2012, 10:05 AM
It doesn't matter what Toni said in order for Nadal to know who's better. He's 25 now, if he doesn't acknowledge that Fed is better than him then something is seriously wrong with him. You can fool a kid that Superman does exist, but eventually he'll know that it's just a comic book superhero.

Sabratha
09-30-2012, 10:08 AM
It doesn't matter what Toni said in order for Nadal to know who's better. He's 25 now, if he doesn't acknowledge that Fed is better than him then something is seriously wrong with him. You can fool a kid that Superman does exist, but eventually he'll know that it's just a comic book superhero.
He's still got a winning head to head with Federer, in a sense he is better.

cc0509
09-30-2012, 10:19 AM
It doesn't matter what Toni said in order for Nadal to know who's better. He's 25 now, if he doesn't acknowledge that Fed is better than him then something is seriously wrong with him. You can fool a kid that Superman does exist, but eventually he'll know that it's just a comic book superhero.

Nadal is 26.

Federer is the greater player because of his overall achievements and he is the more naturally talented player, but, in their matches on the big stages, Nadal is the "stronger" player. I am not saying Nadal is the better player but the stronger player in their slam match-ups. There really is no way to argue against that fact(and yes I know the majority of their matches have been on clay which is advantage Nadal.) There is a huge mental component in their match-ups at this point and Nadal uses that to his advantage, no doubt about it.

Also the fact that Uncle Toni tells Nadal that Federer is the superior player is definitely a psychological tactic that Toni is using in order for Nadal to go out there and play his very best against Federer time after time, it is no coincidence. Uncle Toni is a wise and sneaky guy, he knows what he is doing.

Sartorius
09-30-2012, 10:26 AM
Ms. Nadal?, I don't think she's ***, if that's what you mean...

You said that quote to 6-1 6-3 6-0 ;)

cc0509
09-30-2012, 10:30 AM
Ms. Nadal?, I don't think she's ***, if that's what you mean...

Ms. Nadal is definitely some smart***** poster posting with a "different" identity as Ms. Nadal. Not sure if it is ***, or some other big Nadal fan like him or if it is a huge Federer fan/Nadal hater. It is definitely one of those options and the Ms. Nadal persona is not for real, that much is for sure.

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 10:33 AM
You said that quote to 6-1 6-3 6-0 ;)

Oh, did I? :)

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 10:34 AM
Ms. Nadal is definitely some smart***** poster posting with a "different" identity as Ms. Nadal. Not sure if it is ***, or some other big Nadal fan like him or if it is a huge Federer fan/Nadal hater. It is definitely one of those options and the Ms. Nadal persona is not for real, that much is for sure.

I don't know... tbh, I don't think I care either...

cc0509
09-30-2012, 10:36 AM
I don't know... tbh, I don't think I care either...

Just sayin', it is very obvious that Ms. Nadal is a "creation" by a poster who probably has or had multiple accounts.

BreakPoint
09-30-2012, 10:48 AM
This is not new news. Nadal has always stated that he thinks Federer is better than him in EVERY interview I've ever seen with Nadal when this topic has come up.

He knows it, we know it, the entire world knows it. :)

Nadal knows he's not as good nor as talented as Federer so he has to win through sheer determination, guts, and grinding. That's why even though Federer is 5 years older than Nadal and has played many more matches than Nadal has, Federer is still #1 in the world while Nadal's knees are already done and dusted. :(

TMF
09-30-2012, 10:48 AM
Also the fact that Uncle Toni tells Nadal that Federer is the superior player is definitely a psychological tactic that Toni is using in order for Nadal to go out there and play his very best against Federer time after time, it is no coincidence. Uncle Toni is a wise and sneaky guy, he knows what he is doing.

I think it's about time that Toni cut out the crap because he isn't fooling Nadal anymore because he's no longer a kid. Of course I could be wrong if Nadal can't think/reason for himself(e.g. keep looking up into his box for toni's sign/signal during the match).

Dedans Penthouse
09-30-2012, 10:49 AM
Just sayin', it is very obvious that Ms. Nadal is a "creation" by a poster who probably has or had multiple accounts.
Obvious a troll and a phony as well, pretending to be a fan of Nadal. In the troll's 1st thead ("Anyone miss Nadal?"), she herself posts about how the game's better off and that it's "nice and quiet" without Nadal.

Tool.

cc0509
09-30-2012, 11:00 AM
I think it's about time that Toni cut out the crap because he isn't fooling Nadal anymore because he's no longer a kid. Of course I could be wrong if Nadal can't think/reason for himself(e.g. keep looking up into his box for toni's sign/signal during the match).

I think it is a good motivation tool Toni uses to ensure Nadal plays his extra best when he plays Federer in slams. Obviously it has worked. Even though Nadal is an adult and can think for himself, Toni has used these psychological training techniques for Nadal since Nadal was a kid and it is just a part of who Nadal is.

Think about it, Toni knew Federer was the more talented player so he had to come up with other methods for Nadal to beat Federer. Nadal does not just beat Federer with his lefty topspin high bouncing balls to Federer's backhand, he also beats Federer because of the mental advantage Nadal has built up against Federer. The brains behind all of this was Toni and he was smart, no way around it. From day one, Nadal has played Federer with seemingly no fear, that was all Toni's doing--i.e. go out there and have no fear against a guy who is more talented than you are and you have a much better chance.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 11:32 AM
Why are people still questioning me in here?! These people you claim I am I don't even know them as I am a new joiner! I give up now! Is it my user name? It is just a user name! Nothing behind it. I have no mates in here. Might not bother coming in here. So clap! Don't understand all this hostility towards me.

above bored
09-30-2012, 11:47 AM
He's still got a winning head to head with Federer, in a sense he is better.
Then in a sense, Davydenko is better than Nadal or at least his equal.

blackfrido
09-30-2012, 11:51 AM
Nadal is a smart guy, he does not need anyone to tell him what is obvious!

Crisstti
09-30-2012, 11:56 AM
Obvious a troll and a phony as well, pretending to be a fan of Nadal. In the troll's 1st thead ("Anyone miss Nadal?"), she herself posts about how the game's better off and that it's "nice and quiet" without Nadal.

Tool.

I think you're right, I had forgotten about that.

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 12:09 PM
I think you're right, I had forgotten about that.

Thanks Chrissti! Just like everyone else on here! Rafa has been whinging too much and that is why I said it has been quiet without him! I can criticise him sometimes! I like him but doesn't mean I have to agree with all that he does. Nobody is perfect! I will never convince you guys, I don't like Rafa whinging because everyone jumps on it like people on here! don't think it is good for him to moan so much. I wanted to see if people missed him as I was and it has been turned into a hater thing. What nonsense! Then you all ignore me as far as I am concerned you all love Roger. Even ypu Chrissti Rafa fan my foot. You guys never stick up for him!

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 12:10 PM
Obvious a troll and a phony as well, pretending to be a fan of Nadal. In the troll's 1st thead ("Anyone miss Nadal?"), she herself posts about how the game's better off and that it's "nice and quiet" without Nadal.

Tool.
You know nothing about me! :evil:

Ms Nadal
09-30-2012, 12:37 PM
Am done with in here so you all got what you wanted. Nobody gave me a chance in here. For some unknown my username offended people in here from the off and then I was forever accused of being a Rafa hater! How mad does that sound. I can't believe the logic myself. I am a huge Rafa fan and nobody ever noticed! Just because you are a fan of a player doesn't mean I have to agree with all he does. He does moan too much about things and I think it's not always good for him to do! Hence, all of you are always tearing him down because he talks about the hardcourts. That is why I prefer him to keep his thoughts to himself at times! How can that be a hater?! Simply a difference of opinion!. I was looking forward to good banter in here and all of you made me feel so unwelcome! Gosh what a horrible bunch of people you are! Calling me all these other people whose names mean nothing to me. Anyway, you won't see me in here again. I have other sites that appreciate my views and don't see me as having alterior motives. Which is totally off the mark with no proof!! Good luck to you all, you all deserve each other. I would never recommend any mates of mine to join this hostile forum. You don't want new members, you are very close knit and make new people feel unwelcome. You all view newbies as enemies!Too obsessed with trolls that you mistake people for them. Enjoy your close knit forum full of narrow minded surfers! Glad not to be in the club!. I like to share my time with intelligent people! Plus you all love Federer! That is why you don't know a real Rafa fan when you see one. Rafa is the best! Roger is just Mr Traditional who the whole world goes with! So boring to go with the general consensus. But, you guys are just narrow minded dots!

cc0509
09-30-2012, 12:55 PM
Why are people still questioning me in here?! These people you claim I am I don't even know them as I am a new joiner! I give up now! Is it my user name? It is just a user name! Nothing behind it. I have no mates in here. Might not bother coming in here. So clap! Don't understand all this hostility towards me.


Come on! Give it up. The fact is that you you tried to create a new identity who claimed to be a Nadal fan but your over the top posts and language you used gave you up early for any perceptive person. Not everybody is stupid you know!

You get an A- for effort, how is that, although I can't for the life of me understand how anybody on a tennis forum would want to have multiple accounts and aliases. How scary is that?

cc0509
09-30-2012, 12:59 PM
I was looking forward to good banter in here and all of you made me feel so unwelcome! Gosh what a horrible bunch of people you are! Calling me all these other people whose names mean nothing to me. Anyway, you won't see me in here again. I have other sites that appreciate my views and don't see me as having alterior motives.

Quit while you are ahead. It is overkill now and all you are doing is proving that you are a multiple identity. Just shhhhhh! There is something to be said for the expression less is more. ;)

Pet
09-30-2012, 01:01 PM
That translation is wrong wrong wrong.

He says basically that:

If Federer is better than you, It's alright no problem.

Clarky21
09-30-2012, 01:21 PM
Come on! Give it up. The fact is that you you tried to create a new identity who claimed to be a Nadal fan but your over the top posts and language you used gave you up early for any perceptive person. Not everybody is stupid you know!You get an A- for effort, how is that, although I can't for the life of me understand how anybody on a tennis forum would want to have multiple accounts and aliases. How scary is that?



Yep. I spotted Ms. Nadal right off the bat as yet another one of *********'s accounts on here. It could not be more obvious if it came up and slapped you silly. Lol.

6-1 6-3 6-0
09-30-2012, 01:27 PM
Looks like Clarky21 is *********. :mad:

cc0509
09-30-2012, 01:40 PM
Yep. I spotted Ms. Nadal right off the bat as yet another one of *********'s accounts on here. It could not be more obvious if it came up and slapped you silly. Lol.


********* or it could be a Federer fan who has been banned and is trying to act like a gushing Nadal fan. Either way it is obvious it is an alias, very obvious, lol.

NadalAgassi
09-30-2012, 01:46 PM
I dont think Ms. Nadal is even a Nadal fan. Probably a fake Nadal fan who used to be DjokovicFortheWin or aphex or someone like that.

cc0509
09-30-2012, 01:52 PM
I dont think Ms. Nadal is even a Nadal fan. Probably a fake Nadal fan who used to be DjokovicFortheWin or aphex or someone like that.

That is what I suggested a while back. Sounded like DFTW to me. It could be him or it could be ***/*********. Either way there is no question that poster is an alias and a very obvious one. He or she needs to take some psych courses to figure out how to be a less obvious alias, lol.

Clarky21
09-30-2012, 02:11 PM
I dont think Ms. Nadal is even a Nadal fan. Probably a fake Nadal fan who used to be DjokovicFortheWin or aphex or someone like that.



I think you might be right. I know trollforthewin was back recently under another name I can't remember. I wouldn't be surprised if he were Ms Nadal as well.

smoledman
09-30-2012, 02:53 PM
Doh, it's what we all knew since 2004.

Mike Sams
09-30-2012, 03:48 PM
Exactly what they said when Nadal had never won the US Open. And then, boom, 2010. Nadal won 2010 USO.

This isn't 2010 anymore. :lol: That was the final year that Nadal won something off clay. Now at nearing 27 and with the rise of Murray and Djokovic, the window to winning anything on hardcourts is closing....fast!

TheMusicLover
09-30-2012, 03:54 PM
Can someone please explain to me why so-called hardcore Nadal fans are always fighting amongh themselves about who's a genuine Nadal fan, and even fighting outsiders on that matter just the same?
Sheez.

MichaelNadal
09-30-2012, 07:27 PM
That translation is wrong wrong wrong.

He says basically that:

If Federer is better than you, It's alright no problem.

Exactly, and it's not even worth a thread. Nothing wrong with Federer being better, Nadal has a great career.

Mike Sams
09-30-2012, 08:58 PM
Exactly, and it's not even worth a thread. Nothing wrong with Federer being better, Nadal has a great career.

For Nadal to only win 1 USO and 1 AO is pretty disappointing considering the courts have been considerably slowed down to suit his style of game.

Vcore89
10-01-2012, 01:42 AM
Just remember, when somebody taps you at the back, he/she wants you to cough something up.:wink:

TennisLovaLova
10-01-2012, 02:59 AM
Toni Nadal is an expert in motivation
he has already said stuff like this to push Nadal
nothing new here

The_Order
10-01-2012, 04:02 AM
Rafa beats Fed in AO final but still says Roger's the best.

Ask yourself, if you were told that you had to bet your LIFE on who would win between Fed and Rafa at a RANDOM major, who would you bet on?

Rafa's beaten him in 3/4 majors and if you think Wimbleodn gives Fed an advantage don't kid yourself, baby Rafa almost beat him there, prime Rafa would beat him. The only unknown is the USO but considering Rafa's h2h against Fed in outdoor HC matches, you'd be crazy to bet against Rafa in that one too.

cknobman
10-01-2012, 06:15 AM
Rafa beats Fed in AO final but still says Roger's the best.

Ask yourself, if you were told that you had to bet your LIFE on who would win between Fed and Rafa at a RANDOM major, who would you bet on?

Rafa's beaten him in 3/4 majors and if you think Wimbleodn gives Fed an advantage don't kid yourself, baby Rafa almost beat him there, prime Rafa would beat him. The only unknown is the USO but considering Rafa's h2h against Fed in outdoor HC matches, you'd be crazy to bet against Rafa in that one too.

Yeah match-ups make a huge difference in tennis so of course Federer is going to have a hard time against Rafa.

Replace Federer with Djokovic and I would bet my life on Djokovic to win at a RANDOM major every time. Djokovic has become a nightmare match-up for Rafa on any surface (Clay included).

TennisLovaLova
10-01-2012, 06:21 AM
^^^^ seriously who'd bet his life on a tennis match really???!!!!

RF20Lennon
10-01-2012, 07:06 AM
Rafa beats Fed in AO final but still says Roger's the best.

Ask yourself, if you were told that you had to bet your LIFE on who would win between Fed and Rafa at a RANDOM major, who would you bet on?

Rafa's beaten him in 3/4 majors and if you think Wimbleodn gives Fed an advantage don't kid yourself, baby Rafa almost beat him there, prime Rafa would beat him. The only unknown is the USO but considering Rafa's h2h against Fed in outdoor HC matches, you'd be crazy to bet against Rafa in that one too.

Don't give me that baby rafa BS first off fed had mono second he squandered converting BP at 4-3 5th set and finally no one wins Wimbledon if there a baby

abmk
10-01-2012, 09:47 AM
Rafa beats Fed in AO final but still says Roger's the best.

Ask yourself, if you were told that you had to bet your LIFE on who would win between Fed and Rafa at a RANDOM major, who would you bet on?

Rafa's beaten him in 3/4 majors and if you think Wimbleodn gives Fed an advantage don't kid yourself, baby Rafa almost beat him there, prime Rafa would beat him. The only unknown is the USO but considering Rafa's h2h against Fed in outdoor HC matches, you'd be crazy to bet against Rafa in that one too.

baby rafa ? LOL .... that was probably the 2nd best grass court match he's played ... probably the best off the ground ...

if it is known it is outside of clay, people shouldn't have trouble betting on federer ..... both AO matches were with federer not near his best/peak ...

Clarky21
10-01-2012, 09:47 AM
Don't give me that baby rafa BS first off fed had mono second he squandered converting BP at 4-3 5th set and finally no one wins Wimbledon if there a baby



They weren't talking about 2008,they were talking about 2007 where Nadal DID push Fed,and probably would have won it if he didn't get screwed over by the scheduling.

And don't give me that mono crap. Fed fans are quick to label Nadal an excuse maker,but don't hesitate to drag out the old standby mono excuse for every loss he had in 2008(and after as well it seems). Fed was not sick anymore by Wimby,and sleepwalked his way to the final without even dropping a set. Unless he only had mono in the final,he was NOT sick,and even said so himself.

abmk
10-01-2012, 09:49 AM
They weren't talking about 2008,they were talking about 2007 where Nadal DID push Fed,and probably would have won it if he didn't get screwed over by the scheduling.



I call BS on the scheduling part ... djoker retired mid-way through the semi, so rafa had that + a day off .... He had plenty of rest ... he lost because federer was the more determined player that day ...

Clarky21
10-01-2012, 09:53 AM
I call BS on the scheduling part ... djoker retired mid-way through the semi, so rafa had that + a day off .... He had plenty of rest ... he lost because federer was the more determined player that day ...

No way. He played 7 days straight,and no lousy day off is going to make up for that.

abmk
10-01-2012, 09:57 AM
No way. He played 7 days straight,and no lousy day off is going to make up for that.

oh yeah, because nadal sits down lazily eating chips and doesn't practice like crazy in the days off b/w tournaments ????? Give me a break !!!

he was running around like crazy from the start to the end and played well throughout in that final ......

Hood_Man
10-01-2012, 10:00 AM
Excuses are simply explanations you don't want to hear.

Federer's mono in 2008 is no less acceptable than Nadal's injury problems from his Wimbledon run in 2007, but to flat out deny one and then accept the other with open arms? Come on :|

abmk
10-01-2012, 10:03 AM
Excuses are simply explanations you don't want to hear.

Federer's mono in 2008 is no less acceptable than Nadal's injury problems from his Wimbledon run in 2007, but to flat out deny one and then accept the other with open arms? Come on :|

If we're talking about wimbledon 2008, I'd agree ...... but mono did majorly affect federer in the early part of 2008 ...

IMO, it was the manner of the loss at RG that still lingered and had its effects in the wimby final in 2008 final

nadal was playing just as well after the timeout as he was before it in the 2007 finals .... so the injury excuses are all BS ...

Agassifan
10-01-2012, 10:25 AM
Toni got on the internet

Most GS titles
1. Roger Federer 17*
2. Pete Sampras 14
3. Björn Borg 11
= Rafael Nadal 11*
5. Jimmy Connors 8
= Ivan Lendl 8
= Andre Agassi 8
8. John McEnroe 7
= Mats Wilander 7
10. Stefan Edberg 6
= Boris Becker 6

GS finals
1. Roger Federer 24*
2. Ivan Lendl 19
3. Pete Sampras 18
4. Björn Borg 16
= Rafael Nadal 16*
6. Jimmy Connors 15
= Andre Agassi 15
8. John McEnroe 11
= Mats Wilander 11
= Stefan Edberg 11

Consecutive GS finals
1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8
3. Rafael Nadal 5
4. Andre Agassi 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Novak Djokovic 4
7. Jimmy Connors 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Mats Wilander 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Pete Sampras 3
= Rafael Nadal 3


GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 32*
2. Jimmy Connors 31
3. Ivan Lendl 28
4. Andre Agassi 26
5. Pete Sampras 23
6. John McEnroe 19
= Stefan Edberg 19
8. Boris Becker 18
9. Björn Borg 17
= Rafael Nadal 16*

Consecutive GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 23
2. Ivan Lendl 10
3. Novak Djokovic 9*
4. Ivan Lendl 6
= Nadal 6
6. Novak Djokovic 5
= Boris Becker 5
8. Roger Federer 4*
= Rod Laver 4
= Tony Roche 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Jim Courer 4
= Nadal 4
= Andy Murray 4

GS quarter-finals
1. Jimmy Connors 41
2. Roger Federer 38*
3. Agassi 36
4. Ivan Lendl 34
5. Pete Sampras 29
6. John McEnroe 26
= Stefan Edberg 26
8. Boris Becker 23
= Rafael Nadal 23*
9. Novak Djokovic 22*
10. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 34*
2. Ivan Lendl 14
= Novak Djokovic 14*
4. Rafael Nadal 11
5. Pete Sampras 10
6. Ivan Lendl 7
= Mats Wilander 7
= Andy Murray 7
9. Andre Agassi 6
= Rafael Nadal 6

All Four Slams Per Year
Rod Laver 1969

Three Slams Per Year
Jimmy Connors 1974
Mats Wilander 1988
Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Rafael Nadal 2010
Novak Djokovic 2011


All Four Finals Per Year
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2009
Rod Laver 1969

All Four Semi-finals Per Year
Rod Laver 1969
Ivan Lendl 1987
Roger Federer 2005
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2008
Roger Federer 2009
Rafael Nadal 2008
Novak Djokovic 2011
Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40
= Roger Federer (US Open), 40
4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31
= Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

Most consecutive Slams played:
1. Wayne Ferreira 56
2. Stefan Edberg 54
3. Roger Federer 52*
4. Fabrice Santoro 46
5. Dominik Hrbatý 44
6. Feliciano Lopez 43*
7. Tommy Robredo 41
8. David Ferrer 40*
9. Mark Woodforde 37
=. Jonas Björkman 37

Most Grand Slam match wins
2. Roger Federer 248*
2. Jimmy Connors 233
3. Andre Agassi 224
4. Ivan Lendl 222
5. Pete Sampras 204

Other Stuff:

Year-End Championships
1. Roger Federer 6*
2. Ivan Lendl 5
= Pete Sampras 5
4. Ilie Nastase 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Boris Becker 3

Most Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer 297+*
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. John McEnroe 170
6. Björn Borg 109
7. Rafael Nadal 102*
8. Andre Agassi 101
9. Lleyton Hewitt 80
10. Stefan Edberg 72

Consecutive Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer (1) 237
2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
9. John McEnroe (1) 58
10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

Year End #1
1. Sampras 6
2. Federer 5*
3. Borg 4
4. Connors 3
= Lendl 3
= McEnroe 3


Highest Season Winning Percentage
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49

Consecutive Match Win Streak
1. Björn Borg 49 1978
2. Björn Borg 48 1979–80
3. Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
4. Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
5. Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
6. John McEnroe 42 1984
7. Roger Federer 41 2006–07
8. Thomas Muster 35 1995
= Roger Federer 35 2005
10.Jimmy Connors 33 1974

The-Champ
10-01-2012, 10:34 AM
Nadal's ground game in the finals of wimbledon 2007-2008 are probably some of the greatest I've seen from Rafa outside clay. Undoubtedly his 2 greatest performances ever on the surface.

Gorecki
10-01-2012, 10:48 AM
seems like i have lost nothing on the past days absense...

Hood_Man
10-01-2012, 10:54 AM
seems like i have lost nothing on the past days absense...

You lost your soul for abandoning us :evil:

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 11:36 AM
if it is known it is outside of clay, people shouldn't have trouble betting on federer ..... both AO matches were with federer not near his best/peak ...

Fed was not near his best in AO 2009?.

If we're talking about wimbledon 2008, I'd agree ...... but mono did majorly affect federer in the early part of 2008 ...

IMO, it was the manner of the loss at RG that still lingered and had its effects in the wimby final in 2008 final

nadal was playing just as well after the timeout as he was before it in the 2007 finals .... so the injury excuses are all BS ...

No, I don't think he was. Plus, he stopped his own momentum there.

underground
10-01-2012, 11:37 AM
Toni got on the internet

Most GS titles
1. Roger Federer 17*
2. Pete Sampras 14
3. Björn Borg 11
= Rafael Nadal 11*
5. Jimmy Connors 8
= Ivan Lendl 8
= Andre Agassi 8
8. John McEnroe 7
= Mats Wilander 7
10. Stefan Edberg 6
= Boris Becker 6

GS finals
1. Roger Federer 24*
2. Ivan Lendl 19
3. Pete Sampras 18
4. Björn Borg 16
= Rafael Nadal 16*
6. Jimmy Connors 15
= Andre Agassi 15
8. John McEnroe 11
= Mats Wilander 11
= Stefan Edberg 11

Consecutive GS finals
1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8
3. Rafael Nadal 5
4. Andre Agassi 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Novak Djokovic 4
7. Jimmy Connors 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Mats Wilander 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Pete Sampras 3
= Rafael Nadal 3


GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 32*
2. Jimmy Connors 31
3. Ivan Lendl 28
4. Andre Agassi 26
5. Pete Sampras 23
6. John McEnroe 19
= Stefan Edberg 19
8. Boris Becker 18
9. Björn Borg 17
= Rafael Nadal 16*

Consecutive GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 23
2. Ivan Lendl 10
3. Novak Djokovic 9*
4. Ivan Lendl 6
= Nadal 6
6. Novak Djokovic 5
= Boris Becker 5
8. Roger Federer 4*
= Rod Laver 4
= Tony Roche 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Jim Courer 4
= Nadal 4
= Andy Murray 4

GS quarter-finals
1. Jimmy Connors 41
2. Roger Federer 38*
3. Agassi 36
4. Ivan Lendl 34
5. Pete Sampras 29
6. John McEnroe 26
= Stefan Edberg 26
8. Boris Becker 23
= Rafael Nadal 23*
9. Novak Djokovic 22*
10. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 34*
2. Ivan Lendl 14
= Novak Djokovic 14*
4. Rafael Nadal 11
5. Pete Sampras 10
6. Ivan Lendl 7
= Mats Wilander 7
= Andy Murray 7
9. Andre Agassi 6
= Rafael Nadal 6

All Four Slams Per Year
Rod Laver 1969

Three Slams Per Year
Jimmy Connors 1974
Mats Wilander 1988
Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Rafael Nadal 2010
Novak Djokovic 2011


All Four Finals Per Year
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2009
Rod Laver 1969

All Four Semi-finals Per Year
Rod Laver 1969
Ivan Lendl 1987
Roger Federer 2005
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2008
Roger Federer 2009
Rafael Nadal 2008
Novak Djokovic 2011
Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40
= Roger Federer (US Open), 40
4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31
= Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

Most consecutive Slams played:
1. Wayne Ferreira 56
2. Stefan Edberg 54
3. Roger Federer 52*
4. Fabrice Santoro 46
5. Dominik Hrbatý 44
6. Feliciano Lopez 43*
7. Tommy Robredo 41
8. David Ferrer 40*
9. Mark Woodforde 37
=. Jonas Björkman 37

Most Grand Slam match wins
2. Roger Federer 248*
2. Jimmy Connors 233
3. Andre Agassi 224
4. Ivan Lendl 222
5. Pete Sampras 204

Other Stuff:

Year-End Championships
1. Roger Federer 6*
2. Ivan Lendl 5
= Pete Sampras 5
4. Ilie Nastase 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Boris Becker 3

Most Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer 297+*
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. John McEnroe 170
6. Björn Borg 109
7. Rafael Nadal 102*
8. Andre Agassi 101
9. Lleyton Hewitt 80
10. Stefan Edberg 72

Consecutive Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer (1) 237
2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
9. John McEnroe (1) 58
10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

Year End #1
1. Sampras 6
2. Federer 5*
3. Borg 4
4. Connors 3
= Lendl 3
= McEnroe 3


Highest Season Winning Percentage
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49

Consecutive Match Win Streak
1. Björn Borg 49 1978
2. Björn Borg 48 1979–80
3. Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
4. Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
5. Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
6. John McEnroe 42 1984
7. Roger Federer 41 2006–07
8. Thomas Muster 35 1995
= Roger Federer 35 2005
10.Jimmy Connors 33 1974

I might just repost this quote every time *** makes an invalid argument.

gsharma
10-01-2012, 11:56 AM
I might just repost this quote every time *** makes an invalid argument.

If you want to be so thorough, why not post the Nadal vs Federer head-to-head as well?

RF20Lennon
10-01-2012, 11:59 AM
They weren't talking about 2008,they were talking about 2007 where Nadal DID push Fed,and probably would have won it if he didn't get screwed over by the scheduling.

And don't give me that mono crap. Fed fans are quick to label Nadal an excuse maker,but don't hesitate to drag out the old standby mono excuse for every loss he had in 2008(and after as well it seems). Fed was not sick anymore by Wimby,and sleepwalked his way to the final without even dropping a set. Unless he only had mono in the final,he was NOT sick,and even said so himself.

Federer was sweating heavily in the Simon match in Toronto!! Mono doesn't act up everyday some days are a bit low some days are very low!!! Fed completely recovered post USO then had back issues. Also if your a baby learning to play on grass you don't make the wimby final so please stop!

RF20Lennon
10-01-2012, 12:01 PM
If you want to be so thorough, why not post the Nadal vs Federer head-to-head as well?

*** posts that himself ;)

gsharma
10-01-2012, 12:05 PM
*** posts that himself ;)

I'm sure he does. My point is, if you are going to post stats, post all of them. Don't cherry-pick the stats.

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 12:08 PM
That list also shows Rafa is the only player who could reach Fed, so it clearly explains the hatred many of them have for him.

Mike Sams
10-01-2012, 12:16 PM
That list also shows Rafa is the only player who could reach Fed, so it clearly explains the hatred many of them have for him.

It's no different than the hate spewed towards Djokovic by the *******s.

RF20Lennon
10-01-2012, 12:18 PM
I'm sure he does. My point is, if you are going to post stats, post all of them. Don't cherry-pick the stats.

When your posting stats to support you in a debate why would you include something that you're opponent already is using??

Sid_Vicious
10-01-2012, 12:23 PM
Federer was sweating heavily in the Simon match in Toronto!! Mono doesn't act up everyday some days are a bit low some days are very low!!! Fed completely recovered post USO then had back issues. Also if your a baby learning to play on grass you don't make the wimby final so please stop!

Enough with that garbage. Federer did not have Mono in August of 2008. Federer was Mono free since January of 2008 and this crap about Federer having Mono for the entire duration of 2008 is a lie propagated by weird Federer fans.

Mike Sams
10-01-2012, 12:33 PM
Enough with that garbage. Federer did not have Mono in August of 2008. Federer was Mono free since January of 2008 and this crap about Federer having Mono for the entire duration of 2008 is a lie propagated by weird Federer fans.

You were Federer's doctor? You do realize he went straight into AO 2008 with ZERO tournament practice which was extremely strange, right?

Sid_Vicious
10-01-2012, 12:40 PM
You were Federer's doctor? You do realize he went straight into AO 2008 with ZERO tournament practice which was extremely strange, right?


What I was getting at was that Federer did not have mono when he was playing Simon at Toronto 2008.

And yes, Federer did not have much practice going into AO 2008. That was the biggest downside of Mono for him. He said that he missed training blocks. However, RF20Lennon's attempt to sell the made up story that Federer was suffering from Mono throughout 2008 is ridiculous.

BreakPoint
10-01-2012, 11:21 PM
Enough with that garbage. Federer did not have Mono in August of 2008. Federer was Mono free since January of 2008 and this crap about Federer having Mono for the entire duration of 2008 is a lie propagated by weird Federer fans.
Um.....how long has Soderling been out with mono? :???:

Mono ended Ancic's career as he suffered from it for many years. Even many people on this board who have had mono suffered the effects of it for a year or longer. Federer continued to play in 2008 DESPITE having mono because he's the superhuman GOAT.

tennis_pro
10-01-2012, 11:47 PM
What I was getting at was that Federer did not have mono when he was playing Simon at Toronto 2008.

And yes, Federer did not have much practice going into AO 2008. That was the biggest downside of Mono for him. He said that he missed training blocks. However, RF20Lennon's attempt to sell the made up story that Federer was suffering from Mono throughout 2008 is ridiculous.

I don't know if Fed had mono throughout 2008 or not, all I know is is that for whatever reason he heavily underperformed, not only against his biggest rivals (Djokovic, Nadal) but also against the field. Something is clearly not right with you if you dominate tennis for half a decade and then suddenly lose to Simon (twice), Fish (in a beatdown), Karlovic, Stepanek to name a few. Even Roddick despite having problems taking sets off of Federer managed to take him out that year.

above bored
10-02-2012, 12:09 AM
What I was getting at was that Federer did not have mono when he was playing Simon at Toronto 2008.

And yes, Federer did not have much practice going into AO 2008. That was the biggest downside of Mono for him. He said that he missed training blocks. However, RF20Lennon's attempt to sell the made up story that Federer was suffering from Mono throughout 2008 is ridiculous.
After dominating 2007, Federer's mono had a huge knock on effect throughout 2008. It knocked his fitness, form and confidence, which resulted in poorer performances than he would have had in 2008, had these things not been adversely affected.

TheFifthSet
10-02-2012, 12:25 AM
Um.....how long has Soderling been out with mono? :???:

Mono ended Ancic's career as he suffered from it for many years. Even many people on this board who have had mono suffered the effects of it for a year or longer. Federer continued to play in 2008 DESPITE having mono because he's the superhuman GOAT.

I don't know what condition Federer was in months after contracting mono -- I don't know. Maybe it affected him deep into 2008, maybe it only affected him for a few weeks. However, I did have mono. I was more or less fully recovered after a month. It varies in terms of how debilitating it can be. You can bet your house that the forms of mono Ancic and Soderling had were far far worse.

beast of mallorca
10-02-2012, 12:47 AM
I don't know what condition Federer was in months after contracting mono -- I don't know. Maybe it affected him deep into 2008, maybe it only affected him for a few weeks. However, I did have mono. I was more or less fully recovered after a month. It varies in terms of how debilitating it can be. You can bet your house that the forms of mono Ancic and Soderling had were far far worse.

They want to believe that mono affected Fed because Fed loss !!! That's all there is to it. Seriously *******s, just suck it up

Gorecki
10-02-2012, 12:47 AM
this forum suffers from MONOtony

Rozroz
10-02-2012, 02:20 AM
time for STEREO.

zagor
10-02-2012, 12:45 PM
What I was getting at was that Federer did not have mono when he was playing Simon at Toronto 2008.

And yes, Federer did not have much practice going into AO 2008. That was the biggest downside of Mono for him. He said that he missed training blocks. However, RF20Lennon's attempt to sell the made up story that Federer was suffering from Mono throughout 2008 is ridiculous.

He's not attempting to sell it (not really), he knows perfectly well he's being ridiculous, he just wants to sick people on Fed fans by annoying them while pretending to be a Fed fan himself.

zagor
10-02-2012, 12:51 PM
Fed was not near his best in AO 2009?

He made a career high number of double faults in a single tourney in 2009 AO, was on the brink of losing in the 4th round (down 2 sets to love) and had his arguably worst serving performance in a slam final (and yes he does usually serve much better even against Nadal).

Fed was hitting the ball pretty solid that tourney but overall his game (movement, serving, transition from defense to offense etc.) was lacking compared to his 2004-2007 HC slams standards (aside from arguably 2006 AO) so no in that sense he wasn't near his best, he was in good form but hardly anything spectacular (again for his high standards).

Mike Sams
10-02-2012, 12:53 PM
He made a career high number of double faults in a single tourney in 2009 AO, was on the brink of losing in the 4th round (down 2 sets to love) and had his arguably worst serving performance in a slam final (and yes he does usually serve much better even against Nadal).

Fed was hitting the ball pretty solid that tourney but overall his game (movement, serving, transition from defense to offense etc.) was lacking compared to his 2004-2007 HC slams standards (aside from arguably 2006 AO) so no in that sense he wasn't near his best, he was in good form but hardly anything spectacular (again for his high standards).

Federer was garbage in AO 2009. He basically gifted the match to Nadal.

Hood_Man
10-02-2012, 12:54 PM
time for STEREO.

:lol: Well played.

zagor
10-02-2012, 12:57 PM
Federer was garbage in AO 2009. He basically gifted the match to Nadal.

Certainly wouldn't go that far, he wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe with Nadal off the ground (before he ran out of gas in the 5th set) in the final if that was the case.

Crisstti
10-02-2012, 12:59 PM
He made a career high number of double faults in a single tourney in 2009 AO, was on the brink of losing in the 4th round (down 2 sets to love) and had his arguably worst serving performance in a slam final (and yes he does usually serve much better even against Nadal).

Fed was hitting the ball pretty solid that tourney but overall his game (movement, serving, transition from defense to offense etc.) was lacking compared to his 2004-2007 HC slams standards (aside from arguably 2006 AO) so no in that sense he wasn't near his best, he was in good form but hardly anything spectacular (again for his high standards).

We could still say he was near he best even if not at his best...

Rjtennis
10-02-2012, 06:19 PM
Federer is better going on records and tiltles, but Nadal isn't bad himself. Fed probably has more talent, but Nadal grinds opponents like no other.

MichaelNadal
10-02-2012, 07:24 PM
Federer is better going on records and tiltles, but Nadal isn't bad himself. Fed probably has more talent, but Nadal grinds opponents like no other.

They are both great for the game in different ways. I miss the dynamic they had 2008 and before.

SQA333
10-02-2012, 10:17 PM
Federer has always been better, and will be forever.

That's the truth.

RF20Lennon
10-02-2012, 11:04 PM
When they both retire this forum will regret those flame wars big time!!

NDFM
10-03-2012, 05:21 AM
When they both retire this forum will regret those flame wars big time!!

I agree 100%. Why can't we appreciate them whilst they are still playing without having to throw hate towards each player.

Hood_Man
10-03-2012, 05:34 AM
When they both retire this forum will regret those flame wars big time!!

I'm already shaking in my boots thinking about the Raonic vs Tomic wars :(

smash hit
10-03-2012, 06:29 AM
Um.....how long has Soderling been out with mono? :???:

Mono ended Ancic's career as he suffered from it for many years. Even many people on this board who have had mono suffered the effects of it for a year or longer. Federer continued to play in 2008 DESPITE having mono because he's the superhuman GOAT.

That is exactly why people do not buy the mono story. He didn't have to miss one tournament and not only that he played a five set match under the heat of the Australian sun.

RF20Lennon
10-03-2012, 06:34 AM
I'm already shaking in my boots thinking about the Raonic vs Tomic wars :(

LOOOL that would officially be the end of tennis

smash hit
10-03-2012, 06:37 AM
was on the brink of losing in the 4th round (down 2 sets to love) and had his arguably worst serving performance in a slam final (and yes he does usually serve much better even against Nadal)..

He still managed to win that match pretty handily, and then went on to demolish Del Potro in his next match.

Tomas Berdych (CZE) 21 W 4-6, 6-7(4), 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 6 W 6-3, 6-0, 6-0

above bored
10-03-2012, 06:43 AM
We could still say he was near he best even if not at his best...
No, Federer served too poorly for this to be near his best. He was in the 40% range for most of it. It's a wonder that it went to 5 sets and that he actually won more points.

RF20Lennon
10-03-2012, 06:43 AM
He still managed to win that match pretty handily, and then went on to demolish Del Potro in his next match.

Tomas Berdych (CZE) 21 W 4-6, 6-7(4), 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 6 W 6-3, 6-0, 6-0

Yes but he got helped by a joke job from Berdych plus Delpo was nowhere near his USO form also Fred's ground game was fine his first serve was terrible

above bored
10-03-2012, 06:58 AM
That is exactly why people do not buy the mono story. He didn't have to miss one tournament and not only that he played a five set match under the heat of the Australian sun.
Aside from the fact mono affects people differently, it's been well documented that Federer was in an Australian hospital on a drip a week or two prior to the 2008 Australian Open and had been experiencing bouts of illness from the end of 2007, subsequently missing a lot of practice and fitness training opportunities. This naturally had an adverse impact on his ability to carry on where he left off in 2007, despite a valiant effort. We saw this in the otherwise inexplcable drop in his performances and results in 2008.

RF20Lennon
10-03-2012, 07:02 AM
That is exactly why people do not buy the mono story. He didn't have to miss one tournament and not only that he played a five set match under the heat of the Australian sun.

The one 5 set match he played in the 2008 Aussie when he had mono was against tipsy in a night match where the roof was closed so dunno what you're on about