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tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 10:42 AM
Some wall hitting at lunch time, please critique my forehand/backhand. Thanks.

http://youtu.be/fbzm2t5O4Lo

UCSF2012
11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Every shot would've gone long in a real court. Don't punish the wall. You're learning the wrong thing.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 11:27 AM
In fact they wouldn't. They are the exact shot I made on court. Not sure about your "WRONG THING".

Every shot would've gone long in a real court. Don't punish the wall. You're learning the wrong thing.

psv255
11-14-2012, 12:11 PM
Good shoulder and hip rotation, decent power!

You look to be swinging across your body quite a bit on your forehand (sub-par footwork?), which results in your body leaning over to your left as you're following through.
Also, it seems like you're hitting more off the back foot, so I'd suggest keeping your weight more forward.

Consistent, if slightly stiff, backhand. Can't offer anything on the 2HBH, sorry!

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 12:23 PM
Good observation. Thanks!

Good shoulder and hip rotation, decent power!

You look to be swinging across your body quite a bit on your forehand (sub-par footwork?), which results in your body leaning over to your left as you're following through.
Also, it seems like you're hitting more off the back foot, so I'd suggest keeping your weight more forward.

Consistent, if slightly stiff, backhand. Can't offer anything on the 2HBH, sorry!

UCSF2012
11-14-2012, 01:06 PM
I see, you're fishing for compliments, not critiques.

Hard, flat shots with 3-5 ft net clearance. Hit so hard you can take them off the first bounce. Of course those are staying in.

vil
11-14-2012, 01:56 PM
Lucky, you've got white shirt in that video, otherwise you would be completely invisible against that dark wall.:) I think you should position camera a bit closer, or place it behind you on some pedestal or ( I use rubbish bin) something that will elevate the view and bring it closer in detail. One problem sometimes with wall is, it tends to rush your strokes. It's great for footwork workout but not super ideal for shot making. I sometimes hit the wall as well, when I have no partner,I get new balls that bounce well. That way I can stand a bit further away, taking medium pace balls, still hit them after one bounce but more importantly, it will give me extra time to prepare for the shot and get my feet right.

TomT
11-14-2012, 02:09 PM
I think you should position camera a bit closer, or place it behind you on some pedestal or ( I use rubbish bin) something that will elevate the view and bring it closer in detail.Agree. Some sort of tripod about head high and behind is the best, imo. Funny you should mention rubbish bin, as that's what I've been using as my "tripod". Must get a real one. :)

One problem sometimes with wall is, it tends to rush your strokes. It's great for footwork workout but not super ideal for shot making. I sometimes hit the wall as well, when I have no partner,I get new balls that bounce well. That way I can stand a bit further away, taking medium pace balls, still hit them after one bounce but more importantly, it will give me extra time to prepare for the shot and get my feet right.Yeah, agree. I watched your wall vid. Nice hitting. It's hard for me to tell if OP in this thread is the optimal distance from the wall.

TomT
11-14-2012, 02:11 PM
Some wall hitting at lunch time, please critique my forehand/backhand. Thanks.

http://youtu.be/fbzm2t5O4LoEnjoyed watching the vid. Thanks for posting. I'm not qualified to critique. Your strokes seem pretty solid to me.

Sky_Boy
11-14-2012, 02:40 PM
i would suggest split stepping.. your also using alot of upper body to generate power.. greater knee bend would help...

5263
11-14-2012, 02:43 PM
I see, you're fishing for compliments, not critiques.

Hard, flat shots with 3-5 ft net clearance. Hit so hard you can take them off the first bounce. Of course those are staying in.

I think he is right that they will stay in. He has good TS and I think his rt to left
action is a strength not a weakness as another posted. It might be bad if he
moved his head too much or was off balance....but he doesn't and isn't!
His excellent TS will keep those strong shots in nicely in most cases I expect and
this is much like what I describe when talking of biting topspin shots vs the loopy
ones most post about.

Nice vid and looking very good!

sureshs
11-14-2012, 03:16 PM
Wall is completely lacking in footwork and will never become a 4.5.

Seriously, you have the physical and mental energy to do this in an intense way, and that is really fantastic. I would just get bored.

One thing I would like to know is how much topspin you are putting on the ball. I find that when I put a lot of spin, the ball will not come back the way it is coming back to you. It will "reflect" sideways a lot more and dip down and die earlier after the bounce. Is this a wall with some special anti-spin coating like some table tennis rubbers?

LeeD
11-14-2012, 03:32 PM
Looks very good.
Nice stroke, nice spin control and pace.
Hard to split step when hitting against a wall.
So, are you a 4.0? You hit good enough to be better, but match play is always a different animal.

njboy
11-14-2012, 04:56 PM
Some wall hitting at lunch time, please critique my forehand/backhand. Thanks.

http://youtu.be/fbzm2t5O4Lo
Good. Keep going.

Bowtiesarecool
11-14-2012, 05:08 PM
My back hurts just watching your vid.

sundaypunch
11-14-2012, 06:51 PM
I think it's great. You make good contact with the ball and seem to have good control. Most of the shots looked like they would have been staying in play to me. It's not easy to keep a consistent rally going on the wall for 4-minutes (although most here will tell you otherwise).

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:17 PM
That's not what I meant. If you say everything is wrong, at least you can point out a few and correct me?

I don't hit flat, I hit topspin with a semi-western forehand.

I see, you're fishing for compliments, not critiques.

Hard, flat shots with 3-5 ft net clearance. Hit so hard you can take them off the first bounce. Of course those are staying in.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:20 PM
The ball I used today are almost dead. I usually stand at baseline. The camera I put at the stairs, can't move the stair. :)

Lucky, you've got white shirt in that video, otherwise you would be completely invisible against that dark wall.:) I think you should position camera a bit closer, or place it behind you on some pedestal or ( I use rubbish bin) something that will elevate the view and bring it closer in detail. One problem sometimes with wall is, it tends to rush your strokes. It's great for footwork workout but not super ideal for shot making. I sometimes hit the wall as well, when I have no partner,I get new balls that bounce well. That way I can stand a bit further away, taking medium pace balls, still hit them after one bounce but more importantly, it will give me extra time to prepare for the shot and get my feet right.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:21 PM
Thanks. I happen to be in the south palm beach area. :)

Enjoyed watching the vid. Thanks for posting. I'm not qualified to critique. Your strokes seem pretty solid to me.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Thanks. From the video I barely bent my knees...

i would suggest split stepping.. your also using alot of upper body to generate power.. greater knee bend would help...

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:23 PM
Thanks for the compliments.

I think he is right that they will stay in. He has good TS and I think his rt to left
action is a strength not a weakness as another posted. It might be bad if he
moved his head too much or was off balance....but he doesn't!
His excellent TS will keep those strong shot in nicely in most cases I expect and
this much like what I describe when talking of biting topspin shots vs the loopy
ones most post about.

Nice vid and looking very good!

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
The balls are just regular balls, or whatever balls I can find arround the court, LOL

I really don't know how much topspin I get, but the ball didn't bounce side ways...

Wall is completely lacking in footwork and will never become a 4.5.

Seriously, you have the physical and mental energy to do this in an intense way, and that is really fantastic. I would just get bored.

One thing I would like to know is how much topspin you are putting on the ball. I find that when I put a lot of spin, the ball will not come back the way it is coming back to you. It will "reflect" sideways a lot more and dip down and die earlier after the bounce. Is this a wall with some special anti-spin coating like some table tennis rubbers?

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:30 PM
Thanks LeeD. My ground strokes can hang with 4.0 players, but overall game I would say around 3.5? Don't play usta so no official rating. My volley and mental sucks at matches, serve is so so...

Looks very good.
Nice stroke, nice spin control and pace.
Hard to split step when hitting against a wall.
So, are you a 4.0? You hit good enough to be better, but match play is always a different animal.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
Thanks dehen. How is your ball machine, I am thinking of one...

Good. Keep going.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:33 PM
sorry about that ...

My back hurts just watching your vid.

tennisfan2k
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Thanks. I play the wall everyday

I think it's great. You make good contact with the ball and seem to have good control. Most of the shots looked like they would have been staying in play to me. It's not easy to keep a consistent rally going on the wall for 4-minutes (although most here will tell you otherwise).

5263
11-14-2012, 08:46 PM
Thanks for the compliments.

You are welcome!
And I went back and corrected most of my typos there, lol.

firepanda
11-14-2012, 08:52 PM
I know that you're in trackpants and don't want to build up a sweat, but your footwork could be improved. You're doing minimal work to get to the ball and taking a swing. This might be something to do with the fact you're playing the wall, though.

Your groundstrokes themselves are solid.

Sky_Boy
11-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Thanks. I play the wall everyday

Lol... u play the wall everyday??? why?

TheCheese
11-14-2012, 11:33 PM
Looks pretty good. It'd be nice to see some actual points, it's a lot different when you have to actually move.

5263
11-15-2012, 05:37 AM
and the folks who have a problem with your footwork must have never hit on
a wall before. It is more work for you feet than playing by far imo. Only running
for corner balls in a match can compare, but against a wall you can have to run
for one like that as well. Not as often though usually. Against the wall there is
way less time to get ready!

tennisfan2k
11-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Lunch break, and ends up only wall tennis, no time for lunch, LOL

Lol... u play the wall everyday??? why?

sundaypunch
11-15-2012, 08:52 PM
Lol... u play the wall everyday??? why?

Some people like to hit and don't have access to a court and/or practice partners. It also is an excellent form of practice. No, you don't know exactly where your shots are landing and they don't come back to you just like an opponent hits.

If you are not a super high-level player and use the wall enough to consistently hit 100 hard forehands and backhands in a row, your consistency on the court will be hugely improved. How about 100 BH slices in a row within a 2-3 foot height over the net line?

Mick3391
11-15-2012, 09:13 PM
Some wall hitting at lunch time, please critique my forehand/backhand. Thanks.

http://youtu.be/fbzm2t5O4Lo

I'm so good I can defeat a wall in match play:)

Funny thing about the wall, the top Varsity guys on my sons team were kind of, well, average, but then they play against the wall and look incredible. Playing against a wall is playing against yourself in a way, that is you can dictate where your returns will come, kind of like hitting a punching bag and thinking "I am the greatest", then boxing someone for real, big difference!

I am a big wall fan though:)

enishi1357
11-15-2012, 09:27 PM
is it just me or is your backhand is late most of the time

TennisCJC
11-16-2012, 04:41 AM
Overall, good technique. I have 2 suggestions.

1. On both your FH and BH, you have a pause in your loop. You pivot to the side with shoulders/hands, then you start your loop to contact. But, you pause at the back of the loop. It is more prevalent on the BH. It looked like you almost stop on your BH loop. Try making the pivot/prep to side with your shoulders. Then when you start the swing make it continuous to contact. Backswing can be very small, actual loop with hands can be very small; but you can still hit it hard if your hands are relaxed and you let it flow from legs and shoulders.

2. Try lifting more with legs. You are rotating forward but if you get more lift into the rotation, you'll get more topspin and can hit aggressively with margin.

njboy
11-17-2012, 05:14 AM
Thanks dehen. How is your ball machine, I am thinking of one...

700 for machine and also bought 100$ balls.

TomT
11-17-2012, 11:46 AM
Thanks. I happen to be in the south palm beach area. :)Cool. Send me an email if you want to come to Fort Lauderdale and hit sometime. I'm sure you'd beat me easily in a competitive match, but just hitting, doing drills, whatever, would be fun.

tennisfan2k
11-20-2012, 05:59 AM
Agree. Wall is my most reliable partner :)

Some people like to hit and don't have access to a court and/or practice partners. It also is an excellent form of practice. No, you don't know exactly where your shots are landing and they don't come back to you just like an opponent hits.

If you are not a super high-level player and use the wall enough to consistently hit 100 hard forehands and backhands in a row, your consistency on the court will be hugely improved. How about 100 BH slices in a row within a 2-3 foot height over the net line?

tennisfan2k
11-20-2012, 06:01 AM
You are right, it tends to give me that fantansy. When hitting with people, I am back to reality :(

I'm so good I can defeat a wall in match play:)

Funny thing about the wall, the top Varsity guys on my sons team were kind of, well, average, but then they play against the wall and look incredible. Playing against a wall is playing against yourself in a way, that is you can dictate where your returns will come, kind of like hitting a punching bag and thinking "I am the greatest", then boxing someone for real, big difference!

I am a big wall fan though:)

tennisfan2k
11-20-2012, 06:03 AM
Good advice, thanks.

Overall, good technique. I have 2 suggestions.

1. On both your FH and BH, you have a pause in your loop. You pivot to the side with shoulders/hands, then you start your loop to contact. But, you pause at the back of the loop. It is more prevalent on the BH. It looked like you almost stop on your BH loop. Try making the pivot/prep to side with your shoulders. Then when you start the swing make it continuous to contact. Backswing can be very small, actual loop with hands can be very small; but you can still hit it hard if your hands are relaxed and you let it flow from legs and shoulders.

2. Try lifting more with legs. You are rotating forward but if you get more lift into the rotation, you'll get more topspin and can hit aggressively with margin.

tennisfan2k
11-20-2012, 06:04 AM
Definitely.

Cool. Send me an email if you want to come to Fort Lauderdale and hit sometime. I'm sure you'd beat me easily in a competitive match, but just hitting, doing drills, whatever, would be fun.

nyc
11-20-2012, 06:29 AM
a couple of pointers:

I know it's fun and exhilarating crushing the ball - and there's a time and place for that, but if the purpose is to groove your technique, I suggest you slow down and focus on the whole kinetic chain. Start slow and focus on a smooth movement, involving your whole body.

One thing you don't do consistently is loading up properly on a low foundation and engage your non-hitting arm properly.

I would start with that, focus on getting low and practice a smooth, balanced movement. Don't worry about power, or if the ball supposedly goes long or short at that point. It's all about finding a smooth, balanced and relaxed movement and get that into muscle memory.

This video is a good example on a proper load up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyoprgixTs

look at 1:57 - and don't worry about getting air, but rather focus on the low load up he's demonstrating there.

That's all I would start with - good luck and post some progress!