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Duncan Bell
10-16-2012, 04:28 AM
After the most successful year in recent memory for British Tennis coming to a close, and (more importantly) the future looking very bright, I thought it apposite to create this thread to look forward to what is to come, and to reflect on an awesome year for the Kingdom!

Andy Murray (whatever you might think of him) had a fantastic year (with WTF to come) - Wimbledon final, Olympic Gold & then ending the 76 year wait for a British Slam champion. His #1 potential and opportunity for multiple slams (inc. Wimbledon!) is genuinely exciting going into 2013, as Federer and Nadal perhaps begin to wane and his battle with Djokovic continues to rage.

Heather Watson became the first Brit to win a woman's title for 24 years, and propelled herself into the top 50. Not forgetting Laura Robson, who made her first WTA final, jumped up the rankings and caused a real stir in the US Open and of course winning silver in the doubles at the Olympics. She is showing real top 10 potential and could realistically be in with a shout of a slam at some point in her career.

Alongside those, the likes of Ollie Golding and Liam Broady coming through, do they have top-tier potential?

I really love following the Brits in tennis, and hope to find a few more who feel similar. Can Murray finish 2013 as #1? Will he win another slam in 2013? Will Watson and Robson continue their upward trajectory into 2013 and begin to have an impact in more Premier/GS events? Will Bogdanovic ever get back to no. 108?

Hood_Man
10-16-2012, 04:56 AM
Luckily No1e doesn't speak for everyone (or anyone...).

And I agree with the mention of Broady and Golding. It's become quite fashionable to dismiss junior achievements as "non-indicative of potential," but anyone who saw Broady's performance in last year's Boys Wimbledon Final knows the potential is there.

And of course Golding's US Open boys win.

Good times ahead :D

AnotherTennisProdigy
10-16-2012, 05:09 AM
No one cares.

Wrong, I care.

Duncan Bell
10-16-2012, 05:25 AM
And I agree with the mention of Broady and Golding. It's become quite fashionable to dismiss junior achievements as "non-indicative of potential,"



You're right. Junior achievement doesn't necessarily translate into senior success, and the step up to ATP I gather can be really difficult, but it really is the only discrete barometer of potential we have - other than that it's about watching them play and seeing how their playing style/temperament/mentality look like they'll adapt to the modern professional game.

I'm under no illusions that Broady or Golding will be future top 5 or even top 10 really, but it'll be interesting to see how far they go.

Out of interest, does anyone know how the current top 4 faired in the Boys game - did they just clean up?

Mainad
10-16-2012, 09:59 AM
I guess this must be the best year for British tennis since Virginia Wade won Wimbledon back in 1977! :)

Murray winning his first Slam at long last, the first British man to do so since Fred Perry way back in 1936, and taking Olympic gold in front of his home crowd at Wimbledon plus becoming the first British man to make a Wimbledon final since Bunny Austin way back in 1938!

Heather Watson becoming the first British woman to win a WTA singles title since Sarah Gomer back in 1988. Laura Robson becoming the first British woman to reach a WTA singles final since Jo Durie back in 1990!

Plus the recent success of Oliver Golding winning the 2011 US Junior singles title and Liam Broady making two Junior Slam finals (2011 Wimbledon & 2012 USO).

Yes, these are comparatively good times for British tennis after so many years of doubt and uncertainty. We now have one of the top 4 best players in the world and up-and-coming youngsters who are giving us some hope for the future at long last.

Fingers crossed it will all come good!

batz
10-16-2012, 10:02 AM
You're right. Junior achievement doesn't necessarily translate into senior success, and the step up to ATP I gather can be really difficult, but it really is the only discrete barometer of potential we have - other than that it's about watching them play and seeing how their playing style/temperament/mentality look like they'll adapt to the modern professional game.

I'm under no illusions that Broady or Golding will be future top 5 or even top 10 really, but it'll be interesting to see how far they go.

Out of interest, does anyone know how the current top 4 faired in the Boys game - did they just clean up?

Not at all. Murray won only 1 junior GS title (USO) - the lad from Canada who is currently posting on here did better than that! Rafa didn't really play juniors - he was winning ATP tourments at that age.

Hood_Man
10-16-2012, 10:03 AM
I think Djokovic "only" got as high as the 20's in the Junior World rankings too.

winstonplum
10-16-2012, 10:48 AM
No one cares.

Because glory hunters like yourself only like the person who is ranked #1 in the world. Pathetic.

6-1 6-3 6-0
10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Practically every year since 2008 has been a year for Spanish tennis (thanks to Nadal), so it's only fair that Britain gets its moment of glory (2012).

RF20Lennon
10-16-2012, 11:23 AM
Practically every year since 2008 has been a year for Spanish tennis (thanks to Nadal), so it's only fair that Britain gets its moment of glory (2012).

Are you Spanish?

Duncan Bell
01-03-2013, 02:20 AM
Watson has withdrawn from Hobart with an elbow injury - looks like she could be a doubt for AusO, which would be disappointing.

Robson suffered a very disappointing straight set loss in Shenzhen, but she must be feeling confident for the AusO given her impressive run in New York.

Can either of these make the top 20/30 this year? I'm much more impressed overall with Robson, she seems more talented but inconsistent and can get flustered easily.

Much discussion already about Murray, but could this be a 2 slam year for him?

Laurie
01-03-2013, 02:33 PM
Hi Duncan

I missed this thread last month. It is looking up for British tennis although I did hear about Heather Watson today which is a pity, hopefully she will play the Aussie but perhaps unlikely but we'll see.

Your comment about Robson and Watson is interesting. Some people think Heather is more talented, some think Laura is more talented. Laura has more weapons and is taller, she plays a game similar to Petra Kvitova although not heading to net as much as Kvitova does. If Robson can improve her movement she has a great chance to be top 10 material. Heather Watson needs to look to someone like Justine Henin for inspiration, she will have to work very hard to get up there because of her demeanor but she has already displayed the determination to do that.

Check out my article I wrote a couple of months ago about womens British tennis on the rise:

http://burnstennis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/womens-british-tennis-on-rise_14.html

Netspirit
01-03-2013, 02:35 PM
Yo, Brits, brace yourselves, for a new 76-year period has started according to the Maya calendar.

Laurie
01-03-2013, 02:37 PM
Yo, Brits, brace yourselves, for a new 76-year period has started according to the Maya calendar.

Thanks! :razz:

*Sparkle*
01-03-2013, 03:39 PM
Regarding Heather and Laura, it's just more obvious how Laura can improve her game, although both have loads to learn still, and I'm hopeful they will progress up the rankings, hopefully without too much pressure, or injuries.

With a bit of luck, Heather's elbow is fine and she's just being cautious ahead of the AO. At this time of year, the players aren't always sure what's a return to work niggle that they can play through, and what needs a proper rest.

Duncan Bell
01-04-2013, 03:48 AM
Thanks for the article Laurie - not sure about there only being a minor difference between top 10 and top 100 in terms of ability - didn't Kerber finish 2011 ranked about 40, then finished 2012 as rank 5? I take your point though, her rise was spectacular.

That's not to say that Laura & Heather ranked in the 50s is a true reflection of their actual ability - they're clearly on the rise as well. Robson's USO run in particular stands out to me as a real line in the sand of progress in the British women's game, and really hope she can build on that in the future. If she can improve mentally & improve her mobility (she's moves like she's running on treacle), I can definitely see her in the top 15.

Watson is more of a grafter, and I find it slightly harder to try and chart where she might end up...if she works really hard she could certainly be up there too.

batz
01-04-2013, 03:51 AM
I hear Laura has drawn Sloane Stephens in Hobart R1. Should be interesting.

Duncan Bell
01-04-2013, 04:05 AM
I hear Laura has drawn Sloane Stephens in Hobart R1. Should be interesting.

Brilliant draw, real test of how Laura compares with another riser who is tearing through the rankings.

Stephens seeded 8th.

Duncan Bell
06-12-2013, 12:46 AM
It's time! Let's get this crackalacking.

Grass court tennis is here, and plenty of tennis being played on British soil.

We currently are currently in the second of two week long Challenger events (WTA & ATP) in Nottingham, with (predictably) lots of British talent on display.

Birmingham is hosting the Aegon Classic in it's last year as an International Tier before being bumped up to a Premier 600 tourny. Brits in action here are:
Laura Robson [7]
Heather Watson [14]
Anne Keothavong (out)
Tara Moore (out)
Jo Konta

At Queens, aside from top seed Andy Murray there are 4 more Brits in the main draw:
Dan Evans
Jamie Baker (out)
James Ward (out)
Kyle Edmunds (out)

World number 277 Dan 'Evo' Evans had a great result in the first round, beating the world number 75 in 2 quick sets.
He'll face either Nieminen in the next round.
Kyle Edmunds has just touched down in England after winning the boys doubles in Paris last week - he impressed against seeded Zemlja, but just came up short. By all accounts (not televised) he really took it to his opponent. Promising signs.

Wildcards for Wimbledon will be announced at the end of this week, I believe (and presume Eastbourne WCs are imminent). Jo Konta has been in decent form recently, and will certainly get a WC for Wimbledon - Tara Moore may do too. Keothavong is a candidate too. I wouldn't be suprised if Wimbledon have lost their patience with her, but given she's still top 250 they will still give her one.

At the moment, Joshua Ward-Hibbert (very smooth player), Dan Smethurst, Josh Milton, David Rice, George Coupland, Richard Gabb, Brydan Klein (ex Aussie) are playing in Nottingham - a few of these could get a WC into the qualifiers at SW19. The Brits playing in the womens are Baltacha, Emily Webley-Smith, Samantha Murray, Jade Windley, Lisa Whybourn & Naomi Broady. One or two may get a qualifying WC at Wimbledon.

My punt at Wimbledon WCs:

Men:
James Ward - given he's the only other man inside the top 250, despite him being disappointing recently.
Dan Evans - I think they'll squeeze him in given Davis Cup performance and win at Queens

Can't see them being able to justify Jamie Baker - outside the top 250 and has been ranked much higher. He's also 26 now.

Outsider: Kyle Edmund. After winning Boys French Open doubles and pushing Zemlja close yesterday, he may have enough profile to be offered a WC.

Women (bit easier):

Baltacha
Jo Konta
Tara Moore
Sam Murray
Anne Keothavong

Outsider:
Lisa Whybourn - one of the younger ones around the top 10 girls, and had a decent result in Nottingham just yesterday.

namelessone
06-12-2013, 01:12 AM
Outside of Murray, British tennis sucks, let's face it.

I heard some good things about Robson on the WTA but so far she hasn't made her mark. I've seen a couple of her matches and she seems to have the mental consistency of Ivanovic, which isn't saying much.

Ward seems like a work in progress but I'm not seeing a huge talent there either. Plus, he's 26, it's not like he is gonna achieve much at this point in his career.

It's weird how a country with so much tradition in the sport has fallen so far.

At least Australia has Tomic to look forward to. Who will the Brits push forwards as their new great star after Murray call is quits? Cause the prospects seem slim so far.

m2nk2
06-12-2013, 01:51 AM
The reason why British tennis suck, and probably will suck for a long time is because of the courts and the weather.

Murray had to move to Spain to get access to some decent courts. Unfortunately not that many people are rich enough to be able to do that.

I've seen a few really good 12-14 year olds. But they are never going to get to that extra level playing on wet tarmac courts in 2 degrees...

m2nk2
06-12-2013, 01:58 AM
In Sweden in the 80's after Borg's success they basically took the best 40 or so juniors and built a team around that and travelled with them all over. Of course it was all paid for by the socialist government, which could never happen in todays right wing agenda.

But that propelled Sweden in to the second best tennis nation in history and we've had some 30 grand slams and maybe 6-7 slam winners since then. Also at one point we had 7 players among the top 20. Which isn't too bad for a country with a population of 8-9 million.

Duncan Bell
06-12-2013, 03:12 AM
Interesting m2nk2 - but what about the indoor hardcourts (inside buildings or 'bubbles') now? Surely the best players getting good time on these should make up for that?

Of course, that doesn't help when grass/clay tournaments come round, but given that most of the tour is HC, they should be able to cope?

Duncan Bell
06-12-2013, 03:16 AM
It's weird how a country with so much tradition in the sport has fallen so far.

At least Australia has Tomic to look forward to. Who will the Brits push forwards as their new great star after Murray call is quits? Cause the prospects seem slim so far.

Murray is 26, so has 5 years left in him; that's a long time for a successor to come forward.