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Gru
11-17-2012, 11:44 AM
Just purchased a pair of Adidas shoes on tennis-warehouse site, and was surprised to see Djokovic:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/catpage-MSADIDAS.html

Is Adidas his sponsor, I guess they are?

jokinla
11-17-2012, 02:33 PM
No, it has been proven by some here in this forum, that even though he is the #1 player in the world, he accepts no money from Adidas, he just likes to wear them for free, and evidently he also likes it when they take his picture and put it next to their logo.

Bobby Jr
11-18-2012, 01:35 PM
No, it has been proven by some here in this forum, that even though he is the #1 player in the world, he accepts no money from Adidas, he just likes to wear them for free, and evidently he also likes it when they take his picture and put it next to their logo.
That's not true.

They also give him 2 free t-shirts as well. :lol:

rafafan20
11-18-2012, 02:00 PM
He'd be #1 in cb 4.3s :)

Adidas_Anderson
11-18-2012, 03:24 PM
He'd be #1 in cb 4.3s :)

He is still number 1 ;)....Look how he slides with his barricade's:)

dr325i
11-22-2012, 12:23 PM
Just purchased a pair of Adidas shoes on tennis-warehouse site, and was surprised to see Djokovic:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/catpage-MSADIDAS.html

Is Adidas his sponsor, I guess they are?

If they are, they have not updated him on the colorway in 8 months.
Not sure what is he promoting for them if the colors changed 10 times Since then...

Bobby Jr
11-22-2012, 01:03 PM
If they are, they have not updated him on the colorway in 8 months.
Not sure what is he promoting for them if the colors changed 10 times Since then...
We all thought the same thing when Federer wore two seasons old shoes which didn't remotely match the retail model he was being promoted as wearing.

I guess, like Djokovic, Federer works for free t-shirts and shoes.:lol:

dr325i
11-22-2012, 02:23 PM
We all thought the same thing when Federer wore two seasons old shoes which didn't remotely match the retail model he was being promoted as wearing.

I guess, like Djokovic, Federer works for free t-shirts and shoes.:lol:

Show me that please where federer wore old COLOR Scheme shoes...
What is under the PJ is totally irrelevant to 99.5% of potential customers......

tistrapukcipeht
11-22-2012, 03:32 PM
We all thought the same thing when Federer wore two seasons old shoes which didn't remotely match the retail model he was being promoted as wearing.

I guess, like Djokovic, Federer works for free t-shirts and shoes.:lol:

lol, Nice one Bobby! :)

Bobby Jr
11-22-2012, 03:34 PM
Show me that please where federer wore old COLOR Scheme shoes...
What is under the PJ is totally irrelevant to 99.5% of potential customers......
So the details fit when you want them to, but not when they don't fit your example?

No surprises there.

I recall when he was wearing a non-current model that was part of your reasoning that he couldn't be endorsing Adidas, despite Federer having done the same on many occasions... but now that Djokovic IS wearing a current model your reasoning seems to have morphed to he's not wearing the current colour version?

Can players ever wear the current model in a colour variant that is unavailable to the public? Yes or no?

dr325i
11-22-2012, 04:30 PM
So the details fit when you want them to, but not when they don't fit your example?

No surprises there.

I recall when he was wearing a non-current model that was part of your reasoning that he couldn't be endorsing Adidas, despite Federer having done the same on many occasions... but now that Djokovic IS wearing a current model your reasoning seems to have morphed to he's not wearing the current colour version?

Can players ever wear the current model in a colour variant that is unavailable to the public? Yes or no?

I am not sure you understand my point..
Federer has worn the latest PJ of whatever shoe with every colorway cycle.
Novak first had B6 way into B7 release and now is wearing the colorway that was released 8 months ago.
What is he selling for Adidas, assuming they dumped a load of $$$ on him? Why isn't he playing with the Microgel PJ of his racket -- because the latest PJ sells the rackets. Same with the shoes, the latest PJ is what every sponsored pro has. Novak has been and still is wearing whatever he wants from Adidas. Not the latest PJ, not the latest model if he desires, switches between models (depending on the surface), and so on...
On top of it all, still, Adidas does not show his face on their page and he does not mention Adidas on his own official page...
Great marketing on Adidas part...

To the highlighted part -- when did Federer wear the non-current model to a non-TT member -- meaning -- 99.5 people do not realize small differences between Fed actual shoe and the retail, or for example Murray shoe...

dr325i
11-22-2012, 04:35 PM
Can players ever wear the current model in a colour variant that is unavailable to the public? Yes or no?

Of course they can.
Can a sponsored player wear the last year's shoe, or shirt -- no.
Can a sponsored player wear in December the retail shoe released in May -- most likely not as they are paid to promote new "styles" and sell more, not to promote the brand (only)

Bobby Jr
11-22-2012, 05:00 PM
Can a sponsored player wear the last year's shoe, or shirt -- no.

Federer and his wearing of the V6 a couple of years after they stopped selling them says otherwise. They were miles different shoes - visually and technically - and often had barely were a token effort in terms of mimicking the retail shoe.

Can a sponsored player wear in December the retail shoe released in May -- most likely not as they are paid to promote new "styles" and sell more, not to promote the brand (only)
Well... they do. Bedych recently in fact. Here he is wearing a long-since unavailable colour variant of the V9 at Bercy in November. This gap is larger than your May-Dec gap.. it's Jan/Feb to Nov. And he's Nike's 4th, soon to be 3rd, highest profile male player.
http://i.imgur.com/CVKpu.jpg

jokinla
11-22-2012, 07:27 PM
If they are, they have not updated him on the colorway in 8 months.
Not sure what is he promoting for them if the colors changed 10 times Since then...

Uhm, he is wearing the stripes for them, which is what he's promoting, not the latest model, this seems to be the marketing strategy when it comes to Djoker and his gear, it's been that way for a while now, shared by multiple brands. Or he just likes to share his image on tv and print for free.

dr325i
11-23-2012, 06:09 AM
Uhm, he is wearing the stripes for them, which is what he's promoting, not the latest model, this seems to be the marketing strategy when it comes to Djoker and his gear, it's been that way for a while now, shared by multiple brands. Or he just likes to share his image on tv and print for free.

I don't t is "for free" as he gets their equipment free of charge.
He does not get money from Adidas to do it, though.
Or, not even close to, lets say, Tsonga or Verdasco...

In any case, this is the battle of opinions, no facts at all.
IMO, there is no way that the world #1, sponsored by Adidas, would either wear last year's model shoes (B6 vs B5) in totally outdated colors, or even the current model with 8-month old colors -- consistently.

To JUNIOR's comments, and he knows they are total BS:
1) Federer has been wearing non-standard CURRENT PJ shoes for a long time -- it is some kind of mix or old sole and different top, etc. However, masked/painted to look current to 99.5% of population. A completely normal marketing approach that is done with the rackets and in many other industries.
2) Berdych has switched his shoes, for whatever reason, for a single tournament (or maybe two), not consistently.
3) Novak has worn the old B6 straight for many tournaments after B7 came out and continues to wear the white with black stripes that has been "discontinued" long time ago. No other color, no other model, only this. Obviously his own choice and has nothing to do with Adidas direct marketing.

My opinion is that his ST/UNIQLO contracts do not allow him to be sponsored by Adidas, therefore, he is not promoting them on his web page and vice versa. However, since they have no shoe to offer, he is allowed to wear any shoe he wants -- Addias gives him free of charge and he "promotes" them for free... In the end, the contract he has with UNIQLO is probably worth more than what Adidas could/would offer.

Just my theory...

tennis_balla
11-23-2012, 06:53 AM
DR stop it, that's too much common sense in one post for most to be able to handle here.

jokinla
11-23-2012, 07:53 AM
DR stop it, that's too much common sense in one post for most to be able to handle here.

Common sense tells me that the #1 player in the world would be getting paid to wear whatever shoes he wants, as well as getting paid to have his picture next to their logo. Stupidity tells me that he would be doing this for free, as well as having his picture next to their logo.

dr325i
11-23-2012, 10:44 AM
Common sense tells me that the #1 player in the world would be getting paid to wear whatever shoes he wants, as well as getting paid to have his picture next to their logo. Stupidity tells me that he would be doing this for free, as well as having his picture next to their logo.

Do you think EVERY celebrity gets paid by whatever shoe company they wear. I am sure that Justin B-whatever kid is actually MUCH better promoter than any tennis player for any shoe company....

I didn't think so.
Him being a #1 in tennis and dressed in competitors clothes means little to Adidas.
Just like it did with Murray a few years ago before he joined Adidas and switched between Adidas and Nike as he wanted...
And, he was #4 in the world, more marketable than the current #1...

dr325i
11-23-2012, 10:47 AM
DR stop it, that's too much common sense in one post for most to be able to handle here.

I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.

dr325i
11-23-2012, 11:29 AM
Well... they do. Bedych recently in fact. Here he is wearing a long-since unavailable colour variant of the V9 at Bercy in November. This gap is larger than your May-Dec gap.. it's Jan/Feb to Nov. And he's Nike's 4th, soon to be 3rd, highest profile male player.
http://i.imgur.com/CVKpu.jpg

Oh, I just realized that Berdych is done with the Nike so, this was another useless post of Junior's...

Bobby Jr
11-23-2012, 11:43 AM
I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.
The proof is in the pudding if you chose to open your eyes.

Time and time again you say the same thing in a different manner, no matter what new example or situation arises to show otherwise - Tomas Berdych above for example.

You approach every new ripple in this ongoing discussion as if it's some person affront to your self-professed expertise on Djokovic. You may know someone who knows someone who knows someone from backwater Europe - I actually have no doubt you do - but it means nothing in terms of what is the most probable scenario for one of the most high profile sportspeople on the planet by way of endorsement.

We've been through dozens of iterations of examples to show your analogies are not quite as clear cut or definitive as you suggest and you come back every time with the same old "it's not on his website", "Adidas don't have him on his website" and, the newer slant, "he's not wearing the current model/colour-way". These are simply not definitive arguments - not even close - and suggesting they are is folly.

You ask for proof he was sponsored by Adidas - well let's look at it another way. Why don't you prove why he isn't? You can't, so stop transferring your daytime middle-management hand-nose sales attitude to an area as if you're an expert in sponsorship of sporting goods.

We've been through nonsense time and time again with you calling me Junior and trying to browbeat me into saying what I do and I haven't for one good reason - because it's way more fun to see you come back again and again like a red bull to a rag as if you're mr know-it-all on everything related to Djokoivc.

dimeaxe
11-23-2012, 11:43 AM
I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.

Doktore, ne zahebavaj klince, mislim da Novak ima neku vrstu "deala" sa Adidasom, vidis da i van terena nosi iskljucivo njihove patike, verujem da dobija i neku kintu od njih.

Bobby Jr
11-23-2012, 11:54 AM
Oh, I just realized that Berdych is done with the Nike so, this was another useless post of Junior's...
Is he leaving Nike?

So... your assertion is that when players are done with a brand they give up with putting any effort in near the end? Fair enough. A pretty convenient twist for you.

On your comment about Justin Bieber and him promoting whatever - Do you recall in Agassi's book when he talks about wearing a pair of Oakleys. And the publicity value was such that he returned home one day to find a car being delivered as a gift from them? And that was in, what, 1991?? It seems even quite random associations can have significant value for some brands.

jokinla
11-23-2012, 04:52 PM
Do you think EVERY celebrity gets paid by whatever shoe company they wear. I am sure that Justin B-whatever kid is actually MUCH better promoter than any tennis player for any shoe company....

I didn't think so.
Him being a #1 in tennis and dressed in competitors clothes means little to Adidas.
Just like it did with Murray a few years ago before he joined Adidas and switched between Adidas and Nike as he wanted...
And, he was #4 in the world, more marketable than the current #1...

We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.

dr325i
11-23-2012, 06:07 PM
We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.

wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

dr325i
11-23-2012, 06:08 PM
Doktore, ne zahebavaj klince, mislim da Novak ima neku vrstu "deala" sa Adidasom, vidis da i van terena nosi iskljucivo njihove patike, verujem da dobija i neku kintu od njih.

ma sto da ne, kad su paljevine...
Mozda ima neku sicu od deala, ali daleko od onoga sto na primer Murray, Rafa i Fed imaju...

dr325i
11-23-2012, 06:12 PM
You ask for proof he was sponsored by Adidas - well let's look at it another way. Why don't you prove why he isn't? You can't, so stop transferring your daytime middle-management hand-nose sales attitude to an area as if you're an expert in sponsorship of sporting goods.

We've been through nonsense time and time again with you calling me Junior and trying to browbeat me into saying what I do and I haven't for one good reason - because it's way more fun to see you come back again and again like a red bull to a rag as if you're mr know-it-all on everything related to Djokoivc.

Bobby,

I am in Marketing for the most profitable BU of a multi-billion company,so, I know a little bit about the Marketing stuff...
How about you, you are still hiding it. Why?
I never claimed I knew everything about Djokovic, far from it, however, I can certainly claim I know more about him than you do...

Bobby Jr
11-23-2012, 07:55 PM
We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.
Exactly....

Kei Nishikori... proof that another Uniqlo sponsored player likes to wear Adidas shoes for free or another example of a highly likely shoe endorsement dead from a company which, to my knowledge, doesn't make performance sports shoes so would seem odd if any clothing deal precluded a shoe deal elsewhere - even if it was on a "wearing only" basis.

3fees
11-23-2012, 07:55 PM
novak djokovic is still sponsored by adidas for tennis shoes only,,that why he still wears Barricade 7's:

List of adidas sponsorships

see
23 Tennis
23.1 Players

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#Tennis

Novak Djokovic (tennis shoes only)


:mrgreen:

Bobby Jr
11-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Bobby,

I am in Marketing for the most profitable BU of a multi-billion company,so, I know a little bit about the Marketing stuff...
You work for Texas Instruments. Big deal. Tell me how this relates to sporting goods marketing?

How about you, you are still hiding it. Why?
Already explained why. Because it's more fun this way. It allows people with browbeating approaches to forming a persuasive viewpoint to run free.

I never claimed I knew everything about Djokovic, far from it, however, I can certainly claim I know more about him than you do...
You have, but in not so many words, on many occasions.

So far as Djokovic I have no doubt you know more about him than me. In terms of sports marketing you've shown a pretty elementary view of how things could, should or do work - one which has kept me amused on a few occasions.

What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?

jokinla
11-23-2012, 09:59 PM
wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

So I'm supposed to believe that after being dumped by Adidas for Murray, Djoker continues to wear their product for free, and allows them to use his image in print ads, for free, no money, zip, zilch, nada, good one, and you said you work in marketing, funny. The proof is everywhere, in print ads, on websites stating such, most importantly on his feet winning slams, not sure what more you need, perhaps a video of Djoker at Adidas signing a contract and then cashing a check, BAHAHAHA, sorry, did it again, anyway you stick to your theory, marketing guy, wannabe doctor, whatever, seems obvious who knows what they're talking about.

dr325i
11-24-2012, 03:52 AM
So I'm supposed to believe that after being dumped by Adidas for Murray, Djoker continues to wear their product for free, and allows them to use his image in print ads, for free, no money, zip, zilch, nada, good one, and you said you work in marketing, funny. The proof is everywhere, in print ads, on websites stating such, most importantly on his feet winning slams, not sure what more you need, perhaps a video of Djoker at Adidas signing a contract and then cashing a check, BAHAHAHA, sorry, did it again, anyway you stick to your theory, marketing guy, wannabe doctor, whatever, seems obvious who knows what they're talking about.

Your little wannabe funny Comments make your arguments look so stupid, you have no idea. "wannabe doctor" - where did this come from, smart guy? I assume seeing "Dr" in my nick, which is my name initials lead your little brain to that conclusion, right?
I'd suggest you stay out of this discussion since you don't have what it takes to participate...
Btw, Djokovic dumped Adidas, not the other way around

dr325i
11-24-2012, 04:04 AM
Already explained why. Because it's more fun this way. It allows people with browbeating approaches to forming a persuasive viewpoint to run free.


You have, but in not so many words, on many occasions.

So far as Djokovic I have no doubt you know more about him than me. In terms of sports marketing you've shown a pretty elementary view of how things could, should or do work - one which has kept me amused on a few occasions.

What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?
Bobby,

I am not sure I believe.your last comment since you mentioned once that you were in your 30s. You either lied about your age, your experience or you believe you are THAT good. Reading your comments on this board, I assume it is the last one which is lying to yourself and to others...

Btw, still waiting on your 20-yr experienced explanation what happened to the world's #4 before signing up with Adidas? Was his contract so flexible to allow him to wear Niles at some slams as he wanted?

Bobby Jr
11-24-2012, 04:36 AM
Bobby,

I am not sure I believe.your last comment since you mentioned once that you were in your 30s. You either lied about your age, your experience or you believe you are THAT good. Reading your comments on this board, I assume it is the last one which is lying to yourself and to others...

Btw, still waiting on your 20-yr experienced explanation what happened to the world's #4 before signing up with Adidas? Was his contract so flexible to allow him to wear Niles at some slams as he wanted?
Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be. :p

Adidas_Anderson
11-24-2012, 04:43 AM
novak djokovic is still sponsored by adidas for tennis shoes only,,that why he still wears Barricade 7's:

List of adidas sponsorships

see
23 Tennis
23.1 Players

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#Tennis

Novak Djokovic (tennis shoes only)
:mrgreen:

First thing its wikipedia, Wikipedia is not god ( Students knows this lol...
Second check the list there is Paul-Henri Mathieu Sponsored by adidas.

Hope you get what i mean ;)

dr325i
11-24-2012, 05:19 AM
Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be. :p
Wow!
Jr, all this wasted.to make you feel better about yourself and not a single reasonable fact.
1) I mentioned not once but at least 5 times that this is PURELY my opinion and there are no facts on either side. Your egoistic, little brain translated this as I claim it as facts
2) you and your brother-poster kid gave absolutely no resonable examples, only usual (republican-like) crap - it is there because I say so..
3) Murray????? Still did not give me a clear picture what hapened there to the world #4 just short few years ago???

Now, don't get too emotional about this stupid thread, kid. No need to bang on your keyboard early Saturday morning speculating what kind of pajamas I wear.
Life is much more than doing one thing for 20 years. You should experience some other things ;)

tistrapukcipeht
11-24-2012, 06:12 AM
Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be. :p

lol, lol, lol.

Bobby Jr is one of my favorite posters here and very reasonable to all his opinions.

Bobby you're very patient with this guy, you're trying to make gold out of sand.

Everybody knows and is reasonable to think He gets sponsorship money from Adidas, He would not wear Adidas shoes for free!! specially considering how many problems with the shoes He has had this year, slipping frequently on clay courts {Madrid(yeah almost everybody did), RG} and many other places where He looked uncomfortable and irritated with his footing partly or all related to the shoes. Why would he wear those shoes for free?? Just to get them because He can't get shoes for free from some other company? Laughable at this point.

Anyway if he didn't understand by now it looks like he won't get it no matter what.

jokinla
11-24-2012, 07:32 AM
Your little wannabe funny Comments make your arguments look so stupid, you have no idea. "wannabe doctor" - where did this come from, smart guy? I assume seeing "Dr" in my nick, which is my name initials lead your little brain to that conclusion, right?
I'd suggest you stay out of this discussion since you don't have what it takes to participate...
Btw, Djokovic dumped Adidas, not the other way around

Evidently I struck a nerve, :cry:. I have common sense, the ability to understand basic advertisement policy, and this is all I need to know that Adidas pays Djoker, simple really.

jokinla
11-24-2012, 07:38 AM
wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

BTW, in trying to understand WTF you were trying to ask here, I understood that Adidas dumped Djoker.

jokinla
11-24-2012, 08:05 AM
First thing its wikipedia, Wikipedia is not god ( Students knows this lol...
Second check the list there is Paul-Henri Mathieu Sponsored by adidas.

Hope you get what i mean ;)

The debate is over Djoker, and wiki specifies shoes only, so it's been updated since he stopped wearing the clothes, I highly doubt anyone cares what PHM is wearing, which is why he is still listed, if the discussion was over him wearing stuff for free, I'd believe it.

Fedex
11-24-2012, 12:10 PM
What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?

Guess we're in the same business although it's a big field.
I own an advertising company.
Which companies were you with and what did you do?

Bobby Jr
11-24-2012, 03:19 PM
Wow!
Jr, all this wasted.to make you feel better about yourself and not a single reasonable fact. ....

Now, don't get too emotional about this stupid thread, kid. No need to bang on your keyboard early Saturday morning speculating what kind of pajamas I wear.
Life is much more than doing one thing for 20 years. You should experience some other things ;)
You, sir, are simply hilarious. You calling others egotistical shows an astonishing lack of self-awareness. I hope this continues as it is highly amusing, even if otherwise pointless.

Calling people kid... as you've done many times before is also laughable. It's a sort of ham-fisted attempt at an insult but doesn't come off. Maybe it's a European language crossover thing letting you down or some hick middle-America thing you picked up - either way it's neither here nor there in terms of results. The intent is noted though as (yet) another demonstration of the sort of person you are to deal with.

Nothing I posted was done to make me feel better about myself - it's to see how you fly off the handle when people don't agree with you.

dr325i
11-24-2012, 06:14 PM
You, sir, are simply hilarious. You calling others egotistical shows an astonishing lack of self-awareness. I hope this continues as it is highly amusing, even if otherwise pointless.

Calling people kid... as you've done many times before is also laughable. It's a sort of ham-fisted attempt at an insult but doesn't come off. Maybe it's a European language crossover thing letting you down or some hick middle-America thing you picked up - either way it's neither here nor there in terms of results. The intent is noted though as (yet) another demonstration of the sort of person you are to deal with.

Nothing I posted was done to make me feel better about myself - it's to see how you fly off the handle when people don't agree with you.


Maybe it is that I am 10 years older and more experienced (in life) than you, or maybe that has nothing to do with the Euro language crossover or whatever you call it. Stop "Maybe this or that" guessing as I already pointed out to you -- you are a bad guesser and you do not "read" people well -- makes you sound like a fool...

Stick to what you're good at -- throwing many words put together that in the end -- could be said in 1/5 th ot the length...

You are a kid for me that believes that a few years (certainly NOT 20) of something makes him an expert...

You are guessing in this thread as much as I am -- you may be right, or you may not be right...

However, you still did not explain the Murray markething scheme from Adidas...

PS: Also, Junior, calling me a "Sir"... How do you know I am not a Ma'am?

Oh, to your last point -- where do you see me "fly off the handle..." Do you really believe I got ticked off by your crap? Use google translate and see above what it's all about;)

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 01:46 AM
Maybe it is that I am 10 years older and more experienced (in life) than you, or maybe that has nothing to do with the Euro language crossover or whatever you call it. Stop "Maybe this or that" guessing as I already pointed out to you -- you are a bad guesser and you do not "read" people well -- makes you sound like a fool...
I doubt you're a decade older than I. You're just just old before your time - one of those people who just can't help themselves but to assume a dominant, paternal, know-it-all position in discussions in the misguided thinking it somehow makes you an automatic expert on anything you care to open you mouth about.
You are a kid for me that believes that a few years (certainly NOT 20) of something makes him an expert...

You are guessing in this thread as much as I am -- you may be right, or you may not be right...
Your know-it-all attitude knows no bounds. I am and have done everything I say I have. Your ongoing snide attempts at painting yourself as the person in the discussion with the only experience worthy of merit on the topic is laughable. Unless you say otherwise, from what I gather from your career related posts previously, you have no experience in consumer goods marketing. You are a sales rep who worked his way up the ladder. You happen to play and have an interest in tennis - it doesn't make you the expert on sponsorship, brand associations or marketing influence that you, in effect, claim to be.
However, you still did not explain the Murray markething scheme from Adidas...
Horses for courses. They appear to have taken a punt on the wrong horse so far as results and the associated publicity that goes with it since Murray joined and Djokovic left their roster. That said, their investment in Murray is finally paying off.
PS: Also, Junior, calling me a "Sir"... How do you know I am not a Ma'am?.
Because your name is Dan. Regardless, the phrase "You, Sir, are...." is not literal - it's a figure of speech. I'm guessing you knew this already and thought you were being smart. You seem to regularly mistake being smart with being smarmy.

Keep it up. The more of your Sunday you spend replying here the better imo.

Fedex
11-25-2012, 01:50 AM
Bobby Jr and dr3251.
This has now turned into a personal ****ging match so no more constructive conversation to be had.
I would suggest you swap emails or telephone numbers and carry on this argument there.
You might actually find you like one another in conversation or personal email where it's harder to throw personal insults and you're not hidden behind a computer keyboard.
Bobby Jr you wrote that you worked in global branding. I'm curious to know what your experience was?
I own an outdoor billboard advertising company specialising mainly in the entertainments, events, arts, culture and fashion sector.
Most of my clients are local government, public notice, universities, festivals, theatre, venues and promoters, and we also run campaigns for Nike, Schuh, T in the Park and other major festivals, and major record company acts such as Oasis, Coldplay, Biffy Clyro, Snow Patrol, Emily Sandie etc.
Were you involved in the actual artistic design of the global brands and/or the marketing?

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 02:23 AM
Bobby Jr and dr3251.
This has now turned into a personal ****ging match so no more constructive conversation to be had.
I would suggest you swap emails or telephone numbers and carry on this argument there.
Not a bad suggestion.

Fedex
11-25-2012, 03:19 AM
Not a bad suggestion.

You know the funny thing is if we ever had a TW party and met one another personally I bet we'd mostly get on like a house on fire, have lots of interesting conversations and pass on our knowledge, stories and experience over a few drinks with posters we thought we couldn't stand.
Put us on a forum, however, and it's world war 3.

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 03:20 AM
You know the funny thing is if we ever had a TW party and met one another personally I bet we'd mostly get on like a house on fire, have lots of interesting conversations and pass on our knowledge, stories and experience over a few drinks with posters we thought we couldn't stand.
Put us on a forum, however, and it's world war 3.
And to think, only last year I was in Dundee for a couple of days. What could have been.

Fedex
11-25-2012, 03:24 AM
And to think, only last year I was in Dundee for a 4 days. What could have been.

Ha ha. Send me an email next time. I've never seen what a TW creature looks like. I was meant to hook up with Batz who lives only half an hour away but life is so busy. Cheers.

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 03:33 AM
Ha ha. Send me an email next time. I've never seen what a TW creature looks like. I was meant to hook up with Batz who lives only half an hour away but life is so busy. Cheers.
It was a 15,000km trip as it was. Probably wont be back anytime soon, but you never know.

dr325i
11-25-2012, 04:57 AM
Not a bad suggestion.

Am with FedEx on this too.
Sorry...

Btw, the Murray explanation I am waiting on is - how come when he was with F Perry and #4, raising star, he wore Adidas and Nike, as he wanted (mainly Adidas).
This tells me that a high ranked, highly marketable tennis star was not sponsored by Adidas. How is that possible??
Why is he so different than Djokovic, oscillating between #1 and #2??
Or, why is he different from Kei??

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 05:40 AM
Btw, the Murray explanation I am waiting on is - how come when he was with F Perry and #4, raising star, he wore Adidas and Nike, as he wanted (mainly Adidas).
This tells me that a high ranked, highly marketable tennis star was not sponsored by Adidas. How is that possible??
Why is he so different than Djokovic, oscillating between #1 and #2??
Or, why is he different from Kei??
Because he was, as you say, a rising star. Rising stars are nothing compared to stars. Once Federer and Nadal were made complete lock-outs so far as clothing/shoe sponsorship goes the next rung down were a dime a dozen punts - most of which haven't paid off. The companies entering into these arrangements know most deals wont pay off in a huge way but it's the cost of business they have to pay if they want to snare the next big thing which also includes an element of keeping them out of their competition's hands also. Once Murray had some level of success I imagine he got other offers, or just the one, that Fred Perry simply couldn't match (or, in the least, justify in their budget).

Murray was a particularly special case - which ANYONE with any marketing nous could tell you regardless of his results. He was the UK's next big hope.... that made him more valuable for a sponsor than anyone from a backwater European country.

Nishikori, again, it a special case. He's Japan's only (male) tennis player of any note for 15-odd years. That means something, especially in such an insular country as Japan with a huge and unique domestic market. There is no doubt at all that he is paid to wear Adidas shoes. The Uniqlo stores have Adidas shoes on display in the tennis-wear section and on the posters. That is not by any random chance or the result of some free product.

So far as the Murray wearing Nike shoes thing goes, that's neither here nor there - nothing more to it than him requiring specific traits in a shoe for those tournaments. And, more specifically, it's of zero significance in the whole Djokovic wearing Adidas scenario.

dr325i
11-25-2012, 06:00 AM
Because he was, as you say, a rising star. Rising stars are nothing compared to stars. Once Federer and Nadal were made complete lock-outs so far as clothing/shoe sponsorship goes the next rung down were a dime a dozen punts - most of which haven't paid off. The companies entering into these arrangements know most deals wont pay off in a huge way but it's the cost of business they have to pay if they want to snare the next big thing which also includes an element of keeping them out of their competition's hands also. Once Murray had some level of success I imagine he got other offers, or just the one, that Fred Perry simply couldn't match (or, in the least, justify in their budget).

Murray was a particularly special case - which ANYONE with any marketing nous could tell you regardless of his results. He was the UK's next big hope.... that made him more valuable for a sponsor than anyone from a backwater European country.

Nishikori, again, it a special case. He's Japan's only (male) tennis player of any note for 15-odd years. That means something, especially in such an insular country as Japan with a huge and unique domestic market. There is no doubt at all that he is paid to wear Adidas shoes. The Uniqlo stores have Adidas shoes on display in the tennis-wear section and on the posters. That is not by any random chance or the result of some free product.

So far as the Murray wearing Nike shoes thing goes, that's neither here nor there - nothing more to it than him requiring specific traits in a shoe for those tournaments. And, more specifically, it's of zero significance in the whole Djokovic wearing Adidas scenario.

hmm, I am not sure I understand your explanation that Murray, a #4 at the time, a member of the "Big 4", was considered just a Rising star, whereas, lets say, quite a few others, Simon, for example (to stay away from your "special cases") was sponsored by adidas and clearly NOT a potential of Murray...
The significance/parallel is that Djokovic and Murray were/are top athletes, Murray is far more marketable (overall) and yet, just because one is 2 spots above the other you firmply claim the differences...

"Which anyone with Marketing nous..." -- I told you, I have been doing marketing (portion) while you were in the Middle school, so, lets not go there.

This is more to hear your way of thinking...without going back the route of the previous few posts...

dr325i
11-25-2012, 06:10 AM
I doubt you're a decade older than I. You're just just old before your time - one of those people who just can't help themselves but to assume a dominant, paternal, know-it-all position in discussions in the misguided thinking it somehow makes you an automatic expert on anything you care to open you mouth about.

Your know-it-all attitude knows no bounds. I am and have done everything I say I have. Your ongoing snide attempts at painting yourself as the person in the discussion with the only experience worthy of merit on the topic is laughable. Unless you say otherwise, from what I gather from your career related posts previously, you have no experience in consumer goods marketing. You are a sales rep who worked his way up the ladder. You happen to play and have an interest in tennis - it doesn't make you the expert on sponsorship, brand associations or marketing influence that you, in effect, claim to be.

Keep it up. The more of your Sunday you spend replying here the better imo.

BTW, this caught my eye...
WHile I keep repeating OVER and OVER that this whole thread is my opinion, you, somehow, conclude that I claim to be an expert and claim all I say to be "the fact". Do you even realize how egoistic that is, just to prove your own point? THAT is what I meant "to make yourself feel better" part -- you turn things around and "put" words in my mouth just to make yourself feel better...
I advised you NOT to guess, you continue making yourself a fool...
If you must know, obviously bothering you a lot, I was a systems/design engineer, then Applications/Marketing Engineer for the first half of my career (when you graduated from College). Then...shoot me an email for more ;)

What do you do on Sundays?

PS: I promise, no more off the topic stuff :)

tistrapukcipeht
11-25-2012, 06:41 AM
So far, since I joined, reading posts of both of you in many threads I found out:

dr325:
- has said before he knows Djokovic's family
- system design engineer that works with marketing
- is wrong about this topic, but doesn't want to admit

Bobby Jr:
- coached or worked coaching with Tony Roach
- Has worked in the marketing business for a long time.
- Has explained the most probable theories about Djokovic/Adidas sponsorship, which is clearly spot on.


What's right and what's wrong, who is telling the truth who isn't?

NJ1
11-25-2012, 07:51 AM
So far, since I joined, reading posts of both of you in many threads I found out:

dr325:
- has said before he knows Djokovic's family
- system design engineer that works with marketing
- is wrong about this topic, but doesn't want to admit

Bobby Jr:
- coached or worked coaching with Tony Roach
- Has worked in the marketing business for a long time.
- Has explained the most probable theories about Djokovic/Adidas sponsorship, which is clearly spot on.


What's right and what's wrong, who is telling the truth who isn't?

Thanks for the Cliff notes:)

dr325i
11-25-2012, 08:30 AM
So far, since I joined, reading posts of both of you in many threads I found out:

dr325:
- has said before he knows Djokovic's family
- system design engineer that works with marketing
- is wrong about this topic, but doesn't want to admit

Bobby Jr:
- coached or worked coaching with Tony Roach
- Has worked in the marketing business for a long time.
- Has explained the most probable theories about Djokovic/Adidas sponsorship, which is clearly spot on.


What's right and what's wrong, who is telling the truth who isn't?
Thanks for the "non-biased" summary of the thread.
Seems like you and Bobby conveniently pick words that fit your own agenda, and summarize the whole thread.

1) I have worked as an engineer about half of my career, just when bobby got out of college. Then, I was in sales/marketing for the rest of my career.
2) I have met DJ family a few times, parents, brothers, met him twice... Knowing his family means nothing in this thread.
3) I do not mind admiting I am wrong if it can be proven to me (remember, engineer). However, so far, Bobby's been playing a single card - Novak would be crazy to wear the shoes that fit him perfect without getting big $$$$ yet, Murray, was "crazy" for quite a few years. Telling me how crazy it would be to accept the ST/uniqlo deal Limiting him on the shoe deal, yet, Adidas (worth 1000...x) is crazy not to put world's #1 face on their page or have their name on his page.. Maybe it is the sports marketing?

4) I have trained with the top player on these boards who coached at Newcomb's, Sanchez and is currently coaching at Prague's top clubs. He was and is sponsored and has shared some insights.

Again, I am not saying Bobby is wrong or right, and that I have facts. I am just questioning the logic of outdated model shoes, no face on web pages, no single google link on his sponsorship.... And then, the Murray thing that was newer answered....

tistrapukcipeht
11-25-2012, 10:36 AM
Thanks for the "non-biased" summary of the thread.
Seems like you and Bobby conveniently pick words that fit your own agenda, and summarize the whole thread.

1) I have worked as an engineer about half of my career, just when bobby got out of college. Then, I was in sales/marketing for the rest of my career.
2) I have met DJ family a few times, parents, brothers, met him twice... Knowing his family means nothing in this thread.
3) I do not mind admiting I am wrong if it can be proven to me (remember, engineer). However, so far, Bobby's been playing a single card - Novak would be crazy to wear the shoes that fit him perfect without getting big $$$$ yet, Murray, was "crazy" for quite a few years. Telling me how crazy it would be to accept the ST/uniqlo deal Limiting him on the shoe deal, yet, Adidas (worth 1000...x) is crazy not to put world's #1 face on their page or have their name on his page.. Maybe it is the sports marketing?

4) I have trained with the top player on these boards who coached at Newcomb's, Sanchez and is currently coaching at Prague's top clubs. He was and is sponsored and has shared some insights.

Again, I am not saying Bobby is wrong or right, and that I have facts. I am just questioning the logic of outdated model shoes, no face on web pages, no single google link on his sponsorship.... And then, the Murray thing that was newer answered....

Sometimes there won't be any explanations for situations, specially in deals that only a few people know about it, that is why Bobby Jr's explanation sound reasonable to what may be the deal.

Players go through shoes faster than most people think, sometimes the deliveries happen to tournament sites sometimes to hotels, their residencies etc... if a player is using older model of shoes it can be for a lot of different reasons, Murray was wearing Nike at the time on clay because he was allowed by Adidas to wear since the Nike may have been a better shoe at the time for Murray, still He was sponsored by Adidas, but Murray is/was a different case.

Djokovic, the number 1 player in the world is getting sponsorship money from Adidas, as any top player get paid to wear shoes from a brand. Being on Adidas site or not doesn't mean much, maybe Adidas doesn't want to put Djokovic's picture there because what most people will see is Uniqlo (which pays him to wear clothes in every photo shoot), and that's the last thing Adidas want is someone like Djokovic to be wearing a competitor's apparel on their site - meaning Adidas will be promoting Uniqlo.

Anyway, Bobby Jr is right on the money with what may just as well be what happened in the "Djokovic's case" .

dr325i
11-25-2012, 11:37 AM
Sometimes there won't be any explanations for situations, specially in deals that only a few people know about it, that is why Bobby Jr's explanation sound reasonable to what may be the deal.

Players go through shoes faster than most people think, sometimes the deliveries happen to tournament sites sometimes to hotels, their residencies etc... if a player is using older model of shoes it can be for a lot of different reasons, Murray was wearing Nike at the time on clay because he was allowed by Adidas to wear since the Nike may have been a better shoe at the time for Murray, still He was sponsored by Adidas, but Murray is/was a different case.

Djokovic, the number 1 player in the world is getting sponsorship money from Adidas, as any top player get paid to wear shoes from a brand. Being on Adidas site or not doesn't mean much, maybe Adidas doesn't want to put Djokovic's picture there because what most people will see is Uniqlo (which pays him to wear clothes in every photo shoot), and that's the last thing Adidas want is someone like Djokovic to be wearing a competitor's apparel on their site - meaning Adidas will be promoting Uniqlo.

Anyway, Bobby Jr is right on the money with what may just as well be what happened in the "Djokovic's case" .

I like this explanation, especially because only faces showing on Adidas page are fully sponsored by Adidas -- no Kei, no Novak...

On the other hand --Murray was allowed to wear Nikes, Djokovic was not when he did and had to tape the swoosh thing...and it was all over the web news... Does not fully add up...however, I suspect your explanation would be that he was with FP sponsored for clothing...

Why is UNIQLO promoting Adidas (their competitor) in their stores?

tistrapukcipeht
11-25-2012, 12:07 PM
I like this explanation, especially because only faces showing on Adidas page are fully sponsored by Adidas -- no Kei, no Novak...

On the other hand --Murray was allowed to wear Nikes, Djokovic was not when he did and had to tape the swoosh thing...and it was all over the web news... Does not fully add up...however, I suspect your explanation would be that he was with FP sponsored for clothing...

Why is UNIQLO promoting Adidas (their competitor) in their stores?

I don't know much of the details, but may be because Uniqlo does not have shoes, but clothing store would not mind showing shoes and may as well be in the contract, it may also be because shoes are small part of the picture or they aren't showed on all pictures, usually when people see a full picture of a tennis player, what they see more ate clothes and tennis racquet.

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 02:08 PM
1) I have worked as an engineer about half of my career, just when bobby got out of college. Then, I was in sales/marketing for the rest of my career.
Sales-people always think they're in marketing. The bigger the industry and the more specialised the product the more it is the case. They are but a single cog of what marketing is - which is why I surmise your self-professed expertise in marketing is in fact very niche. Notwithstanding your debating points on this specific topic demonstrate that to me - as someone with 20 years in an almost pure marketing field - I read your explanations on this topic and scratch my head. Examples as fundamentally flawed and simple as you espouse may make sense, but they most likely don't. imo.
2) I have met DJ family a few times, parents, brothers, met him twice... Knowing his family means nothing in this thread.
Correct. Why then, in the past, have you used this to bolster the weight of your argument on a number of occasions when it means nothing?

3) I do not mind admiting I am wrong if it can be proven to me (remember, engineer).
The occasion your were you would not - when you were so sure and supported the guy who claimed Djokovic was signing with Nike. It ended with the story morphing into "it'll happen in early 2013 now".
However, so far, Bobby's been playing a single card - Novak would be crazy to wear the shoes that fit him perfect without getting big $$$$ yet, Murray, was "crazy" for quite a few years.
Because it is, basically, the trump card - one which makes more sense than any variation of the scenarios you've suggested.
Telling me how crazy it would be to accept the ST/uniqlo deal Limiting him on the shoe deal, yet, Adidas (worth 1000...x) is crazy not to put world's #1 face on their page or have their name on his page.. Maybe it is the sports marketing?
We've been over the obvious reasons for this dozens of times. You just have myopia when it comes to reasoning which doesn't fit your already firm views.

To me, that seems out of place for someone with an engineering background.
4) I have trained with the top player on these boards who coached at Newcomb's, Sanchez and is currently coaching at Prague's top clubs. He was and is sponsored and has shared some insights.
Irrelevant imo. Unless he was in the league of top players comparing his sort of sponsorship to that of a top player folly. These are deals which require head-office buy in and form the centre-point for their entire global marketing campaigns. A coach or coaching clinic is, at best, a local arrangement. Even the Bollitieri academy's sponsorship deals in the late 80s and 90s were irrelevant in the scheme of things. And they were possibly the best known tennis academy in the world at that stage.
Again, I am not saying Bobby is wrong or right, and that I have facts. I am just questioning the logic of outdated model shoes, no face on web pages, no single google link on his sponsorship.... And then, the Murray thing that was newer answered....
Details and scenarios which have been covered many times already.

Bobby Jr
11-25-2012, 02:14 PM
So far, since I joined, reading posts of both of you in many threads I found out:

dr325:
- has said before he knows Djokovic's family
- system design engineer that works with marketing
- is wrong about this topic, but doesn't want to admit

Bobby Jr:
- coached or worked coaching with Tony Roach
- Has worked in the marketing business for a long time.
- Has explained the most probable theories about Djokovic/Adidas sponsorship, which is clearly spot on.

What's right and what's wrong, who is telling the truth who isn't?
Gold! You're the cliff note specialist. :lol:

**Coached a couple of times as a kid at clinics by Roach. I've never coached for/with him or any other famous coach/academy for that matter.

jokinla
11-25-2012, 10:46 PM
Sometimes there won't be any explanations for situations, specially in deals that only a few people know about it, that is why Bobby Jr's explanation sound reasonable to what may be the deal.

Players go through shoes faster than most people think, sometimes the deliveries happen to tournament sites sometimes to hotels, their residencies etc... if a player is using older model of shoes it can be for a lot of different reasons, Murray was wearing Nike at the time on clay because he was allowed by Adidas to wear since the Nike may have been a better shoe at the time for Murray, still He was sponsored by Adidas, but Murray is/was a different case.

Djokovic, the number 1 player in the world is getting sponsorship money from Adidas, as any top player get paid to wear shoes from a brand. Being on Adidas site or not doesn't mean much, maybe Adidas doesn't want to put Djokovic's picture there because what most people will see is Uniqlo (which pays him to wear clothes in every photo shoot), and that's the last thing Adidas want is someone like Djokovic to be wearing a competitor's apparel on their site - meaning Adidas will be promoting Uniqlo.

Anyway, Bobby Jr is right on the money with what may just as well be what happened in the "Djokovic's case" .

Dude, we've told him this many times, he doesn't get it. I once said that he could have his pic on the Adidas site, it'd be him naked, just wearing Adidas shoes, smiling. He is the type of guy that is right no matter what, if he decides the sky is green, then it doesn't matter that it's obviously blue, he says it's green, and that's it.

3fees
11-28-2012, 09:43 AM
Its obvious Nole is paid for tennis shoes only by Adidas -gets free ones,

left adidas for Mo Money

Sergio Tacchini no tennis shoes

Uniglo no tennis shoes

Nole wants more money from his clothing wear.

:mrgreen:


Now do see it

;)

_______________________________________________

No your not a mule,,your ears are too short, Moe to Curly.

:)

T21D
11-28-2012, 11:59 AM
why is Nole's stuff still being sold on the ST site?

3fees
11-29-2012, 06:46 PM
Leftovers.

have not seen any Uniglo stuff yet.

:mrgreen:

mbm0912
11-29-2012, 09:02 PM
I wish djoker was with Nike, I don't like Addidas shoes. They can't afford him I guess........

dimeaxe
01-31-2013, 08:45 AM
Mystery solved!:)Djokovic definitely advertises Adidas shoes.

http://i.imgur.com/vvzEpo9.gif

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528817_526434207379503_340226789_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/62908_527346173954973_1404959050_n.jpg

https://twitter.com/adidastennis/status/295843079695515648

dr325i
01-31-2013, 09:15 AM
^
Good stuff, looks more legit now.
They probably poured more $$$ on for a real contract...

dr325i
01-31-2013, 12:41 PM
THis is showing on Serbian media as taken today (01/31/2013)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1396/novakst01312013.jpg

babaoh
01-31-2013, 02:04 PM
THis is showing on Serbian media as taken today (01/31/2013)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1396/novakst01312013.jpg

that's funny...ST still got to have him in their gear, even if it's only for Davis Cup press conferences.

dr325i
01-31-2013, 03:33 PM
that's funny...ST still got to have him in their gear, even if it's only for Davis Cup press conferences.

I am wondering if this is indeed the most recent shot...
Looks like it it, and I wonder how is that possible with the Unoqlo contract?!

JW10S
01-31-2013, 04:01 PM
I am wondering if this is indeed the most recent shot...
Looks like it it, and I wonder how is that possible with the Unoqlo contract?!Sometimes the federations make deals with manufacturers for their team competitions. It's usually just for the team warm-up suits. An example is Russia and their Bosco Sport deal--Maria Sharapova wore Bosco Sport warm-ups in her Fed Cup matches even though she is a Nike girl. It is very common. The Serbian federation could have made a multi-year deal with ST that is still in effect. The Czech Republic Davis Cup teams wears Alea warm-ups.

dr325i
01-31-2013, 04:21 PM
Sometimes the federations make deals with manufacturers for their team competitions. It's usually just for the team warm-up suits. An example is Russia and their Bosco Sport deal--Maria Sharapova wore Bosco Sport warm-ups in her Fed Cup matches even though she is a Nike girl. It is very common. The Serbian federation could have made a multi-year deal with ST that is still in effect. The Czech Republic Davis Cup teams wears Alea warm-ups.

Sounds reasonable.
I am wondering why Tipsarevic always plays in Fila, though...could be the warm up part...
I am not sure about the other cases...

dr325i
01-31-2013, 04:50 PM
Sometimes the federations make deals with manufacturers for their team competitions. It's usually just for the team warm-up suits. An example is Russia and their Bosco Sport deal--Maria Sharapova wore Bosco Sport warm-ups in her Fed Cup matches even though she is a Nike girl. It is very common. The Serbian federation could have made a multi-year deal with ST that is still in effect. The Czech Republic Davis Cup teams wears Alea warm-ups.

Looks like you are right, thanks: http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/v_opvallend/MV_130131_OPV_Djokovic_Slechtste_Veld

babaoh
01-31-2013, 06:24 PM
yea the federations make their own contracts for the team gear that is just used for "official" purposes like press conferences and sitting on the sidelines. It looks like Belgium has a deal with Nike, since David Goffin has a Lacoste deal.

Homeboy Hotel
02-01-2013, 11:46 AM
Djokovic in ST for Davis Cup only.

Just like, UK, Murray wore Nike for Davis Cup.
http://images.supersport.com/Andy-Murray-daviscup-110917G300.jpg

Skarter
02-24-2013, 04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iTtxq98wBPg#!


Around 4 minutes Djokovic mentions how he went to Germany to meet with Adidas to talk about his shoes.

AREYOUOUTOFYOURVULCANMIND
02-24-2013, 09:05 PM
Looks like you are right, thanks: http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/v_opvallend/MV_130131_OPV_Djokovic_Slechtste_Veld

I seriously question the weight of your opinion on the topic of sporting apparel sponsorships/endorsements if you could not infer that on your own.

Backhand Compliment
04-24-2013, 01:56 PM
Not to open a new topic, can anyone tell me which Adidas shoes was Djokovic wearing in Monte Carlo? Thnx

darklore009
04-24-2013, 02:17 PM
Not to open a new topic, can anyone tell me which Adidas shoes was Djokovic wearing in Monte Carlo? Thnx

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/adidas_barricade_70_White_Blue/descpageMSADIDAS-AMB7WPB.html