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tedescm1
10-05-2012, 06:41 AM
I have a Wilson Pro Open (RA66) which I have strung at 52 pounds with Nat gut. and it still feels stiff on off center hits.

How low can I string the racquet with nat gut? I was thinking of trying 48 pounds. Does anyone have an educated opinion on this?

tx,

Mike

floydcouncil
10-05-2012, 08:28 AM
I have a Wilson Pro Open (RA66) which I have strung at 52 pounds with Nat gut. and it still feels stiff on off center hits.

How low can I string the racquet with nat gut? I was thinking of trying 48 pounds. Does anyone have an educated opinion on this?

tx,

Mike

So basically, you WANT to lower your tension so your OFF center shots feel good? Did I get it correctly?

Try not to hit off center more.... work on your footwork, don't be lazy, etc.

MikeHitsHard93
10-05-2012, 08:37 AM
I have a Wilson Pro Open (RA66) which I have strung at 52 pounds with Nat gut. and it still feels stiff on off center hits.

How low can I string the racquet with nat gut? I was thinking of trying 48 pounds. Does anyone have an educated opinion on this?

tx,

Mike

Yeah that's strung very loosely, so your sweet spot isn't gonna get much bigger

tedescm1
10-05-2012, 08:46 AM
So basically, you WANT to lower your tension so your OFF center shots feel good? Did I get it correctly?

Try not to hit off center more.... work on your footwork, don't be lazy, etc.

Thanks for nothing --- I asked for an educated opinion.......

tedescm1
10-05-2012, 08:46 AM
Yeah that's strung very loosely, so your sweet spot isn't gonna get much bigger

Thank you for the useful information.

floydcouncil
10-05-2012, 09:36 AM
Thanks for nothing --- I asked for an educated opinion.......

My opinion is very educated. If a student of mine came up to me with an moronic question like yours, I would have responded exactly the same.

Take a step back and look at what you're asking.... it's quite stupid.

You basically want to lower your tension so your off center shots feel good (WITH natural gut, btw).... My suggestion to you is to hit LESS off center shots by IMPROVING your technique.

thejackal
10-05-2012, 09:38 AM
as an aside, OP: how long does it take for you to break a set of natural gut on your racquet?

tedescm1
10-05-2012, 09:58 AM
The question was not asked for the purpose of eliminating off center shots or for making off center shots feels good!

The question was asked in an effort to understand how low I could string a racquet in an effort to eliminate a sore elbow which results from using a stiff racquet. I've used nat gut and I've strung it low but this still has not helped.

So, the question now is do I string it lower ( and hope this helps) or should I move on to a racquet with a lower RA.

You assumed I was looking for a way to make off center shots feel good.

You assumed wrong.......

Now, if you have something helpful and positive to say please say it, other wise go away.

You seem like a very mean person......I feel sorry for you.



My opinion is very educated. If a student of mine came up to me with an moronic question like yours, I would have responded exactly the same.

Take a step back and look at what you're asking.... it's quite stupid.

You basically want to lower your tension so your off center shots feel good (WITH natural gut, btw).... My suggestion to you is to hit LESS off center shots by IMPROVING your technique.

MikeHitsHard93
10-05-2012, 10:06 AM
The question was not asked for the purpose of eliminating off center shots or for making off center shots feels good!

The question was asked in an effort to understand how low I could string a racquet in an effort to eliminate a sore elbow which results from using a stiff racquet. I've used nat gut and I've strung it low but this still has not helped.

So, the question now is do I string it lower ( and hope this helps) or should I move on to a racquet with a lower RA.

You assumed I was looking for a way to make off center shots feel good.

You assumed wrong.......

Now, if you have something helpful and positive to say please say it, other wise go away.

You seem like a very mean person......I feel sorry for you.

In the most neutral way, I think I actually kinda agree with him that hitting in the sweet spot more often would be beneficial. Lol. If you are using full natural gut, you shouldn't really have any problems. I own the pro open and play it often with full multi, and it super comfy (strung @60 w/prince lightning xx). Your pain might be from muscling the ball, so use less arm and get your legs and core into your shots more. Make your body explode through the ball and not your arm, which causes lots of problems.

Hope this helps,

Mike

tedescm1
10-05-2012, 10:11 AM
Thank you for providing positive useful information.

M



In the most neutral way, I think I actually kinda agree with him that hitting in the sweet spot more often would be beneficial. Lol. If you are using full natural gut, you shouldn't really have any problems. I own the pro open and play it often with full multi, and it super comfy (strung @60 w/prince lightning xx). Your pain might be from muscling the ball, so use less arm and get your legs and core into your shots more. Make your body explode through the ball and not your arm, which causes lots of problems.

Hope this helps,

Mike

TennisCJC
10-05-2012, 10:31 AM
Here is my theory and another option. Take it or leave it for what it is worth.

You stated that the racket feels stiff on off center hits with gut at 52 lbs. I have hit with this racket and like it as it is a softer tweener than most. I think it is a very good racket.

My theory is what you are feeling is

1. Lack of torsional stability - the racket is delivering more shock/impact to your hand off center because the head is twisting. Even rackets with high twist weights still twist on off center hits.
2. Lack of mass - if you strike the ball in the center of the stringbed, it feels like a feather. If you strike it off center, the mass of the racket head can make it feel less jarring or stiff.

Add 2 grams of lead tape to 3 o'clock position and 2 grams of lead tape to the 9 o'clock position. And, 4 grams under your grip to maintain balance and demo the racket. Lead at 3/9 o'c will improve the twist weight and the mass of the racket.

Just to try it out, slap the lead on at 3 and 9 o'c. Remove the overgrip (if any), and put four 4" strips of 1/4 wide lead tape on the replacement grip. Don't even take the slick backing off the tape on the grip. Put 2 strips on each wide side of the handle. Put an overgrip over the tape on the handle to hold it in place. Then demo the racket. If you don't like it, you can peel it off the head, remove the overgrip and it will fall off the handle.

If you like, remove ALL grips and put the four 4" strip running up the wide side of the handle in line with the bevels starting just above the butt cap. Then regrip.

tedescm1
10-05-2012, 11:00 AM
Thank you for taking the time to provide this information.

I have added lead tape to the handle and the racquet now weighs 12 oz but I did not think to add it to the head. I have some 1/4 inch lead tape and I'll add it at the 3 and 9 o'clock position.

Do you think lowering the string tension to 50 would be of any value? The low end of the tension range for the pro open is 53.

Thanks again…

Here is my theory and another option. Take it or leave it for what it is worth.

You stated that the racket feels stiff on off center hits with gut at 52 lbs. I have hit with this racket and like it as it is a softer tweener than most. I think it is a very good racket.

My theory is what you are feeling is

1. Lack of torsional stability - the racket is delivering more shock/impact to your hand off center because the head is twisting. Even rackets with high twist weights still twist on off center hits.
2. Lack of mass - if you strike the ball in the center of the stringbed, it feels like a feather. If you strike it off center, the mass of the racket head can make it feel less jarring or stiff.

Add 2 grams of lead tape to 3 o'clock position and 2 grams of lead tape to the 9 o'clock position. And, 4 grams under your grip to maintain balance and demo the racket. Lead at 3/9 o'c will improve the twist weight and the mass of the racket.

Just to try it out, slap the lead on at 3 and 9 o'c. Remove the overgrip (if any), and put four 4" strips of 1/4 wide lead tape on the replacement grip. Don't even take the slick backing off the tape on the grip. Put 2 strips on each wide side of the handle. Put an overgrip over the tape on the handle to hold it in place. Then demo the racket. If you don't like it, you can peel it off the head, remove the overgrip and it will fall off the handle.

If you like, remove ALL grips and put the four 4" strip running up the wide side of the handle in line with the bevels starting just above the butt cap. Then regrip.