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sepidoel
10-14-2012, 04:19 AM
I 'm really amazed by how so many times Nole turned the table when he was very near of losing. I think out of the current 4 tennis gods he has the strongest mentality. Though I'm not fond of his "barbarian" style but I admit he is a great man. Two thumbs up for him.

Zarfot Z
10-14-2012, 04:21 AM
Agree with OP. I'm a Federer fan and it is painful watching highlight reels of his US Open matches against Djokovic...

FedererDropShot
10-14-2012, 04:25 AM
Beyond godlike mentality.

It's admirable really.

djokovic2008
10-14-2012, 04:26 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

Seventeen
10-14-2012, 04:27 AM
Agree with OP. I'm a Federer fan and it is painful watching highlight reels of his US Open matches against Djokovic...

I totally agree...

No1e
10-14-2012, 04:27 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

How many match points has he saved for each? 5 MPs saved are incredible.

underground
10-14-2012, 04:29 AM
How many match points has he saved for each? 5 MPs saved are incredible.

2
2
0
4
5

Carsomyr
10-14-2012, 04:29 AM
He's had to develop that mentality in an era of two of the game's best players in order to achieve what he has, so kudos to him for doing so. It's been an up and down year for him, but his success of late as opposed to last season's drop-off is very impressive.

No1e
10-14-2012, 04:34 AM
2
2
0
4
5

Is there a record for total match points saved in a match?
I believe it's rare, but how rare is it? Can anyone share some insight?

Achilles82
10-14-2012, 04:38 AM
Is there a record for total match points saved in a match?
I believe it's rare, but how rare is it? Can anyone share some insight?

Yeah but these are not just "ordinary" match points. These saved match points are from semi finals, and finals of grand slams, and masters series tournamenrts.


Really amazing.

tennis_pro
10-14-2012, 04:38 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

you missed the most obvious one, vs Nadal 2012 AO final

NatF
10-14-2012, 04:41 AM
you missed the most obvious one, vs Nadal 2012 AO final

I was about to say that. Came from behind to win that fifth set after the marathon match versus Andy and 5 hours on court versus Rafa. Perhaps the most impressive of them all.

I'm a Federer fan foremost but Djokovic's nerves on crucial points are really something to watch.

Mainad
10-14-2012, 05:03 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

I would add 2011 Rome semi-final v Murray to your list.

tennisaddict
10-14-2012, 05:14 AM
I 'm really amazed by how so many times Nole turned the table when he was very near of losing. I think out of the current 4 tennis gods he has the strongest mentality. Though I'm not fond of his "barbarian" style but I admit he is a great man. Two thumbs up for him.

The thread is deserved for Nole. But please do not compare Murray with the other three yet.

He is a tennis god ? Compared to DY, Bogmolov ?

When he reaches 5+ majors , let us talk compare him with the other 3. For now, he is no better than Kafelnikov.

Mainad
10-14-2012, 05:17 AM
The thread is deserved for Nole. But please do not compare Murray with the other three yet.

He is a tennis god ? Compared to DY, Bogmolov ?

When he reaches 5+ majors , let us talk compare him with the other 3. For now, he is no better than Kafelnikov.

Well, if you don't want to include him with the other 3...fine. In that case, he stands very much alone in his own spot because he cannot be compared with any other player ranked below him. He is head and shoulders above every player from #5 down.

Steve0904
10-14-2012, 05:18 AM
Is there a record for total match points saved in a match?
I believe it's rare, but how rare is it? Can anyone share some insight?

First of all, huge props for Novak for saving MP's again today from a Federer fan. Really incredible! Now to your point. (Don't shoot the messanger please, and Muzza brigade please save it ok.) The most MP's I can ever remember being saved recently, say in the last 5 years or so is 7 by Federer in a RR match at the TMC/WTF in 2008 against Murray, although he lost that match, and he doesn't really have a reputation like Novak does for saving MP's. Now Borg probably saved a fair few in the 1980 Wimbledon final. I also remember Nadal saving a fair few against Almagro in a match in Paris in, I believe, 2009.

dudeski
10-14-2012, 05:18 AM
Yeah but these are not just "ordinary" match points. These saved match points are from semi finals, and finals of grand slams, and masters series tournamenrts.


Really amazing.

Exactly. Unlike let's say saving match points against Clownmagro in earlier rounds.

tennisaddict
10-14-2012, 05:24 AM
Well, if you don't want to include him with the other 3...fine. In that case, he stands very much alone in his own spot because he cannot be compared with any other player ranked below him. He is head and shoulders above every player from #5 down.

No doubts about that. Remember Delpo is not far behind. It is unfortunate that he is injury prone, else he probably would have had a better career by this time.

Towser83
10-14-2012, 05:25 AM
for most of this year it's been gone. Finally came back to him in Shanghai. But you know sometimes I thinksaving match points and escaping from near defeat is a bit down to luck, and it doesn't last forever. This year a lot of times the shots didn't come off, like double faulting vs Nadal at RG

NadalAgassi
10-14-2012, 05:29 AM
He is impressive but he is still no Serena. :)

djokovic2008
10-14-2012, 05:31 AM
you missed the most obvious one, vs Nadal 2012 AO final

Your right but no match points saved but it's deserves to on the list as the Murray semi listed had no match points saved either.

Mainad
10-14-2012, 05:33 AM
No doubts about that. Remember Delpo is not far behind. It is unfortunate that he is injury prone, else he probably would have had a better career by this time.

Delpo is not in the same league. His only big title is the 2009 USO. Murray has also been in 4 other Slam finals and won 8 Masters titles and been in another 3 finals not to mention winning the Olympic gold medal.

Even in 2009, at the height of Del Potro's career, Murray still had the better of him in 3 out of their 4 encounters that year.

djokovic2008
10-14-2012, 05:40 AM
Have to agree Murray is the real deal and is giving me nightmares these days he has so many options in his game delpo not on the same planet at the moment.

Towser83
10-14-2012, 05:44 AM
Delpo is not in the same league. His only big title is the 2009 USO. Murray has also been in 4 other Slam finals and won 8 Masters titles and been in another 3 finals not to mention winning the Olympic gold medal.

Even in 2009, at the height of Del Potro's career, Murray still had the better of him in 3 out of their 4 encounters that year.

Delpo was just discovering his potential that year and we will never know if without injury he would have gotten better. Murray is about a year and a year and a half older and the matches Murray won in 2009 were all close. plus i get the feeling Murray is a fairly bad matchup. but of course Murray is leagues ahead now.

Clarky21
10-14-2012, 05:46 AM
Yeah,especially when your opponent chokes away match points to hand you the match. Luckiest player ever this *******.

power level 800
10-14-2012, 05:50 AM
The thread is deserved for Nole. But please do not compare Murray with the other three yet.

He is a tennis god ? Compared to DY, Bogmolov ?

When he reaches 5+ majors , let us talk compare him with the other 3. For now, he is no better than Kafelnikov.

Kafelnikov has 2 Grand Slam Titles! :evil:

RF20Lennon
10-14-2012, 06:25 AM
Agreed he is more tougher than any of them!! Really a solid rock! those two USO's still hurt.....:(

RF20Lennon
10-14-2012, 06:26 AM
Kafelnikov has 2 Grand Slam Titles! :evil:

All Murray needs is one more and then he can be compared to Kafelnikov

Steve0904
10-14-2012, 06:46 AM
Agreed he is more tougher than any of them!! Really a solid rock! those two USO's still hurt.....:(

I agree that those two USO's hurt, but lets be honest, would you rather he lost to Djokovic or Nadal? He wasn't beating Nadal at either USO IMO, and if Nadal had won those matches he'd have 3 USO titles by now, and we would've never heard the end of it.

kaku
10-14-2012, 06:54 AM
Novak came back when he was two points away from losing. Anyone else would have probably given up if they couldn't come up with a comeback by that time. Insane mental strength, it all stemmed from early 2011, where he started believing that he could beat the top players. Then he started believing that he could comeback against the top players. Simply amazing

Mainad
10-14-2012, 07:56 AM
Novak came back when he was two points away from losing. Anyone else would have probably given up if they couldn't come up with a comeback by that time. Insane mental strength, it all stemmed from early 2011, where he started believing that he could beat the top players. Then he started believing that he could comeback against the top players. Simply amazing

Actually, he was just one point away from losing on 5 different occasions! :wink:

kaku
10-14-2012, 08:01 AM
Actually, he was just one point away from losing on 5 different occasions! :wink:

Haha true but the match turned at 30-0, which is rarely seen. 20 seconds ago it was looking like a routine service hold for Murray

Numenor
10-14-2012, 08:04 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

Don't forget when he was a break down in the 5th set of the AO final against Nadal. I still can't believe how Novak managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

forzamilan90
10-14-2012, 08:08 AM
Crazy good mental will power.

In terms of all time greatness, he's surpassing some great players already. Djokovic>Hoad, Courier, and the likes. He's gonna keep moving on up and will be an upper tier legend one of these days.

sepidoel
10-14-2012, 08:11 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

I never thought it would be that many. Damn...

The thread is deserved for Nole. But please do not compare Murray with the other three yet.

He is a tennis god ? Compared to DY, Bogmolov ?

When he reaches 5+ majors , let us talk compare him with the other 3. For now, he is no better than Kafelnikov.

I never said "of all time", just currently. Murray has been on year end top 4 since 2008 (occasionally visiting no. 5) and no lower rank than him has been a threat to his position ever since. I think he deserves high praise for his achievement.

El Nino
10-14-2012, 08:21 AM
Hate to say it but Murrays Mental game still needs work. First against Raonic and now Djokovic. That's 8 match points if you combine the 2 matches. But kudos to Nole, he showed glimpses of Djokovic 2.0 in the 2011 season

sepidoel
10-14-2012, 08:30 AM
I see Murray has slightly improved in that section, perhaps by Lendl's help (he's didn't cry, did he?). Long way to catch Djokovic though.

merwy
10-14-2012, 08:38 AM
He is impressive but he is still no Serena. :)

True, he is indeed a better tennis player and not a woman.

Mainad
10-14-2012, 08:42 AM
Haha true but the match turned at 30-0, which is rarely seen. 20 seconds ago it was looking like a routine service hold for Murray

Agreed. Alas, Murray was not clutch enough on serve after getting to 30-0. He just needed to pull out a couple of big ones like he did when serving out for the USO. He just couldn't pull one off when he most needed it. Same with all the match points he held in the tie-break. He had to rely on weakish 2nd serves which Djokovic immediately pounced on. And that's how the fate of a tennis match can turn!

Djokovic stared down the barrel of a gun 5 times and each time dodged the bullet. That's a tribute to his staying power and never-say-die attitude. He won the battle of wills and, unlike at the USO, the stamina battle.

President
10-14-2012, 10:19 AM
He is impressive but he is still no Serena. :)

Djokovic's comebacks are far more impressive than any Serena has done and against much more mentally stable competition as well. I think he's definitely mentally tougher than her.

norbac
10-14-2012, 10:21 AM
The kid's tough. Can definitely see him winning at least 1 Slam title in his career.

R.Federer
10-14-2012, 10:41 AM
joker is the next generation warrior love his game and spirit

TMF
10-14-2012, 10:45 AM
Djokovic's comebacks are far more impressive than any Serena has done and against much more mentally stable competition as well. I think he's definitely mentally tougher than her.

QFT. To overcome 13 match points and end up winning the match is crazy for just a player just at 25. Serena had great comeback but rather than facing match points, she faces Azarenka serving out for the match. That's much less pressure than facing multiple match points.

MurrayMyInspiration
10-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Is there a record for total match points saved in a match?
I believe it's rare, but how rare is it? Can anyone share some insight?

Seppi saved 7 in a row in rome against wawrinka i think...He was 6-0 down in tiebreak final set or something like that:shock:

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Credit to Murray's WEAK mentality as well

Towser83
10-14-2012, 11:19 AM
Djokovic's comebacks are far more impressive than any Serena has done and against much more mentally stable competition as well. I think he's definitely mentally tougher than her.

Yes. mens game 4 top players. women's game 1 top player. serena has no rival. he come backs are the equivalent of djokovic coming back against someone like alnagro.

vive le beau jeu !
10-14-2012, 11:27 AM
in terms of being mentally strong, i think muster 1995 deserves a mention: in 6 of the 12 tournaments he won that year, he saved one or more match points !
i guess it's a record...

1 MP in QF (against J.Sanchez) in Estoril
1 MP in 1R (against Burillo) in Barcelona
2 MP's in F (against Becker) in Monte Carlo
3 MP's in 1R (against Dewulf) in St. Polten
4 MP's in SF (against Bruguera) in Stuttgart
3 MP's in F (against C.Costa) in Umag

from: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1838587#post1838587

Carsomyr
10-14-2012, 11:38 AM
in terms of being mentally strong, i think muster 1995 deserves a mention: in 6 of the 12 tournaments he won that year, he saved one or more match points !
i guess it's a record...

1 MP in QF (against J.Sanchez) in Estoril
1 MP in 1R (against Burillo) in Barcelona
2 MP's in F (against Becker) in Monte Carlo
3 MP's in 1R (against Dewulf) in St. Polten
4 MP's in SF (against Bruguera) in Stuttgart
3 MP's in F (against C.Costa) in Umag

from: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1838587#post1838587

Wow. That is extremely impressive, especially considering the likelihood that those MPs weren't quick points given the surface.

Gizo
10-14-2012, 12:17 PM
Nicolas Lapentti was also pretty mentally strong and such a huge fighter.

He won the following 16 matches that he faced match points in:

Coral Springs 1996 R32 vs Wade McGuire - saved 5 match points
Australian Open 1999 R128 vs Thomas Johansson - saved 2 match points
Rome 1999 R16 vs Nicolas Kiefer - saved 2 match points
Lyon 1999 R32 vs Jan Siemerink - saved 1 match point
Lyon 1999 SF vs Magnus Gustafsson - saved 1 match point (he went on to win that Lyon 1999 tournament, having saved match points in 2 different matches)
Stuttgart Indoor 2001 R32 vs Arnaud Clement - saved 5 match points
Paris-Bercy 2001 R64 vs Anthony Dupuis - saved 1 match point
Vina Del Mar 2002 QF vs Flavio Saretta - saved 2 match points
St Polten 2002 R16 vs Irakli Labadze - saved 4 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
Wimbeldon 2002 R128 vs Jamie Delgado - saved 4 match points
Bastad 2003 QF vs Rafael Nadal - saved 5 match points
Davis Cup 2003 vs Victor Hanescu - saved 3 match points
Costa Do Sauipe 2008 QF vs Eduardo Schwank - saved 3 match points
Davis Cup 2008 vs Ramon Delgado - saved 1 match point
Davis Cup 2009 vs Frank Dancevic - saved 2 match points
Monte-Carlo 2009 R32 vs Marat Safin - saved 3 match points

Gizo
10-14-2012, 12:42 PM
Felix Mantilla's list is also hugely impressive:

Monte-Carlo 1996 R16 vs Javier Sanchez - saved 1 match point
San Marino 1997 R32 vs Richard Fromberg - saved 3 match points
Dubai 1998 SF vs Wayne Ferreira - saved 2 match points
Hamburg 1998 R16 vs Alberto Berasategui - saved 9 match points
Santiago 1998 QF vs Jim Courier - saved 1 match point
Monte-Carlo 1999 QF vs Albert Costa - saved 4 match points
Palermo 2001 SF vs Albert Portas - saved 9 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
Rome 2004 R64 vs Robby Ginepri - saved 4 match points

Winning 2 different matches that he faced 9 match points in was incredible.

Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his 1st round match against Kim Wawrick at the Italian Open in 1976. He went on to that tournament and capture his big home city title, beating Vilas in the final.

Alberto Martin saved 10 match points before beating Adrian Voinea in their 1st round match at Bucharest in 1999. Rainer Schuttler also did that in his 1st round match against Andreas Seppi at Kitzbuhel in 2004.

jean pierre
10-14-2012, 01:08 PM
Felix Mantilla's list is also hugely impressive:

Monte-Carlo 1996 R16 vs Javier Sanchez - saved 1 match point
San Marino 1997 R32 vs Richard Fromberg - saved 3 match points
Dubai 1998 SF vs Wayne Ferreira - saved 2 match points
Hamburg 1998 R16 vs Alberto Berasategui - saved 9 match points
Santiago 1998 QF vs Jim Courier - saved 1 match point
Monte-Carlo 1999 QF vs Albert Costa - saved 4 match points
Palermo 2001 SF vs Albert Portas - saved 9 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
Rome 2004 R64 vs Robby Ginepri - saved 4 match points

Winning 2 different matches that he faced 9 match points in was incredible.

Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his 1st round match against Kim Wawrick at the Italian Open in 1976. He went on to that tournament and capture his big home city title, beating Vilas in the final.

Alberto Martin saved 10 match points before beating Adrian Voinea in their 1st round match at Bucharest in 1999. Rainer Schuttler also did that in his 1st round match against Andreas Seppi at Kitzbuhel in 2004.

Panatta saved also 1 match point at FO 1976, against Hutka (first round), and won the tournament.

sepidoel
10-14-2012, 02:18 PM
@Gizo : wow, how do you find those stats?

Achilles82
10-14-2012, 02:23 PM
Felix Mantilla's list is also hugely impressive:

Monte-Carlo 1996 R16 vs Javier Sanchez - saved 1 match point
San Marino 1997 R32 vs Richard Fromberg - saved 3 match points
Dubai 1998 SF vs Wayne Ferreira - saved 2 match points
Hamburg 1998 R16 vs Alberto Berasategui - saved 9 match points
Santiago 1998 QF vs Jim Courier - saved 1 match point
Monte-Carlo 1999 QF vs Albert Costa - saved 4 match points
Palermo 2001 SF vs Albert Portas - saved 9 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
Rome 2004 R64 vs Robby Ginepri - saved 4 match points

Winning 2 different matches that he faced 9 match points in was incredible.

Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his 1st round match against Kim Wawrick at the Italian Open in 1976. He went on to that tournament and capture his big home city title, beating Vilas in the final.

Alberto Martin saved 10 match points before beating Adrian Voinea in their 1st round match at Bucharest in 1999. Rainer Schuttler also did that in his 1st round match against Andreas Seppi at Kitzbuhel in 2004.

This is impressive. But the difference is Novak saved match points in three grand slam semi finals, one grand slam quarter final, also masters final.

And he played against the toughest players, like Federer, Murray, Tsonga...


Novak really is king of clutch

Achilles82
10-14-2012, 02:27 PM
The kid's tough. Can definitely see him winning at least 1 Slam title in his career.


Oh really? You think he'll win at least one? That is so gracious of you. You are only talking about this year No1 player of the world, and 99% year end No1 tennis player, 5 time grand slam winner... and he is only 25. Has at least 3 years at top level, and 6 or 7 good years.

And you think he'll win at least one more grand slam?


Jesus Christ... it's like you're talking about Del Potro or a 100 year old Federer

norbac
10-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Oh really? You think he'll win at least one? That is so gracious of you. You are only talking about this year No1 player of the world, and 99% year end No1 tennis player, 5 time grand slam winner... and he is only 25. Has at least 3 years at top level, and 6 or 7 good years.

And you think he'll win at least one more grand slam?


Jesus Christ... it's like you're talking about Del Potro or a 100 year old Federer

A one slam wonder is not a negative moniker to have. I, for example, have no Grand Slam titles to my name.

cork_screw
10-14-2012, 05:27 PM
I was pretty much convinced of this at the aussie open. And all those masters wins last year against nadal where he came back from a set down. He does it where he takes a lot of risks even on championship or breakpoint.

NadalAgassi
10-14-2012, 06:07 PM
Djokovic's comebacks are far more impressive than any Serena has done and against much more mentally stable competition as well. I think he's definitely mentally tougher than her.

Serena's huge comebacks in slams that she WON alone:

1999 U.S Open 3rd round- down 5-3 in 3rd set, opponent served for match
2002 French Open semis- down 6-3, 6-5
2003 Australian Open 1st round- down match points to Loit in 2nd set
2003 Australian Open semis- down 5-1 and match points in 3rd set
2005 Australian Open semis- down 6-2, 5-3, opponent serving for match, then down match points in 3rd set against opponents serve.
2005 Australian Open final- down 6-1, 2-0, won almost all remaining games
2007 Australian Open 3rd round- down 6-1, 5-4 opponent serving for match
2007 Australian Open quarters- opponent served for match
2008 U.S Open quarters- Venus had many set points in both sets, lost both
2009 Australian Open quarters- opponent killing her, served for straight sets win, lost in 3
2009 Wimbledon semis- down match points in 3rd set
2010 Australian Open quarters- down a set and 4-0
2012 U.S Open final- opponent served for match

That is not even getting into all the ones in slams she didnt win in the end, other tournaments, etc..

oy vey
10-14-2012, 06:43 PM
What exactly did Novak win today?
won 7 of 9 masters
reached final of all masters
won the China double
went ahead of Sampras with 13 ( not sure about this)

BauerAlmeida
10-14-2012, 06:54 PM
This one was great too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Y9oaHlNC8

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 07:02 PM
What exactly did Novak win today?
won 7 of 9 masters
reached final of all masters
won the China double
went ahead of Sampras with 13 ( not sure about this)

Sampras had 11 so Djoko was already ahead of Sampras after Canada.

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 07:16 PM
About Djoko's strong mentality: he is extremely tenacious and is one of the best returners ever, but mostly he never gives up. The combination is what makes him so difficult to beat. He wears you down mentally. A good example is Nadal in 5th set of AO and Fed in 5th set of USO, they were both a break up but somehow Djoko found a way to break back (remember last year how Fed couldn't believe Djoko hit that return). One is never "safe" with Djoko on the return. You saw great examples of that at the USO vs Delpo with those interminable games that broke Delpo's morale in the end. In the USO final, Djoko was beat physically, he pushed the match to a 5th through sheer mental grittiness and determination. What's also exceptional is Djoko's ability to rebound after a bad loss. It seems to be very hard, if not impossible, to knock his morale down. And of course that's the mark of true champs.

sbengte
10-15-2012, 02:14 AM
Props to Nole , he has established himself as the King of comeback in the current era. It is not just about saving MPs , but also the kind of big matches in which he has done it. To think that he was someone who would retire complaining of sore throat or heatstroke just a few years ago, he has come a long way as a player and a champion !

Clarky21
10-15-2012, 06:41 AM
Props to Nole , he has established himself as the King of comeback in the current era. It is not just about saving MPs , but also the kind of big matches in which he has done it. To think that he was someone who would retire complaining of sore throat or heatstroke just a few years ago, he has come a long way as a player and a champion !


Yep,thanks to Dr. Igor.

sportsfan1
10-15-2012, 08:04 AM
Read on tennis.com in a Tignor article that Djoker has won 10 times after being down match point. Are there any stats available on number of times won in career after being MP down?

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/10/nole-and-andy-show/39776/#.UHwzx3lOjRg

Moose Malloy
10-15-2012, 08:46 AM
Read on tennis.com in a Tignor article that Djoker has won 10 times after being down match point. Are there any stats available on number of times won in career after being MP down?


Nope. not is known about players from the 70s/80s/even 90s as far as arcane stats like this go.

I would bet Borg blows away everyone in this stat(like he does is most 'mental toughness' categories, 5 setters, etc)
And I'm sure he's forgotten many of the matches he won from down match point, so no way to ever know how many times he did this.

Tennis is a very young sport as far as stats/records. And its really not getting all that better.

sureshs
10-15-2012, 08:50 AM
One of the 3 tennis magazine experts (OK so Bodo should be filtered out) thinks Djokovic was the best among him, Fed and Nadal, when at his best.

Another guy said Nadal.

And of course Bodo said Fed, but then he needs to be discounted.

Steve0904
10-15-2012, 09:58 AM
One of the 3 tennis magazine experts (OK so Bodo should be filtered out) thinks Djokovic was the best among him, Fed and Nadal, when at his best.

Another guy said Nadal.

And of course Bodo said Fed, but then he needs to be discounted.

I definitely don't think it was Nadal. It's between Fed and Novak IMO. I think Djokovic had much better returns obviously, and he really had no weaknesses off the ground since you could no longer attack his FH looking for errors. However with Fed I think you could still get a few off his BH. Fed had/has a better serve, a better slice, and better volleying though. Courts were also a bit faster in Federer's dominating period. Not like 90's fast, but a bit faster than today. Hence why almost all the guys from Fed's early days took the ball on the rise, i.e older Agassi, Safin, Nalbandian, and Roddick. Hewitt was probably the only one who could be termed a counterpuncher.

sepidoel
10-16-2012, 05:33 AM
It's been just 2 days and someone (WorldTennis24) has already upload the highlights of ShangHai epic match in HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0a6Nu7bndM

Enjoy the crowd. :)

5555
10-18-2012, 02:54 AM
Do you remember the semifinal of Madrid 2009 when Novak saved match point after hiting drop shot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlxEKoBc9H0&feature=player_detailpage#t=317s

Fedex
10-18-2012, 08:58 AM
I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

Vs fed 2010 us open semi
Vs fed 2011 us open semi
Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final

You forgot the 2011 Rome semi vs Murray when Murray was serving for the match 30-15 up and Djokovic got the luckiest net chord.
Or was it really luck?
Neh Nehhh.

veroniquem
10-18-2012, 09:12 AM
I definitely don't think it was Nadal. It's between Fed and Novak IMO. I think Djokovic had much better returns obviously, and he really had no weaknesses off the ground since you could no longer attack his FH looking for errors. However with Fed I think you could still get a few off his BH. Fed had/has a better serve, a better slice, and better volleying though. Courts were also a bit faster in Federer's dominating period. Not like 90's fast, but a bit faster than today. Hence why almost all the guys from Fed's early days took the ball on the rise, i.e older Agassi, Safin, Nalbandian, and Roddick. Hewitt was probably the only one who could be termed a counterpuncher.

It really depends on which surface. How could one NOT pick Rafa on clay??? I would pick prime Fed on faster/indoor hard and Djoko on slower/medium paced hard. Fed on grass of course.