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Jmon99
10-17-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm interested to know if any pro players (apart from Agnieszka Radwanska) use 'lite' model rackets. I play with a Yonex Vcore Lite and I find that despite it weighing only 270g, it can still pack a pretty good punch. I personally would've thought that some of the smaller female players like Kimiko Date Krumm and Sara Errani would use lighter frames but obviously most don't. Anyway, does anybody know of any players who do use them?

jorel
10-17-2012, 10:19 AM
i remember justine henin used a light frame but very head heavy

Seth
10-17-2012, 11:27 AM
Doesn't Krumm use a really heavy frame?

treblings
10-17-2012, 11:33 AM
Doesn't Krumm use a really heavy frame?

she does. there was a thread here some time ago with pics and specs of her racket. is she still playing btw?

dominikk1985
10-17-2012, 11:43 AM
I think filip peliwo mentioned that he uses a 305 grams frame. not sure though.

treblings
10-17-2012, 11:51 AM
I think filip peliwo mentioned that he uses a 305 grams frame. not sure though.

read that as well. unstrung weight

Rabbit
10-17-2012, 12:11 PM
I think on bag check, krum lists her racquet weight at 400 grams. Davydenko was reported as using a racquet in the 315 gram weight.

Jmon99
10-18-2012, 11:21 AM
400g? Thats a club! I thought with Date Krumm being so petite that's the last thing she'd want.

realplayer
10-18-2012, 11:42 AM
John Isner uses a racket of 320 grams.

LeeD
10-18-2012, 11:42 AM
Look at her strokes.
More to the point, Fp and Davydenko

Gasolina
10-18-2012, 12:12 PM
If pros are using sub 12 ounce racquets.... are we really just kidding / convincing ourselves that we need heavy racquets?

Bash and Crash
10-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Saw Dennis Kudla's sticks and they said 336g with swing weight of 298 on the custom label, took photo but didn't come out. Seemed pretty light sw.

Dave M
10-18-2012, 03:18 PM
If pros are using sub 12 ounce racquets.... are we really just kidding / convincing ourselves that we need heavy racquets?

I think we're kidding oureslves we're even playing the same game to be honest!

0d1n
10-19-2012, 01:54 AM
Saw Dennis Kudla's sticks and they said 336g with swing weight of 298 on the custom label, took photo but didn't come out. Seemed pretty light sw.

Those are unstrung. Add strings and overgrip and you've got over 330 SW and something like 355 grams mass.

On topic...in the case of pros...even if they use the "lite" model, there's no way of knowing if they haven't been heavily modified unless somebody gets measurements of the ACTUAL sticks they use, not just the "model".

Power Player
10-19-2012, 08:54 AM
If pros are using sub 12 ounce racquets.... are we really just kidding / convincing ourselves that we need heavy racquets?

It matters how you hit though. If you punch the ball and prefer placement without a more modern swing and come to the net often, heavy can be better.

If you hit with a lot of top....

I am finding success with a 305 stick as long as the SW is healthy.

The way to test this for me is really focusing on serve. a little lighter stick helps my timing, especially in later sets.

Bash and Crash
10-19-2012, 10:15 AM
Those are unstrung. Add strings and overgrip and you've got over 330 SW and something like 355 grams mass.

On topic...in the case of pros...even if they use the "lite" model, there's no way of knowing if they haven't been heavily modified unless somebody gets measurements of the ACTUAL sticks they use, not just the "model".

All I can is they felt pretty light when strung, and his lead placement was much different than the other players. Very interesting to see how the guys lead up their sticks.

You Can't Be Serious
10-19-2012, 10:31 AM
Doesn't Krumm use a really heavy frame?

Very heavy frame which helps with her abbreviated strokes.

LeeD
10-19-2012, 04:56 PM
Power Player.....
W O W !!
I thought you were a confirmed heavy racket, moderate head light balance guy.
I used to be, using 12.4 oz rackets for 3 years, and mid 11 oz LMRads before that, but I"ve found I can play better more often, especially tired, with a 10 oz Aero500, some weighted, some not. And now playing once every other week, it's just plain easier, allowing me to strategize and think while I play, instead of just trying, unsuccessfully, to contantly hit a heavy ball.

Power Player
10-19-2012, 05:45 PM
Power Player.....
W O W !!
I thought you were a confirmed heavy racket, moderate head light balance guy.
I used to be, using 12.4 oz rackets for 3 years, and mid 11 oz LMRads before that, but I"ve found I can play better more often, especially tired, with a 10 oz Aero500, some weighted, some not. And now playing once every other week, it's just plain easier, allowing me to strategize and think while I play, instead of just trying, unsuccessfully, to contantly hit a heavy ball.

Yeah i have been forever..its crazy. But i have gotten leaner and dropped weight. Notice in third sets that my serve just gets harder and harder to execute.

Played in oppressive heat last week with a 329 strung up racquet and could serve big even while i felt wiped out..huge difference..the key is a more head heavy balance and a healthy swingweight. Dont think i could play with a light stick that is too head light

LeeD
10-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Cool.
I got my 3 Aero500's from here, TW. Got one weighed at our local tennis store, and it came out 330 SW with my strings attached.
I knew the SW couldn't be 308, as listed, because it's not all that different than my 200's or LMRads.
Today, in muggy 65 degree wet drizzle, using old, soft DunlopHDHardcourtChamps, I had no pop whatsoever on my serves, so will try my 200's tomorrow.
Warming up, I hit over 40 serves, and only a couple went IN and hit the backfence up above a foot. Those were with older and softer balls, of course.

Power Player
10-19-2012, 06:08 PM
I cant use stiff racquets..so it limits me a little. I am happy with the Blade 98 and if it bothers my arm down the road, I will try the Head Radical MP even though I hate the grip.

I liked the 500 a lot..love dunlops..But I like the dunlops that flex at 62. The 500 is too high for me.

robbo1970
10-24-2012, 05:22 AM
I was using a heavy racket (350g) for a while, but when I decided to randomly try a lighter racket (305g) I couldnt believe how much easier it was to play with so much more consistancy. I was annoyed I hadn't switched sooner.

augustobt
10-24-2012, 05:32 AM
I will try the Head Radical MP even though I hate the grip.

Never knew anyone who does hate that grip :shock:

Wilander Fan
10-24-2012, 05:50 AM
I have heard and read that its basically impossible to return a big serve with a light racket. The pace will rip the lighter racket out of your hands if you only have time to block.

dominikk1985
10-24-2012, 06:52 AM
Very heavy frame which helps with her abbreviated strokes.

It matters how you hit though. If you punch the ball and prefer placement without a more modern swing and come to the net often, heavy can be better.

If you hit with a lot of top....

I am finding success with a 305 stick as long as the SW is healthy.

The way to test this for me is really focusing on serve. a little lighter stick helps my timing, especially in later sets.

I cannot believe reading such stuff. a heavier racket only helps of you have faster and longer strokes. If you prefer punching balls back a light "trampoline" racket is the best choice.

higher racket mass only helps if you swing it fast because that is the way you create momentum with with. (f=m*a)

Wilander
10-24-2012, 07:08 AM
I cannot believe reading such stuff. a heavier racket only helps of you have faster and longer strokes. If you prefer punching balls back a light "trampoline" racket is the best choice.

higher racket mass only helps if you swing it fast because that is the way you create momentum with with. (f=m*a)

i cannot believe im reading your post, as it is not very helpful.
1. what is a trampoline racquet?
2. do you think "f" stands for momentum?
3. if your racquet is heavy, you will not be able to swing it as fast as a light racquet - and you dont have to do so!

davo81
10-24-2012, 08:31 AM
If pros are using sub 12 ounce racquets.... are we really just kidding / convincing ourselves that we need heavy racquets?

Of course we are. Most amateur players' racquet considerations are ridiculous. We don't have anywhere near the same power, we don't have anywhere near the same consistency. Yet we all attempt to mimic pro players' equipment. I do the same, even though I know it's ridiculous. It's almost as if I'm hoping for some kind of magic that will transfer the pros' abilities to me as soon as I start using their equipment :p

Gasolina
10-25-2012, 01:28 PM
Of course we are. Most amateur players' racquet considerations are ridiculous. We don't have anywhere near the same power, we don't have anywhere near the same consistency. Yet we all attempt to mimic pro players' equipment. I do the same, even though I know it's ridiculous. It's almost as if I'm hoping for some kind of magic that will transfer the pros' abilities to me as soon as I start using their equipment :p
Of course, its not like we use heavy racquets "just because". I do feel I hit heavier shots with my current stick.

LeeD
10-25-2012, 02:00 PM
I don't.
Using 11.4 oz LMRAds for 2 years, then Dunlop200's around mid 12's strung, now using 10.2 oz 500's that might weigh 10.7 strung.
Most of my peers at 4.0 don't hit hard. I can crush balls with either light or heavy rackets.
Against the occasional hard ball, what sense is fighting fire with fire? Why not add some spin, some placement, some off pace, to fight against hard hitters? After all, the hard hitters aren't 5.5's, are they? And if they are, what do I care? I"m a 4.0.
But against weak mishits, for me, a lightweight racket is much easier to put away the ball with a clean winner.

Gasolina
10-25-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't.
Using 11.4 oz LMRAds for 2 years, then Dunlop200's around mid 12's strung, now using 10.2 oz 500's that might weigh 10.7 strung.
Most of my peers at 4.0 don't hit hard. I can crush balls with either light or heavy rackets.
Against the occasional hard ball, what sense is fighting fire with fire? Why not add some spin, some placement, some off pace, to fight against hard hitters? After all, the hard hitters aren't 5.5's, are they? And if they are, what do I care? I"m a 4.0.
But against weak mishits, for me, a lightweight racket is much easier to put away the ball with a clean winner.
Agree with almost everything but for me, the reason why I have an almost 12 oz racquet is to deal with heavy hitters.

My first racquet was also 10.7 ounces (Kfactor 95 team). It served me fine until I tried returning heavy topspin shots from a left handed 1hbh. The racquet was so torsionaly unstable that you really feel the stick getting pushed around.

Don't get me wrong, I actually envy you for riding with a lighter stick. It seems you struck gold with the 500's and they fit your game well. If I ever find a sub 11 oz stick, flexy, with SW of around 325, I'll give it a try.

LeeD
10-25-2012, 02:39 PM
I've mentioned more than 10 times that I cannot rally as well with the lighter rackets. I just don't hit the same ball when the incoming ball is going at the 5.0 levels. A heavier racket is better, for sure.
But I don't worry too much about rallying. Set play, whether it's for fun or for records, the purpose is to win, and to win, we gotta hit what the other guy doesn't like, not set him up for his favorite shots.
Against a hard hitter in rallying, they want a hard hit ball.
Against a hard hitter in set play, they dread low skidded slices, short angles, and high loopers.
And against soft hitters who slice and dink, misdirect and angle, a light racket, for most players, is easier to hit the countering ball, which often is more of the same against the guy who started the style of play.
I hear ya when you say you would use a light stick if it works for you.
For me, I can't match power for power, being slight in build and out of shape. So I need to hit the weirdo shots, the short angles, slices, loopy forehands, and teasers to win as many points as possible, but more important, to take a big hitter slightly out of his game so my big shots can start to work against him.
In summation, using a heavy racket against a big hitter is basically grooving him to hit his best shots.

Kalin
10-29-2012, 02:00 AM
I'm back on these boards after a several-year long hiatus and it immediately feels like home- I'm so glad this heavy vs. light argument hasn't been settled yet :)

I grew up playing with a very heavy + headlight racquet and I can't get used to the light ones. Light + headlight - too much work for me to put pace on the ball. Light + headheavy - even more swingweight than a heavy racquet... makes me even more tired with my type of strokes.

Against a player who is overpowering me I have found that switching to an Oversize with my normal specs (maybe a tiny bit lighter) works better that trying a much lighter racquet for more maneuverability. I'd rather be able to return some shots deep and hard rather than return most shots shallow and weak :)

LeeD
10-29-2012, 03:32 PM
Sounds like poster 32 uses shorter, straighter strokes that go thru the ball.
I"m more the opposite. Heavy top on forehand, heavy slice on backhand, and the lighter racket is just plain easier to control direction.
No need whatsoever for "plough thru" because I only hit flat against slower moving balls.
Against fast incoming balls, the goal is to add more spin to it, returning it with looper with heavy top or oval sliced underspin balls.
But if you can handle the weight of racket you're using, stick with it, it's perfect for you.

LeeD
10-29-2012, 05:48 PM
Wilander Fan...
Just WHO is serving so fast against you that you can't return his serve with your "light" racket?
Is Roddick your regular practice partner?
I"m 4.0, and nobody serves past 125, even the 5.5's who occasionally drop by.

Kalin
10-30-2012, 03:39 AM
LeeD,

Good call, this is how I learned to play. The fact that you prefer a different racquet is exactly why this light vs. heavy question will never be answered unequivocally. There is a good reason why they make racquets with pretty much every combination of weight vs. balance :)

treblings
10-30-2012, 03:46 AM
There is a good reason why they make racquets with pretty much every combination of weight vs. balance :)

sure there is. the racquet industry caters to the customer. players vary in sizes, playing style, abilities, age,...
of course the racquets vary as well

i think the thread is actually more about pros who use lite racquets:)

MauRod
11-01-2012, 05:42 AM
John Isner uses a racket of 320 grams.
Unstrung? Does he use lead tape on the racquet?

TennisCJC
11-02-2012, 08:42 AM
I cut the data below from another thread here in TW but mine is not as readable - here is other thread http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=442403&highlight=NICOLAS+LAPENTTI


UNSTRUNG specs in table. I added STRUNG adjustments and STRUNG SPECS at the bottom. Average pro strung rate is 358.8 grams/12.6 oz with balance at .985 inch HL or 7.878 points HL. So, in general male pros use pretty heavy rackets that are about 8 points HL. Some of the lighter rackets tend to migrate toward less HL or even HH - see unstrung specs for Moya and Nadal for examples. This table does not include swing weight but it will be high too - my guess SW will be 340-380 grams.

Melzer is lite at 11.68 oz strung with 9.76 HL strung - this racket would like have a low SW too sense it is well under 12 oz and very HL. F Lopez is lite too at 11.61 oz/5.19 HL strung, but SW likely higher than Melzer since it is significantly less HL.

Not saying rec players should play pro specs but I do think 3.5 level and above should play as heavy as they can comfortably handle and even a very slight player can easily play swing weight of 320 grams. Pros are big strong athletes and rec players should not play same specs - geez, many of the pros are near or over 13 oz frames.


Name Weight(g) Weight(oz) Balance(cm) Balance(inch) Lenghth Length(inch) headlight(in.) points HL
DANIEL NESTOR 374 13.19 29.1 11.46 69.5 27.36 2.22 17.8
JUAN MONACO 367 12.95 31.4 12.36 70 27.56 1.42 11.34
MARIO ANCIC 366 12.91 29.3 11.54 69 27.17 2.05 16.38
JAMES BLAKE 365 12.88 30.5 12.01 68.5 26.97 1.48 11.81
KEVIN ULLYETT 360 12.7 29.5 11.61 70 27.56 2.17 17.32
STANISLAS WAWRINKA 359 12.66 31 12.2 68.5 26.97 1.28 10.24
MAX MIRNYI 359 12.66 30.4 11.97 68.5 26.97 1.52 12.13
ANDREAS SEPPI 356 12.56 30.8 12.13 70 27.56 1.65 13.23
NICOLAS KIEFER 350 12.35 32.2 12.68 69 27.17 0.91 7.24
JONAS BJORKMAN 349 12.31 30.2 11.89 70 27.56 1.89 15.12
JUAN-IGNACIO CHELA 349 12.31 32.8 12.91 70 27.56 0.87 6.93
RICHARD GASQUET 349 12.31 31.5 12.4 68.5 26.97 1.08 8.66
JARKKO NIEMINEM 348 12.28 30.5 12.01 71 27.95 1.97 15.75
ARNAUD CLEMENT 348 12.28 30.8 12.13 70.5 27.76 1.75 14.02
SIMON ASPELIN 348 12.28 31 12.2 68.5 26.97 1.28 10.24
NICOLAS LAPENTTI 348 12.28 31.5 12.4 68.5 26.97 1.08 8.66
PAVEL VIZNER 347 12.24 31 12.2 69.5 27.36 1.48 11.81
IVO KARLOVIC 347 12.24 31.5 12.4 69 27.17 1.18 9.45
VINCENT SPADEA 347 12.24 30.5 12.01 68.5 26.97 1.48 11.81
FILIPPO VOLANDRI 347 12.24 30.8 12.13 68.5 26.97 1.36 10.87
SEBASTIEN GROSJEAN 345 12.17 31.7 12.48 71 27.95 1.5 11.97
NENAD ZIMONJIC 344 12.13 30.7 12.09 69.5 27.36 1.59 12.76
PAUL HANLEY 340 11.99 30.4 11.97 70 27.56 1.81 14.49
TOMMY ROBREDO 340 11.99 31.5 12.4 69.5 27.36 1.28 10.24
MARC GICQUEL 340 11.99 31.2 12.28 68.5 26.97 1.2 9.61
PAUL-HENRI MATHIEU 338 11.92 31.3 12.32 68.5 26.97 1.16 9.29
NICOLAS ALMAGRO 337 11.89 31.2 12.28 68.5 26.97 1.2 9.61
POTITO STARACE 336 11.85 31 12.2 68.5 26.97 1.28 10.24
G.GARCIA LOPEZ 336 11.85 31.5 12.4 68.5 26.97 1.08 8.66
J.W TSONGA 335 11.82 31 12.2 69.5 27.36 1.48 11.81
FERNANDO VERDASCO 335 11.82 30.4 11.97 68.5 26.97 1.52 12.13
MICHAEL LLODRA 333 11.75 30.8 12.13 68.5 26.97 1.36 10.87
OLIVIER ROCHUS 331 11.68 31.1 12.24 71.5 28.15 1.83 14.65
THOMAS JOHANSSON 331 11.68 31.2 12.28 68.5 26.97 1.2 9.61
JC FERRERO 330 11.64 32.5 12.8 71.5 28.15 1.28 10.24
DAVID FERRER 330 11.64 32 12.6 71 27.95 1.38 11.02
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO 330 11.64 32 12.6 70 27.56 1.18 9.45
FABRICE SANTORO 328 11.57 31 12.2 71 27.95 1.77 14.17
GILLES SIMON 327 11.53 31 12.2 68.5 26.97 1.28 10.24
MIKHAIL YOUZHNY 320 11.29 31 12.2 68.5 26.97 1.28 10.24
RAFAEL NADAL 319 11.25 32.5 12.8 68.5 26.97 0.69 5.51
ALBERT MONTANES 316 11.15 33 12.99 70 27.56 0.79 6.3
JURGEN MELZER 314 11.08 31.2 12.28 70.5 27.76 1.59 12.76
FELICIANO LOPEZ 312 11.01 32.4 12.76 70 27.56 1.02 8.19
CARLOS MOYA 306 10.79 36.2 14.25 69 27.17 -0.67 -5.35
AVG UNSTRUNG SPECS 340.8 12.022 31.24666667 12.30133333 69.4 27.32377778 1.36 10.87822222
Strung ADJ 18 0.6 1 0.375 0 0 -0.375 -3
AVG STRUNG SPECS 358.8 12.622 32.24666667 12.67633333 69.4 27.32377778 0.985 7.878222222

eman resu
12-28-2012, 09:44 AM
I'm interested to know if any pro players (apart from Agnieszka Radwanska) use 'lite' model rackets. I play with a Yonex Vcore Lite and I find that despite it weighing only 270g, it can still pack a pretty good punch. I personally would've thought that some of the smaller female players like Kimiko Date Krumm and Sara Errani would use lighter frames but obviously most don't. Anyway, does anybody know of any players who do use them?

Can you give me more details on the Ynoex VCore Lite? In particular, what is the bare handle made of? That usual yellowish molded foam? Do you know the stiffness?

jankustra
02-21-2013, 01:48 PM
You will come to a point, where you find out there is no way to use less than 330 gram racket... if someone hit 200km/h serve you have to face it with a lot of mass... swingweight is not everything... hh frames are not easy to return serve...

Power Player
02-21-2013, 02:14 PM
You will come to a point, where you find out there is no way to use less than 330 gram racket... if someone hit 200km/h serve you have to face it with a lot of mass... swingweight is not everything... hh frames are not easy to return serve...

Thats complete BS. I just played a guy yesterday who hits serves over 110 and my 326 gram racquet with a 2 pts hl balance was just fine.

LeeD
02-21-2013, 02:30 PM
For sure, some mass is required, but the lowest amount would depend on the individual trying to return the fast serve.
Some players purely block the ball, and would need some SW and racketmass.
Some players like to swing, either topspin or slice, or sidespin, and those might be better off with less SW and mass.
As for 120 mph serves, lucky for most of us, it seldom goes IN and it is seldom seen by our peers. Just blocking it back high and deep almost neutralizes the big serve, so it's good enough for someone who depends on his big serve to win a point outright.
And we all know, a MISHIT return is often better than a solid ball, as the weirdo bounce and unaccountable depth and direction needs good footwork and ball recognition to handle.

Power Player
02-21-2013, 02:35 PM
I could understand being on the pro tour, playing 6 hours a day and facing 120 mph bombs on the regular - yes, instead of 325, 345 would be more optimal.

But still there are guys like Chardy who use a stick at 330 with a 330ish SW.

I don't know - he seems pretty good.

LeeD
02-21-2013, 03:00 PM
I was under the impression that lots of Div1 players use pretty light rackets by pro standards. Maybe not 10 oz 300 SW's, but certainly within PPlayer's parameters.
The game is evolving, and so is the equipement used to play it.

Power Player
02-21-2013, 03:16 PM
I was under the impression that lots of Div1 players use pretty light rackets by pro standards. Maybe not 10 oz 300 SW's, but certainly within PPlayer's parameters.
The game is evolving, and so is the equipement used to play it.

Without a doubt.

Instead of 12.3, its 11.5.

Timbo's hopeless slice
02-21-2013, 03:25 PM
ye, i have given away my silly 'player's sticks'

I play better with 11.5 oz and around 330 sw, simple as that.

and I play some pretty big hitters, lol.

as others have said, Felip Peliwo trains with Raonic using a stock Blade 98..

maybe he would lead it up if he had to face the heavy hitters of ALTA 4.0.. (falls off chair)

LeeD
02-21-2013, 03:26 PM
And if a trained, fit, athletic 20 year old can wield a 11.5 oz racket, an old fart, injured, blind, and having lost at least 40% of my athletic skills might NEED a 10 oz racket just to swat at the ball.

Timbo's hopeless slice
02-21-2013, 03:29 PM
And if a trained, fit, athletic 20 year old can wield a 11.5 oz racket, an old fart, injured, blind, and having lost at least 40% of my athletic skills might NEED a 10 oz racket just to swat at the ball.

LOL! :)

+ 10 west coast kite boarders..

LeeD
02-21-2013, 03:45 PM
Funny ding....
Kiteboard here, aka Geoff, has never kiteboarded.
I, who claim surfer, tennis player, and windsurfer, have 6 kites, 3 kiteboards, but haven't used them since 2001.
BTW. I've been playing at the courts where Kiteboarder used to play, and sometimes hit with the partner he complains about all the time......:oops::oops:
Of course, I'm in no shape to hit with him alone, but can hold my own if there is another guy on my side of the court.

corners
02-21-2013, 03:56 PM
ye, i have given away my silly 'player's sticks'

I play better with 11.5 oz and around 330 sw, simple as that.

and I play some pretty big hitters, lol.

as others have said, Felip Peliwo trains with Raonic using a stock Blade 98..

maybe he would lead it up if he had to face the heavy hitters of ALTA 4.0.. (falls off chair)

So you really did see the (green) light. (Saw a post in another thread and thought you were joking). So you've gone from a low-swingweight, headlight (heavy-handle) stick to a higher-swingweight, light-handled stick. Pretty much reversed your weight distribution. What have you gained with the X7 310? And have you lost anything?

I'm curious because I've always played with traditional player weighting, but am looking around....

LeeD
02-21-2013, 04:29 PM
Problem here is lots of us copy what the pros do, but we don't face and hit 135 mph serves, 85 mph groundies, and run like the wind.
So should we use exactly what the pros use?
I hit 100mph serves, and 65 mph second serves. Mostly 60 mph forehands and slower sliced backhands.
And I don't face 135 mph serves.

Venetian
02-21-2013, 09:51 PM
You will come to a point, where you find out there is no way to use less than 330 gram racket... if someone hit 200km/h serve you have to face it with a lot of mass... swingweight is not everything... hh frames are not easy to return serve...

Not true for someone who can't effectively use a 330 gram racquet. A lot of average to tall guys don't seem to fully grasp that racquet weight is relative to the weight/height of the individual swinging it. There are shorter/lighter pros and joes that use heavier racquets, but I think the norm is for most shorter people to use light sticks. At 5'5" and 135lbs, I just cannot effectively swing a racquet over 11oz. I can swing it, but not effectively enough to generate the kind of topspin needed to keep the ball in play. The racquet I use right now is 10.2oz and about 4pts headlight, and I have no trouble hanging with my buddy who's 6'5", 200+lbs, and played college tennis several years ago. In fact, a few years back I hit with a local D1 college kid who used a stock Wilson K-Surge. So a lighter stick can still be used at higher levels of play.

Timbo's hopeless slice
02-22-2013, 03:22 AM
So you really did see the (green) light. (Saw a post in another thread and thought you were joking). So you've gone from a low-swingweight, headlight (heavy-handle) stick to a higher-swingweight, light-handled stick. Pretty much reversed your weight distribution. What have you gained with the X7 310? And have you lost anything?

I'm curious because I've always played with traditional player weighting, but am looking around....

I have gained power, basically..

I don't seem to have lost anything at this point.

The X-7 is still a little HL, static weight is about the same and the sw is only 327, so it's hardly a Hyper Hammer!

biggest advantage is on serve, but I can still really swing out on my ground strokes and the extra power is obvious..

I'm not having any control issues at all..

Hi I'm Ray
02-22-2013, 03:37 AM
Funny ding....
Kiteboard here, aka Geoff, has never kiteboarded.
I, who claim surfer, tennis player, and windsurfer, have 6 kites, 3 kiteboards, but haven't used them since 2001.
BTW. I've been playing at the courts where Kiteboarder used to play, and sometimes hit with the partner he complains about all the time......:oops::oops:
Of course, I'm in no shape to hit with him alone, but can hold my own if there is another guy on my side of the court.

What happened to kiteboard anyways? Haven't seen him around lately
ye, i have given away my silly 'player's sticks'

I play better with 11.5 oz and around 330 sw, simple as that.

and I play some pretty big hitters, lol.

as others have said, Felip Peliwo trains with Raonic using a stock Blade 98..

maybe he would lead it up if he had to face the heavy hitters of ALTA 4.0.. (falls off chair)I have gained power, basically..

I don't seem to have lost anything at this point.

The X-7 is still a little HL, static weight is about the same and the sw is only 327, so it's hardly a Hyper Hammer!

biggest advantage is on serve, but I can still really swing out on my ground strokes and the extra power is obvious..

I'm not having any control issues at all..

One of my college teammates used a stock Hyper Hammer 5.2 or 5.3 or whatever -- the .# naming system was ridiculous. (We didn't have too many tweener choices back then)

Boricua
02-22-2013, 04:44 AM
Yeah i have been forever..its crazy. But i have gotten leaner and dropped weight. Notice in third sets that my serve just gets harder and harder to execute.

Played in oppressive heat last week with a 329 strung up racquet and could serve big even while i felt wiped out..huge difference..the key is a more head heavy balance and a healthy swingweight. Dont think i could play with a light stick that is too head light

I also like rackets in the 11.3-11,5 weight, 320-330 swingweight and head heavy. But I like stiifer, thicker frame rackets that are arm friendly. Not many around with these characteristics at least in stock form. I will try Organix 7. 104 head size seems big but maybe it works all right.

Boricua
02-22-2013, 05:06 AM
I have gained power, basically..

I don't seem to have lost anything at this point.

The X-7 is still a little HL, static weight is about the same and the sw is only 327, so it's hardly a Hyper Hammer!

biggest advantage is on serve, but I can still really swing out on my ground strokes and the extra power is obvious..

I'm not having any control issues at all..

I am still getting the Organix 7 next week hopefully. But, yesterday at 3 am I woke up and for some strange reason the 104 head came to my mind:confused: and I had second thoughts about this racket.
So, do you find the Organix 7 maneuvarable and fast (not clunky)? I ask because I like to play singles and don't want to play with an oversize frying pan that I can''t handle. Pros like Serena and Venus seem to handle 104 head rackets well and I think Agassi played with an oversize Radical if memory serves me well. So, that's my reference point.:)
Also, does anybody know of any current or past pro that plays with rackets with more than a 100 head size?

TennisCJC
02-22-2013, 08:25 AM
I am still getting the Organix 7 next week hopefully. But, yesterday at 3 am I woke up and for some strange reason the 104 head came to my mind:confused: and I had second thoughts about this racket.
So, do you find the Organix 7 maneuvarable and fast (not clunky)? I ask because I like to play singles and don't want to play with an oversize frying pan that I can''t handle. Pros like Serena and Venus seem to handle 104 head rackets well and I think Agassi played with an oversize Radical if memory serves me well. So, that's my reference point.:)
Also, does anybody know of any current or past pro that plays with rackets with more than a 100 head size?

Marion Bartolli plays with a racket that has a head the size of a beach ball and it is thick as a 2x4. Didn't Chang play the prince OS early in his career?

If you don't like the 104 o7, why don't you try the o8 300g model

ART ART
02-22-2013, 08:31 AM
I could understand being on the pro tour, playing 6 hours a day and facing 120 mph bombs on the regular - yes, instead of 325, 345 would be more optimal.

But still there are guys like Chardy who use a stick at 330 with a 330ish SW.

I don't know - he seems pretty good.

How do you know his racket specs ?

Power Player
02-22-2013, 08:53 AM
How do you know his racket specs ?

They have been posted in a few spots.

Boricua
02-22-2013, 11:39 AM
Marion Bartolli plays with a racket that has a head the size of a beach ball and it is thick as a 2x4. Didn't Chang play the prince OS early in his career?

If you don't like the 104 o7, why don't you try the o8 300g model

I tried the 08 when it came out and it seemed too powerful. But I could give it a try again and vary string and tension. I like the specs and head size of the 08 alot but Chris Edwards says the 07 is more controlled and he prefers it much better so I went with the 07. We will see.:)

ART ART
02-22-2013, 12:11 PM
They have been posted in a few spots.

Point one...

last time I held is racket, it was something like 355grams...

Power Player
02-22-2013, 12:13 PM
Ok, so what are his specs? I mean, you could tell the weight by holding it? Or were you stringing?

ART ART
02-22-2013, 01:19 PM
Ok, so what are his specs? I mean, you could tell the weight by holding it? Or were you stringing?

I have strung for a couple of players last year in a ATP 250 tournament in EU...

And yes, we can measure some specs, like weight and balance, not SW because we didn't have there a prince or a babolat check machine.

It was 355gr strung+overgrip, balance: 32.6cm.

Relinquis
02-23-2013, 09:39 AM
What's the count so far?!

so... of the current male pros we have 3(?) so far who use 'light' sticks? Say sub 330 'unstrung' or however you want to define* it?

interesting to hear others' experiences

personally, not a pro, I find as the match goes on i can serve and hit groundstrokes more powerfully with my heavier stick (an old 93" Prince) than i can with my steam 100**. on my forehand i tend to hit through more so the swing weight helps. when i use spin it is to kick forward rather than to hit a high clearance ball.

if you are a healthy adult (man) perhaps a heavier stick circa 12 oz makes sense. during long 5 set matches i would have though that your legs and concentration would give out before your arm would if you have decent technique.

More headlight = Heavier stick if you want to keep swingweight high

I prefer headlight balance though, even when sticks are heavy. allows me to lead with the handle more through my strokes. i don't like the 'club-like' feel of headheavy sticks.


* choose your metric, i'm not ideological about this topic...
** Will probably customise this to increase both swing weight and make it even more headlight.

corners
02-23-2013, 09:52 AM
I have strung for a couple of players last year in a ATP 250 tournament in EU...

And yes, we can measure some specs, like weight and balance, not SW because we didn't have there a prince or a babolat check machine.


Art Art, have you considered bringing a tape measure and the SwingTool app to the stringing room with you so that you can measure swingweight without a Bab or Prince machine?

marosmith
02-23-2013, 10:48 AM
What happened to kiteboard anyways? Haven't seen him around lately



I think he is busy working on one of those lawsuits?

ART ART
02-23-2013, 01:11 PM
Art Art, have you considered bringing a tape measure and the SwingTool app to the stringing room with you so that you can measure swingweight without a Bab or Prince machine?

Taking the weight and the balance, it's easy and fast! ... and we get no problems from the owners of the rackets, since they don't see it...

Using other devices on the rackets, will allways take much more time and could give us some problems if they see it.

I can even tell you that some players bring us strings without any name on it... even if they have some sponsor.

BreakPoint
02-23-2013, 06:33 PM
400g? Thats a club! I thought with Date Krumm being so petite that's the last thing she'd want.

That's how Kimiko Date can compensate for her lack of physical power by using a powerful racquet - the power comes from the heavy weight. A physically powerful person can crush the ball using just about any racquet, even a really light one.

Hi I'm Ray
02-24-2013, 02:20 AM
I think he is busy working on one of those lawsuits?
Lawsuits?
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Power Player
02-24-2013, 09:23 AM
A physically powerful person can crush the ball using just about any racquet, even a really light one.

:shock:

I agree.

With breakpoint.

Wow, a first. Lol. But he is right.