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zapvor
10-17-2012, 05:38 PM
As we have discussed before, Volkl and thankfully boris becker is going to continue! found out from my source today.

apparently the whole deal with epic international was one huge mess. now that they are under samsung, everything will be more stable, with sound financial backing. so good for volkl!

they are coming out with brand new frames for 2013. unfortunately no new ones for becker. the new volkl speed team looks sweet though! should be a good seller. new strings and new grips too.

but whats most interesting is how it came about. apparently mr Lim who lives in nj has a son that signed up for tennis class a little while back. after playing the son fell in love with the sport. so mr Lim of samsung one day said "hmmm why dont i acquire a high performance tennis company for my son as a gift"!!!! and voila!

oh and organix tech is going to stay

(by the way samsung has something like 33% of s korea's GDP)

srvnvly
10-17-2012, 07:06 PM
So, the whole deal with BB announcing there will be new frames (didn't provide any info as to when or how many) on FB, was a bunch of BS? And the BB line will consist of the NYC and ___?

zapvor
10-17-2012, 09:11 PM
as far as we know its just nyc for now.

dje31
10-18-2012, 05:16 AM
Nothing saying they can't / won't re-badge / re-brand / repaint any of the BB leftovers as Volkl product. Wouldn't be the first MFR to do that.

coolblue123
10-18-2012, 06:45 AM
thanks zappy for the info. Good to know. I wish I had a dad that'll buy me a tennis equipment company.

sureshs
10-18-2012, 08:23 AM
Samsung? Are they into sports too?

Bdarb
10-18-2012, 08:40 AM
I spoke with the volkl ne tennis rep. He said having Samsung as a backer has been helpful and made things more reliable. He said the strings and new sticks were great too but he didn't mention anything about bb. Hopefully the London is still around.

BreakPoint
10-18-2012, 11:52 AM
Samsung? Are they into sports too?
Why not? Panasonic used to make bicycles (maybe they still do?) and Bridgestone makes tennis racquets.

Vlad_C
10-18-2012, 01:12 PM
but whats most interesting is how it came about. apparently mr Lim who lives in nj has a son that signed up for tennis class a little while back. after playing the son fell in love with the sport. so mr Lim of samsung one day said "hmmm why dont i acquire a high performance tennis company for my son as a gift"!!!! and voila!



Samsung was a part of the original deal with Epic Sports International.

From 2010:
"Samsung C&T America, Inc. will be responsible for all domestic ‘pick and pack’ functions and logistics management between Epic’s Far East suppliers and the firm’s global distribution networks."

You can read the 2010 announcement at:
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/news/2010/11/klip_america_renamed_epic_spor.html

So it looks like Samsung said, Hey, wait a minute, we're doing all the work here anyway, why don't we just buy the license and continue doing the same thing on our own.

sargeinaz
10-18-2012, 01:21 PM
They need to stop messing around and bring back the Tour 10 MP gen 1

ollinger
10-18-2012, 01:59 PM
^^ There's a business plan!! Announce to the world "we're so bankrupt of ideas that we're bringing back racquets from 5 years ago!"

sargeinaz
10-18-2012, 03:13 PM
^^ There's a business plan!! Announce to the world "we're so bankrupt of ideas that we're bringing back racquets from 5 years ago!"

Wilson brought back the PS85, volkl still makes the c10, hell the prestiges are all basically the same rackets they were from back in the day. Just give the tour 10 a new paintjob with some bogus "tech" and call it a day. That's all head does or wilson with their 6.1 series. Besides, bringing back the Tour 10 MP would probably sell better than the organix 10.

I didnt see you mention anything in the ps85 threads or any head prestige threads :confused:

Bartelby
10-18-2012, 04:31 PM
Samsung moved in because Epic Sports International bought the license at the top of the market and couldn't make any money on it in the 'great recession'.

The reality is that Samsung is into clothes in America, but not sports gear, but the labels could be a vehicle for sports clothing as well as racquet goods.

So this is a new departure for them, but the reality is that product development is in Switzerland and they did all the logistics so it makes sense at some level for them to do it all.

If there's any money in it, that is.

goherd27
10-18-2012, 06:34 PM
We have all been waiting. Just set my watch.

Bartelby
10-18-2012, 06:39 PM
I hope the new ownership's social media policy is less aggressive.

vsbabolat
10-18-2012, 07:03 PM
Samsung moved in because Epic Sports International bought the license at the top of the market and couldn't make any money on it in the 'great recession'.

The reality is that Samsung is into clothes in America, but not sports gear, but the labels could be a vehicle for sports clothing as well as racquet goods.

So this is a new departure for them, but the reality is that product development is in Switzerland and they did all the logistics so it makes sense at some level for them to do it all.

If there's any money in it, that is.

All the product development of Voelkl Tennis racquets is in Bogen, Germany. With the headquarters being in Solana Beach, California under the control of Epic Sports.
Now Marker Voelkl International (the ski company that owns the Voelkl name) produces skis in Straubing, Germany with the headquarters being in Baar, Switzerland.

You confused the two companies. Unfortunately Marker Voelkl only licenses out the Voelkl name for tennis racquets and collect the royalties. They have nothing to do with racquet developing, marketing, or logistics of tennis racquets since about 1999.

Bartelby
10-18-2012, 07:16 PM
Yes, product development is in Germany but I presumed it was under the control of Makler Volkl in Switzerland.

That's where I went wrong.

So its disappointing to hear its under the control of Epic Sports, although their parent website continues to insist that the asset has been sold.

So there is some lack of clarity about your clarification.

Who is doing the product development in Bogen and who owns that company?

If it is ESI is that the same company that Amincor disposed of?

And what is Samsung C&T's role if ESI still owns product development?

What precisely is the relationship between Samsung, ESI and the company in Bogen?

Timbo's hopeless slice
10-18-2012, 08:17 PM
It's Marker Volkl, actually. (Marker used to be a stand alone binding company)

not that it has anything to do with the tennis business anymore anyway, but you may a s well get it right

vsbabolat
10-18-2012, 08:23 PM
Yes, product development is in Germany but I presumed it was under the control of Makler Volkl in Switzerland.

That's where I went wrong.

So its disappointing to hear its under the control of Epic Sports, although their parent website continues to insist that the asset has been sold.

So there is some lack of clarity about your clarification.

Who is doing the product development in Bogen and who owns that company?

If it is ESI is that the same company that Amincor disposed of?

And what is Samsung C&T's role if ESI still owns product development?

What precisely is the relationship between Samsung, ESI and the company in Bogen?

The facility in Bogen, Germany developing tennis racquets is a asset of Voelkl Tennis. If Samsung is now the licensee then its now under their control.

zapvor
10-18-2012, 08:46 PM
I spoke with the volkl ne tennis rep. He said having Samsung as a backer has been helpful and made things more reliable. He said the strings and new sticks were great too but he didn't mention anything about bb. Hopefully the London is still around.

yea exactly samsung is keeping them float.

the london is done.

Bartelby
10-18-2012, 09:55 PM
So the product development facility in Bogen may come with the license issued out of Switzerland by Marker Voelkl, which is now probably issued to Samsung C&T.

Bogen was not owned therefore by ESI of Solano but merely under its control for the duration of the license.

Although ESI is now no longer a company owned by Amincor to run Volkl/BB there was previously talk of a management buyout of the business.

Both Volkl and then Fischer got out of the tennis business, but are still in skis, which is not a good bill of health for the smaller players.

The reality is that as long as designs keep churning out of Bogen there will be product if its profitable, although it hardly seems a big earner or sensible investment for Samsung.



The facility in Bogen, Germany developing tennis racquets is a asset of Voelkl Tennis. If Samsung is now the licensee then its now under their control.

Pneumated1
10-19-2012, 06:41 AM
the london is done.

That's a shame. Mine probably still have at least a year of life in them, but I'm irritated enough by this whole Becker unraveling that I will likely never buy another frame if I cannot almost guarantee an update in a few years.

What I liked about the Becker frames is that they were largely traditional with integrated technology, unlike the new Volkl offerings, which are purely modern, imo. From what you've heard, should the consumer even hold out for future Becker frames, or is it time to move on? And I probably know the answer to that one already.

zapvor
10-19-2012, 11:43 AM
yea i know what you mean. samsung decided the shelf life was too long so dumped them. have faith though they are still in the game and still make good sticks! becker will be around. just nothing in the near future. more volkl line

lstewart
10-19-2012, 11:55 AM
I agree about the London frames. Hopefully there will be versions of them in the future.