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Crisstti
10-01-2012, 12:24 PM
"Esto ya va a gusto particular. A mí, personalmente, ver jugar un Sampras-Ivanisevic aquí o este tipo de jugadores, pues... Yo, desde casa apreciaba lo que estaban haciendo, pero no disfrutaba, porque, al final, no ves juego".

"This is a matter of personal taste. For me, personally, to watch a Sampras - Ivanisevic or that kind of players, well... I from home appreciated what they were doing, but didn't enjoy it, because, at the end, you see no play".

http://www.marca.com/2011/06/22/tenis/wimbledon/1308776146.html

Just setting the record straight, seeing in another thread how widespread a certain mistranslation of that quote is...

Mike Sams
10-01-2012, 12:32 PM
Nadal was playing similar to this against Rosol. Big serving and first strike tennis. Not many long rallies.

The Bawss
10-01-2012, 12:38 PM
Nadal should stop shooting his mouth off and just thank baby Jesus everyday that he wasn't around during the fast era of the 90s.

The Meat
10-01-2012, 12:59 PM
Obviously he didn't like how the past greats played well into their 30's, poor *******. :(

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 01:02 PM
Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Just accept Rafa didn't say serve and volley wasn't real tennis, like many people like to claim he did. That's the only point I was making. I do not care to get into childish arguments with you guys :)

fed_rulz
10-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Just accept Rafa didn't say serve and volley wasn't real tennis, like many people like to claim he did. That's the only point I was making. I do not care to get into childish arguments with you guys :)

and even if he did, he's entitled to do so. I don't get the whining about Nadal saying this or that, when many folks here are perfectly happy to slam and disparage Nadal's style of play.

AnotherTennisProdigy
10-01-2012, 01:31 PM
and even if he did, he's entitled to do so. I don't get the whining about Nadal saying this or that, when many folks here are perfectly happy to slam and disparage Nadal's style of play.

Lol, just what I was thinking. People will continue to criticize, with or without a quote to base it on.

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 01:37 PM
and even if he did, he's entitled to do so. I don't get the whining about Nadal saying this or that, when many folks here are perfectly happy to slam and disparage Nadal's style of play.

Yeah, pure hypocrisy... and silly hatred.

Cup8489
10-01-2012, 03:47 PM
Yeah, pure hypocrisy... and silly hatred.

you agreeing with fed_rulz?

Dafuq is this world coming to?!

dangalak
10-01-2012, 04:14 PM
and even if he did, he's entitled to do so. I don't get the whining about Nadal saying this or that, when many folks here are perfectly happy to slam and disparage Nadal's style of play.

He is known as the most humble guy in the universe.

fed_rulz
10-01-2012, 04:20 PM
you agreeing with fed_rulz?

Dafuq is this world coming to?!
exaclty! 10xlolz

RF20Lennon
10-01-2012, 04:29 PM
He meant it was not tennis it was much much more!!! He is in fact appreciating their skill and how high it was that it was way above tennis!! Such a humbalito :D

90's Clay
10-01-2012, 04:55 PM
You see no play? What the hell is Nadal talking about?

smoledman
10-01-2012, 05:02 PM
Well humbalito has spoken.

#humble

90's Clay
10-01-2012, 05:04 PM
Sampras-Goran had tons of great rallies and precision, hard striking tennis. Not every match was just some 1 shot ace fest. ROFL

dangalak
10-01-2012, 05:18 PM
Back then when there was no such thing as filler shots.

VPhuc tennis fan
10-01-2012, 05:41 PM
"Esto ya va a gusto particular. A mí, personalmente, ver jugar un Sampras-Ivanisevic aquí o este tipo de jugadores, pues... Yo, desde casa apreciaba lo que estaban haciendo, pero no disfrutaba, porque, al final, no ves juego".

"This is a matter of personal taste. For me, personally, to watch a Sampras - Ivanisevic or that kind of players, well... I from home appreciated what they were doing, but didn't enjoy it, because, at the end, you see no play".

http://www.marca.com/2011/06/22/tenis/wimbledon/1308776146.html

Just setting the record straight, seeing in another thread how widespread a certain mistranslation of that quote is...
His opinion. That's fine with me. It's not the gospel truth. He didn't say everyone should play like that, did he?
Although the part "you see no play" is a bit puzzling. By that, he prefers the 50-stroke rallies?
I think a somewhat medium between the 2-shot and 50-shot rallies is good for everybody, in particular the viewers. unfortunately the trend nowadays veers more toward the latter.

adamX012
10-01-2012, 06:00 PM
exaclty! 10xlolz

Me too too!

Readers
10-01-2012, 06:16 PM
Nadal should stop shooting his mouth off and just thank baby Jesus everyday that he wasn't around during the fast era of the 90s.

I don't see why *******s like to stick to the false translation when the correct ones are given, which is a simple statement about his preference.

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 06:16 PM
You see no play? What the hell is Nadal talking about?

He surely meant you hardly see much exchange between the players. I couldn't agree more with what he says there really. Watching Karlovic or Raonic play (their service games anyway) I find awfully boring. Pretty much fall asleep.

Crisstti
10-01-2012, 06:17 PM
I don't see why *******s like to stick to the false translation when the correct ones are given, which is a simple statement about his preference.

Because they're haters. not much more explanation needed.

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 05:53 AM
Bumping for the sake of Omega :)

Goosehead
12-03-2013, 07:12 AM
Nadal said this, Nadal said that..Nadal said "Vamos" to his Gerbil and Cat. :neutral:

mbm0912
12-03-2013, 07:35 AM
deal with it.

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Rafael-Nadal-vs-Novak-Djokovic-img11239_668.jpg

Who Am I?
12-03-2013, 07:56 AM
He knows that he would get his *** handed to him by Sampras and Goran, if he was playing in that era. He should thank whoever decided to slow all of the courts to meet his not so pleasent style of play, because in the pre homogenised era, he would be nothing but a mere clay courter and he knows it.

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 08:02 AM
Nadal should stop shooting his mouth off and just thank baby Jesus everyday that he wasn't around during the fast era of the 90s.
He would have been a successful soccer player then, winning probably even more money.

Wim
12-03-2013, 08:07 AM
He would have been a successful soccer player then, winning probably even more money.

Probably yes:)

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 08:08 AM
Probably yes:)

He is said to be a great soccer player, even wanted to play for Real Madrid one full season :o

Vcore89
12-03-2013, 08:15 AM
He is said to be a great soccer player, even wanted to play for Real Madrid one full season :o


Winning more money than in tennis, most probably yes. Like Ronaldo, Kaka, and Messi? No-no. Playing for Real or Barca; Inter or AC; Porto or Galatasaray or any team that would want his service but he definitely won't in the same stature as he is now, playing tennis!

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 08:24 AM
Winning more money than in tennis, most probably yes. Like Ronaldo, Kaka, and Messi? No-no. Playing for Real or Barca; Inter or AC; Porto or Galatasaray or any team that would want his service but he definitely won't in the same stature as he is now, playing tennis!

You are right, he would certainly not be as successful as he is now in tennis, but that was just to retort to the guy who said "he should thank god" bla bla bla :D

NatF
12-03-2013, 08:38 AM
He knows that he would get his *** handed to him by Sampras and Goran, if he was playing in that era. He should thank whoever decided to slow all of the courts to meet his not so pleasent style of play, because in the pre homogenised era, he would be nothing but a mere clay courter and he knows it.

Guys like Courier made Wimbledon finals and won hardcourt slams. Nadal is better in virtually every way. He'd do just fine in the 90s.

Egoista
12-03-2013, 09:00 AM
look maybe he just meant you did not see enough rallies...

i remember during the 90s that was my main complaint as well

now however, it has gone too much the other way....

mindless ball bashing ...the dumbing down of tennis......

there should have been a happy medium

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 09:05 AM
look maybe he just meant you did not see enough rallies...

i remember during the 90s that was my main complaint as well

now however, it has gone too much the other way....

mindless ball bashing ...the dumbing down of tennis......

there should have been a happy medium

Happy medium was Bercy 2010, Awesome!! Baseliners like Monfils could be successful, volleyers like Llodra could be successful, powerful tennis players like Soderling could be successful...
I seriously don't understand the point, why every tournament now is slow as f*** ? :lol:
remember the last Paris Bercy ? A rally between Novak and Ferrer lasted 1 minute :lol:

Omega_7000
12-03-2013, 09:34 AM
Bumping for the sake of Omega :)

Ok then maybe Nadal should sue the news outlets that have not translated his statement properly.

Well my point from the other thread still stands...which is...It's strange that Sampras fans like Nadal even though Nadal himself doesn't enjoy Sampras' game and their styles are poles apart.

Wim
12-03-2013, 09:38 AM
Ok then maybe Nadal should sue the news outlets that have not translated his statement properly.

Well my point from the other thread still stands...which is...It's strange that Sampras fans like Nadal even though Nadal himself doesn't enjoy Sampras' game and their styles are poles apart.

I don't see the dilemma.
Federer fans like Novak even though Federer doesn't like Novak and so on.

It is normal for tennis enthusiasts to like different kind of play.

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 10:00 AM
Federer fans like Novak.



come on, we all know why :lol:

Murrayfan31
12-03-2013, 10:01 AM
Just Nadal disrespecting the greats of the game. Nothing new here.

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 10:04 AM
Just Nadal disrespecting the greats of the game. Nothing new here.

So basically he should lie and says he enjoys watching this kind of tennis ? http://forum.sospronostics.com/images/perso/5/louartu1.gif

Dedans Penthouse
12-03-2013, 10:10 AM
That's not all. Rafa also called Sampras a cheap son of a bltch and a lousy tipper.

Who Am I?
12-03-2013, 10:15 AM
Guys like Courier made Wimbledon finals and won hardcourt slams. Nadal is better in virtually every way. He'd do just fine in the 90s.

Only on clay and slower HCs. He would struggle elsewhere. That is not to say that he will never win a tournament on fast HCs and grass.... He just won't be consistent enough and would definitely struggle against fast court specialists like Sampras, Goran, Rafter, Becker.

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 10:19 AM
That's not all. Rafa also called Sampras a cheap son of a bltch and a lousy tipper.

^^ Lol, I'm sure he didn't.

Winning more money than in tennis, most probably yes. Like Ronaldo, Kaka, and Messi? No-no. Playing for Real or Barca; Inter or AC; Porto or Galatasaray or any team that would want his service but he definitely won't in the same stature as he is now, playing tennis!

Well, he probably wouldn't, but we cannot really know that for sure, can we?.

He would be a successful football player had he chosen that career path, though we can't know how good he would have been.

Graf=GOAT
12-03-2013, 10:19 AM
Nadal and Sampras are actually similar in a way. Both are completely one dimensional. Sampras was all serve who tried to play his lame S&V first strike tennis on clay. Nadal is a baseline grinding clay court specialist who never had to change his game much to win his titles.

Only Roger Federer, the most complete player of all time, adapted his game throughout different eras and completely destroyed the competition. Everyone is jealous of his achievements. That's why mediocre pushers like Wilander call this era weak. That's why McEnroe tries to tout Nadal as GOAT. They all hate Roger and the fact that he made every great player look mediocre in his prime.

FreeBird
12-03-2013, 10:20 AM
Why so many banned posters? Can anybody explain?:confused:

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 10:23 AM
Guys like Courier made Wimbledon finals and won hardcourt slams. Nadal is better in virtually every way. He'd do just fine in the 90s.

I see we agree again :)

Ok then maybe Nadal should sue the news outlets that have not translated his statement properly.

Well my point from the other thread still stands...which is...It's strange that Sampras fans like Nadal even though Nadal himself doesn't enjoy Sampras' game and their styles are poles apart.

Well, Nadal could sue lots of people if he wanted lol.

I'm glad you admit though that it was a mistranslation. I do hope you won't keep posting them.

tipsa...don'tlikehim!
12-03-2013, 11:16 AM
That's not all. Rafa also called Sampras a cheap son of a bltch and a lousy tipper.

1 dollar tips http://forum.sospronostics.com/images/perso/3/ka-sol.gif

TMF
12-03-2013, 11:24 AM
There's no need to bump this old thread unless you are insecure.

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 11:41 AM
There's no need to bump this old thread unless you are insecure.

There's a "need" when posters keep posting mistranslations... you do it too of course, despite having been corrected several times.

TMF
12-03-2013, 11:45 AM
There's a "need" when posters keep posting mistranslations... you do it too of course, despite having been corrected several times.

Like what?

I take quotes directly from the article, and not translating.

Now it's you who's mistranslating me.

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 11:54 AM
Like what?

I take quotes directly from the article, and not translating.

Now it's you who's mistranslating me.

Like what?, lol
Toni hoping/trusting Fed and Novak to get injured of course. We both know I've pointed the "mistake" in the translations you've posted. Hell, I even posted the link to the actual conference where he said it, and pointed to the exact moment at that.

TMF
12-03-2013, 11:54 AM
Now I just remember, tennissportsrog had a thread that has an ATP article that stated Nadal said Sampras/Goran is not really tennis.


Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport.

"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable, It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.
It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve." said Nadal.


http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx

vive le beau jeu !
12-03-2013, 11:55 AM
brothers and sisters, don't forget that the golden bull comes from a funny (and humble of course) family that loves to make hilarious jokes...

cf. la broma de tio toni (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=447478)

... or this one:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb4e53WNwU1ql1tz4o1_500.gif

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/crying-with-laughter.gif
the guy (well... the bovine) is really good...... no ?

TMF
12-03-2013, 11:58 AM
Like what?, lol
Toni hoping/trusting Fed and Novak to get injured of course. We both know I've pointed the "mistake" in the translations you've posted. Hell, I even posted the link to the actual conference where he said it, and pointed to the exact moment at that.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You have your resource and other people have their own resources. Again, I'm not translating anything except getting the direct quotes from the author.

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 11:58 AM
Now I just remember, tennissportsrog had a thread that has an ATP article that stated Nadal said Sampras/Goran is not really tennis.

You do notice that article is the same mistranslated article this thread is about to begin with, right?.

:rolleyes:

Crisstti
12-03-2013, 12:00 PM
I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You have your resource and other people have their own resources. Again, I'm not translating anything except getting the direct quotes from the author.

No, sorry, but there is THE original source, a conference given by Toni in a prison. The video has been posted, and the moment pointed out, as has been the exact word used and its translation. Your sources are obviously a mistranslation of that. Just accept it. Have some minimal intellectual honesty.

JustBob
12-03-2013, 02:07 PM
So Nadal expressed a personal preference. That's fine. But he then went on to say that "the entire world" shares the same preference (for today's long rallies). We should all thank him for deciding for us what we like or not...

President
12-03-2013, 02:32 PM
Regardless of his personal preferences, it was a bit of a silly thing for Nadal to say. Still not nearly as bad as some of the stuff guys like Wilander have come out with.

Nathaniel_Near
12-03-2013, 06:04 PM
See no play? Madness! Scandalous! Outrageous!

helloworld
12-03-2013, 06:27 PM
See no play? Madness! Scandalous! Outrageous!

Nadal probably meant "moon balling, grinding to death" is a play to him. The rest is considered 'no play'. :lol:

wy2sl0
12-03-2013, 06:40 PM
I think the balls have changed more than the court. We will never know if Nadal would have been successful on different grass or HC, but we do know that he pretty much wouldn't lose on clay - and taking that into consideration and the age at which he began to dominate he would probably be considered the best of the 90's; besides Andre he would also probably be one of the best returners.

His problem on faster courts would not be beating the best, it would be beating them back-to-back in terms of running into someone who is ridiculously hot. He only has 2-3 legit threats right now. Also because of this he would have to play much longer.

Nathaniel_Near
12-03-2013, 06:59 PM
I'd forgotten about this whole incident but now that's been brought up again, the blood boils!!

Nadal, Nadal, Nadal.

Oh dear.

Nathaniel_Near
12-03-2013, 07:01 PM
Just think, this whole thing could have been condemned to ancient worthless history but now it's as contentious and ludicrous as ever.

The Pain


THE AGONY

Vcore89
12-03-2013, 08:50 PM
Just think, this whole thing could have been condemned to ancient worthless history but now it's as contentious and ludicrous as ever.

The Pain


THE AGONY



Preposterous, yeah?:wink:

Sentinel
12-03-2013, 09:00 PM
According to forehand of doom, nadal invented tennis, so yes, what Sampras and co. played was not tennis. :D

Vcore89
12-03-2013, 09:14 PM
According to forehand of doom, nadal invented tennis, so yes, what Sampras and co. played was not tennis. :D

Pelota, tsk tsk tsk.:)

Wim
12-03-2013, 11:33 PM
Rafa nominated for sportsman of the year in USA.

MachiA.
12-04-2013, 05:21 AM
A simple mistake in translating.

Happened, can still happen: Look at the words of Ahmadinedschad.

KR

Dedans Penthouse
12-04-2013, 08:31 AM
Bumping for the sake of Omega :)



There's no need to bump this old thread unless you are insecure.


You trolling punk, who are you to call anyone that?

You, who tries to portray yourself as one who only "discusses tennis" but who in fact (the above as an example) is more concerned with stalking others here, and who is more concerned with personal "fanboy issues."

What a . . p-u-n-k . . punk.