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Mike Sams
10-06-2012, 03:56 PM
In 2013, Nadal is going for an 8th French Open. That same year, Federer will be gunning for an 8th Wimbledon.
Unless Nadal returns to the sport at less than his best, he is likely to take the French Open in 2013. Federer on the other hand may look to peak for Wimbledon. I think it's more likely that Nadal can get that 8th French Open crown unless Djokovic 2.0 emerges once again.
Which one would be more impressive to you? Nadal taking an 8th French or Federer taking an 8th Wimbledon?

kaku
10-06-2012, 03:58 PM
Nadal.

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Mike Sams
10-06-2012, 03:59 PM
Nadal.

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agreed. I think Nadal

NadalAgassi
10-06-2012, 03:59 PM
Nadal will win the French unless his body has totally broken down or he has retired. Federer isnt the odds on favorite to win any slam at this stage of his career. Murray, a healthy Nadal, and even Djokovic are threats to win Wimbledon next year, and even Tsonga, Berdych, and possibly Del Potro can take Federer out on a given day, even if they perhaps cant win the title themselves.

Nadal is the more likely by a good margin.

As for more impressive both would be equally impressive, but Nadal's dominance on clay is a whole other level to Federer's on grass in general.

kishnabe
10-06-2012, 04:00 PM
*** has a thread on this.

Nadal is winning the poll there.

The Bawss
10-06-2012, 04:17 PM
Roger will not make 8.

OverratedIvanovic
10-06-2012, 05:56 PM
Nadal winning RG is more likely but I think he will be seriously challenged by Djokovic in 2013. Nadal was scary good in RG 2012 and although Djokovic was way off, he almost managed to take Nadal to 5th (no, don't give me that soaked court crap in 3rd set :roll:). If you watch the match closely again, had it not been for Djoker double faults on bps (he lost 3-4 of his service games due to double faults on break points), match could have gone anywhere.

If Nadal's level dips even slightly than 2012 which I expect to, Djokovic may capitalise and this time there will be no pressure of going for 4 slams in a row.

Cup8489
10-06-2012, 06:15 PM
Head=rafa
Heart= fed

BigServer1
10-06-2012, 06:16 PM
Nadal for sure. He's still a lock at the French, even if it was the only tournament he played all year.

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Fed.

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Evan77
10-06-2012, 07:04 PM
both would be very impressive but I give a slight edge to Nadal. 8 RG would be absolutely amazing (it is also more likely imho).
Same with Fed, I'm just not sure that he'll have what it takes to win another W

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 07:23 PM
Nadal winning RG is more likely but I think he will be seriously challenged by Djokovic in 2013. Nadal was scary good in RG 2012 and although Djokovic was way off, he almost managed to take Nadal to 5th (no, don't give me that soaked court crap in 3rd set :roll:). If you watch the match closely again, had it not been for Djoker double faults on bps (he lost 3-4 of his service games due to double faults on break points), match could have gone anywhere.

If Nadal's level dips even slightly than 2012 which I expect to, Djokovic may capitalise and this time there will be no pressure of going for 4 slams in a row.


Why? It's the truth. If it had been sunny and dry that match would have been over in straights.


And I could also say the same thing about Nadal last year when it seemed he was incapable of playing well on the big points at all. His level dropped significantly in 2011 from what it was in 2010. I know you will probably deny that,but sorry,it did.

Evan77
10-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Fed.

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Clarky, Clarky, what kinda a Rafa fan are you girlfriend? Shame on you for voting for Fed :-P

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TheCheese
10-06-2012, 07:26 PM
Clay is a much harder surface to be upset on. Definitely advantage Nadal.

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 07:32 PM
Clarky, Clarky, what kinda a Rafa fan are you girlfriend? Shame on you for voting for Fed :-P

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A realistic one. Nadal will never win another slam. I also think he will drop to number 5 next year,if not further. He's terminado.


And what's with the Fed fans in this thread? Why no faith in your dude? He's got a great shot at winning Wimby next year.

Evan77
10-06-2012, 07:53 PM
A realistic one. Nadal will never win another slam. I also think he will drop to number 5 next year,if not further. He's terminado.


And what's with the Fed fans in this thread? Why no faith in your dude? He's got a great shot at winning Wimby next year.
I'm a big fan of you (not Fed), as you know already. Yes, I do like ****'s hair and Mandy's teeth. I can't help it :).

VPhuc tennis fan
10-06-2012, 08:23 PM
A realistic one. Nadal will never win another slam. I also think he will drop to number 5 next year,if not further. He's terminado.


And what's with the Fed fans in this thread? Why no faith in your dude? He's got a great shot at winning Wimby next year.
Nah, my vote: Rafa for the next 10 if not 20 FO titles, or until they get so tired of him winning then change to blue clay.

Mike Sams
10-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Why? It's the truth. If it had been sunny and dry that match would have been over in straights.


And I could also say the same thing about Nadal last year when it seemed he was incapable of playing well on the big points at all. His level dropped significantly in 2011 from what it was in 2010. I know you will probably deny that,but sorry,it did.

Nadal 2010 never ran into anything like the juggernaut known as Djokovic 2.0...
Nobody saw that version of Djokovic coming in 2011...
You can't fault Nadal for not having any answers for such a formidable challenge.

Hood_Man
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Hmm, with Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome we'll have plenty of opportunity to see how Nadal will be looking on clay next year. If he does well on those, then he's more likely to take #8.

Federer at Wimbledon is harder to say, there's only Halle to give us any indication, and even then the field is split between there and Queens.

At Wimbledon we've had 3 different winners in 3 years, and now that two-time Queen's winner Murray has also been a finalist (and arguably the most competitive runner up since Roddick in 2009), and has of course finally broken the Major barrier too, I think it's only a matter of time before he picks up the trophy himself. Sooner, rather than later.

OverratedIvanovic
10-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Why? It's the truth. If it had been sunny and dry that match would have been over in straights.

It was never sunny and dry to begin with. It was raining from Set 1. They even halted the play in 2nd set for some mins due to rain. Are you telling me the court became soaked all of a sudden in 3rd set after Nadal led 2-0? The truth however is Djokovic started unloading on his shots in Set 3. I mean comeon, he got 8 straight games off Nadal on his freaking best surface clay. No one has managed to do that. Watch the highlights again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaUJTCtV-SM Even it was as dry and sunny, it wouldn't have been a straight set affair. Both the guys are way too competitive to lose in a straight setter in a final.

And how amusing you defend Rafa in one post and bash him in the very next post saying he won't win another slam :roll:


And I could also say the same thing about Nadal last year when it seemed he was incapable of playing well on the big points at all. His level dropped significantly in 2011 from what it was in 2010. I know you will probably deny that,but sorry,it did.

I don't deny your points about Rafa's form in 2011

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
It was never sunny and dry to begin with. It was raining from Set 1. They even halted the play in 2nd set for some mins due to rain. Are you telling me the court became soaked all of a sudden in 3rd set after Nadal led 2-0? The truth however is Djokovic started unloading on his shots in Set 3. I mean comeon, he got 8 straight games off Nadal on his freaking best surface clay. No one has managed to do that. Watch the highlights again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaUJTCtV-SM Even it was as dry and sunny, it wouldn't have been a straight set affair. Both the guys are way too competitive to lose in a straight setter in a final.

And how amusing you defend Rafa in one post and bash him in the very next post saying he won't win another slam :roll:



I don't deny your points about Rafa's form in 2011



I know it wasn't sunny or dry to begin with,but as the match went on the court got wetter and wetter until it turned into a mud pit. No rain=straight set win for Nadal. No rain+sun=definite straight set win for Nadal.


And I am not bashing Nadal;I am just saying that he is done,and won't win anymore slams. It's not bashing to say that,especially when all the signs point to his career being over.

BauerAlmeida
10-06-2012, 09:00 PM
It was never sunny and dry to begin with. It was raining from Set 1. They even halted the play in 2nd set for some mins due to rain. Are you telling me the court became soaked all of a sudden in 3rd set after Nadal led 2-0? The truth however is Djokovic started unloading on his shots in Set 3. I mean comeon, he got 8 straight games off Nadal on his freaking best surface clay. No one has managed to do that. Watch the highlights again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaUJTCtV-SM Even it was as dry and sunny, it wouldn't have been a straight set affair. Both the guys are way too competitive to lose in a straight setter in a final.



Totally. And when they came back from the break Nadal won easily the second set and broke Djokovic again to start the 3rd. THEN Djokovic started to demolish Nadal. If it was because of the rain it would have been just right when they came back to play. The conditions changed there, not 5 games after they continued playing.

OverratedIvanovic
10-06-2012, 09:07 PM
I know it wasn't sunny or dry to begin with,but as the match went on the court got wetter and wetter until it turned into a mud pit. No rain=straight set win for Nadal. No rain+sun=definite straight set win for Nadal.


And I am not bashing Nadal;I am just saying that he is done,and won't win anymore slams. It's not bashing to say that,especially when all the signs point to his career being over.

Yea the good ol Clarky's reverse jinx psychology which we have been witnessing since past 1 year :roll: Didn't you say that "****/Rolaids/insert another crappy name" would demolish Rafa in straights at RG 2012 :lol:

Rolaids. In either straights or 4 sets at the most. No way he loses.

Totally. And when they came back from the break Nadal won easily the second set and broke Djokovic again to start the 3rd. THEN Djokovic started to demolish Nadal. If it was because of the rain it would have been just right when they came back to play. The conditions changed there, not 5 games after they continued playing.

^^ Couldn't have said it any better

Talker
10-06-2012, 09:08 PM
I'll go with Fed.
At this stage in their careers it'll come down to mental focus and determination.

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 09:24 PM
Yea the good ol Clarky's reverse jinx psychology which we have been witnessing since past 1 year :roll: Didn't you say that "****/Rolaids/insert another crappy name" would demolish Rafa in straights at RG 2012 :lol:







^^ Couldn't have said it any better


Sure,I had zero reason to believe **** would lose that match based on the past year+ between them in finals. No reason to believe Nadal would lose yet another slam final to ****. None at all. I must have been out of my mind along with lots of other folks as well to think Nadal would lose.




BS. The court got progessively wetter from the rain,and the balls turned into heavy,soaked sponges. Keep right on denying it,but the courts being wet is the only reason your hero took that third set.


Oh,and :roll: back at you since you seem to love that smiley so much.

RAFA2005RG
10-06-2012, 09:30 PM
Considering its been revealed that Rafa played the entire clay season in heavy pain (which began at Indian Wells and escalated in Miami), and considering Rafa's team has said they will be skipping some hardcourt events from now on, looks like Rafa will be in better condition at next year's Roland Garros than he was at this year's Roland Garros. Yet he only dropped one set at this year's Roland Garros. I think the question is whether or not Rafa will win 11+ Roland Garros titles. The next couple of years are a formality.

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 09:37 PM
Considering its been revealed that Rafa played the entire clay season in heavy pain (which began at Indian Wells and escalated in Miami), and considering Rafa's team has said they will be skipping some hardcourt events from now on, looks like Rafa will be in better condition at next year's Roland Garros than he was at this year's Roland Garros. Yet he only dropped one set at this year's Roland Garros. I think the question is whether or not Rafa will win 11+ Roland Garros titles. The next couple of years are a formality.



:shock:

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Smasher08
10-06-2012, 09:40 PM
Nadal is the ultimate surface specialist, but his knees are the biggest unknown in our sport.

RAFA2005RG
10-06-2012, 09:45 PM
Nadal is the ultimate surface specialist, but his knees are the biggest unknown in our sport.

That's why he's skipping some hardcourt events from now on, enabling him to be in far better condition in future RGs compared to what he was in this year. So instead of dropping a set, he won't drop anything.

OverratedIvanovic
10-06-2012, 09:54 PM
Sure,I had zero reason to believe **** would lose that match based on the past year+ between them in finals. No reason to believe Nadal would lose yet another slam final to ****. None at all. I must have been out of my mind along with lots of other folks as well to think Nadal would lose.

What are you talking about? Other folks? Majority of the people voted Rafa as the heavy favourite going into this match in either 3 or 4 sets (although I thought it would be a 5 setter). He was arguably playing his best clay court tennis (except 2008 ) crushing everyone enroute finals whereas "Rolaids" headed into this match playing very mediocre tennis struggling against guys like Seppi and Tsonga. As you said you really must have been out of your mind thinking **** would straight set Rafa.

BS. The court got progessively wetter from the rain,and the balls turned into heavy,soaked sponges. Keep right on denying it,but the courts being wet is the only reason your hero took that third set.

I am not denying the fact that court was getting wetter, only denying the fact that Djokovic would have been straight setted. I think we can agree to disagree here

Hero? :lol: I am a Rafa fan for life. I probably dislike Djokovic as much as you do or even more but unlike you I don't fail to admit that when Djokovic 2.0 turns up, there is not much Rafa can do. Lucky for him, he only turned up in 3rd set.

Oh,and :roll: back at you since you seem to love that smiley so much.

:roll:

Clarky21
10-06-2012, 10:04 PM
What are you talking about? Other folks? Majority of the people voted Rafa as the heavy favourite going into this match in either 3 or 4 sets (although I thought it would be a 5 setter). He was arguably playing his best clay court tennis (except 2008 ) crushing everyone enroute finals whereas "Rolaids" headed into this match playing very mediocre tennis struggling against guys like Seppi and Tsonga. As you said you really must have been out of your mind thinking **** would straight set Rafa.



I am not denying the fact that court was getting wetter, only denying the fact that Djokovic would have been straight setted. I think we can agree to disagree here

Hero? :lol: I am a Rafa fan for life. I probably dislike Djokovic as much as you do or even more but unlike you I don't fail to admit that when Djokovic 2.0 turns up, there is not much Rafa can do. Lucky for him, he only turned up in 3rd set.



:roll:


No way. I'm not only talking about the people here;I am also talking about multiple tennis sites I read that picked **** to win.



So what? Again,****'s form going into matches with Nadal means nothing. He also struggled more at the AO this year,Wimby last year,and the USO last year as well,but whan happened in those finals? Nadal lost,even if he played better tennis up until the final.



No you're not. You're a bonifide Cvactard if I ever saw one.

TMF
10-06-2012, 10:13 PM
Considering its been revealed that Rafa played the entire clay season in heavy pain (which began at Indian Wells and escalated in Miami), and considering Rafa's team has said they will be skipping some hardcourt events from now on, looks like Rafa will be in better condition at next year's Roland Garros than he was at this year's Roland Garros. Yet he only dropped one set at this year's Roland Garros. I think the question is whether or not Rafa will win 11+ Roland Garros titles. The next couple of years are a formality.

Another words Nadal will be playing part-time tennis. That's ridiculous if they let him get away with it. A lot of hard court MS are mandatory events, he cannot skip it because every top seeded are required to play.

OverratedIvanovic
10-06-2012, 10:16 PM
Man you are quick in replying :)

No way. I'm not only talking about the people here;I am also talking about multiple tennis sites I read that picked **** to win.

How about you show me some of those mutiple tennis sites which you are talking about? General consensus of the tennis community was Nadal emerging victorious.

So what? Again,****'s form going into matches with Nadal means nothing. He also struggled more at the AO this year,Wimby last year,and the USO last year as well,but whan happened in those finals? Nadal lost,even if he played better tennis up until the final.

Nadal was the heavy favourite heading in RG final unlike others whereas Djokovic was more or less favourite if not heavy favourite at USO and AO on the basis of form.


No you're not. You're a bonifide Cvactard if I ever saw one.

Whatever makes you feel better. You are free to think whatever you want I guess :-)

I would have loved to continue our back and forth but unfortunately unlike you I don't spend my entire day here so cya later dude :roll:

RAFA2005RG
10-06-2012, 10:16 PM
Another words Nadal will be playing part-time tennis. That's ridiculous if they let him get away with it. A lot of hard court MS are mandatory events, he cannot skip it because every top seeded are required to play.

Nah, Rafa will be skipping either Indian Wells, Miami or both. In addition, Rafa has said he wants to add more claycourt events to his schedule. Nothing "part-time" about that.

TMF
10-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Nah, Rafa will be skipping either Indian Wells, Miami or both. In addition, Rafa has said he wants to add more claycourt events to his schedule. Nothing "part-time" about that.

He's playing too many clay tournaments that's are out there already. What's there to add? ATP250 is not worth it, that's for the low ranked players.

RAFA2005RG
10-06-2012, 10:37 PM
He's playing too many clay tournaments that's are out there already. What's there to add? ATP250 is not worth it, that's for the low ranked players.

Nah, he's not playing too many claycourt events. There is on such thing as to too many claycourt events UNLESS you are already injured from playing on hardcourts. If he's not injured at Indian Wells/Miami then he's fine to play as many claycourt events as he wants. And I think he was referring to South American claycourt events (Ferrer plays a couple of them).

abmk
10-06-2012, 10:44 PM
nadal winning RG is definitely more likely, but federer winning 8 wimbledons would definitely be more impressive ...

smoledman
10-06-2012, 10:51 PM
Most likely Nadal's title-winning days are done.

RAFA2005RG
10-07-2012, 09:06 AM
nadal winning RG is definitely more likely, but federer winning 8 wimbledons would definitely be more impressive ...

Nadal has won 7 Roland Garros titles from 8 attempts. If Nadal was to win his 8th Roland Garros from 9 attempts, it will be more impressive than anything in the history of tennis. How many Wimbledon's has Federer needed to get 7? Kind of a joke when you look at how many Wimbledon attempts he's had.

Smasher08
10-07-2012, 09:20 AM
That's why he's skipping some hardcourt events from now on, enabling him to be in far better condition in future RGs compared to what he was in this year. So instead of dropping a set, he won't drop anything.

Oh really? Reducing one's match fitness will somehow lead your beloved on to a superlative winning streak?

It's truly amazing how many accounts you have here. :rolleyes:

RAFA2005RG
10-07-2012, 09:21 AM
Oh really? Reducing one's match fitness will somehow lead your beloved on to a superlative winning streak?

It's truly amazing how many accounts you have here. :rolleyes:

I don't understand either of your comments.

Smasher08
10-07-2012, 09:25 AM
Nadal has won 7 Roland Garros titles from 8 attempts. If Nadal was to win his 8th Roland Garros from 9 attempts, it will be more impressive than anything in the history of tennis. How many Wimbledon's has Federer needed to get 7? Kind of a joke when you look at how many Wimbledon attempts he's had.

Y'know, nadal_fart_catcher, when you post so repetitively and obsessively, you get easier and easier to spot.

Yawn.

Smasher08
10-07-2012, 09:27 AM
I don't understand either of your comments.

LOL it's pretty clear from your hilarious pie in the sky reasoning that you're not capable of understanding the first.

As for the second, best of luck buddy.

RAFA2005RG
10-07-2012, 09:20 PM
LOL it's pretty clear from your hilarious pie in the sky reasoning that you're not capable of understanding the first.

As for the second, best of luck buddy.

I don't understand either of these comments either. I guess you can't write.

leroy_sunset
10-07-2012, 10:50 PM
I can't stand Rafa, and yet there's no doubt in my mind:

Rafa.

adil1972
10-07-2012, 11:45 PM
its very hard to defeat nadal at RG

maybe he is on special drug which can pass anti doping test

just kidding

Tennis sensation
10-09-2012, 12:50 AM
Nadal would be my choice