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corners
10-24-2012, 01:10 PM
One man to beat each and Roger Federer and Grigor Dimitrov will meet for the first time in the Basel semis.

librarysteg
10-24-2012, 01:12 PM
We play a lot of Mario Kart so I love the "Baby Fed" nickname...like Baby Mario, Baby Peach. I like picturing Dimitrov like a little mini video game version of Federer.

Steve0904
10-24-2012, 01:33 PM
I hope this match happens. Would love to see it.

Towser83
10-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Hope this match happens!

The Bawss
10-24-2012, 01:42 PM
Grigor will no-look half-volley his way to a win against the GOAT!

forzamilan90
10-24-2012, 01:57 PM
my two fave players, if it happens it will be the first time I will prefer Roger to lose, so Grigor can get momentum

Towser83
10-24-2012, 02:21 PM
my two fave players, if it happens it will be the first time I will prefer Roger to lose, so Grigor can get momentum

yeah I agree i would actually like Grigor to win though it is unlikely

Gonzo_style
10-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Dimitrov will probably have to beat Davy in the quarterfinals, and this will be a very tough match for him.

MasturB
10-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Grigor will probably be so nervous playing his idol.

dimeaxe
10-24-2012, 02:53 PM
If they met, it would be demolition course:)

Clarky21
10-24-2012, 03:14 PM
Dimitrov is no "Baby Fed". Dimitrov is a wannabe Roger who attempts to copy everything he does,but isn't nearly good enough to pull it off.

PCXL-Fan
10-24-2012, 03:18 PM
The son shall inherit the thrown. That is how it has always been since time immemorial.

Gregor is the real deal, 12+ slams almost guaranteed bar terrible injury.

augustobt
10-24-2012, 04:27 PM
Dimitrov is no "Baby Fed". Dimitrov is a wannabe Roger who attempts to copy everything he does,but isn't nearly good enough to pull it off.

I wonder how much tennis do you watch...

corners
10-24-2012, 04:36 PM
Dimitrov is no "Baby Fed". Dimitrov is a wannabe Roger who attempts to copy everything he does,but isn't nearly good enough to pull it off.

I disagree. I think he's top 5 in the world on talent. He just needs more seasoning, and some wins to get his confidence rolling. The real question, as it always is for young and unproven players, is: Does he have it upstairs? If he does I think he'll make the top 10 within the next year. If not, I still think he has the talent to have a better career than someone like Gasquet, but it will be a painful career.

He's also not the first player to mimic the technique of an all-time great. Laver copied Hoad's game nearly stroke for stroke, and then Navratilova copied Laver's. Once you start winning slams nobody calls you a wannabe; they say you're smart for learning from the best. But I do think Grigor needs to build on the Federstroke foundation and develop something like his own style. But just with Fed, it takes time to figure out how to use your stroke equipment and your own individual talents to win.

corners
10-24-2012, 04:37 PM
Dimitrov will probably have to beat Davy in the quarterfinals, and this will be a very tough match for him.

Yeah, Davy's always been tough for Fed, will be tough for the Babe too. But Nikolai is pretty old, I think Grigor has an even money chance. (Wiley veteran could also crush him:(

Clarky21
10-24-2012, 04:39 PM
I wonder how much tennis do you watch...



Enough to know that Dimitrov isn't the next Federer. And enough to spot someone who has been hyped to the sky for years yet hasn't won a single ATP singles title yet. I'm not saying he isn't any good,it's just the comparisons to Fed are ridiculous and overblown.

cc0509
10-24-2012, 06:00 PM
Dimitrov is no "Baby Fed". Dimitrov is a wannabe Roger who attempts to copy everything he does,but isn't nearly good enough to pull it off.

I agree. Dimitrov is a million miles from being anything Federer, let alone "Baby Fed!" Dimitrov is way overrated imo.

cc0509
10-24-2012, 06:01 PM
Enough to know that Dimitrov isn't the next Federer. And enough to spot someone who has been hyped to the sky for years yet hasn't won a single ATP singles title yet. I'm not saying he isn't any good,it's just the comparisons to Fed are ridiculous and overblown.

Yep.........................

cc0509
10-24-2012, 06:02 PM
I wonder how much tennis do you watch...

She is absolutely correct.

beast of mallorca
10-24-2012, 06:06 PM
I wonder how much tennis do you watch...

That's all he does. Watch and whine :)
Never played the game....:twisted:

Steve0904
10-24-2012, 06:09 PM
She is absolutely correct.

Well we really don't know that yet, however I would tend to agree. If Dimitrov has 0.00001% of the career Federer has had that will be an accomplishment.

PCXL-Fan
10-24-2012, 06:11 PM
I disagree. I think he's top 5 in the world on talent. He just needs more seasoning, and some wins to get his confidence rolling. The real question, as it always is for young and unproven players, is: Does he have it upstairs? If he does I think he'll make the top 10 within the next year. If not, I still think he has the talent to have a better career than someone like Gasquet, but it will be a painful career.

He's also not the first player to mimic the technique of an all-time great. Laver copied Hoad's game nearly stroke for stroke, and then Navratilova copied Laver's. Once you start winning slams nobody calls you a wannabe; they say you're smart for learning from the best. But I do think Grigor needs to build on the Federstroke foundation and develop something like his own style. But just with Fed, it takes time to figure out how to use your stroke equipment and your own individual talents to win.

But Dimitrov won't win slams. Look at where all male muiltiple slam winners were in master series/slam level performance between between 19-21.
Dimotrov doesn't have the massive weapons (eg delpos preinjury forehand). Nor great footspeed seen in current top 4. Nor great nerves, nor great court tactics. Half of those things given the age he's at now he won't be improving on much.

I'd be blown away if Dimitrov wins 17 ATP tour titles (I don't count Challengers as those aren't atp level).

cc0509
10-24-2012, 06:20 PM
Well we really don't know that yet, however I would tend to agree. If Dimitrov has 0.00001% of the career Federer has had that will be an accomplishment.

We do know if past greats and their results by their teens have been any indication.

corners
10-24-2012, 07:29 PM
But Dimitrov won't win slams. Look at where all male muiltiple slam winners were in master series/slam level performance between between 19-21.
Dimotrov doesn't have the massive weapons (eg delpos preinjury forehand). Nor great footspeed seen in current top 4. Nor great nerves, nor great court tactics. Half of those things given the age he's at now he won't be improving on much.

I'd be blown away if Dimitrov wins 17 ATP tour titles (I don't count Challengers as those aren't atp level).

I know what you mean. He hasn't shown us much so far and maybe that means he won't. But I think it's still a hard call. Game is very tough at the moment - consistent quality deep into the rankings. I also think about his massive form/technique changes - the whole Federstroke graft he did a couple of years ago. That's some pretty radical change for a player his age and may have set back his career trajectory by a couple years. I remember Sampras saying that 19 year olds can't or shouldn't change their strokes. Well, Grigor did it, and he's already higher ranked now than he was with his old strokes. That's an accomplishment in itself, and his shots can only get better from here. If he can get some confidence and firm up his mind I think he's got GS potential. (And that's where beating Papa Fed this week comes in ! :) ) But who knows? Part of my optimism comes from my desire to see the free-flowing style continue on into the next generation. I'm not looking forward to watching Djokovic vs. Raonic and Murray vs. random power baseliner that much once Fed's retired.

BrooklynNY
10-24-2012, 07:39 PM
I remember Sampras saying that 19 year olds can't or shouldn't change their strokes. .

Where did he say that

Grigor has a nice looking game because its virtually a watered down version of Federers....

His problem is that his strokes are still pretty frail and he lacks that pop and power that Fed has seemingly effortlessly.

Having all the game and talent in the world is great, but sometimes you need to just rely on good old power tennis, I don't think he has that yet, or ever will.

We'll see.

hyperwarrior
10-24-2012, 07:45 PM
I've been following that closely and I'm praying so hard to see that happening... Let's pray all togethe guys!!!

hyperwarrior
10-24-2012, 07:55 PM
Enough to know that Dimitrov isn't the next Federer. And enough to spot someone who has been hyped to the sky for years yet hasn't won a single ATP singles title yet. I'm not saying he isn't any good,it's just the comparisons to Fed are ridiculous and overblown.

You really don't get it, do you? Maybe we're saying he's a Baby Fed because his groundstroke is quite similar to Fed...didn't you thought about it? Obviously not!

AM95
10-24-2012, 08:36 PM
i will skip school to watch this

sureshs
10-24-2012, 08:38 PM
Isn't Grigor the guy who also plays with the 90?

Clarky21
10-24-2012, 08:55 PM
You really don't get it, do you? Maybe we're saying he's a Baby Fed because his groundstroke is quite similar to Fed...didn't you thought about it? Obviously not!


I think it is you who doesn't get it. I already said that just because Dimitrov tries his hardest to copy everything Fed does,doesn't make him Fed. He's not even near good enough to deserve all the hype he gets,and has done a whole lot of nothing to be compared to the GOAT the way he is. The only reason he is even talked about is because he's a Fed copycat. *******s hope and pray he will turn out to be as good,but it's never going to happen. He's never even won an ATP title yet folks around here are talking up his slam chances. It's ridiculous.

Russeljones
10-24-2012, 09:50 PM
Dimitrov is no "Baby Fed". Dimitrov is a wannabe Roger who attempts to copy everything he does,but isn't nearly good enough to pull it off.

Come on let's all hug Clarky! GROUP HUUUUUG!

kalyan4fedever
10-24-2012, 10:15 PM
baby fed Lol , come back after he wins a slam

Zarfot Z
10-24-2012, 11:55 PM
If this does happen, they may as well give Federer a walkover into the finals. Dimitrov is a smaller, flatter hitting version of Federer. It's like pitting a child against an adult in a game of Scrabble.

joeri888
10-24-2012, 11:58 PM
*******s are becoming Grigortards quickly here.

The Bawss
10-25-2012, 12:38 AM
*******s are becoming Grigortards quickly here.

I don't know what that is all about. Who cares, if they meet, Grigor will get molested.

PCXL-Fan
10-25-2012, 12:47 AM
Well joeri888, Dimitrov's is Swiss, has been beating top 10 players consistantly, is still only 19, and winning numerous small ATP250, so its easy to see why we might get a little ahead of ourselves.

joeri888
10-25-2012, 12:55 AM
Well joeri888, Dimitrov's is Swiss, has been beating top 10 players consistantly, is still only 19, and winning numerous small ATP250, so its easy to see why we might get a little ahead of ourselves.

??
You ARE getting ahead of yourselves. Not saying he wont do nothing, but the things I like Roger for the most (footwork, forehand) Grigor does not seem to have.

sixone90
10-25-2012, 01:02 AM
Isn't Grigor the guy who also plays with the 90?

He actually plays with a 93" headsize version of the Six One 90

Paullaconte1
10-25-2012, 01:11 AM
I would be fantastic seeing these 2 playing together and I think it will happen no in Basel.. or at least... I hope so!

NDFM
10-25-2012, 01:52 AM
I hope this happens, come on Dimitrov win your next match!!!

augustobt
10-25-2012, 01:54 AM
That's all he does. Watch and whine :)
Never played the game....:twisted:

But seriously watching you can learn somethings... That's not her case, obviously.

Russeljones
10-25-2012, 03:01 AM
Well joeri888, Dimitrov's is Swiss, has been beating top 10 players consistantly, is still only 19, and winning numerous small ATP250, so its easy to see why we might get a little ahead of ourselves.

I see what you did there :)

Steve0904
10-25-2012, 03:13 AM
I hope this happens, come on Dimitrov win your next match!!!

Or maybe we're worrying about the wrong person. Federer's lucky if he gets through let alone Dimitrov, the way Fed played yesterday.

NDFM
10-25-2012, 03:39 AM
Or maybe we're worrying about the wrong person. Federer's lucky if he gets through let alone Dimitrov, the way Fed played yesterday.

I haven't seen how Fed's playing in Basel but I how bad was he, was it similar to how he was in Shanghai? But i know he can beat Paire/Kubot

augustobt
10-25-2012, 05:22 AM
Or maybe we're worrying about the wrong person. Federer's lucky if he gets through let alone Dimitrov, the way Fed played yesterday.

If he plays like the first set, he will win Basel, Paris and WTF again.

If he plays like the second, probably will ending losing for some clown in Paris 3R.

Steve0904
10-25-2012, 06:01 AM
I haven't seen how Fed's playing in Basel but I how bad was he, was it similar to how he was in Shanghai? But i know he can beat Paire/Kubot

Bellucci served well, I'll give him that, but it was more Fed's returning that was the problem IMHO. First set was ok, not spectacular. He just got an early break in the 2nd game because Bellucci made a few rusty errors, and held serve the rest of the way. The 2nd and 3rd sets however, were nothing short of brutal. He still held serve of course, because he can get ahead in most rallies from the start with his serve or just hit aces or service winners, his FH was alright, but his BH was terrible. He could barely string two good BH's in a row together so he was losing a lot of groundstroke rallies, and thus not breaking serve hence the tight scoreline.

Steve0904
10-25-2012, 06:01 AM
If he plays like the first set, he will win Basel, Paris and WTF again.

If he plays like the second, probably will ending losing for some clown in Paris 3R.

First set wasn't THAT good. I agree on the 2nd and 3rd though.

augustobt
10-25-2012, 06:12 AM
Wasn't that good? Man, the set took almost the same time that he had to bagel Nadal in WTF last year.

Steve0904
10-25-2012, 06:46 AM
Wasn't that good? Man, the set took almost the same time that he had to bagel Nadal in WTF last year.

Yeah so? Time means nothing. The only reason it probably took the same time is because Nadal plays slower than Bellucci/everyone except maybe Djokovic.

corners
10-25-2012, 09:07 AM
Davydenko is out. Path to he sub-ultimate showdown now clearly more clear for Baby Fed!

PCXL-Fan
10-25-2012, 09:17 AM
I can't wait for the family reunion. Son meets arrogant father who abandoned him at a young age to pursue a high pay career.
This might be a turning point in Dimitrovs career and an emotional turning point where Dimitrov gets rid of his demons & resentment towards his father and get closure and grow up.

I think after this match regardless of the results Dimitrov will go onto assume his father's mantel and win a Grandslam in 2013.

underground
10-25-2012, 09:28 AM
Fed at the start of the 1st set was rather good. 2nd set was too shanky. 3rd set was actually alright except for the BH and couldn't do much with Bellucci's serve, but his FH was working and his service games were held without much trouble.

Clarky21
10-25-2012, 10:28 AM
I can't wait for the family reunion. Son meets arrogant father who abandoned him at a young age to pursue a high pay career.
This might be a turning point in Dimitrovs career and an emotional turning point where Dimitrov gets rid of his demons & resentment towards his father and get closure and grow up.

I think after this match regardless of the results Dimitrov will go onto assume his father's mantel and win a Grandslam in 2013.



Not in a million years.

6-1 6-3 6-0
10-25-2012, 10:32 AM
Actually, Dimitrov ("Baby Fed", even though "Papa Fed" is even more of a baby) may very well go on to have a Federer-like record, since he has a losing record against Nadal, just like Federer.

beast of mallorca
10-25-2012, 10:40 AM
Actually, Dimitrov ("Baby Fed", even though "Papa Fed" is even more of a baby) may very well go on to have a Federer-like record, since he has a losing record against Nadal, just like Federer.

Hahaha........sweet

PCXL-Fan
10-25-2012, 10:45 AM
Not in a million years.

2013 is a single year. Ironically its 10 years apart from where Federer won his first slam. Dimitrov is only 19 years old, is half swiss on his fathers side, has won several ATP250 events, and consistently beat a number of top 10 players, and has given a good Federer like cry when running short against Tim in the Bulgarian ATP250 final a year ago.

beast of mallorca
10-25-2012, 10:51 AM
2013 is a single year. Ironically its 10 years apart from where Federer won his first slam. Dimitrov is only 19 years old, is half swiss on his fathers side, has won several ATP250 events, and contently beat a number of top 10 players, and has given a good Federer like cry when running short against Tim in the Bulgarian ATP250 final a year ago.

You should know by now, Clarky is all quack with her predictions. Her over the top
statements are bordering schizophrenic. Just saying. So take her post with a grain of coke.....:)

Russeljones
10-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Actually, Dimitrov ("Baby Fed", even though "Papa Fed" is even more of a baby) may very well go on to have a Federer-like record, since he has a losing record against Nadal, just like Federer.

I don't remember 17 year old Federer battering Nadal indoor in Rotterdam..

Clarky21
10-25-2012, 11:29 AM
2013 is a single year. Ironically its 10 years apart from where Federer won his first slam. Dimitrov is only 19 years old, is half swiss on his fathers side, has won several ATP250 events, and consistently beat a number of top 10 players, and has given a good Federer like cry when running short against Tim in the Bulgarian ATP250 final a year ago.


Dimitrov is actually 21 years old. He should have won something by now if he is to go on to win a bazillion slams like people keep predicting.

Mainad
10-25-2012, 11:57 AM
2013 is a single year. Ironically its 10 years apart from where Federer won his first slam. Dimitrov is only 19 years old, is half swiss on his fathers side, has won several ATP250 events, and consistently beat a number of top 10 players, and has given a good Federer like cry when running short against Tim in the Bulgarian ATP250 final a year ago.

I think you must be confusing him with some other player. Dimitrov is 21 (born 16 May 1991), was born in Bulgaria to Bulgarian parents and has not yet won any main tour ATP titles!

Russeljones
10-25-2012, 01:40 PM
I think you must be confusing him with some other player. Dimitrov is 21 (born 16 May 1991), was born in Bulgaria to Bulgarian parents and has not yet won any main tour ATP titles!

It was sarcasm :(

The Bawss
10-25-2012, 01:57 PM
I think you must be confusing him with some other player. Dimitrov is 21 (born 16 May 1991), was born in Bulgaria to Bulgarian parents and has not yet won any main tour ATP titles!

Lolilol. Must be cold in Scotland this time of year.

Russeljones
10-25-2012, 09:57 PM
Dimitrov vs PHM for the chance of a lifetime right?

I think his heart might begin to flutter already.

The Bawss
10-26-2012, 12:23 AM
Dimitrov vs PHM for the chance of a lifetime right?

I think his heart might begin to flutter already.

Trouble is Mathieu has game when he's on. Could be a very tight match.

sbengte
10-26-2012, 12:29 AM
I am sure PHM will play spoilsport and ruin this dream match up :neutral: If only baby Fed can get past PHM , he will destroy Papa Fed in front of his home crowd :twisted:

Russeljones
10-26-2012, 01:56 AM
I am sure PHM will play spoilsport and ruin this dream match up :neutral: If only baby Fed can get past PHM , he will destroy Papa Fed in front of his home crowd :twisted:

Both Dimitrov and PHM had long matches leading to this one. I think Dimitrov really feeds on his confidence level and going by that I'd hazard a miniscule bet on the young Bulgarian. :)

Ms Nadal
10-26-2012, 02:05 AM
Can Dimitrov do anything againt FedEx? We will see if they meet.

augustobt
10-26-2012, 02:19 AM
I think that based on actual form, Dimitrov should take Mathieu in 2 close sets. Maybe lost a breaker, but should prevail.

underground
10-26-2012, 02:48 AM
LOL Dmitrov will be the one who plays Federer back into form in Basel. :twisted:

joeri888
10-26-2012, 11:10 AM
LOL Dmitrov will be the one who plays Federer back into form in Basel. :twisted:

http://http://andreasjenk.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/computer-says-no.gif?w=300&h=241

kishnabe
10-26-2012, 12:56 PM
Dimitrov served for the first set, had 2 mp on Matty serve. Still messes it up.

Second set, Matty up 5-3, Dimmy broke back. Went to tiebreaker again.

Made **** of his opputunites.

When will the mini maestro play the concordian Maestro.

hyperwarrior
10-26-2012, 08:22 PM
**** it didn't happens...Oh well, next time then!!!

sbengte
10-27-2012, 03:32 AM
**** it didn't happens...Oh well, next time then!!!

Wimby 2013, R16. Passing of the baton ;-)

Polvorin
10-28-2012, 08:20 AM
Too bad this one didn't happen. Was hoping the master could give a lesson to his disciple.

Sabratha
10-28-2012, 08:23 AM
Too bad this didn't happen.

PCXL-Fan
10-28-2012, 04:24 PM
Too bad this one didn't happen. Was hoping the master could give a lesson to his disciple.

Lol you troll, father and son relationship should not be described in such a rigidly defined manner. There is a whole spectrum of additional complexities such love and caring, plus the teaching goes both ways.

Smasher08
10-29-2012, 07:56 AM
Dimitrov is actually 21 years old. He should have won something by now if he is to go on to win a bazillion slams like people keep predicting.

Yep, or had a notable win over a top 5 player, or done anything notable . . . other than this:

http://movementsandnonsense.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/usopen-postgame-kiss.jpg