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adil1972
10-06-2012, 09:13 AM
does anybody tell me when federer will fall to no. 2 at the earliest

looks like he will be first person to be no. 1 for more than 300 weeks, either male or female

thanks in advance

tacou
10-06-2012, 09:27 AM
he is #2 right now.

Andres
10-06-2012, 09:29 AM
he is #2 right now.
Nope, he's still #1 in the entry ranking. He's #2 in the race. He's still the top seed in any tourney he joins. He's 1,400 points ahead of Nole.

The Bawss
10-06-2012, 09:31 AM
Computer says no?

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx

RogerFan1991
10-06-2012, 09:35 AM
If federer reches QF at shanghai, no matter if djokovic wins, he will secure 300 weeks at no.1, staying in that position until october 22nd.

RF20Lennon
10-06-2012, 10:00 AM
If federer reches QF at shanghai, no matter if djokovic wins, he will secure 300 weeks at no.1, staying in that position until october 22nd.

I thought he just had to win the first match?

RogerFan1991
10-06-2012, 10:04 AM
I thought he just had to win the first match?

Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

RF20Lennon
10-06-2012, 10:05 AM
Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

Oh ok! thanks! didnt know that

Evan77
10-06-2012, 10:15 AM
off topic but wondering if Djokovic will play in Basel this year

tennis_pro
10-06-2012, 10:20 AM
Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

Exactly. So to reach 300 weeks at no 1 Federer needs to beat

- a qualifier or Zhang Ze (a young Chinese player without a lot of experience on the ATP tour)
- Wawrinka (most likely)

That of course assuming Djokovic wins Beijing and then Shanghai which is not an easy task, even for him.

merlinpinpin
10-06-2012, 10:28 AM
Exactly. So to reach 300 weeks at no 1 Federer needs to beat

- a qualifier or Zhang Ze (a young Chinese player without a lot of experience on the ATP tour)
- Wawrinka (most likely)

That of course assuming Djokovic wins Beijing and then Shanghai which is not an easy task, even for him.

Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess... ;)

RogerFan1991
10-06-2012, 10:28 AM
off topic but wondering if Djokovic will play in Basel this year

Djokovic is not in the players entry list of the tournment, and its not in his calendar, i think he replaced basel for beijing, unles he losses early at shanghai, he will not play basel i guess.

RogerFan1991
10-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess... ;)

Ohh, hope you're right....then i can say Federer has reached 300 weeks as number 1!!!...he's not gonna lose to Zhang or a qualy.

Evan77
10-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Djokovic is not in the players entry list of the tournment, and its not in his calendar, i think he replaced basel for beijing, unles he losses early at shanghai, he will not play basel i guess.
thanks RogerFan.

tennis_pro
10-06-2012, 10:33 AM
Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess... ;)

I never understood the 0-pointers for missing tournaments (or never bothered to check that correctly), I guess you're right. It means that only an earthquake can stop Federer from getting to 300 weeks at no 1.

tennis_pro
10-06-2012, 10:35 AM
Djokovic is not in the players entry list of the tournment, and its not in his calendar, i think he replaced basel for beijing, unles he losses early at shanghai, he will not play basel i guess.

That could be a very smart move from him. That way he only gets to play 2 tournaments back-to-back (Beijing-Shanghai and then Paris-WTF), while Fed has to play Shanghai and then 3 tournaments back-to-back-to-back, unfortunately it just wouldn't be right for Fed to skip Basel and play Beijing instead, even though theoretically it would benefit him more in the long run.

jokinla
10-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Fed's draw looks pretty cake till the semis next week, unless he got overly spooked by the death threat, he should be through to the semis.

Evan77
10-06-2012, 12:16 PM
Fed's draw looks pretty cake till the semis next week, unless he got overly spooked by the death threat, he should be through to the semis.
yup, Novak got it even easier than Fed. cakewalk to the final. Berdych might be the only guy to test him.

underground
10-06-2012, 12:49 PM
I don't think Doha points will be counted. Since it hasn't been specified that the Olympics counts as a 500 tournament quota. We will have to wait until Monday and see, of course I hope he'll get 300 weeks. :)

ktid
10-06-2012, 01:23 PM
does anybody tell me when federer will fall to no. 2 at the earliest

looks like he will be first person to be no. 1 for more than 300 weeks, either male or female

thanks in advance

Steffi Graff she not no.1 for 377 weeks? or was it 337? cannae mind but one of them

Tony48
10-06-2012, 02:18 PM
Steffi Graff she not no.1 for 377 weeks? or was it 337? cannae mind but one of them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players

Correct. In fact, TWO women have been ranked No. 1 for 300+ weeks: Steffi Graf (377 weeks, the record for both male and female) and Martina Navratilova (332 weeks)

timnz
10-06-2012, 02:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players

Correct. In fact, TWO women have been ranked No. 1 for 300+ weeks: Steffi Graf (377 weeks, the record for both male and female) and Martina Navratilova (332 weeks)

What would everts true number of weeks at number 1 be if the wta had started counting earlier than late 1975? She surely was the number 1 for 1974

mattennis
10-06-2012, 03:07 PM
Around 330 possibly or more.

Sentinel
10-06-2012, 09:32 PM
Sweet Rogi Dahlin' will be 299 tomorrow :D

adil1972
10-07-2012, 02:17 AM
why fed is no. 2 in the atp race, hasnt he won more 1000 tournments this year then djokovic

batz
10-07-2012, 02:26 AM
why fed is no. 2 in the atp race, hasnt he won more 1000 tournments this year then djokovic

Because the race doesn't just count 1000 tournaments.

Russeljones
10-07-2012, 02:30 AM
How many Slam finals did Djokovic contest in 2012? There's your answer. It's going to be a tall order for Roger to defend (his points) for the rest of the year.

RogerFan1991
10-07-2012, 01:49 PM
Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess... ;)

I just read this in an article on ATP site:

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/10/41/Shanghai-No-1-Ranking-On-The-Line.aspx

Evan77
10-07-2012, 02:02 PM
I just read this in an article on ATP site:

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/10/41/Shanghai-No-1-Ranking-On-The-Line.aspx
he can stay #1 after Shangai, but the problem is if Djokovic reaches better than QF the gap between him and Rog will be even wider in the race and the race is going to match actual rankings in less then few months.

Gonzo_style
10-07-2012, 02:07 PM
why fed is no. 2 in the atp race, hasnt he won more 1000 tournments this year then djokovic

He won 3 masters, Djokovic won 2, but Djokovic playing 3 more finals....

RogerFan1991
10-07-2012, 02:18 PM
he can stay #1 after Shangai, but the problem is if Djokovic reaches better than QF the gap between him and Rog will be even wider in the race and the race is going to match actual rankings in less then few months.

Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

Gonzo_style
10-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

Tsonga lost last 6 matches vs Djokovic, Berdych never beat him on HC and Raonic:)

Murray is gonna play Basel i think so it's not going to be easy for Fed...

Evan77
10-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

well, if Fed skips Paris that's 1000 points gone. I doubt it. If he somehow decides to skip Basel that's 500 points gone as he needs to defend both titles. He'll be doomed one way or another, and I highly doubt that Rog will win 15 matches in 3 weeks.

RF20Lennon
10-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Steffi Graff she not no.1 for 377 weeks? or was it 337? cannae mind but one of them

No I dont think so but im not sure

RF20Lennon
10-07-2012, 02:28 PM
well, if Fed skips Paris that's 1000 points gone. I doubt it. If he somehow decides to skip Basel that's 500 points gone as he needs to defend both titles. He'll be doomed one way or another, and I highly doubt that Rog will win 15 matches in 3 weeks.

If he wins Shanghai he can skip or Tank Paris

adil1972
10-07-2012, 09:04 PM
federer strategy of regaining no. 1 slot, he looses early in some Grand Slams, then he tries to win these grand slam next year so that he can regain no. 1 ranking

Prisoner of Birth
10-07-2012, 09:35 PM
federer strategy of regaining no. 1 slot, he looses early in some Grand Slams, then he tries to win these grand slam next year so that he can regain no. 1 ranking

That really doesn't work. It seems to be a common misconception.

adil1972
10-07-2012, 10:41 PM
is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point

Prisoner of Birth
10-07-2012, 10:47 PM
is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point

You know what, I don't know either :)

ledwix
10-07-2012, 11:07 PM
is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point

Game. Tennis scoring is a continuum. I interpret that calling "game" after 40-0 means both that the score the server has reached is game (not game-0) and also that the threshold has been reached to put a point on the next resolution of scoring, the set score.

Sentinel
10-08-2012, 12:19 AM
is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point

60 love.

10x

tennis_pro
10-08-2012, 12:48 AM
60 love.

10x

I think it's 50 love.

0-15 = a 15 point difference
15-30 = a 15 point difference
30-40 = a 10 point difference
We need another tenner, so it's 50 love, cheers.

Rhino
10-08-2012, 01:40 AM
The last point is either game point, break point, set point, match point or championship point, no?

Anyway, 300 weeks. Go Roger... Nike needs to release something. :)

merlinpinpin
10-08-2012, 11:16 AM
I just read this in an article on ATP site:

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/10/41/Shanghai-No-1-Ranking-On-The-Line.aspx

Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense. :confused:

No1e
10-08-2012, 11:20 AM
Novak will end this year as #1, and the gap between him and Roger would much bigger than people think.

Def
10-08-2012, 12:51 PM
I think it's 50 love.

0-15 = a 15 point difference
15-30 = a 15 point difference
30-40 = a 10 point difference
We need another tenner, so it's 50 love, cheers.

The scoring was originally based on the quarters of a clock, thus 0,15,30, but 45 in french was too hard(or long) to say so they made it 40. So it would probably be sixty if that was a point.

Duncan Bell
10-09-2012, 01:51 AM
Murray has ruled himself out of finishing the year as number 1.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/19871816

That's that then...

not_federer
10-09-2012, 11:40 AM
Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense. :confused:

This whole thing is sounding like a student calculating how to get an A grade in a class.

"Ok, I got an A on the midterm and paper but my attendance is a bit spotty. I think I can get a C+ on the project just so long as I ace the final exam."

jokinla
10-10-2012, 08:24 AM
A win over Wawa and he gets #300.

PCXL-Fan
10-10-2012, 08:30 AM
Its quite likely that Djokovic will get no.1 before the end of the year, as he's defending no points. Even if Federer does Fantastic and equals hs results from last year, as long as Djokovic does very well himself he'll overtake Federer.

However if Djokovic doesn't win AO13, its possible Federer will reclaim no.1 spot (especially if Djokovic loses before the final).

Shangri La
10-10-2012, 08:03 PM
Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense. :confused:

So is every player required to play 4 ATP500 events? If so, how come Murray doesnt have a 0-pointer when he only played Olympics and 3 ATP500? http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx?t=rb

cork_screw
10-10-2012, 08:15 PM
I really wanna see fed get to 300 weeks on #1.

NOBODY has done that. As all the teenyboppers would say, that would be "epic" (god I hate that word).

Evan77
10-10-2012, 08:21 PM
I really wanna see fed get to 300 weeks on #1.

NOBODY has done that. As all the teenyboppers would say, that would be "epic" (god I hate that word).
who gives a *****. most of you Fed ***** are beyond pathetic. I can hardly wait till that Swiss moron retires, so I wouldn't need to read all of BS you ***** post here.

Prisoner of Birth
10-10-2012, 09:41 PM
who gives a *****. most of you Fed ***** are beyond pathetic. I can hardly wait till that Swiss moron retires, so I wouldn't need to read all of BS you ***** post here.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/Ronnita/Gifs/Fandom/tumblr_lk76paO9iN1qh1u66.jpg

No1e
10-10-2012, 10:05 PM
who gives a *****. most of you Fed ***** are beyond pathetic. I can hardly wait till that Swiss moron retires, so I wouldn't need to read all of BS you ***** post here.

Well, Fed fans only care about what Fed has done well. So no surprise here.

jokinla
10-11-2012, 07:41 AM
Well, Fed fans only care about what Fed has done well. So no surprise here.

That's a lot to care about.

merlinpinpin
10-11-2012, 07:49 AM
So is every player required to play 4 ATP500 events? If so, how come Murray doesnt have a 0-pointer when he only played Olympics and 3 ATP500? http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx?t=rb

They require to play 4 ATP500's, including one after the US Open, for their six best results (ATP500's and 250's) to be taken into account. Otherwise, only five are counted (notice that Murray's Queens result is "non countable", although this wouldn't have changed much, considering how well he did there) and they get a 0-pointer (when needed) to keep the 6th result out of it, as it were. It complicates things a lot, if you ask me, but there you go.

Nadal currently has two 0-pointers, one for Beijing and another one for Valencia.

TMF
10-11-2012, 08:11 AM
congradulations to Roger for his 300s.

Lendl(80s) set the record with 270 weeks, and Sampras(90s) broke the record with 286. Who knows if someone will ever break Fed's record, but I doubt that will happen in the next 10 years.

Shangri La
10-11-2012, 10:20 AM
They require to play 4 ATP500's, including one after the US Open, for their six best results (ATP500's and 250's) to be taken into account. Otherwise, only five are counted (notice that Murray's Queens result is "non countable", although this wouldn't have changed much, considering how well he did there) and they get a 0-pointer (when needed) to keep the 6th result out of it, as it were. It complicates things a lot, if you ask me, but there you go.

Nadal currently has two 0-pointers, one for Beijing and another one for Valencia.

wow.. thank you for that!

No1e
10-11-2012, 10:51 AM
congradulations to Roger for his 300s.

Lendl(80s) set the record with 270 weeks, and Sampras(90s) broke the record with 286. Who knows if someone will ever break Fed's record, but I doubt that will happen in the next 10 years.

80s: Lendl with 270 weeks, and many doubted there would ever be someone overtaking him; and then we have...
90s: Sampras with 286 weeks, and many doubted there would ever be someone overtaking him; and then we have...
2000s to early 2010s: Federer with 300+ weeks.

Moral of the story: don't doubt, just wait and see. There will always be someone else taking over. I think the person who has the most potential to do it is Novak Djokovic, followed by Nadal.

tudwell
10-11-2012, 10:54 AM
80s: Lendl with 270 weeks, and many doubted there would ever be someone to overtaking him; and then we have...
90s: Sampras with 286 weeks, and many doubted there would ever be someone overtaking him; and then we have...
2000s to early 2010s: Federer with 300+ weeks.

Moral of the story: don't doubt, just wait and see. There will always be someone else taking over. I think the person who has the most potential to do it is Novak Djokovic, followed by Nadal.

I'd say the person with the most potential to do it is someone in the future, who's not 25+ and will come in to dominate the game after Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray are all 30+ or retired.

TMF
10-11-2012, 01:14 PM
I'd say the person with the most potential to do it is someone in the future, who's not 25+ and will come in to dominate the game after Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray are all 30+ or retired.

QFT.

If any player who's going to challenge Roger's records, it would be someone at least 19 or 20 years old coming on the scene and start making noise.