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[ GTR ]
11-16-2012, 05:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGvfKpppmVY&feature=g-all-lik

TennisCJC
11-16-2012, 05:27 AM
SWAG would be 5.0 but he looks young. He might have trouble winning against 5.0 adults.

ShoeShiner
11-16-2012, 06:27 AM
Higher than NTRP 6.0.

rufus_smith
11-16-2012, 07:38 AM
one is a pro

cluckcluck
11-16-2012, 07:56 AM
Sweet S&V at 1:30. Definitely 5.5. This is just a practice match, so seeing him under the real pressure of a match would make ranking him easier.

woodrow1029
11-16-2012, 08:07 AM
We need the true Judge here. Calling LeeD to tell everyone that he is a 3.5, maybe 4.0.

Thud and blunder
11-16-2012, 08:53 AM
SWAG would be 5.0 but he looks young. He might have trouble winning against 5.0 adults.

C'mon; 5.0's are rubbish...

kiteboard
11-16-2012, 08:58 AM
I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him. (But they are really 5.0 liars sand bagging.)

RoddickAce
11-16-2012, 09:02 AM
Prolly 6.5

sunof tennis
11-16-2012, 09:20 AM
He is clearly 5.0+. At that point, a rating is pretty meaningless. He is no doubt a serious player and for serious players it is all about match wins and eventally ranking points.

psYcon
11-16-2012, 09:25 AM
6.0+
whoever is saying 5.0 is clearly mistaken. watch a 5.0 play on video and you will see the obvious difference.

WildVolley
11-16-2012, 09:29 AM
3.5 at best!

It would be better to see actual match play. He's going high risk and mostly making it in this video. I'd like to see how he hits during a real match, as I don't think he'd be quite as loose and aggressive in match play. I'm not necessarily against low net clearance, but there's a lot of net skimming going on here.

I thought he looked short, but maybe that other guy is very tall, and then I can read between the lines and see the guy is a junior. Hopefully, he'll grow a little taller. How's he doing in the Junior rankings?

enishi1357
11-16-2012, 09:58 AM
he hit like an younger federer, however he still have much to learn before he plays like the now federer. Imagine playing in a younger federer body but has the skills of a experience federer. HE WOULD BE GOD

LeeD
11-16-2012, 10:13 AM
Clearly A/Open or 5.5. Both can play Futures and Q's with no problems.
Woodrow, I can see why you are a head judge. You are totally biased and driven by preconceptions.
4.5, they'd breadstick.
7.0's, they get breadsticked by the top 50.

MomentumGT
11-16-2012, 10:13 AM
The guy is good no question about it. NTRP ratings are meaningless as he is clearly an open tournament player. Ranking wise who knows unless we can look him up. With that kind of skill who wants to be handicapped with ntrp ratings lol

-Jon

woodrow1029
11-16-2012, 10:20 AM
Clearly A/Open or 5.5. Both can play Futures and Q's with no problems.
Woodrow, I can see why you are a head judge. You are totally biased and driven by preconceptions.
4.5, they'd breadstick.
7.0's, they get breadsticked by the top 50.

:-)

BTW, a 5.5 can play Q's AT futures, but in main draw, would not have much chance at all.

LeeD
11-16-2012, 10:27 AM
Really? I and everyone else didn't know that.
Thanks for the enlightened insight :shock::shock:
See, I was right about you.

treblings
11-16-2012, 10:28 AM
have you figured out, who the player in the video is?:)

janm
11-16-2012, 10:40 AM
http://www.**********.net/tennis-player/akira-santillan/47625/profile.html ?

janm
11-16-2012, 10:42 AM
Akira D. Santillan ? sorry don't know what happened to the link above

5263
11-16-2012, 10:50 AM
This guy could spot Cali 5.0s 3 games per set and win in straights.
Looks better than those D1 players guys are often posting imo.
Reminds me of the touch and feel of Genepri but with more power than
Robby had at 16.

dominikk1985
11-16-2012, 10:50 AM
:-)

BTW, a 5.5 can play Q's AT futures, but in main draw, would not have much chance at all.

well that guy is like 13-14 years old. He is really good, I would asume he is like top15 in the nation in his age group or better. he just needs to get taller and stronger than he will be a very good player probably world ranked.

Of course he can now not play in the pros because he is too small but when he is 17-18 and fully grown he likely will be able to do so.

5263
11-16-2012, 10:52 AM
I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him. (But they are really 5.0 liars sand bagging.)

I think you need to take a second look :)

MomentumGT
11-16-2012, 10:55 AM
I think you need to take a second look :)

I think he's trying to be funny lol.

-Jon

treblings
11-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Santillan is a 15 year old australian whos ranked 350 in the itf juniors.
i´m not familiar with ntrp, 4.5., 5.0.?

tennis_balla
11-16-2012, 10:59 AM
NTRP here is about as useful as a handbrake on a canoe.

5263
11-16-2012, 10:59 AM
I think he's trying to be funny lol.

-Jon

I hope.....

Cheetah
11-16-2012, 11:13 AM
I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him. (But they are really 5.0 liars sand bagging.)

No you haven't.

Cheetah
11-16-2012, 11:13 AM
I think he's trying to be funny lol.

-Jon

oh. ok.
....

TomT
11-16-2012, 10:45 PM
;7019405']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGvfKpppmVY&feature=g-all-likBoth guys are so far above my level that I have no idea. Just enjoyed watching the vid. Thanks for posting.

DavaiMarat
11-16-2012, 11:23 PM
Kinda looks the same level and size of a young donald young when I watched him practice at the 2007 us open. Isnt Donald like a 4.5 by some people's book in this forum? So he must be really a 3.5 am I right?

You guys are ridonkolous! I remember Mark from his playing days on the tour. So that should give you this kids level.

Love the comment about adult 5.0s giving him problems. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!

TomT
11-16-2012, 11:28 PM
Kinda looks the same level and size of a young donald young when I watched him practice at the 2007 us open. Isnt Donald like a 4.5 by some people's book in this forum? So he must be really a 3.5 am I right?

You guys are ridonkolous! I remember Mark from his playing days on the tour. So that should give you this kids level.

Love the comment about adult 5.0s giving him problems. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!Agree. From my experience, these guys are exceptional ball strokers. If the kid in the white shirt is only 15, then it would seem that he could eventually become an extremely proficient tennis player ... maybe even a regular international tournament player on some level.

EDIT: Who's Mark?

[ GTR ]
11-17-2012, 03:00 AM
Agree. From my experience, these guys are exceptional ball strokers. If the kid in the white shirt is only 15, then it would seem that he could eventually become an extremely proficient tennis player ... maybe even a regular international tournament player on some level.

EDIT: Who's Mark?

Mark Draper is the other player in the video who is a former pro. I searched up the guy is in the white shirt, hes qualified for a futures tournament before and is top 100 nationally in Australia.

5263
11-17-2012, 07:32 AM
This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!

Excellent comment.

dominikk1985
11-17-2012, 07:50 AM
;7020987']Mark Draper is the other player in the video who is a former pro. I searched up the guy is in the white shirt, hes qualified for a futures tournament before and is top 100 nationally in Australia.

Is mark draper related to scott draper?

luishcorreia
11-17-2012, 08:52 AM
Looks like a top junior or low level open player.

PrimeChoice
11-17-2012, 08:57 AM
we'll give em' the 6.0, but yeah

pvaudio
11-17-2012, 09:15 AM
Looks like a top junior or low level open player.
The kid is 15 and is playing international junior tourneys. Made the semi's in Japan this year.

djokovicgonzalez2010
11-17-2012, 09:18 AM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Sa/A/Akira-Santillan.aspx

Has 1 doubles win on Pro Tour

pvaudio
11-17-2012, 09:22 AM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Sa/A/Akira-Santillan.aspx

Has 1 doubles win on Pro Tour
This doesn't matter, obviously norcal 4.5s could beat him.

TomT
11-17-2012, 12:38 PM
;7020987']Mark Draper is the other player in the video who is a former pro. I searched up the guy is in the white shirt, hes qualified for a futures tournament before and is top 100 nationally in Australia.Ok, thanks. Yeah, these guys are world class strokers, imho.

Torres
11-17-2012, 01:20 PM
I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him.

You really are utterly clueless.

WildVolley
11-17-2012, 01:20 PM
The kid is 15 and is playing international junior tourneys. Made the semi's in Japan this year.

What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

dominikk1985
11-17-2012, 02:01 PM
Is he really 15? he looks like 13 in that video. is that a current video?

Maybe that is because he is asian:D. but serious skills. I would even say he is already as good as tonlars.

TomT
11-17-2012, 02:06 PM
Is he really 15? he looks like 13 in that video. is that a current video?

Maybe that is because he is asian:D. but serious skills. I would even say he is already as good as tonlars.He looks about 15 ... to me. :)

Torres
11-17-2012, 03:04 PM
What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

Have a look at the winners of Junior Wimbledon and the other slams since 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_boys%27_singles_champions

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking out of any of those guys even when they were 15-16 y/o.

Have a look at his ITF singles record.

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking him out. Only the deluded would think that.

WildVolley
11-17-2012, 03:22 PM
Have a look at the winners of Junior Wimbledon and the other slams since 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_boys%27_singles_champions

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking out of any of those guys even when they were 15-16 y/o.

Yes, a lot of them become legitimate 7.0s who make a good living playing tennis on the tour. So perhaps would we rate this junior as a 5.5-6.0?

I honestly don't really know the difference between a 5.5 and a 6.0. I've watched later to be successful Division 1 players at the high school level. Some of them played ugly but their later rankings suggest they were legitimate 5.5s. This kid is hitting a lot cleaner than those guys, but I still haven't seen him in match play. I'd provisionally rate him 6.0.

dominikk1985
11-17-2012, 04:31 PM
What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

A 17yo who wins wimbledon at the juniors is usually already ranked like 500 in the WR. So he is already a pro player. I'm not sure where 7.0 begins but I would say 500 is at least 6.5.

that guy is not a top junior yet though. he is like 350 in the world but also don't forget he is still young competing against guys 2-3 years older than him.

Of course gasquet won multiple junior slams at age 15 (even took a set off the eventual winner costa in the first round) but that is really rare.

Cheetah
11-17-2012, 07:19 PM
A 17yo who wins wimbledon at the juniors is usually already ranked like 500 in the WR. So he is already a pro player. I'm not sure where 7.0 begins but I would say 500 is at least 6.5.

that guy is not a top junior yet though. he is like 350 in the world but also don't forget he is still young competing against guys 2-3 years older than him.

Of course gasquet won multiple junior slams at age 15 (even took a set off the eventual winner costa in the first round) but that is really rare.

The definition of 7.0 is not skill based. It's income based.

dominikk1985
11-18-2012, 02:20 AM
The definition of 7.0 is not skill based. It's income based.

at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?

Say Chi Sin Lo
11-18-2012, 02:47 AM
Let's just say the guy is good and then some, when you win points serving and volleying, then you're good.

Is it me, or does he have an odd service motion? (but certainly works for him!)

There's sort of a delay/pause of his racquet-head right before he gets into the trophy position (and a very very brief one too!). Overall, a very snappy service motion.

[ GTR ]
11-18-2012, 03:14 AM
Is mark draper related to scott draper?

Yep, Mark is the older brother

rufus_smith
11-18-2012, 08:50 AM
. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!

For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

dominikk1985
11-18-2012, 09:03 AM
For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

It's a made up word. it probably means he is able to return hard shots well.

WildVolley
11-18-2012, 09:40 AM
For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

J011yroger
11-18-2012, 09:47 AM
As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

Shot tolerance is the ability to deal with a level of ball, has nothing to do with patience.

It is one thing to have nice looking or good strokes, but shot tolerance is how they hold up. The difference between having a good forehand return against a 100, a 115, and a 130mph serve. The difference between having a steady backhand against a 4.5 club player's forehand topspin, a DI college kid's topsin, and Rafa's topspin.

A DI college kid can have a beautiful 1hbh, and James Blake can have an ugly 1hbh, but James' backhand can return Roddick's serve where the college kid is overmatched.

J

WildVolley
11-18-2012, 09:54 AM
Shot tolerance is the ability to deal with a level of ball, has nothing to do with patience.

J

It may be that multiple definitions of the term are being used in professional tennis teaching circles. Your definition seems to make sense, but it wasn't the way the term was explained to me by a teaching pro (this was many years ago).

Here's a video of another guy using it in terms of comfort with hitting in long rallies, rather than the other definition in terms of being able to handle balls with a lot of pace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1sCs2XY2U

The definition of being able to handle pace makes more sense in terms of the video at the start of this thread. The rallies weren't very long, but the ball was being hammered.

Cheetah
11-18-2012, 10:32 AM
at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?

around #200-150

Avles
11-18-2012, 11:18 AM
I've only heard "shot tolerance" used in the way WildVolley is using it: patience, ability to keep a rally going, number of shots. A google search turns up many examples of pros using the term this way.

I haven't found any examples of people using it J011yroger's way.

5263
11-18-2012, 11:24 AM
As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

IMO this is an excellent explanation.

Torres
11-18-2012, 12:30 PM
USTA explanation: http://www.tennisresources.com/index.cfm?area=video_detail&rv=1&vidid=3002

Jose Higueras: http://blog.tennisandi.com/?p=120
Q. Could you define shot tolerance for me?
JOSÉ HIGUERAS: It means when you can play more than one shot or two, as many as you need to stay in the point, and not lose advantage on the point. Basically one second you can hit the ball, you can hit the ball that lands close to the baseline a couple inches from the net; you can you hit it when it goes three feet over the net. Effectiveness is the same, but you can probably hit a lot more when you go three feet above the net. That is shot tolerance.
Q. Not putting yourself on the defensive?
JOSÉ HIGUERAS: No, that’s a huge misconception, and that’s something that when you’re working with kids that haven’t grown up with that concept. If you say, You gotta be a little more aggressive, and then everything is a thousand miles an hour.
Then you say, You gotta play a little more consistent, then everything is a push. So the reason a middle ground, which is normally the shots that are used more in tennis. So it’s not about playing defensive, it’s about playing good percentages.

dennis10is
11-18-2012, 02:01 PM
Problem with using adjective to define something precisely.

He has "nice" shots. What does that mean.

Same thing applies to "shot tolerance".

People try to monopolize adjectives to mean one thing when there is no need to. Add the proper context and it becomes clearer (but not perfectly clear).

Tolerance can mean the ability to generate a stroke that is reliable and effective. Hence, the discussion of hitting a ball with more net clearance would lead to higher tolerance compared to hitting one, equally effective, but crosses the net lower. This is shot production.

Tolerance can also mean the boundary where a player's stroke goes from exhibiting a gradual failure curve to a more abrupt drop in effectiveness when the ball they have to face gets tougher. The dimensions of "tough" can be anything. Some but not all listed below

1: pace
2: spin
3: height
4: location deep/shallow, wide,etc..
5: repetition
6: variety or change up
7: pressure situation versus

If you can picture a multi-dimensional graph and plot the dependent measure "effective", which is another multi-dimensional measure, you will see where the player will suddenly drop in effectiveness.

Of course, you can say it as "point of failure" or "point of rapid decrease in effective". In calculus you would say that the point where the derivative suddenly increased negatively is the boundary.

zapvor
11-18-2012, 03:43 PM
;7019405']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGvfKpppmVY&feature=g-all-lik

they are both very good. just a tad inconsistent. the juniors i saw at us open were phenomenal

zapvor
11-18-2012, 03:45 PM
I've only heard "shot tolerance" used in the way WildVolley is using it: patience, ability to keep a rally going, number of shots. A google search turns up many examples of pros using the term this way.

I haven't found any examples of people using it J011yroger's way.

this is what i understood it to be.

Avles
11-18-2012, 03:51 PM
That's an interesting and nuanced definition of "shot tolerance" dennis10s, but I'm not sure it bears much relation to how tennis professionals actually use the term.

I don't think it's "monopolizing adjectives" to point out what a term actually means in common usage...

arche3
11-18-2012, 04:12 PM
Problem with using adjective to define something precisely.

He has "nice" shots. What does that mean.

Same thing applies to "shot tolerance".

People try to monopolize adjectives to mean one thing when there is no need to. Add the proper context and it becomes clearer (but not perfectly clear).

Tolerance can mean the ability to generate a stroke that is reliable and effective. Hence, the discussion of hitting a ball with more net clearance would lead to higher tolerance compared to hitting one, equally effective, but crosses the net lower. This is shot production.

Tolerance can also mean the boundary where a player's stroke goes from exhibiting a gradual failure curve to a more abrupt drop in effectiveness when the ball they have to face gets tougher. The dimensions of "tough" can be anything. Some but not all listed below

1: pace
2: spin
3: height
4: location deep/shallow, wide,etc..
5: repetition
6: variety or change up
7: pressure situation versus

If you can picture a multi-dimensional graph and plot the dependent measure "effective", which is another multi-dimensional measure, you will see where the player will suddenly drop in effectiveness.

Of course, you can say it as "point of failure" or "point of rapid decrease in effective". In calculus you would say that the point where the derivative suddenly increased negatively is the boundary.

Lol... Ask any decent tennis coach. When they describe shot tolerance its not what you or jolly is saying.

Might as well say a top spin fh is really a fh when you spin your racket after the hit. You spin the racket forward its top spin you spin it backwards its slice. It can be true for you but the rest of the tennis world sees it differently.

Timbo's hopeless slice
11-18-2012, 04:23 PM
I use it the way WildVolley describes it, but I really like Jolly's version, it makes perfect sense.

I often see 'pretty players' who just can't handle heavy hitters and 'ugly players' that can.

and the term fits.

LeeD
11-18-2012, 04:32 PM
"tolerance", to me, means you can handle the full variety of shots, spin, pace, placement.

rkelley
11-18-2012, 06:22 PM
I use it the way WildVolley describes it, but I really like Jolly's version, it makes perfect sense.

I often see 'pretty players' who just can't handle heavy hitters and 'ugly players' that can.

and the term fits.

It's kind of part of the same whole, isn't it? Pace and spin can break down strokes. Could shot tolerance be described as the ability and willingness of a player to hang in a hard hitting rally, hitting big, aggressive shots but being smart about placement and not going for winners until the right ball presents itself?

boramiNYC
11-18-2012, 09:10 PM
Is it me, or does he have an odd service motion? (but certainly works for him!)

There's sort of a delay/pause of his racquet-head right before he gets into the trophy position (and a very very brief one too!). Overall, a very snappy service motion.
impressive player at just 15. really cannot predict future from this but good luck to him.

his serve is not that odd. he has the habit of right arm extension as he tosses which is not a problem. as he gets stronger his arm will relax more and be able to generate more spin and control. good serving form IMO.

5263
11-19-2012, 09:08 AM
It's kind of part of the same whole, isn't it? Pace and spin can break down strokes. Could shot tolerance be described as the ability and willingness of a player to hang in a hard hitting rally, hitting big, aggressive shots but being smart about placement and not going for winners until the right ball presents itself?

Here is what breaks it out and makes wildvolley more correct. If you can't handle
the pace/spin of the shots, the error is forced and bears little on shot tolerance.
Shot tolerance deals with UEs and how many shots you will normally be able to
tolerate in a rally before you will go for a winner or make a UE in the effort.

What level of shot you can handle deals more with your level of play and how
good you are, but with shot tolerance, you could have a number that is the
same as Fed's, but still be a 4.0 player. If either player rarely will hit more than
5 balls before going for broke, then they have a shot tolerance of 5...no matter
if it's pro level shots or avg 4.0 shots.

zapvor
11-19-2012, 09:18 AM
impressive player at just 15. really cannot predict future from this but good luck to him.

his serve is not that odd. he has the habit of right arm extension as he tosses which is not a problem. as he gets stronger his arm will relax more and be able to generate more spin and control. good serving form IMO.

agree-his serve motion is pretty good to me. fluid enough, not really hitch. he kinda slaps it sometimes i think to try to get more pace

GaijinCoach
11-21-2012, 04:15 PM
You can view all his information at his website
http://www.akiradjsantillan.com

You will need to sign-up to view his information.

The guy in the red shirt is Scott Puodziunas (http://tournaments.tennis.com.au/profile/overview.aspx?id=78401795-62C4-4B67-9C3C-2C628CDA7D53) he is 6ft 5in and is ranked 48 in Australia. Akira Santillan (http://tournaments.tennis.com.au/profile/overview.aspx?id=EFA95240-142F-4ED2-95DF-3B354660D93F) in the white shirt is 5ft 10in and is ranked 96 in Australia. Mark Draper (http://tournaments.tennis.com.au/profile/overview.aspx?id=A05838AF-A0AB-4F38-BE13-2CC698B0FD70) is the coach of Akira and he is in the blue shirt.

pvaudio
11-22-2012, 07:37 AM
Hmm, I wonder how neutral a party you are...

sundaypunch
11-22-2012, 07:45 AM
Here is what breaks it out and makes wildvolley more correct. If you can't handle
the pace/spin of the shots, the error is forced and bears little on shot tolerance.
Shot tolerance deals with UEs and how many shots you will normally be able to
tolerate in a rally before you will go for a winner or make a UE in the effort.

What level of shot you can handle deals more with your level of play and how
good you are, but with shot tolerance, you could have a number that is the
same as Fed's, but still be a 4.0 player. If either player rarely will hit more than
5 balls before going for broke, then they have a shot tolerance of 5...no matter
if it's pro level shots or avg 4.0 shots.

Agree with this. All of the coaches I know use it as a patience based term.

As the rally get longer pressure builds on people. They (maybe subconsciously) want to relieve this pressure and go for more than they should on a shot. For some people this happens after just a few shots. For others it may be 30 shots.

GaijinCoach
11-22-2012, 09:11 AM
Hmm, I wonder how neutral a party you are...
Neutral enough to give you more information.

Also he has only played one International Tournament (http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100186625). He has only played 6 ITF tournaments in his life, he has won 1 singles, 2 doubles and reached the semi-finals of the last 4 or better.

The past 3 months he has changed a lot. Used to be hot headed and now seems to be calming down finding his inner peace on court. Prior to that his shot tolerance was crap but has improved tremendously. He used to pull the trigger very early. Since he has been with Mark he is learning patience and it is paying off. He plays matches better than he trains as he loves to compete.

A couple of weeks ago he won an Open Mens Tournament beating a former US College player with a protected AR Ranking of 19 (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-tennis/mtt/hensel_kaden00.html) and in the previous round beat another highly ranked Australian player name Isaac Frost AR 41.

He is 3 in the country for his age 1997, he is also #1 for age groups 1997,96,95 and 94 in the State of Queensland and I am sure if he had more exposure to the International circuit he would be number 1 in the country.

treblings
11-22-2012, 11:57 AM
Neutral enough to give you more information.

Also he has only played one International Tournament (http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100186625). He has only played 6 ITF tournaments in his life, he has won 1 singles, 2 doubles and reached the semi-finals of the last 4 or better.

The past 3 months he has changed a lot. Used to be hot headed and now seems to be calming down finding his inner peace on court. Prior to that his shot tolerance was crap but has improved tremendously. He used to pull the trigger very early. Since he has been with Mark he is learning patience and it is paying off. He plays matches better than he trains as he loves to compete.

A couple of weeks ago he won an Open Mens Tournament beating a former US College player with a protected AR Ranking of 19 (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-tennis/mtt/hensel_kaden00.html) and in the previous round beat another highly ranked Australian player name Isaac Frost AR 41.

He is 3 in the country for his age 1997, he is also #1 for age groups 1997,96,95 and 94 in the State of Queensland and I am sure if he had more exposure to the International circuit he would be number 1 in the country.

you don´t need to be neutral:) if you have a private connection to santillan that´s cool

zapvor
11-23-2012, 10:06 PM
good stuff....lets see how he continues to play

GaijinCoach
12-05-2012, 11:56 PM
http://www.akiradjsantillan.com/akira-upsets-3rd-seed-to-proceed-to-the-championship-draw/

corbind
12-06-2012, 08:08 AM
It is enjoyable to watch that kid. Makes me want to hang it up. :)

pvaudio
12-06-2012, 05:26 PM
Good God I feel old. Next year, people born in 1997 will be able to drive a car.

LeeD
12-06-2012, 05:30 PM
I got my driver's license on Feb. 15, 1965........and bought a 250 Yamaha 5 days later.

pvaudio
12-06-2012, 06:28 PM
Yeah but we already know you're old :lol: