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tennis_pro
10-14-2012, 06:26 AM
As some jump to weird conclusions already after a couple of recent losses (Federer retirement - really?) we should just put things in perspective. As a Fed fan:

- won the biggest tournament in the world
- regained no 1 for a couple of months
- keeps h2h even (in the last 4 meetings against the top 4 he's split the wins and losses)
- won 3 Masters tournaments, the last time he's done that was way back in 2006 (!!)
- won 6 titles

Overall it's been way better than I expected, given his age. I wanted him to end the year ranked 1st too but let's get real here. Ending the year ranked 2nd is also great.

I would be happy to hear what the other fans think, especially your thoughts on:
-Nadal's long absence (he still dominated clay)
-Murray's 1st major (yet not a lot of success in Masters)
-Djokovic failing to defend most of his titles yet still ending year ranked 1st by quite some margin (that's what I expect at least)

RF20Lennon
10-14-2012, 06:29 AM
As a fed fan!! Im seriously extremely happy!! I didnt think he could get the #1 back and he did!! If he wins WTF thatll just be mind boggling but overall extremely satisfied with fed

Russeljones
10-14-2012, 06:30 AM
I've been content with Federer for years. He didn't have to win a 17th Slam tournament as far as I am concerned. I like the fact that he can hang with the younger players but obviously he comes in for unfair abuse/comparisons when the same players defeat him. In this context I think his retirement would be a relief for me.

No1e
10-14-2012, 06:32 AM
Disappointed, because Nole clearly should have won at least one more slam.

kaku
10-14-2012, 06:36 AM
What I liked about Murray's season:
-First Major
-Olympic Gold
-Aggressive Murray
-100x mentally stronger against top guys compared to previous years
-Very close H2H this year against the probably YE #1
-How he bounced back after losing the Wimbledon final
-Way better forehand, he can now consistently take it up the line without having to spin it and have it land on the service line
-I think he's making an effort to try and hit regular backhands on the defensive instead of slicing it the whole time

What I didn't like:
-No masters :(
-A rather poor clay season compared to last year
-Wimbledon Final
-The recent Shanghai loss. I hope having 5 MPs to eventually lose doesn't affect him for the next couple of tournaments

Overall, the positives far outweigh the negatives. He can't win them all, and winning a slam + OG is a fantastic year in anybody's book. Best season for Murray, obviously my favorite too :)

Also, hiring Ivan Lendl was the biggest and best decision he made in his entire career. Things weren't looking so good after the AO, but just as Murray himself said, the results would show around Wimbledon time, and voila, he gets to a W Final, wins OG, and wins the USO

Steve0904
10-14-2012, 06:40 AM
I've been content with Federer for years. He didn't have to win a 17th Slam tournament as far as I am concerned. I like the fact that he can hang with the younger players but obviously he comes in for unfair abuse/comparisons when the same players defeat him. In this context I think his retirement would be a relief for me.

I totally agree with this. I couldn't be happier with Fed's season. He didn't even need to win a 17th major, but I'm glad he did, and got back to #1 at his age just to shut everybody up who said he'd never do either of those things again. The truth is, I never understand why he gets so much abuse for losing to any of the other top 3 nowadays. Particularly annoying is the retirement talk after a loss. He's not even supposed to be hanging with these guys, yet he's taken the #1 ranking away from Djokovic in his prime, and won a major, basically proving the weak era argument null and void.

batz
10-14-2012, 06:41 AM
What I liked about Murray's season:
-First Major
-Olympic Gold
-Aggressive Murray
-100x mentally stronger against top guys compared to previous years
-Very close H2H this year against the probably YE #1
-How he bounced back after losing the Wimbledon final
-Way better forehand, he can now consistently take it up the line without having to spin it and have it land on the service line
-I think he's making an effort to try and hit regular backhands on the defensive instead of slicing it the whole time

What I didn't like:
-No masters :(
-A rather poor clay season compared to last year
-Wimbledon Final
-The recent Shanghai loss. I hope having 5 MPs to eventually lose doesn't affect him for the next couple of tournaments

Overall, the positives far outweigh the negatives. He can't win them all, and winning a slam + OG is a fantastic year in anybody's book. Best season for Murray, obviously my favorite too :)

Couldn't have put it better mate. This is the first time since 2007 that he's failed to win an MS (I'm assuming he doesn't play Paris) - but I wouldn't swap his 1 slam win for all 9 MS and the WTF. Been by far Murray's best season.

All-rounder
10-14-2012, 06:44 AM
I said at the beginning of the year Murray would win either the US open or Wimbledon.

He made it to the finals of Wimbledon and picked up his first major at US open. The gold medal is just icing on the cake.

Clarky21
10-14-2012, 06:47 AM
Nope. My fav hasn't even played since June. His season was a colassal flop.

kaku
10-14-2012, 06:50 AM
Couldn't have put it better mate. This is the first time since 2007 that he's failed to win an MS (I'm assuming he doesn't play Paris) - but I wouldn't swap his 1 slam win for all 9 MS and the WTF. Been by far Murray's best season.

Agreed, but i guess winning OG feels like winning a Masters and then some :).

I think he'll play Basel without the full intention of winning it, pull out of Paris, and then meet up with Ivan to make his final push for a London WTF title

batz
10-14-2012, 07:09 AM
Nope. My fav hasn't even played since June. His season was a colassal flop.

Bit harsh. Won one slam, could easily have won another.

Hood_Man
10-14-2012, 07:16 AM
I'm happy :) I would have like to have seen Federer win that Olympic Gold medal, and Murray and Robson to take the doubles Gold, but otherwise their seasons have been brilliant.

Although I watched Wimbledon and have downloaded or watched some of his past matches on Youtube, I wasn't able to see any of Federer's dominance during his best years. This year, in particular the Spring/Summer, has been a nice taster of how things went for him, and I'm glad I was able to see it.

I'm also thrilled of course to see Murray win a slam at last. Plus, having reached the finals of 3 of the 4, and the semi at the 4th, I can see great things to come for Murray in future too.

smash hit
10-14-2012, 07:36 AM
Nope. My fav hasn't even played since June. His season was a colassal flop.

Whilst it is disappointing when your favourite player is unable to play, he is mine also, his season doesn't shape up too badly when compared to the other three.

Djokovic 1 slam, 3 masters,1 500

Federer 1 slam, 3 masters, 2 500's

Murray 1 slam. 1 250 and Olympic Gold

Nadal 1 slam, 2 masters, 1 500.

TheF1Bob
10-14-2012, 07:41 AM
No just for the fact Novak hasn't delivered in the big matches post AO which is a darn shame considering he's consistent as hell in making these semis/finals.

Saying that, if he had won the french or the USO, that would of changed my mindset big time.

forzamilan90
10-14-2012, 08:05 AM
Yeah, scored another Wimbledon and broke the #1 record...that's just good stuff

Clarky21
10-14-2012, 08:07 AM
Whilst it is disappointing when your favourite player is unable to play, he is mine also, his season doesn't shape up too badly when compared to the other three.

Djokovic 1 slam, 3 masters,1 500

Federer 1 slam, 3 masters, 2 500's

Murray 1 slam. 1 250 and Olympic Gold

Nadal 1 slam, 2 masters, 1 500.



It's still a flop when you think about how he was leading the points race up until his injury. He maybe could have finished the year at #1 if not for being injury prone.

tennisaddict
10-14-2012, 08:14 AM
Grandpa Fed winning a 17th major at Wimbledon, Olympic Silver, 3 masters and getting the world No 1 , when the other top 3 are at age 24-26 in their prime, spanking Nole and Rafa to 6-0 sets, fabulous year in all.

Everything after major No 15 are all a bonus and this year further distanced Federer from all the great tennis players of all eras.

Mainad
10-14-2012, 08:18 AM
Nope. My fav hasn't even played since June. His season was a colassal flop.

Steady on! He won 1 Slam (a record 7th FO) and fought a close 5 setter in the final of another (AO). Plus he won 2 more Masters 1000s (MC and Rome). It's only since the Wimbledon debacle that his season came to an abrupt and premature end. But he achieved far more in the 1st half than anybody else not named Federer or Djokovic.

Not the greatest season by Rafa's colossally high standards, but hardly 'a colossal flop' either! :confused:

Mainad
10-14-2012, 08:31 AM
As a Murray fan, I think his season has been a strange and topsy-turvy one. Mostly exhilarating with a few disappointments thrown in.

Exhilarating:

Winning his first Grand Slam title,the Olympic gold medal and making his first Wimbledon final.

Disappointing:

His performance in the Masters series. Losing his only 2 finals and failing to convert FIVE match points in the second! Failing to get past the early rounds of most of the others.

His failure to convert a match point in the semi-final of Tokyo.

What is it with Murray failing to win matches he should have won this season? :(

But of course, the exhilarating bits greatly outweigh the disappointing bits! :)

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 08:34 AM
If you're a Fed fan you HAVE to be happy.. You manage a record tying Wimbledon with Sampras and you regain the #1 spot.. Whats there not to be happy about?


If you're a Murray fan.. You are happy, that Murray finally gets the slam monkey off his back. That was the main thing he needed.. A slam.. These Masters events..Ehhh Murray has enough of those.


If you're a Nadal fan you should be disappointed (barring get the French Open title).. Another year, more injuries

TMF
10-14-2012, 08:37 AM
Of the 4 players, I believe Murray fans are the happiest because he FINALLY won a slam + gold medal. Fed fans are the 2nd happiest because he won Wimbledon + break the Sampras's 286 weeks at #1. While there's more expectation from Nole this year, but he did win a slam and it looks like he will end the year #1. I'm not sure Nadal fans(in general) are happy because he hasn't played since Wimbledon, but he did break Borg's record by winning 7th FO. So there are some fans that are not highly demanding from Nadal are happy for him.

This year marks the first time that all 4 players have done something that their fans can say they are happy. Unlike in the past years, it's either one player had tremendous success and the others were disappointing. Congratulation to all the players and their fans.

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 08:38 AM
I am uberhappy with Nadal's season on clay. It was all the more important as he had lost 2 main events to Djoko on clay in 2011. Reclaiming total superiority on the surface this year was a must and the way he did it was awesome. Of course everything off clay, I'll try to forget as fast as possible but the clay triumph makes up for the gloom and doom elsewhere. I am also glad Murray won a slam, I think he deserved it (and Olympics in front of his home crowd) and in Rafa's absence, I hope Djoko will finish the season at #1, I think he's had the best season overall (among the top 4).

TMF
10-14-2012, 08:40 AM
If you're a Fed fan you HAVE to be happy.. You manage a record tying Wimbledon with Sampras and you regain the #1 spot.. Whats there not to be happy about?


If you're a Murray fan.. You are happy, that Murray finally gets the slam monkey off his back. That was the main thing he needed.. A slam.. These Masters events..Ehhh Murray has enough of those.


If you're a Nadal fan you should be disappointed (barring get the French Open title).. Another year, more injuries

They are the LEAST happiest of the 4. Nadal broke Borg's record and solidify him as a clay goat.

Since you are not a fan of any of the 4 players, are you happy? Disappointed?

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 08:43 AM
They are the LEAST happiest of the 4. Nadal broke Borg's record and solidify him as a clay goat.

Since you are not a fan of any of the 4 players, are you happy? Disappointed?

Pretty disappointed.. I wanted Nadal around to shake things up a bit.. I can't stomach Djoker-Murray matches.. They bore me to death.

NDFM
10-14-2012, 08:44 AM
Of the 4 players, I believe Murray fans are the happiest because he FINALLY won a slam + gold medal. Fed fans are the 2nd happiest because he won Wimbledon + break the Sampras's 286 weeks at #1. While there's more expectation from Nole this year, but he did win a slam and it looks like he will end the year #1. I'm not sure Nadal fans(in general) are happy because he hasn't played since Wimbledon, but he did break Borg's record by winning 7th FO. So there are some fans that are not highly demanding from Nadal are happy for him.

This year marks the first time that all 4 players have done something that their fans can say they are happy. Unlike in the past years, it's either one player had tremendous success and the others were disappointing. Congratulation to all the players and their fans.

As a nadal fan I'm satisfied (probably more neutral) to be honest, he set a record at the FO, won 2 masters and extended his record at monte carlo to 8 wins there as well as battling it out in the AO final despite the loss in the end. The disappointment of course is him losing in the second round at Wimbledon then missing the second half of the season, but overall this year in tennis has been good with the top 4 all winning 1 slam, Team GB doing well at the olympics with murray's gold in the singles so i'm not too disappointed, I just hope next year is good for him.

TMF
10-14-2012, 08:46 AM
Pretty disappointed.. I wanted Nadal around to shake things up a bit.. I can't stomach Djoker-Murray matches.. They bore me to death.

The final they just played was a great match, how could one can't enjoy it.:confused: It was much better than the two semifinals(Fed/Murray, Nole/Berdych).

NDFM
10-14-2012, 08:47 AM
If you're a Fed fan you HAVE to be happy.. You manage a record tying Wimbledon with Sampras and you regain the #1 spot.. Whats there not to be happy about?


If you're a Murray fan.. You are happy, that Murray finally gets the slam monkey off his back. That was the main thing he needed.. A slam.. These Masters events..Ehhh Murray has enough of those.


If you're a Nadal fan you should be disappointed (barring get the French Open title).. Another year, more injuries

I really worry about how long he'll be playing tennis, he already took a long break in february, then withdrew in Miami and now missed the second half of 2012. I'm not sure he can bounce back to top form, if he does it will take a while

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 08:49 AM
The final they just played was a great match, how could one can't enjoy it.:confused: It was much better than the two semifinals(Fed/Murray, Nole/Berdych).

I will never like Murray's game in general.. He always seems to beat himself in those types of matches. Thats why the USO surprised me so much. I thought for sure Murray was going to choke that away just like he did today. I think the only reason Murray held on at the USO was because of Nole's cramps.

Today showed the TRUE Murray. What he really is. A choke artist in those big pressure situations on the big stage

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 08:51 AM
As a nadal fan I'm satisfied (probably more neutral) to be honest, he set a record at the FO, won 2 masters and extended his record at monte carlo to 8 wins there as well as battling it out in the AO final despite the loss in the end. The disappointment of course is him losing in the second round at Wimbledon then missing the second half of the season, but overall this year in tennis has been good with the top 4 all winning 1 slam, Team GB doing well at the olympics with murray's gold in the singles so i'm not too disappointed, I just hope next year is good for him.
I would add to the disappointment list the excruciating loss to Djoko in AO (after leading by a break in the 5th ), the Miami withdrawal and the IW debacle. To me, everything off clay was a fiasco this season (AO less so because he reached the final ) but everything on clay was perfect, which is a significant progress over 2011. The injuries are just majorly frustrating.

batz
10-14-2012, 08:54 AM
Of the 4 players, I believe Murray fans are the happiest because he FINALLY won a slam + gold medal. Fed fans are the 2nd happiest because he won Wimbledon + break the Sampras's 286 weeks at #1. While there's more expectation from Nole this year, but he did win a slam and it looks like he will end the year #1. I'm not sure Nadal fans(in general) are happy because he hasn't played since Wimbledon, but he did break Borg's record by winning 7th FO. So there are some fans that are not highly demanding from Nadal are happy for him.

This year marks the first time that all 4 players have done something that their fans can say they are happy. Unlike in the past years, it's either one player had tremendous success and the others were disappointing. Congratulation to all the players and their fans.

You're darn tootin'! :)

Funny thing is, I celebrated the OG win more:confused: - USO was more of a numbing feeling. I still have moments when I wonder if it actually happened. Was pretty disappointing to see him miss 5 MP today, then I remembered the USO, smiled, and was happy for Novak.

NDFM
10-14-2012, 08:56 AM
I would add to the disappointment list the excruciating loss to Djoko in AO (after leading by a break in the 5th ), the Miami withdrawal and the IW debacle. To me, everything off clay was a fiasco this season (AO less so because he reached the final ) but everything on clay was perfect, which is a significant progress over 2011. The injuries are just majorly frustrating.

I know it's led to withdrawal after withdrawal of the top tournaments and false hope coming from his camp, especially Toni, after he said he'll play the DC semi, WTF and DC final I was like please stop, think about what your saying before you release such info to the press

kaku
10-14-2012, 09:01 AM
You're darn tootin'! :)

Funny thing is, I celebrated the OG win more:confused: - USO was more of a numbing feeling. I still have moments when I wonder if it actually happened. Was pretty disappointing to see him miss 5 MP today, then I remembered the USO, smiled, and was happy for Novak.

Thanks for reminding me of the USO win, I feel better already :).

Actually, I'm more concerned about what this loss means for Murray's upcoming tournaments. Maybe I'm a Murrayphobe and over-thinking it but I don't want to see another slump :(

Mainad
10-14-2012, 09:03 AM
I will never like Murray's game in general.. He always seems to beat himself in those types of matches. Thats why the USO surprised me so much. I thought for sure Murray was going to choke that away just like he did today. I think the only reason Murray held on at the USO was because of Nole's cramps.

You're being unfair. He came out playing aggressively in the final set and quickly went up a break. He himself said afterwards that he came out determined to fight the last set down to the wire if need be. Djokovic only started cramping towards the end of that final set when he was already under all kinds of pressure from Murray's aggressive serves and returns. So let's give Murray credit where it's due. I'm surprised you didn't throw in the wind factor for good measure.

I
Today showed the TRUE Murray. What he really is. A choke artist in those big pressure situations on the big stage

So how come he won not only his first Slam but the Olympic gold medal this year and how come he's won 8 other Masters titles including 3 of them against Djokovic in the final and 2 against Federer? If he's such a choker, how come he managed to win all those? The stats hardly back up your statement, do they?

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 09:07 AM
You're being unfair. He came out playing aggressively in the final set and quickly went up a break. He himself said afterwards that he came out determined to fight the last set down to the wire if need be. Djokovic only started cramping towards the end of that final set when he was already under all kinds of pressure from Murray's aggressive serves and returns. So let's give Murray credit where it's due. I'm surprised you didn't throw in the wind factor for good measure.



So how come he won not only his first Slam but the Olympic gold medal this year and how come he's won 8 other Masters titles including 3 of them against Djokovic in the final and 2 against Federer? If he's such a choker, how come he managed to win all those? The stats hardly back up your statement, do they?

Murray hasn't beaten Fed at a slam yet still. Fed is also getting old. Yes I could throw in the wind factor of course.. (Would Murray have even beaten Berdych at Flushing without the wind? I don't know. Its possible he would have lost)

The finals vs. Djoker was a rare occurrence in what Murray did under pressure. But needless to say, he also blew a 2 set lead dont forget and Djoker got cramps at the end.

Then also, the fact that Nadal isn't around.. One other guy who destroys Murray at slams.

Sim
10-14-2012, 09:07 AM
You're darn tootin'! :)

Funny thing is, I celebrated the OG win more:confused: - USO was more of a numbing feeling. I still have moments when I wonder if it actually happened. Was pretty disappointing to see him miss 5 MP today, then I remembered the USO, smiled, and was happy for Novak.

I feel the same way. I like watching Nadal the most, but I was pumped when Andy won the OG against Federer. USO...not so much, and I watched both matches too.

TMF
10-14-2012, 09:11 AM
I would add to the disappointment list the excruciating loss to Djoko in AO (after leading by a break in the 5th ), the Miami withdrawal and the IW debacle. To me, everything off clay was a fiasco this season (AO less so because he reached the final ) but everything on clay was perfect, which is a significant progress over 2011. The injuries are just majorly frustrating.

You expect too much and that's why you're disappointed. High maintenance girls want perfection, that's why they are never happy.

If Nole fans are perfectionist, they would be disappointed because he lost to Nadal at the FO. LOL

Don't be so demanding.

underground
10-14-2012, 09:25 AM
If you are talking about success month-wise it would be:

January: Djokovic
February: Federer
March: Federer-Djokovic
April: Nadal
May: Federer-Nadal
June: Nadal
July: Federer
August: Murray-Djokovic-Federr
September: Murray
October: Djokovic
November: Probably Federer

Overall as a Fed fan I'm definitely happy with the season, especially when you had that crappy 2011 (bar the indoor season).

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 09:27 AM
I know it's led to withdrawal after withdrawal of the top tournaments and false hope coming from his camp, especially Toni, after he said he'll play the DC semi, WTF and DC final I was like please stop, think about what your saying before you release such info to the press

Exactly. After the W loss, they made it sound like Rafa would still participate in the Olympics, then he withdrew and they claimed he would be ready for Cincy but of course he didn't come back for Cincy, yet still left hope for USO. Once USO didn't happen either, they started promising DC but hey surprise, surprise: no DC. After that it was, maybe end of the year and then maybe January. How do I know if in January, they won't come up with "oops maybe February"? That cat and mouse game is getting on my nerves big time. I would really have appreciated it if they had made ONE announcement, just one, saying: "due to the nature of the injury, we have no idea when Rafa can return. We'll let you know when he resumes practising" That's it, basta, finito, no need for anything else. Right now, they keep saying Rafa will start practising in 10 days or 15 days and they change their version every week and I am just totally exasperated with the situation + I don't believe a word they say anymore. So maddening, don't like the way they're handling this 1 bit.

beast of mallorca
10-14-2012, 09:28 AM
I am deeply disappointed with Nadal's season. I fully expected him to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam of 2012 and 2013 !!!!
Well, I have to be contented with one then ! Congrats next year Rafa, for winning the 2013 Calendar Year Grand Slam :twisted:

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 09:39 AM
You expect too much and that's why you're disappointed. High maintenance girls want perfection, that's why they are never happy.

If Nole fans are perfectionist, they would be disappointed because he lost to Nadal at the FO. LOL

Don't be so demanding.
Nole didn't just lose to Rafa at RG, he lost to him at Monte-Carlo and Rome as well. Still, he can have the satisfaction of having made 3 big clay finals. Unfortunately, Rafa doesn't have that kind of satisfaction to fall back on this year on hard and grass. Only 1 final off clay, that's a terrible result by his standards and no I'm not a perfectionist, I was among the few ones who praised Rafa's 2011 for his consistency and high # of finals reached throughout but 2012 was all clay. Perfectionist or not, the rest was the worst it's ever been for him bar the AO final. Hopefully 2013 will be better.

PeteD
10-14-2012, 10:04 AM
I'm very happy with the one and only idol, Fed. People are actually praying to him in some places, although in the scene below, the sculptor screwed up and made him look more like Youzhny:

http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/golden-idol1.jpg?w=295

Steve0904
10-14-2012, 10:14 AM
What is it with Murray failing to win matches he should have won this season? :(


I feel your pain. Fed's 2010 was just like that.

Towser83
10-14-2012, 10:21 AM
It's still a flop when you think about how he was leading the points race up until his injury. He maybe could have finished the year at #1 if not for being injury prone.

I thought he was playing awful, stinking up the joint, mugging it up and had no chance to get beyond the second week of slams, no chance of winning titles etc? But you reckon he could have number one? See this is what you really think. you were hoping Nadal would be the number one and all that "Nadal will never win a title" stuff was crap. Lol if i had said "Nadal is leading the race, if he stays injury free he could be year end number one!" you would have laughed your butt off... or pretended to.

Dunno how you imagine Nadal would have kept the lead through Harcourt season mugging it up like he has been anyway..

Towser83
10-14-2012, 10:23 AM
Well between federer and djokovic you have 2 slams and so far 6 out of 8 masters. so yes very happy. would have preferred fed or djokovic to win the us open or djokovic winning the French but still looking like they will have had the best season, just edging out Murray and Nadal.

R.Federer
10-14-2012, 10:32 AM
im ecstastic federer proving the doubters wrong, murray finally winning a slam which should let him play more freely now and i have seen this and joker winning a slam and being so consistant its been a great year the top 3 are my favs so happy all round

Mainad
10-14-2012, 11:29 AM
Murray hasn't beaten Fed at a slam yet still. Fed is also getting old. Yes I could throw in the wind factor of course.. (Would Murray have even beaten Berdych at Flushing without the wind? I don't know. Its possible he would have lost)

It's also quite possible he would have beaten Berdych in straight sets but for the wind. After all, he had just converted a break point in the 1st set when the wind blew his cap off, they re-played the point and Murray then lost it and subsequently the set. I never cease to be amused at this quaint notion that the wind only managed to affect Berdych's game! :)


The finals vs. Djoker was a rare occurrence in what Murray did under pressure. But needless to say, he also blew a 2 set lead dont forget and Djoker got cramps at the end.

But he didn't blow the final set, which was the most important one, did he?
And as I've just pointed out, Djokovic didn't start cramping until the final couple of games when he was already a break down and under all kinds of pressure from Murray's serves and returns.


Then also, the fact that Nadal isn't around.. One other guy who destroys Murray at slams.

But Nadal wasn't around and his absence impacted on all the players, especially the top ones, not just Murray and don't forget that the USO is one of the Slams where Murray has beaten Nadal. They are 1-1 there. You can only ever play who is in front of you and that's true for everybody else.

JadeC
10-14-2012, 02:03 PM
Disappointed with Novak's FO lost and pretty much his whole clay season. Despite being in 3 clay court finals, he wasn't impressive. Not medaling at the Olympics was rough and not defending the USO was indeed a sad loss. After the USO, I just wanted him to end the year at #1, which is looking pretty good at the moment. If he does get the year-end #1, then I'm satisfied with his season, not exactly happy.

Tony48
10-14-2012, 02:12 PM
If Djoker finishes No. 1 then I'll be extremely happy; he will have repeated his YE rank from last year. The last time someone was the YE No. 1 for two straight years was back in 2007 when Federer was completing four straight years as the YE No. 1.

Not all No. 1s have accomplished this.

Agassifan
10-14-2012, 02:38 PM
Of course Fed and Murray fans have to be over the moon happy. Rafa and Nole fans, not so much.

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 03:19 PM
Nole didn't really have a bad season though outside of the clay season.. But thats to be expected.. He isn't all that great on clay

Clarky21
10-14-2012, 03:22 PM
Nole didn't really have a bad season though outside of the clay season.. But thats to be expected.. He isn't all that great on clay



What about on grass?

Biscuitmcgriddleson
10-14-2012, 03:25 PM
All that Federer did was unexpected and I am quite content with his results. He has exceeded my expectations.

SempreSami
10-14-2012, 03:32 PM
None of them are my idol, that's Haile Gebrselassie.

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 03:35 PM
Nole didn't really have a bad season though outside of the clay season.. But thats to be expected.. He isn't all that great on clay
I think he's great on clay. It's just a colossal effort to beat Nadal on that surface. But Djoko has now won 3 clay masters overall and had another season of reaching 3 clay finals and it's pretty much better than anyone else not called Nadal these days.

Clarky21
10-14-2012, 03:39 PM
I think he's great on clay. It's just a colossal effort to beat Nadal on that surface. But Djoko has now won 3 clay masters overall and had another season of reaching 3 clay finals and it's pretty much better than anyone else not called Nadal these days.


Sure,I guess that's why Count ******* beat him easily on clay twice last year in back to back finals.

sonicare
10-14-2012, 03:41 PM
Couldn't have put it better mate. This is the first time since 2007 that he's failed to win an MS (I'm assuming he doesn't play Paris) - but I wouldn't swap his 1 slam win for all 9 MS and the WTF. Been by far Murray's best season.

Wait a second..on all these other threads before murray won his slam, you said that murray has had a better career than del potro...

Now you say that you wouldn't swap his major for all 9 masters.

This leads me to the conclusion that you have been a troll all along. or a hypocrite

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 04:19 PM
Sure,I guess that's why Count ******* beat him easily on clay twice last year in back to back finals.
ha ha but Fed also beat Rafa at Hamburg and Madrid. It can happen from time to time but impossible to achieve on a regular basis and out of the question in a best of 5 unless Rafa's knees are completely shot. If Djoko thought he had solved Rafa on clay once and for all in 2011, he sure was in for a big surprise in the aftermath...

cc0509
10-14-2012, 06:51 PM
ha ha but Fed also beat Rafa at Hamburg and Madrid. It can happen from time to time but impossible to achieve on a regular basis and out of the question in a best of 5 unless Rafa's knees are completely shot. If Djoko thought he had solved Rafa on clay once and for all in 2011, he sure was in for a big surprise in the aftermath...

But the question is has Nadal solved Djokovic once again on HC and can Nadal still beat Djokovic at W? That remains to be seen.

90's Clay
10-14-2012, 07:01 PM
Just for Nole to reach the semis of wimbledon is a great result for him. Last year he went far and above the norm. Is that considered a "bad result" for Djokovic? Did anyone really expect him to successfully defend his wimbledon title?

Nole is at his best on hard courts. PERIOD.. Last year, I think Nadal was in a mental funk from the onset vs. Nole and it carried over into all surfaces.

But as Nadal showed, when hes on his game, no way Nole can hang with him on clay. Really Nole shouldn't even have beaten him in Australia this year.

But Nole a had a great year overall. To expect him demolish and destroy ala 2011 is not realistic.

Nole's norm is having the most success on hard courts.. And some solid success on clay and grass. But I wouldn't consider him a great player on neither of those surfaces.. So a good semis or finals appearance at either slam for Nole at either is a dang good result IMO

Nole did very well in the hard court tournaments this year.. Just won Shanghai and is contention to end the year at number 1. It was a great year for Nole considering hes beamed back down to earth

NadalAgassi
10-14-2012, 07:03 PM
Of the 3 players of those I like:

Nadal- Yes I am happy. He regained his clay dominance, ended his dominance at the hands of Djokovic from last year, got the record and title of undisputed clay court GOAT, and he gets to rest injuries built up over many years now which could be a blessing in disguise. He also came very close to winning a hard court slam again, showing he still has it in him if healthy and fit.

Djokovic- Yes I am happy. Wil end the year #1 again, had the best year in slams and Masters of anyone, and on hard courts is overall still hands down the best and one to beat.


Murray- Yes I am happy. Won his biggest title yet at the Olympics then broke the slam duck at the U.S Open. Made 2 slam finals in same year for first time ever.

In Federer's case I cant imagine any of his fans not being happy either. This is the kind of the year that was a huge success for everyone since only the most deluded Djokovic fanboys really thought he would duplicate or surpass his 2011 year in every single sense.

NadalAgassi
10-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Just for Nole to reach the semis of wimbledon is a great result for him. Last year he went far and above the norm. Is that considered a "bad result" for Djokovic? Did anyone really expect him to successfully defend his wimbledon title?

Nole is at his best on hard courts. PERIOD.. Last year, I think Nadal was in a mental funk from the onset vs. Nole and it carried over into all surfaces.

But as Nadal showed, when hes on his game, no way Nole can hang with him on clay. Really Nole shouldn't even have beaten him in Australia this year.

But Nole a had a great year overall. To expect him demolish and destroy ala 2011 is not realistic.

Nole's norm is having the most success on hard courts.. And some solid success on clay and grass. But I wouldn't consider him a great player on neither of those surfaces.. So a good semis or finals appearance at either slam for Nole at either is a dang good result IMO


Winning 1 Wimbledon is a great result for Djokovic, even if he never wins another. He isnt that good a grass court player. Murray and Roddick are better ones and never won Wimbledon (atleast not yet in Murray's case). Djokovic is a better clay courter than grass courter and hasnt won the French yet. I agree it is stupid to consider semis of Wimbledon a bad result for him, and only an idiot or hater would do so.

BauerAlmeida
10-14-2012, 07:09 PM
I'm happy with Djoker's season. I expected him to finish 1 again, but of course not as dominant as last year. And that's what happen.

Though I think he could've won one more slam. He had a chance at RG, if it wasn't for the rain he would've won the 4th and who knows what would've happened in the 5th. I think that final was 50/50.

But his best chance for a second slams was at the USO. He was dead in that 5th set. It's impossible to play 9 sets in 2 days. Not to mention he had chances to win the 1st set too.

Besides that he was the best players at Slams, M1000 and probably will end as N1.

cc0509
10-14-2012, 07:10 PM
Of the 3 players of those I like:

Nadal- Yes I am happy. He regained his clay dominance, ended his dominance at the hands of Djokovic from last year, got the record and title of undisputed clay court GOAT, and he gets to rest injuries built up over many years now which could be a blessing in disguise. He also came very close to winning a hard court slam again, showing he still has it in him if healthy and fit.



Only on clay. We don't know yet whether Nadal will be able to beat Djokovic on non-clay surfaces. If Djokovic does well at the last few events of the year, he may regain his 2011 confidence and be very tough for Nadal to beat off clay.

Evan77
10-14-2012, 07:11 PM
what idols. I'm much better looking and sexier than Djok/grand pa Fed/AM and Rafa combined. please show some respect

veroniquem
10-14-2012, 07:28 PM
Only on clay. We don't know yet whether Nadal will be able to beat Djokovic on non-clay surfaces. .
My goals for Rafa in 2013 are:
1- play some pro tennis (given the circumstances, I have to start with the basics :oops:)
2- beat Djokovic off clay
3- win at least one title off clay

If he manages those 3 things, I will be totally elated and will consider the season a huge success. I will be happy too if he does well on clay but he already has all the records there. He has to re-establish himself as a threat on other surfaces now. I see that as the most pressing priority.

Nathaniel_Near
10-14-2012, 07:52 PM
Meh. Neither here nor there.

cc0509
10-14-2012, 07:58 PM
veroniquem;6955987]My goals for Rafa in 2013 are:
1- play some pro tennis (given the circumstances, I have to start with the basics :oops:)

LOL!

2- beat Djokovic off clay
3- win at least one title off clay
If he manages those 3 things, I will be totally elated and will consider the season a huge success. I will be happy too if he does well on clay but he already has all the records there. He has to re-establish himself as a threat on other surfaces now. I see that as the most pressing priority.


I agree with you here. Nadal has established himself as the clay GOAT, now he needs to try and win a few more slams off clay if he can. It is going to be more difficult for him now however with Djokovic and Murray in their primes and with both being so good on HC's.

librarysteg
10-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Djokovic last year was of course an A+ year. I give him an A/A- for this year (final grade still to be determined). I'm happy with that.

ruerooo
10-14-2012, 08:31 PM
Well, they're not my idols, but I think they should each be happy since they all got a Slam apiece plus something - Rafa his historic #7 ahead of Borg, Roger his #7 Wimbledon and his 300 weeks at #1, Andy that UK no-Slam monkey off his back with the USO and Nole ... didn't crumble after that superhuman 2011.

Sentinel
10-14-2012, 08:36 PM
I am pretty gutted with Rafa's season (or lack thereof). I guess I'll quit watching tennis if he retires.

Zarfot Z
10-14-2012, 11:26 PM
Definitely content with Federer's season. 3 Masters, Wimbledon, 300 weeks at no.1 and a handful of 500 tournaments aren't bad for a 30 year old in decline, no?

zagor
10-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Definitely content with Federer's season. 3 Masters, Wimbledon, 300 weeks at no.1 and a handful of 500 tournaments aren't bad for a 30 year old in decline, no?

But Fed is not your idol, no? Quite the contrary, you have a pathological hatred for the man.

It's about your idol's performances this year, so LOLville, while it's obvious you hate Fed more than you love Nadal (if that makes sense) I'd say he's still your idol, you must be happy with Nadal winning 7th FO, no? He wasn't able to prevent a terrible disaster happening at Wimbledon but things don't always go the way you want them to.


Also regarding using # of non-slam titles in a year as an indication of form, we'd have to agree that 2005 was the best year of Nadal's career, no? He even achieved career highest winning % in that year.

zagor
10-14-2012, 11:53 PM
I am pretty gutted with Rafa's season (or lack thereof). I guess I'll quit watching tennis if he retires.

Yes, I still have vivid nightmares about that match with Rosol, don't know if my fragile psyche will ever recover.

However, that doesn't change the fact that I'm ecstatic our humble hero Rafa managed to win his 7th FO despite being in massive decline (ever since 2011).

Zarfot Z
10-15-2012, 12:04 AM
But Fed is not your idol, no? Quite the contrary, you have a pathological hatred for the man.

It's about your idol's performances this year, so LOLville, while it's obvious you hate Fed more than you love Nadal (if that makes sense) I'd say he's still your idol, you must be happy with Nadal winning 7th FO, no? He wasn't able to prevent a terrible disaster happening at Wimbledon but things don't always go the way you want them to.


Also regarding using # of non-slam titles in a year as an indication of form, we'd have to agree that 2005 was the best year of Nadal's career, no? He even achieved career highest winning % in that year.

I am a Federer fan, I just don't show it. Unlike many here, I am also not a hardcore Federer fan, so my fanboy-ish nature may appear less obvious.

While there are definitely aspects of the man I dislike, the positives qualities definitely outnumber the negatives. So there.

zagor
10-15-2012, 12:26 AM
I am a Federer fan...

Bwahahah! That's a good one, sonny.

I just don't show it.

Of course, it's nigh impossible to display/show something that isn't there in the slightest.

Unlike many here, I am also not a hardcore Federer fan...

I wouldn't dream of accusing you of being a hardcore Fed fan, hardcore Fed hater on the other hand? Definitely, if anyone fits that description it's you LOLville.


so my fanboy-ish nature may appear less obvious.

Don't worry JV, your real nature is quite obvious to some of us :)

While there are definitely aspects of the man I dislike, the positives qualities definitely outnumber the negatives. So there.

LMAO! This should be fun, pray tell, which are the positive qualities Fed possesses? Try not to throw up while you're writing them JV.

sbengte
10-15-2012, 02:07 AM
I am pretty gutted with Rafa's season (or lack thereof). I guess I'll quit watching tennis if he retires.

Gutted ? Only disgraceful Rafa fans like you will feel gutted. The rest of us are already celebrating Rafa's CYGS when he comes back and tears through the ATP in 2013 as a much better version of himself than in 2008 and 2010 combined. If you don't trust me, ask ***.

syc23
10-15-2012, 02:27 AM
Pretty satisfied with Murray's season so far, there's been a few disappointments for sure (Wimby final, MS1000 defeats to Djokovic and AO SF), but the Olympics and USO more than makes up for it.

The icing on the cake would be if Andy can accrue more points in Paris and possibly win WTF.

Getting the slamless monkey off his back was the main objective in 2012 so it's been a successful year.

namelessone
10-15-2012, 04:35 AM
The season for Rafa?

Pretty bad overall because of his injuries, don't even know if I can call it a season with him gone for what will probably be six months.

Outside of the shock loss in WB(which may have been affected or not by his physical problems that returned in spring), the first half was pretty good, final that he narrowly lost in AO, had a weak American hc run and managed to get Djoko off his back in the clay season by beating him 3 times there.

But again, since Nadal missed half of the season because of injury I can't see how it can be good if we look at the overall picture. In 2009, at least he was on the court and trying after the injury(sorry, silent ban) that kept him out of WB. It wasn't pretty seeing him lose left and right but at least we got to see some Rafa tennis.

Hitman
10-15-2012, 05:18 AM
This season you can truly say belonged to the big four. All four players dominated this year and played some great tennis. They all won slams, and pretty much shut out every other player.

Basically, if you are not a part of the big four, you are not winning any of the big prizes.

AO - Novak
IW - Roger
Miami - Novak
MC - Rafa
Madrid - Roger
Rome - Rafa
RG - Rafa
W - Roger
OG - Andy
Canada - Novak
Cincy - Roger
USO - Andy
Shanghai - Novak

Vamos Rafa
10-15-2012, 09:54 AM
I was pretty happy with the half season Rafa played, but as dominant as he was during the clay season, I am still desperately disappointed he didn't win that AO final against Djokovic and that alone would have made my year. I think that backhand in the fifth set will haunt me forever...

Obviously the grass season was a pile of dung though, and spending the second half of the season worrying if Rafa will ever be the same when (or if) he comes back from injury isn't much fun :(

It's fair to say the season could have been better for Rafa, but I shouldn't complain at a seventh FO title while denying Djokovic a piece of history in the process.

RF20Lennon
10-15-2012, 10:29 AM
This season you can truly say belonged to the big four. All four players dominated this year and played some great tennis. They all won slams, and pretty much shut out every other player.

Basically, if you are not a part of the big four, you are not winning any of the big prizes.

AO - Novak
IW - Roger
Miami - Novak
MC - Rafa
Madrid - Roger
Rome - Rafa
RG - Rafa
W - Roger
OG - Andy
Canada - Novak
Cincy - Roger
USO - Andy
Shanghai - Novak

WOW!! Total Domination!!!!

Clarky21
10-15-2012, 11:53 AM
This season you can truly say belonged to the big four. All four players dominated this year and played some great tennis. They all won slams, and pretty much shut out every other player.

Basically, if you are not a part of the big four, you are not winning any of the big prizes.

AO - Novak
IW - Roger
Miami - Novak
MC - Rafa
Madrid - Roger
Rome - Rafa
RG - Rafa
W - Roger
OG - Andy
Canada - Novak
Cincy - Roger
USO - Andy
Shanghai - Novak



There is no "big four". Stop with the bs.

NadalAgassi
10-15-2012, 05:18 PM
Only on clay. We don't know yet whether Nadal will be able to beat Djokovic on non-clay surfaces. If Djokovic does well at the last few events of the year, he may regain his 2011 confidence and be very tough for Nadal to beat off clay.

Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway. Only in his most superhuman form (2011) can he hope to win on that surface. If Nadal cant even beat Djokovic on grass in the future he would have no hope of winning Wimbledon anyway even without him. As for hard courts Nadal will never find those easy to win in the first place, Djokovic is just an additional big obstacle there of numerous already present. They played only one match off clay this year and Nadal very nearly won on Djokovic's favorite surface, by favorite I mean specific type of hard court even, and he hardly played an unbelievable match to do so. In the event Nadal is fit and at the top level I am quite confident he has a fighting chance vs Djokovic on any surface (and a great one on grass where Djokovic isnt as good as Federer or Nadal or maybe even Murray anyway, but Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway) and if he isnt fit or at the top level he wont have a hope of winning slams off clay anyway. Either way I dont see a 2011 repeat of only Djokovic stopping Nadal everywhere. In the event Nadal isnt playing at the level to win slams or win slams off clay, there will be alot more to it than just Djokovic.

cc0509
10-15-2012, 07:29 PM
Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway. Only in his most superhuman form (2011) can he hope to win on that surface. If Nadal cant even beat Djokovic on grass in the future he would have no hope of winning Wimbledon anyway even without him. As for hard courts Nadal will never find those easy to win in the first place, Djokovic is just an additional big obstacle there of numerous already present. They played only one match off clay this year and Nadal very nearly won on Djokovic's favorite surface, by favorite I mean specific type of hard court even, and he hardly played an unbelievable match to do so. In the event Nadal is fit and at the top level I am quite confident he has a fighting chance vs Djokovic on any surface (and a great one on grass where Djokovic isnt as good as Federer or Nadal or maybe even Murray anyway, but Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway) and if he isnt fit or at the top level he wont have a hope of winning slams off clay anyway. Either way I dont see a 2011 repeat of only Djokovic stopping Nadal everywhere. In the event Nadal isnt playing at the level to win slams or win slams off clay, there will be alot more to it than just Djokovic.

You are making it way too complicated. The bottom line is Nadal has not shown that he can now defeat Djokovic on HC and grass since their last meetings at Wimbledon and the USO. Also, Djokovic has improved a lot on grass and since he is in his absolute prime, I think it would be safe to assume he may win another Wimbledon. None of us know what is going to happen in future matches between Nadal/Djokovic so until then the fact is that Nadal has not turned around their meetings any place but on clay. Do I think Nadal can beat Djokovic off clay in a slam again? Yes probably, but we will have to wait and see.

Feather
10-16-2012, 01:43 AM
I've been content with Federer for years. He didn't have to win a 17th Slam tournament as far as I am concerned. I like the fact that he can hang with the younger players but obviously he comes in for unfair abuse/comparisons when the same players defeat him. In this context I think his retirement would be a relief for me.

Why bother about some random trolls in internet? I dont bother much about his losses as I know that happen to every player. I don't think the top players would be in top four when they are 31 let alone number one.

I think we can just enjoy his game. In ever match he plays, there would be at least one shot that has a stamp of Roger Federer in it. I need just that and there is nothing more beautiful in life than watching the meastro with the racquet. I want that to last for at least two years..

robbo1970
10-16-2012, 02:07 AM
If recent competitions and form is to go by, I can envisage a regular rivalry between Djokovic and Murray in the more important non-majors and the slams.

Unfortunately with Nadal's injury its difficult to see him getting back to tournament winning form too soon and all the time Federer refuses to take the advice on this forum and move to a 95 head, he does seem to getting picked off by both Murray and Djokovic recently.

The position I find myself in is that being a fellow Brit, to have a player that has the potential to win major tournaments after so many of nearly men, is very refreshing and exciting. But its very difficult supporting Murray when he is now primarily competing with Djokovic who is one of the nicest guys in sport, let alone tennis.

So to answer the question in the thread, I'm very pleased, but I just have this dilemma now when it comes down to who I want to win a final.

Hitman
10-16-2012, 02:09 AM
You are making it way too complicated. The bottom line is Nadal has not shown that he can now defeat Djokovic on HC and grass since their last meetings at Wimbledon and the USO. Also, Djokovic has improved a lot on grass and since he is in his absolute prime, I think it would be safe to assume he may win another Wimbledon. None of us know what is going to happen in future matches between Nadal/Djokovic so until then the fact is that Nadal has not turned around their meetings any place but on clay. Do I think Nadal can beat Djokovic off clay in a slam again? Yes probably, but we will have to wait and see.

Completely agree. Nadal reclaimed the advantage in the clay court domain, but that does not mean he has completely turned the tide. Yes, Nadal nearly beat Djokovic at AO, but I find it funny that the epic five hour battle with Murray is overlooked, in which he also had a day less to rest. And then he outlasted Nadal in six hours.

As far as grass in concerned, Djokovic lost to an inspired Federer and Murray, who played some of their absolute best tennis of the season to beat him. And Djokovic is far more comfortable playing Nadal than the other members of the big four.

We will see what happens, and if Nadal completely overturns the rivalry then kudos to him. But only having done it on clay, while Novak beat him across all three surfaces does not mean he has reversed the advantage.

It's like saying if Federer played Nadal in Basel, Paris Indoors and WTF, and beats him in his most favorable conditions, which would be very likely considering their indoor H2H, that he has the advantage in the H2H, when we know that is simply not true.

Hitman
10-16-2012, 02:29 AM
WOW!! Total Domination!!!!

Lets go back further to illustrate the point even more.


MC 10 - Rafa
Rome 10 - Rafa
Madrid 10 - Rafa
RG 10 - Rafa
W 10 - Rafa
Canada 10 - Andy
Cincy 10 - Roger
USO 10 - Rafa
Shanghai 10 - Andy
Paris 10 - SODERLING
WTF 10 - Roger
Davis Cup 10 - Novak lead team
AO 11 - Novak
IW 11 - Novak
Miami 11 - Novak
MC 11 - Rafa
Madrid 11 - Novak
Rome 11 - Novak
RG 11 - Rafa
W 11 - Novak
Canada 11 - Novak
Cincy 11 - Andy
USO 11 - Novak
Shanghai 11 - Andy
Paris 11 - Roger
WTF 11 - Roger
Davis Cup 11 - Nadal lead team
AO 12 - Novak
IW 12 - Roger
Miami 12 - Novak
MC 12 - Rafa
Madrid 12 - Roger
Rome 12 - Rafa
RG 12 - Rafa
W 12 - Roger
OG 12 - Andy
Canada 12 - Novak
Cincy 12 - Roger
USO 12 - Andy
Shanghai 12 - Novak


ONLY Soderling has managed to take anything away from these four since Monte Carlo 2010. It just shows that these four are the BIG FOUR for a reason.

TheFifthSet
10-16-2012, 03:08 AM
There is no "big four". Stop with the bs.

Pretty disrespectful, given the cogent argument the poster you were responding to was making. How is there no big four? They all won majors this year. They won all the big events. It's been their year.

tennisplayer1993
10-16-2012, 06:07 AM
I'm a huge roddick fan and I've been depressed ever since he retired at the us open

Clarky21
10-16-2012, 06:30 AM
Pretty disrespectful, given the cogent argument the poster you were responding to was making. How is there no big four? They all won majors this year. They won all the big events. It's been their year.



Preaching about disrespect on this forum is hilarious. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful anyway,so please spare me the indignation.

And again,there is no big four. There is only a big 3.

beast of mallorca
10-16-2012, 06:34 AM
Preaching about disrespect on this forum is hilarious. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful anyway,so please spare me the indignation.

And again,there is no big four. There is only a big 3.

Your stupidity is hilarious. Keep on posting so I and everybody else on TW, can have a laugh :twisted:

RF20Lennon
10-16-2012, 06:41 AM
Lets go back further to illustrate the point even more.


MC 10 - Rafa
Rome 10 - Rafa
Madrid 10 - Rafa
RG 10 - Rafa
W 10 - Rafa
Canada 10 - Andy
Cincy 10 - Roger
USO 10 - Rafa
Shanghai 10 - Andy
Paris 10 - SODERLING
WTF 10 - Roger
Davis Cup 10 - Novak lead team
AO 11 - Novak
IW 11 - Novak
Miami 11 - Novak
MC 11 - Rafa
Madrid 11 - Novak
Rome 11 - Novak
RG 11 - Rafa
W 11 - Novak
Canada 11 - Novak
Cincy 11 - Andy
USO 11 - Novak
Shanghai 11 - Andy
Paris 11 - Roger
WTF 11 - Roger
Davis Cup 11 - Nadal lead team
AO 12 - Novak
IW 12 - Roger
Miami 12 - Novak
MC 12 - Rafa
Madrid 12 - Roger
Rome 12 - Rafa
RG 12 - Rafa
W 12 - Roger
OG 12 - Andy
Canada 12 - Novak
Cincy 12 - Roger
USO 12 - Andy
Shanghai 12 - Novak


ONLY Soderling has managed to take anything away from these four since Monte Carlo 2010. It just shows that these four are the BIG FOUR for a reason.

You have got to be kidding me!!!!!! And plus fed had MP 5 oft gem in the monfils match in 2010 if he won thatwhoknows? But these guys are just so far ahead!!

cknobman
10-16-2012, 06:44 AM
Federer has surpassed my expectations for this season.

With a relatively lackluster 2011, his age being 30+, and two twin girls to take care of I feel he is at the point in his career/life where everything is really bonus now.

Magnus
10-16-2012, 08:13 AM
None of them is my idol. The player I like most is Federer, though, and I'm very happy with his season. He had some big losses, which is understandable at this point of his career, and he also had huge victories.

Murray, imo, has grown into a scarly player (in a positive way). His ability to reach for every shot and hit them so well is amazing, and to me, he is the best player currently on the tour, despite his loss to Novak. He also won a gold medal and his first slam, so now that this burden is off his shoulders, except him to become even more dangerous.

Novak has been terrific, just not quite as dangerous as in 2011. He beat the big players, but also lost to them. Still, its tough to really top a year like 2011 (Fed's 2006 and that's basically it).

Nadal has been the worst out of the top 4. He did well to give Djokovic a good run in AO 2012, and did his usual clay thing. But other than that, Nadal has not been doing all that well. He lost to Federer (taking a toilet break on MP, ffs), lost to a player nobody even knew at Wimbledon, and then "suddenly" got injured.

Overall predictions for 2013: Federer will be done, he had a good run in 2012 (best run he could have at this point), but I can't see him staying that competitive for much longer. His game just looked broken in Shanghai against Murray, and while Murray was unbeatable at this match, Fed was rolling in serve, hitting extremely weak and incosistent strokes, and just not being the super sharp, focused Fed from the old days.

Nadal will be back but I don't think he'll dominate anything but clay, which he will still have good runs on. On HC he will need to be really lucky to dethrone Nole/Murray.

Murray and Nole are the future of tennis, and that future was predicted years ago, just came a little late due to Murray not winning slams and Nole staying a distant 3rd to Fed and Nadal until 2011. I think they will meet each other many more times and make for a nice rivalry.

I hope that 2013 gives younger players a chance to shine - Dimitrov (though I doubt it), Ranoic (probably), Young (highly unlikely).

Clarky21
10-16-2012, 09:33 AM
Your stupidity is hilarious. Keep on posting so I and everybody else on TW, can have a laugh :twisted:



Ok then when is the last time Nadal won anything? When is the last time he even played a match? You cannot count him in the big 4 unless he actually does something. Whether you like it or not there is no big 4,only a big 3.

Clarky21
10-16-2012, 09:35 AM
None of them is my idol. The player I like most is Federer, though, and I'm very happy with his season. He had some big losses, which is understandable at this point of his career, and he also had huge victories.

Murray, imo, has grown into a scarly player (in a positive way). His ability to reach for every shot and hit them so well is amazing, and to me, he is the best player currently on the tour, despite his loss to Novak. He also won a gold medal and his first slam, so now that this burden is off his shoulders, except him to become even more dangerous.

Novak has been terrific, just not quite as dangerous as in 2011. He beat the big players, but also lost to them. Still, its tough to really top a year like 2011 (Fed's 2006 and that's basically it).

Nadal has been the worst out of the top 4. He did well to give Djokovic a good run in AO 2012, and did his usual clay thing. But other than that, Nadal has not been doing all that well. He lost to Federer (taking a toilet break on MP, ffs), lost to a player nobody even knew at Wimbledon, and then "suddenly" got injured.

Overall predictions for 2013: Federer will be done, he had a good run in 2012 (best run he could have at this point), but I can't see him staying that competitive for much longer. His game just looked broken in Shanghai against Murray, and while Murray was unbeatable at this match, Fed was rolling in serve, hitting extremely weak and incosistent strokes, and just not being the super sharp, focused Fed from the old days.

Nadal will be back but I don't think he'll dominate anything but clay, which he will still have good runs on. On HC he will need to be really lucky to dethrone Nole/Murray.

Murray and Nole are the future of tennis, and that future was predicted years ago, just came a little late due to Murray not winning slams and Nole staying a distant 3rd to Fed and Nadal until 2011. I think they will meet each other many more times and make for a nice rivalry.

I hope that 2013 gives younger players a chance to shine - Dimitrov (though I doubt it), Ranoic (probably), Young (highly unlikely).



If that's the case then drop a nuke on tennis because that will be more bearable than watching that Pong-esque match-up.

6-1 6-3 6-0
10-16-2012, 09:37 AM
Can't wait for 2013. More Nadal-Djokovic. A mouth-watering prospect and a breath of fresh air from all the other encounters.

ruerooo
10-16-2012, 10:08 AM
I'm a huge roddick fan and I've been depressed ever since he retired at the us open


It is hard, no?

But he'll be playing an exho in Toronto in November with, I think, Milos -- and his foundation raised a cool mil right after the US Open, and I'm sure both ESPN and TC will be after him to commentate.

I mean, Johnny Mac is everywhere, 20 years after his retirement -- he's so ubiquitous sometimes I get tired of him (though not really). A-Rod will continue to be a presence in tennis.

*Sparkle*
10-16-2012, 10:29 AM
I don't see how Nadal's fans can be happy with his season. He obviously played well enough in the early part of the season to still be top 4 in the year to date rankings, but having your favourite injured, with uncertainty as to how well he'll do on return, has to be a blow.

Federer fans should be pleased with his season as a whole. In many respects, he's had a remarkable year, and extended records, and I don't think they could ask for more. But if they are realistic, there will be a sadness that as he achieved his amazing 300th week being number 1 in the rolling year rankings, his current form isn't great. His early(ish) exit at the US Open could have been a blip, but Shanghai proved his current level cannot match that of Djokovic and Murray. It's another sign that his time at the top is coming to an end, which has to be at least a little bit sad for fans. If he perks up during the indoor season, it'll brighten things up, but right now, his season has a bitter-sweet feel to it.

Djokovic has had a great season. Fans who were expecting a repeat of last year may be disappointed, but he's been consistent throughout the year and is likely to be year end number one. The vast majority must be very happy. If he'd lost in Shanghai, they might be entitled to a few nerves that Murray had the upper hand, but now they are even for this year, it's a taster for some exciting battles ahead.

Overall, Murray's had a great year, achieving things he'd not achieved before. Pre-Wimbledon was disappointing, and worrying at the time, and the lack of a Masters win is disappointing, but looking at the year as a whole from this end, it's no biggie.

Towser83
10-16-2012, 10:39 AM
Ok then when is the last time Nadal won anything? When is the last time he even played a match? You cannot count him in the big 4 unless he actually does something. Whether you like it or not there is no big 4,only a big 3.

Technically you're right that at this moment its a big 3, but over the course of this year it has been a big 4.

If that's the case then drop a nuke on tennis because that will be more bearable than watching that Pong-esque match-up.

I kind of agree. part of the reason why i started liking djokovic in the first place was because he was the only player apart from federer who looked like he could be a consistently good player who played fairly attacking tennis. Not as much as federer but still way more than Nadal or Murray. sadly djokovic has become more of a grinder, almost as much as Nadal and Murray. though their matches can have amazing rallies its just too much of the same after a while. nothing like the beautiful tennis if federer. best match ups are fed vs djokovic or fed vs Nadal. when its Murray/djokovic/Nadal vs another the one dimensional nature becomes a bore. impressive but not something i would watch again.

Murray has gotten a bit more attacking now but the speed of courts mean its still a challenge to hit a winner past anyone.

TMF
10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
The season for Rafa?

Pretty bad overall because of his injuries, don't even know if I can call it a season with him gone for what will probably be six months.

Outside of the shock loss in WB(which may have been affected or not by his physical problems that returned in spring), the first half was pretty good, final that he narrowly lost in AO, had a weak American hc run and managed to get Djoko off his back in the clay season by beating him 3 times there.

But again, since Nadal missed half of the season because of injury I can't see how it can be good if we look at the overall picture. In 2009, at least he was on the court and trying after the injury(sorry, silent ban) that kept him out of WB. It wasn't pretty seeing him lose left and right but at least we got to see some Rafa tennis.

Any player who win a slam is not a bad season. Nadal won his 8th RG and set a new record. I say that's a great year. The injuries doesn't take away his achievement, as you're suggesting that nullify his RG win.

Roddick would LOVE to take a half of the year off if given that he gets to win a slam.

Nadal fans are too demanding.

Mustard
10-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Yes, I'm happy, although I would have liked to have seen Nadal play after Wimbledon. Nadal has still given that epic Australian Open (even though he lost the final in the end), and domination of the clay-court season in a much better performance than the 2011 clay-court season, where he won an 8th Monte Carlo, a 7th Barcelona, a 6th Rome and a 7th French Open title, as well as winning 3 straight matches against Djokovic.

beast of mallorca
10-16-2012, 11:01 AM
This season you can truly say belonged to the big four. All four players dominated this year and played some great tennis. They all won slams, and pretty much shut out every other player.

Basically, if you are not a part of the big four, you are not winning any of the big prizes.

AO - Novak
IW - Roger
Miami - Novak
MC - Rafa
Madrid - Roger
Rome - Rafa
RG - Rafa
W - Roger
OG - Andy
Canada - Novak
Cincy - Roger
USO - Andy
Shanghai - Novak

There is no "big four". Stop with the bs.

Pretty disrespectful, given the cogent argument the poster you were responding to was making. How is there no big four? They all won majors this year. They won all the big events. It's been their year.

Ok then when is the last time Nadal won anything? When is the last time he even played a match? You cannot count him in the big 4 unless he actually does something. Whether you like it or not there is no big 4,only a big 3.

Ok Clarky, I'll bite.
The premise that Hitman was alluding to was that the top 4 players have amassed all the Masters 1000, GS AND oLYMPICS this year (as well as the last couple of years basically). And he called them the big 4 because each one has taken a GS + a Masters or 2 etc.

He did not say big 4 for the past 4 months only. It is the big 4 because they each won a GS and Masters this year and the past as I said. So stop saying that Hitman's claims is a bs. You are the one making bs statements just because you don't like Nadal. At least TRY TO COMPREHEND WHAT is being said. :roll:

kOaMaster
10-16-2012, 10:50 PM
well, to summarize - everyone who is a fan of either one of those four players is more or less happy.

everyone else playing tennis is degraded to a background artist.

Jackuar
10-16-2012, 11:42 PM
I'm absolutely fine with Fed's year. I did want another GS (And I do want more - atleast 1 per year till Rio), but that coming in Wimbledon and also the No.1 was icing on the cake. I wouldn't mind if he fails to defend his last year season-end points but wouldn't give away the WTF - win it even if he loses a match in RR. Infact, lately (Past 2 years), I'm never bothered about his start to the season and till FO; I'm more concerned about his home stretch at the season end - it adds more meaning to his resume and time and again underlines his fitness and ability to last the distance - when others are almost limping home, Fed would romp home :)

Hitman
10-17-2012, 01:31 AM
Ok Clarky, I'll bite.
The premise that Hitman was alluding to was that the top 4 players have amassed all the Masters 1000, GS AND oLYMPICS this year (as well as the last couple of years basically). And he called them the big 4 because each one has taken a GS + a Masters or 2 etc.

He did not say big 4 for the past 4 months only. It is the big 4 because they each won a GS and Masters this year and the past as I said. So stop saying that Hitman's claims is a bs. You are the one making bs statements just because you don't like Nadal. At least TRY TO COMPREHEND WHAT is being said. :roll:

Thanks beast of mallorca. I just ignored her post completely, since it was not worth responding to.

We know that these four, Roger, Rafa, Novak and Andy are simply a cut above everyone else on the tour. This is a fact that has been proven over and over again in the big events for a very sustained period of time. I think it would be difficult to find a period where there has been such a stanglehold over the sport's big titles by an elite group of players like we are having today. They are literally not letting any single title leave their grasp.

And what is even more amazing is that the finals of the last nine slams have only had these four in them. So, not only are they taking the big prizes, they are not letting up even on the runner ups spots. Remarkable stuff from these four.

Sabratha
10-17-2012, 09:18 AM
I'm happy for all of them.