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TTMR
10-02-2012, 04:22 PM
The answer is pretty obvious if you ask me:

1000 points > 750 points;

Legacy of great champion winners > Legacy of journeyman winners drawn from sparse fields;

Once-in-a-lifetime surface requiring amazing footwork, timing and adaptability > Historic surface butchered by PC deceleration;

Winner who defeated the very best on road to title > Winner who capitalized on his opponent's surface hardships and another opponent's extreme fatigue.

It's a shame that the Olympics gets all the hype, as if it is the next biggest title after the Slams in 2012. In reality, it is well below the WTF in terms of prestige, and below all Masters (including Monte Carlo) in terms of importance.

Let's also discuss this absurd idea that Murray has had a better year than Federer. Federer, battling age and injury, prevailed against the top young players to clinch his seventeenth major. Murray had his first major handed to him (blown his way) on a silver platter. Federer went out and won Wimbledon (and the #1 ranking). Meanwhile, Murray didn't win the US Open; he simply failed to lose it.

jaggy
10-02-2012, 04:24 PM
No Cincy option?

SoBad
10-02-2012, 04:26 PM
Are you including a poll? This is a close call. Madrid is very important, but so is an Olympics singles gold. Monte Carlo and the French Open have been very significant over the past few years.

Paullaconte1
10-02-2012, 04:29 PM
The Olympics are quite overrated but they are definitely more important than Madrid

Mainad
10-02-2012, 04:45 PM
It's a shame that the Olympics gets all the hype, as if it is the next biggest title after the Slams in 2012. In reality, it is well below the WTF in terms of prestige, and below all Masters (including Monte Carlo) in terms of importance.

Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?


Federer, battling age and injury, prevailed against the top young players to clinch his seventeenth major.

Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.


Murray had his first major handed to him (blown his way) on a silver platter. Federer went out and won Wimbledon (and the #1 ranking). Meanwhile, Murray didn't win the US Open; he simply failed to lose it.

Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!

Hood_Man
10-02-2012, 04:50 PM
Olympics. It's just that special.

SoBad
10-02-2012, 04:53 PM
Olympics. It's just that special.

I agree - no GOAT candidacy without the singles gold.

Sim
10-02-2012, 04:59 PM
Olympics. It's just that special.

Agree. Besides, Olympics for tennis is getting more important each time. I'm sure it will be better recognized in the future.

kishnabe
10-02-2012, 05:01 PM
Prestige:

Slams>Olympics>WTF>MS1000

Points
Slams>WTF>MS1000>Olympics

Goathood

Olympics means Jacksquat since it not a fair representation of the previous eras.

Slams existed since the exsistance of amateur tennis....the solely count. No Masters Series, No YEC/Masters/WTF, No GS CUP.

SoBad
10-02-2012, 05:06 PM
1. Safin
2. Nadal-Kafelnikov
3. Sampras

Zarfot Z
10-02-2012, 05:47 PM
Madrid + Monte Carlo < Olympics

You are heavily delusional OP.

dangalak
10-02-2012, 06:40 PM
The answer is pretty obvious if you ask me:

1000 points > 750 points;

Legacy of great champion winners > Legacy of journeyman winners drawn from sparse fields;

Once-in-a-lifetime surface requiring amazing footwork, timing and adaptability > Historic surface butchered by PC deceleration;

Winner who defeated the very best on road to title > Winner who capitalized on his opponent's surface hardships and another opponent's extreme fatigue.

It's a shame that the Olympics gets all the hype, as if it is the next biggest title after the Slams in 2012. In reality, it is well below the WTF in terms of prestige, and below all Masters (including Monte Carlo) in terms of importance.

Let's also discuss this absurd idea that Murray has had a better year than Federer. Federer, battling age and injury, prevailed against the top young players to clinch his seventeenth major. Murray had his first major handed to him (blown his way) on a silver platter. Federer went out and won Wimbledon (and the #1 ranking). Meanwhile, Murray didn't win the US Open; he simply failed to lose it.

What a brilliant troll. :oops:

dangalak
10-02-2012, 06:42 PM
Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?



Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.



Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I understand you TTMR my friend.

MichaelNadal
10-02-2012, 07:23 PM
Olympics are bigger than Madrid. Ask any player they will tell you that. Players shed tears like it's a funeral at the Olympics.

Prisoner of Birth
10-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Madrid + Monte Carlo < Olympics

You are heavily delusional OP.

No need to denigrate the Masters, now.

DragonBlaze
10-02-2012, 07:39 PM
TTMR, no one ever gets your sarcasm. You should just stop now :lol:

dangalak
10-02-2012, 07:41 PM
Are you guys actually unaware of....nevermind.

RF20Lennon
10-02-2012, 07:48 PM
LOL why just madrid???

dangalak
10-02-2012, 08:03 PM
LOL why just madrid???

Federer won it. ;)

JTJet
10-02-2012, 08:11 PM
My opinion is that olympics have value to a player, not just by points standards. The best players are now competing in the olympics, showing it has value to them. Having slams is great, but having a medal with slams just adds a bit to it.

OverratedIvanovic
10-02-2012, 08:11 PM
Nice troll job :)

Sentinel
10-02-2012, 08:24 PM
TTMR, no one ever gets your sarcasm. You should just stop now :lol:

TTMR is good, one of the best in the business. Five-stars, ole chap.

p.s. it is sad, most peeps missed his humour.

Sentinel
10-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?



Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.



Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!

Mainad, TTMR is a Nadal fan. Thought you'd know it by now.

Second, i think he's trying to point out how absurd it is that Madrid has more points than OG.

ruerooo
10-02-2012, 11:06 PM
What is the point of picking out Madrid for this poll?

You could say the same about any 1000-point Masters (assuming you were going to put together the argument that any one was more important than the Olympics), yes ...?

AnotherTennisProdigy
10-03-2012, 04:17 AM
IMO

Slams------->WTf---->Olympics------------->Masters

Sentinel
10-03-2012, 04:46 AM
What is the point of picking out Madrid for this poll?

You could say the same about any 1000-point Masters (assuming you were going to put together the argument that any one was more important than the Olympics), yes ...?

Cos Federer won Madrid. Surely TTMR won't pick MC :D

batz
10-03-2012, 05:04 AM
TTMR, no one ever gets your sarcasm. You should just stop now :lol:

Some of us get TTMR and always have :)

zagor
10-03-2012, 05:52 AM
That depends on whether we consider Madrid that is played on real clay (even then the high altitude degrades it significantly I'm afraid) or that wacky blue stuff that our tennis Spartan warriors find it so hard to play on (which as a consequence allowed the washed up indoor specialist with no BH to win it).

In short, I think Olympics should be worth 3000 points (as per the suggestion of a certain Nadal fan here), Madrid should be abolished as a tourney and that year end worthless serving contest/cheesy exo should award no points (let alone potentially 1500, what an disgrace!).

batz
10-03-2012, 05:58 AM
That depends on whether we consider Madrid that is played on real clay (even then the high altitude degrades it significantly I'm afraid) or that wacky blue stuff that our tennis Spartan warriors find it so hard to play on (which as a consequence allowed the washed up indoor specialist with no BH to win it).

In short, I think Olympics should be worth 3000 points (as per the suggestion of a certain Nadal fan here), Madrid should be abolished as a tourney and that year end worthless serving contest/cheesy exo should award no points (let alone potentially 1500, what an disgrace!).

Only 3000? Why the hate dude? ;)

sunof tennis
10-03-2012, 07:02 AM
Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?



Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.



Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!

I agree that the Olympics (at least this year) was far more important than Madrid (especially with the controvery over the blue clay) or any of the other Masters. You are right that Roger would agree. I also agreee that its importance has grown. It will, however, be interesting to see if that continues when it is not played at the hallowed grass courts of Wimbledon.
Ask any of the players who played, this year's Olympics was special because it was played at Wimbledon.

NDFM
10-03-2012, 07:11 AM
The Olympics might be worth less points than Madrid but it means much more to a player personally. It only happens once every four years and you're playing for your country like djokovic, sharapova and a few other tennis players you might get the chance to be your nation's flag bearer.

For some there is a great sense of pride in being an Olympian and not everyone gets the chance to play i think for tennis they select the best 4 by ranking, that's a very small quota

Orion3
10-03-2012, 07:31 AM
In 20 years is anyone seriouly gong to remember who won Madrid in 20xx??

syc23
10-03-2012, 07:33 AM
Just ask Roger if he would trade Madrid blue clay title for the Olympics Gold - he's chew your arm off for it.

I don't seem to recall players crying in madrid but the fact that players did in the Olympics tell you how important players regarded the tournament which was once in a lifetime opportunity to win a historic gold on CC. This blue clay BS tourney doesn't even compare.

Mainad
10-03-2012, 07:56 AM
Mainad, TTMR is a Nadal fan. Thought you'd know it by now.

Yeah, I keep forgetting he's posted these kind of threads before. Not sure whether he's trolling Fed fans or Murray fans though. Maybe both. Still, I think my reply stands for those of us on here who genuinely believe what the OP posted. Unfortunately, I suspect there are quite a few!


Second, i think he's trying to point out how absurd it is that Madrid has more points than OG.

Has he ever just come out and said what he really thinks? :wink:

Mainad
10-03-2012, 08:03 AM
It will, however, be interesting to see if that continues when it is not played at the hallowed grass courts of Wimbledon.
Ask any of the players who played, this year's Olympics was special because it was played at Wimbledon.

Winning an Olympic gold medal on the centre court of one of the game's most respected tournaments probably does add a bit of extra frisson to the achievement but, in the end, an Olympic title is an Olympic title no matter where you win it.

*Sparkle*
10-03-2012, 09:11 AM
You'd think someone claiming Madrid is more important than the Olympics is on a wind-up, but there are a few tennis fans who seem determined to lobby the tennis world into believing that a gold medal is really on a part with a 500 tournament. Either they are utterly deluded, or they are letting their views be skewed by whether or not it's something their favourite has won, so it's quite a good way of knowing whose opinion can't be trusted.

All of the big name players (and the lesser known ones) wanted to win it and were prepared to put their performance in Toronto and beyond in jeopardy. That's your answer right there.

MichaelNadal
10-03-2012, 09:17 AM
You'd think someone claiming Madrid is more important than the Olympics is on a wind-up, but there are a few tennis fans who seem determined to lobby the tennis world into believing that a gold medal is really on a part with a 500 tournament. Either they are utterly deluded, or they are letting their views be skewed by whether or not it's something their favourite has won, so it's quite a good way of knowing whose opinion can't be trusted.

All of the big name players (and the lesser known ones) wanted to win it and were prepared to put their performance in Toronto and beyond in jeopardy. That's your answer right there.

Couldn't agree more. I think they know deep down. If they don't im scared for them to have children lol.

RF20Lennon
10-03-2012, 09:19 AM
My question is why Madrid in particular??

hersito
10-03-2012, 10:20 AM
Say what ever you people want to say, bash me as much as you want but for me Olympics is the biggest title any athlete can get, even more when the pros are playing, you can only win it once every 4 years, with GS and any other tournament you have a chance every year.

Gonzo_style
10-03-2012, 10:23 AM
Olympic by far

underground
10-03-2012, 11:41 AM
Olympics is really rare, you only get it once per 4 years.

However, Madrid on blue clay will only ever happen once, and it was won by the GOAT, so obviously it's more important.

veroniquem
10-03-2012, 11:49 AM
According to the ATP system, any master (except maybe M-C) is more important than the Olympics. The Olympics only counts as a 500 in the player's ranking total- like DC (even though it gives a bit more points). Of course, the reality is that the Madrif smurf circus is a complete joke, never mind being forced to pretend this buffoon fiasco is legit...

Alchemy-Z
10-03-2012, 11:52 AM
Olympics is not about the points.

people have several master shields...its a very small group of tennis players that have multiple medals....if any at all

veroniquem
10-03-2012, 11:59 AM
Olympics is not about the points.

people have several master shields...its a very small group of tennis players that have multiple medals....if any at all Sure but one could also argue that neither Olympics nor DC should be regarded as fully individual achievements. In both of them, you represent your country and win the medal/trophy for your country rather than for just yourself. Spain/ Serbia/ USA, etc has X Olympic medals and X DC titles. DC is a team event anyway. In the case of masters and slams, you win them for yourself alone, so those are true individual achievements.

フェデラー
10-03-2012, 12:12 PM
I agree - no GOAT candidacy without the singles gold.

Yep, Borg, Sampras, Federer, not goat contenders at all.

Evan77
10-03-2012, 12:21 PM
My dilemma is this. Would you rather work at McDonald for $100,000 or at Microsoft for $75,000 :-)? discuss.

Prisoner of Birth
10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
My dilemma is this. Would you rather work at McDonald for $100,000 or at Microsoft for $75,000 :-)? discuss.

McDonald's for 100K. Less stressful and easier paycheck. But I'd still take the Olympics.

dangalak
10-03-2012, 02:55 PM
Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?



Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.



Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!

.......................

Yes that is why he took an MTO against Malisse and moved like a 60 year old.

Say what ever you people want to say, bash me as much as you want but for me Olympics is the biggest title any athlete can get, even more when the pros are playing, you can only win it once every 4 years, with GS and any other tournament you have a chance every year.

WTF>GS. You have one chance every year to win WTF. You have 4 chances to win a major. :lol:

What a crock.

hersito
10-03-2012, 03:16 PM
WTF>GS. You have one chance every year to win WTF. You have 4 chances to win a major. :lol:

What a crock.

of course I was talking about GS individually hence you have 4 chances to win wimbledon, AO, RG or USO for every 1 chance you have for winning the olimpics. But that's a good way to twist the meaning of what I said, you should look for a job at fox news...

Prisoner of Birth
10-03-2012, 03:28 PM
WTF>GS. You have one chance every year to win WTF. You have 4 chances to win a major. :lol:

What a crock.

:lol::lol::lol:

kishnabe
10-03-2012, 05:14 PM
My dilemma is this. Would you rather work at McDonald for $100,000 or at Microsoft for $75,000 :-)? discuss.

Microsoft.....so I don't lose my brain cells and synapses.

Hood_Man
10-03-2012, 05:20 PM
My dilemma is this. Would you rather work at McDonald for $100,000 or at Microsoft for $75,000 :-)? discuss.

Microsoft. I think being able to tell people with pride "I work for Microsoft!" is worth the $25k I'd be missing out on.

That and I worked or McDonalds 6 years ago and it was awful :(

Sentinel
10-03-2012, 07:37 PM
Yep, Borg, Sampras, Federer, not goat contenders at all.

GOAT contenders would be Massu and Nadal right ? Actually Massu, since he won both doubles and singles Gold at same OG, whereas Nadal won only singles.

My dilemma is this. Would you rather work at McDonald for $100,000 or at Microsoft for $75,000 :-)? discuss.

MS for $75,000??? What kind of a ???? job do they offer 75k for? Janitor's work ? Doorman ? Their software should be abolished anyway :twisted:

dangalak
10-03-2012, 07:56 PM
of course I was talking about GS individually hence you have 4 chances to win wimbledon, AO, RG or USO for every 1 chance you have for winning the olimpics. But that's a good way to twist the meaning of what I said, you should look for a job at fox news...

Olympics are some of the most overrated sports events there is. Only since Nadal won it it became the big deal it is now.

SoBad
10-04-2012, 12:59 AM
Yep, Borg, Sampras, Federer, not goat contenders at all.

Borg and Sampras are candidates, since Borg is the #2/3 all-time dirtballer, while Sampras is one of the greatest grasscourt specialists of all time.

Dark Magician
10-04-2012, 01:21 AM
MS for $75,000??? What kind of a ???? job do they offer 75k for? Janitor's work ? Doorman ? Their software should be abolished anyway :twisted:
For GOAT posters like you, they give 75k$ per week!!

zagor
10-04-2012, 02:03 AM
Only 3000? Why the hate dude? ;)

OK, 3000 for the silver medal and 5000 for the gold one but that's as high as I'll go :)

zagor
10-04-2012, 02:19 AM
Couldn't agree more. I think they know deep down. If they don't im scared for them to have children lol.

Interesting, what about Nadal fans who refer to WTF (a potentially 1500 points worth tourney valued greatly by nobodies such as Sampras, Lendl, Becker and Federer) as a worthless, cheesy exo (as in worth zero points, outclassed by tourneys like say Stockholm and Serbia Open)? Are you scared for them to have children too?

Thing is, Olympics' relative worth regarding tennis is very subjective and varies greatly from player to player (and from fan to fan) and as much as there are Fed fans around here who downplay it's significance there are Nadal fans who overrate it to high heavens mainly because it's one of the rare things Fed lacks in his resumee and their Spartan hero happenes to have won it.

Sure top players put a great effort at the Olympics this year but that wasn't always the case in the past (heck, during the reign of some past great players, tennis wasn't even an Olympic sport so they couldn't participate even if they wanted to) and if we value personal opinions of players so much we'd have to agree that for example Fed's 7 Wimbledons are clearly worth more than Nadal's 7 FOs since the vast majority of players holds Wimbledon in higher regard than any other slam, somehow I doubt Nadal fanboys around here would agree with that.

batz
10-04-2012, 03:08 AM
Sure but one could also argue that neither Olympics nor DC should be regarded as fully individual achievements. In both of them, you represent your country and win the medal/trophy for your country rather than for just yourself. Spain/ Serbia/ USA, etc has X Olympic medals and X DC titles. DC is a team event anyway. In the case of masters and slams, you win them for yourself alone, so those are true individual achievements.

I can see the gist of where you're coming from but this isn't actually correct, at least not for the Olympics. Some (displaced) athletes compete under the flag of the IOC. Also, unlike DC, no country 'wins' the Olympic games overall, or at the individual event level e.g. Great Britain is not the reigning men's singles tennis Olympic champion - Andy Murray is, whereas Spain are the regining DC champions, not Nadal, Ferrer et al.

This also explains why, unlike DC, individual names are used in the scoring rather than countries e.g. 'Murray leads, 2 sets to 1' rather than 'Great Britian lead, 2 sets to 1'.

Raz11
10-04-2012, 03:33 AM
In terms of prestige, Olympics > Masters. It is obvious considering how the players responded to winning the medals.

In terms of difficulty, Olympics = Miami, IW > All the Other Masters. Olympics has the 5 set final whereas Miami and Indian Wells has the larger draw so they even out.

*Sparkle*
10-04-2012, 03:48 AM
Interesting, what about Nadal fans who refer to WTF (a potentially 1500 points worth tourney valued greatly by nobodies such as Sampras, Lendl, Becker and Federer) as a worthless, cheesy exo (as in worth zero points, outclassed by tourneys like say Stockholm and Serbia Open)? Are you scared for them to have children too?
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think the point was that it was that while a lot of people might say it, for various reasons, it's a worry if they actually mean it. Nadal fans might claim the WTF is worthless during banteer, but that doesn't mean they actually mean it. If they do mean it, then they are also deluded.

The debate either way is skewed by people who have a vested interest in promoting one tournament as more worthy than another, and a handful Federer and Nadal fans are the most obvious culprits. Personally, I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who claims WTFs is worth nothing just as I don't trust the opinion of someone who claims the Olympics are worth less than a Masters.

That said, while serious tennis fans will rate the WTF as something worth achieving, the general public couldn't care less. I was speaking to colleagues about it recently, and while most of them know about the WTFs - it's hard to move on the London tube without seeing the posters, most actually did think it was a big money exhibition event. This included people who enthusiastically follow the action at Wimbledon.

On the other hand, people who have only a passing interest in sport, never mind tennis, in virtually every country in the world, knows about and values an Olympic Gold medal as something to be impressed by. The tennis community may not have taken it very seriously for a while, but the rest of the sporting world did.

It's worth remembering that a lot of tennis players are sports fans and love the whole Olympic spirit and vibe and now that tennis is properly re-established as a proper Olympic sport, they love being a part of it. One of the reasons John McEnroe is now so in love with Olympic tennis is that he is now a fully signed up member of the Olympics fan club. He was on British tv a lot talking about all of the different events he attended and not just the tennis. Michael Johnson did the same. It was fascinating to see how legends in one sport really appreciate watching elite sports of any discipline.

batz
10-04-2012, 04:09 AM
In terms of prestige, Olympics > Masters. It is obvious considering how the players responded to winning the medals.

In terms of difficulty, Olympics = Miami, IW > All the Other Masters. Olympics has the 5 set final whereas Miami and Indian Wells has the larger draw so they even out.

This doesn't apply for those inside the top 16. To win IW and Miami a top 16 player needs to win 6 best of 3 tiebreak matches. To win OG a player must win 5 best of 3 advantage matches and 1 best of 5 advantage match. From a top 16 player perspective, IW and Miami have the same number of rounds as OG - 6.

The-Champ
10-04-2012, 07:02 AM
Olympics is not important at all. Federer just wanted to show his acting skills when he cried after beating Falla in the second round and after beating DelPo in the semifinal.

dangalak
10-04-2012, 07:06 AM
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think the point was that it was that while a lot of people might say it, for various reasons, it's a worry if they actually mean it. Nadal fans might claim the WTF is worthless during banteer, but that doesn't mean they actually mean it. If they do mean it, then they are also deluded.

The debate either way is skewed by people who have a vested interest in promoting one tournament as more worthy than another, and a handful Federer and Nadal fans are the most obvious culprits. Personally, I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who claims WTFs is worth nothing just as I don't trust the opinion of someone who claims the Olympics are worth less than a Masters.

That said, while serious tennis fans will rate the WTF as something worth achieving, the general public couldn't care less. I was speaking to colleagues about it recently, and while most of them know about the WTFs - it's hard to move on the London tube without seeing the posters, most actually did think it was a big money exhibition event. This included people who enthusiastically follow the action at Wimbledon.

On the other hand, people who have only a passing interest in sport, never mind tennis, in virtually every country in the world, knows about and values an Olympic Gold medal as something to be impressed by. The tennis community may not have taken it very seriously for a while, but the rest of the sporting world did.

It's worth remembering that a lot of tennis players are sports fans and love the whole Olympic spirit and vibe and now that tennis is properly re-established as a proper Olympic sport, they love being a part of it. One of the reasons John McEnroe is now so in love with Olympic tennis is that he is now a fully signed up member of the Olympics fan club. He was on British tv a lot talking about all of the different events he attended and not just the tennis. Michael Johnson did the same. It was fascinating to see how legends in one sport really appreciate watching elite sports of any discipline.

It doesn't matter what those people think. Those are the same people that think Mike tyson was a possible GOAT.

The olympics are just a bigger sports event. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together should realize that the WTF is bigger, simply because it has a richer history and you are only facing the best players.

The Olympic champions include people like Rosset and Massu. No such luck with the WTF.

merlinpinpin
10-04-2012, 08:07 AM
Olympics is not important at all. Federer just wanted to show his acting skills when he cried after beating Falla in the second round and after beating DelPo in the semifinal.

Why? Do you think he was hoping to star in Expendables 3, just to show he can do *that* better than Djokovic, too? ;)

Prisoner of Birth
10-04-2012, 09:31 AM
It doesn't matter what those people think. Those are the same people that think Mike tyson was a possible GOAT.

The olympics are just a bigger sports event. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together should realize that the WTF is bigger, simply because it has a richer history and you are only facing the best players.

The Olympic champions include people like Rosset and Massu. No such luck with the WTF.

I judge the prestige and value of a tournament by 3 parameters
1. How much it means to the players
2. The quality/esteem of the previous winners
3. The History

While the Olympics may mean more than the WTF for many years (more because of the pride in winning a Medal for their country than as an individual accomplishment), Olympic Tennis has less history than the WTF and the quality/esteem of the previous winners is not even close to the WTF. So WTF has the edge in my book.

*Sparkle*
10-04-2012, 12:58 PM
It doesn't matter what those people think. Those are the same people that think Mike tyson was a possible GOAT.
It doesn't matter to you what they think, but that doesn't mean that those people don't vastly outnumber hardcore tennis fans.

You can presume those people are stupid if you like. Obviously they are wrong to think that WTF is an exhibition tournament. But to be fair, the way it is marketed is as being all about the top players by invite only, all very showbiz with smoke and music when the players enter the arena and in the past they placed a lot of emphasis on the size of the cash prize.

The reality is, you cannot argue that an event is highly prestigious, then say the wider public are stupid if they don't agree with you. A truly prestigious event would be valued by casual tennis fans too. I'm not saying that no casual tennis fans rate the WTFs, and if Murray were to win it or reach the finals and get considerable press attention, the awareness of what it really is in the UK would rocket.

I also wonder if another factor in how people rate different sporting events is what tv channels they are aired on. In the UK, only Wimbledon and the Olympics are shown on mainstream, terrestrial tv. If fans are watching the Olympics is on a different channel with a different team from who does most of the tennis broadcasting, it will create a different vibe. If your country had a good chance at gold in another event, so was more interested in that than tennis, it would give a different impression of its value.

kiki
10-04-2012, 01:48 PM
Are you including a poll? This is a close call. Madrid is very important, but so is an Olympics singles gold. Monte Carlo and the French Open have been very significant over the past few years.

madrid is a new rich event, no flavour at all, only Shangai sucks more.

zagor
10-04-2012, 09:42 PM
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think the point was that it was that while a lot of people might say it, for various reasons, it's a worry if they actually mean it. Nadal fans might claim the WTF is worthless during banteer, but that doesn't mean they actually mean it. If they do mean it, then they are also deluded.

The debate either way is skewed by people who have a vested interest in promoting one tournament as more worthy than another, and a handful Federer and Nadal fans are the most obvious culprits. Personally, I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who claims WTFs is worth nothing just as I don't trust the opinion of someone who claims the Olympics are worth less than a Masters.

And Fed fans might claim Madrid is worth more than Olumpics but that doesn't mean they actually mean it either, your point being what exactly?

That said, while serious tennis fans will rate the WTF as something worth achieving, the general public couldn't care less. I was speaking to colleagues about it recently, and while most of them know about the WTFs - it's hard to move on the London tube without seeing the posters, most actually did think it was a big money exhibition event. This included people who enthusiastically follow the action at Wimbledon.

Sure but general public by and large cares way more about Wimbledon compared to any other slam including FO so given that (coupled with the fact that the vast majority of players would also take Wimbledon over other slams) so again are we supposed to conclude Fed's 7 Wimbledons are clearly worth more than Nadal's 7 FOs? I mean the general public, hardcore tennis fans and players themselves care more about Wimbledon than about the FO.

On the other hand, people who have only a passing interest in sport, never mind tennis, in virtually every country in the world, knows about and values an Olympic Gold medal as something to be impressed by. The tennis community may not have taken it very seriously for a while, but the rest of the sporting world did.

That has much more to do with Olympics as a whole than with tennis as an Olympic sport, in that regard it has little history.

It's worth remembering that a lot of tennis players are sports fans and love the whole Olympic spirit and vibe and now that tennis is properly re-established as a proper Olympic sport, they love being a part of it. One of the reasons John McEnroe is now so in love with Olympic tennis is that he is now a fully signed up member of the Olympics fan club. He was on British tv a lot talking about all of the different events he attended and not just the tennis. Michael Johnson did the same. It was fascinating to see how legends in one sport really appreciate watching elite sports of any discipline.

And despite all that a tennis legend like Massu managed to win the gold in both singles and doubles.

For the record I definitely consider Olympics to be worth more than any masters title (and enjoyed immensely watching it this year), heck let's say it's worth more than WTF, however it's still nowhere near a slam (in that sense it's vastly overrated by Nadal fans).

Not to mention that Nadal fans are not the ones that should complain given their tendency to disparage a 1500 points worth event (highly valued by guys like Lendl, Sampras, Becker, Fed etc.) to an even higher degree than Fed fans do for the Olympics, forget about comparing it to a masters title, they consider 250 events and challengers to be more important.

TTMR
10-05-2012, 01:54 PM
My name is TTMR, and I am the 27.94%.

dangalak
10-05-2012, 02:03 PM
My name is TTMR, and I am the 27.94%.

"He simply failed to lose it" :lol: