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Babolatbarry
10-13-2012, 07:41 AM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

MikeHitsHard93
10-13-2012, 02:21 PM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

Get the team version and lead it up a lil bit..as long ad you don't mind the word "team" in its title ;)

Babolatbarry
10-13-2012, 03:18 PM
It's a 95 sq inch though

Larrysümmers
10-13-2012, 03:57 PM
work on your focus. if you were hitting great with it before, why not now?

MikeHitsHard93
10-13-2012, 04:34 PM
It's a 95 sq inch though

I have a 3.0 friend that plays just fine with a 95. You'll be fine sticking with it. A lighter weight racket will help. Keep the 95 though. That's my advice. Or there are excellent 98s out there.

Babolatbarry
10-13-2012, 04:43 PM
Stamina issues, seems like dominoes. Get tired, arm hurts, frame balls.

Larrysümmers
10-13-2012, 05:22 PM
have you used the apd, pd pdteam. radical mp, prince warriors. if not, thats what i would recommend trying out. i think these type of frames would help you.

Babolatbarry
10-13-2012, 05:38 PM
I have a warrior but I don't like the feel

Hi I'm Ray
10-13-2012, 05:48 PM
Stamina issues, seems like dominoes. Get tired, arm hurts, frame balls.

Doesn't sound like the frame then. Work on your game and do some running/sprinting.

Readers
10-13-2012, 07:07 PM
I have a 3.0 friend that plays just fine with a 95. You'll be fine sticking with it. A lighter weight racket will help. Keep the 95 though. That's my advice. Or there are excellent 98s out there.

I would advise keep the weight and go up to 100.

But don't buy a same weight one, buy a 100, lead up to the same weight, if you really can't swing it, take off some weight.

UCSF2012
10-13-2012, 09:06 PM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

Time to do some push-ups and suicide sprints. Strength training and condition is what turns a boy into a man.

Ross K
10-13-2012, 09:53 PM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

I have quite a lot of experience with the 6.1's and have played with most of them going back to the PSC. These are a unique line IMO. Very special.

But what it boils down to in my book is if the frame really suits your game (and though obvious, people, myself included, do sometimes give them themselves a harder time than is necessary by trying to use a stick that's not quite right for their individual needs), then maybe, as others suggest, just work on your fitness/game etc.

TBH though, it took me a long, long time to realize that these are actually slightly too demanding for me and my game and requirements - and this has got even more pronounced as I've got older - are for a bigger head-size, more forgiveness, lighter weight, etc.

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 08:20 AM
Yes they are very demanding, when I'm on the run I've practically already lost the point unless I try to hit a defensive slice

Power Player
10-14-2012, 08:23 AM
The 6.1 is one of the best frames out there but you have to play a lot of tennis and be in great shape. For me, I have been running a lot more, and have lost some strength and weight. I notice that the 12 ounce sticks are my preference, but I get rather tired on serve by the third set. The 6.1 definitely gave me problems after a while, which is too bad because I love it.

I have no idea how strong you are, but if you are having trouble on the run, then you will need something at least an ounce lighter. I was not having trouble on the run, just getting tired on serve in later sets.

I am demoing the BLX blade right now and I really am impressed with it..they are coming out with an open patterned version soon, so it may be worth checking out.

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 08:26 AM
Thank you for the recommendation

Larrysümmers
10-14-2012, 08:49 AM
i highly recommend the apd line and the radical mp. in high school i played with the n95, then k95 team, then k95. great honeymoon but something was always lacking in tight matches. last summer i got the blx 95, same thing. i then switched to the radical mp which a tad less wt so if you're off with your stroke a bit, you're not sailing in into the fence. then i tried the apdc and it was like the rad mp, but even better, though people dont like the feel it doesnt bother me.

right now ive been dabbling with the n pro open and it is very apd esqe but with a better feel, but tad less power.

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 08:58 AM
I've tried the pro open and it's okay

The Dark Knight
10-14-2012, 12:29 PM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

Don't worry....imagine how Fed feels when it happens to him. :-)

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 12:55 PM
Hahaha!




10has

darklore009
10-14-2012, 02:14 PM
Either look at the ball when you hit it or get the team version and lead the racket up.

UCSF2012
10-14-2012, 03:33 PM
Bah. Saddens me the boys of this generation are definitely more girly.

Eat something during your match and maybe you won't be so weak. Perhaps drink a protein shake and go hit the weight room.

xFullCourtTenniSx
10-14-2012, 03:35 PM
Less effort, more flow. If you're getting tired, you're either a senior citizen or arming the ball way too much. Use your whole body, relax, and let the weight do the work. If you're actually over 50, then look at Babolat rackets. You need only touch the ball to send it deep.

xFullCourtTenniSx
10-14-2012, 03:38 PM
Bah. Saddens me the boys of this generation are definitely more girly.

Eat something during your match and maybe you won't be so weak. Perhaps drink a protein shake and go hit the weight room.

How do we know he's a boy? Why not a man? Why not a girl? Why not a woman? Why not a senior citizen?

But yeah... 12 ounce rackets are so far on the light end of things... Why can't we all just go to wood and people can either toughen up or move on to another sport so we can have more tennis courts to play on. Hell, Chris Evert swung a much heavier racket than the 6.1 95 series. You wouldn't want Chrissy to call you a wimp now would you? (ignore the fact that she's older and married now lol)

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 03:39 PM
More girly? haha, okay old man.

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 03:40 PM
I'm 15 by the way. People back then were used to older racquets. I'm sure if I wa brought up on a woodie then I'd be better prepared for the weight of the six.one.

UCSF2012
10-14-2012, 03:44 PM
I'm 15 by the way. People back then were used to older racquets. I'm sure if I wa brought up on a woodie then I'd be better prepared for the weight of the six.one.

And when I was 15, I used a PS 6.1 95, with lead. When I was 16, I moved to the PS85 with even more lead.

No pain, no gain. Hurts your forearm, but that's how you develop the Sampras forearm. You mentioned a long while ago you were a 15yo boy. I'm not that old, but that's for the better. If I were that old, I would say that the girls my age used a heavier racket than you.

Babolatbarry
10-14-2012, 03:46 PM
I mean they were used to heavier racquets.. -_- my bad, and okay.

Timbo's hopeless slice
10-14-2012, 03:46 PM
I'm 15 by the way. People back then were used to older racquets. I'm sure if I wa brought up on a woodie then I'd be better prepared for the weight of the six.one.

that's a really good point, I learnt with some 13 oz wood thing when I was a littel kid, not because I was all manly and stuff, but because that's all there was!

I play with 11.5 oz 98" sticks that feel like squash racquets to me, I love them. My son, who is 13 and nationally ranked, likes the way they hit the ball but struggles to get his normally vicious RHS with them.

just depends what you are used to. look at young Felipe whatever his surname is, using a stock Blade 98 at the highest level. (number one junior, trains with Raonic)

makes me smile at all these weekend heroes getting 'pushed around' by 'heavy hitters' (in their 4.0 league!) and leading up their AG200s to handle it..

LeeD
10-14-2012, 03:54 PM
Now now...:)
If they say they're getting pushed around by 4.0's, maybe they just didn't get the memo of how to counteract it. Maybe they hit directly into the sweetspot of their opponent's, offering to wear down such opponent by allowing him to hit his best shot over and over again, until he get's so tired he starts to miss...:-?
I'd hate to need to change my rackets just because some player can out hit me, but that is one possible cure.

Timbo's hopeless slice
10-14-2012, 03:55 PM
lol, Lee, I can't help myself.. :)

フェデラー
10-14-2012, 06:17 PM
I started using the kblade tour (93) back when I was 15, and switched to the k factor 6.1 90 not much long after (still 15 at the time). It's just a matter of getting used to it. The weight and feel of that racket is unmatched by anything out there, and now that I've done more strength training I have begun leading it up quite a bit and it makes it even better. I've considered going to a 95 just because sometimes playing with the 90 can get very frustrating when my game is slightly off, but I haven't made that jump yet. Just stick with it, lift weights, etc etc

JackB1
10-14-2012, 07:41 PM
A few months ago I bought 2 six.one 95 16x18s. Loved them right off the bat except for some hot/dead spots. Never had any problems, but I think I fell victim to the "Honeymoon Period" thing or the "demo curse." Now as soon as I get a bit winded (Usually around the 10th game or so) my arm starts aching just a bit and I start framing balls on my serve.
Looks like I need to sell them /:
Thinking about demoing the new F 3.0 tour, I think it would be easier to play with but similar enough so it's not an overly complicated transition.
Thoughts?

just move down to the BLX Pro Open. The F 3.0 Tour isn't the same as the 95 at all. One is a closed pattern and one is open.

keithfival
10-15-2012, 07:40 AM
Yup, it's heavy. I demo'd it for a week, loved it for three days and then my shoulder was killing me the rest of the week. Also, if I wasn't dictating play I was in trouble as you mentioned. I'm in great shape, routinely play 4 sets or more of 4.5 grind-athon singles with a 340g racket which never, ever feels sluggish no matter how long I've been on the court.

I couldn't care less if Chrissie played with 450g wood shank, that worked for her. For me there is a threshold that seems to be around 340g, anything above that feels sluggish for my strokes/game. Just find the specs that work for you and let the people who like old heavy rackets enjoy the pride of standing at the net with a rock-solid 13 oz pro staff while you flick cross-court passing shots by them on the dead run all day with your girlie racket.:wink:

sureshs
10-15-2012, 08:55 AM
BabBarry, Filip the #1 junior in the world mentioned in another thread that he uses the stock Blade 98. That is 11.3 oz strung. Don't be listening to old farts about using heavier frames.

Power Player
10-15-2012, 10:58 AM
BabBarry, Filip the #1 junior in the world mentioned in another thread that he uses the stock Blade 98. That is 11.3 oz strung. Don't be listening to old farts about using heavier frames.

I think the key is that the SW is over 330. So it still swings with some beef. But yes you are right. I am finding that the best stick weight is the one you can serve consistently with for 3 sets.