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Hominator
11-23-2012, 06:39 AM
Just took this racquet out for a hitting session and wow, what a nice racquet. Feels incredibly crisp and lively, with little to no shock for such a stiff frame. Hoop is very solid and the frame feels very fast. Control was outstanding, too. The frame seems to reward fast racquet head speed.

Despite being 18x20, I also found this racquet to be very spin-friendly. In fact, I was getting more action with this racquet than with my Pure Drives or Aero Storms. This is also despite being strung with a multi. Can't wait to try a poly hybrid in this frame.

Really impressed with this frame - Dunlop has a real winner with this one.

If you like the power of a Pure Drive, but are looking for a little more control, check this one out. I think you'll like it.

sargeinaz
11-23-2012, 11:45 AM
Wow. It really has the power of a pure drive even with the players specs it has? And has no shock to the arm. Might have no choice but to demo this one then even though I never cared for the older dunlops.

kc571
11-23-2012, 12:34 PM
I liked it a lot. Not as maneuverable as the xdual. But it has pop control and decent spin.

retrograde
11-23-2012, 11:38 PM
I've been demo'ing the F3.0 Tour this week (strung w/ Silk). I was looking for comfortable frames since I get TE on and off and added the F3.0 Tour to the demo order as an afterthought.

I like it more than the Bio 300 Tour in stock form ... really solid volleying stick, good pop, and more access to spin. Torsional stability is good (check out the F3.0's Twistweight at TW University). I enjoyed serving with it too, not sure why that was.

It feels fairly stiff to me, but off-center shots didn't punish my elbow like other stiff frames have in the past. Still, I probably wouldn't recommend the F3.0 Tour to those with TE issues.

Good addition to the Dunlop stable.

Hominator
11-24-2012, 03:28 AM
I'll add that I've had TE on and off, to the severity where I've had to take a break from tennis for a couple months a year or so ago.

The Dunlop F 3.0 Tour gives me no problems with my arm whatsoever. The feel on contact has little shock. Contact feels similar to a Pro Kennex Kinetic 5G - very clean and uniform with no flutter in the hoop at all.

Pneumated1
11-24-2012, 05:30 AM
When you say "stiff," are you referring to a more modern feel? If so, how would you compare this frame to either Organix 10? Those are as "stiff" as I could go. Can you compare this to a former Blade? The 5G comparison helps, but I've never thought of that frame as stiff.

I came to the London from the 300 Tour, and with its discontinuation, I'm interested in this one.

Hominator
11-24-2012, 05:56 AM
When you say "stiff," are you referring to a more modern feel? If so, how would you compare this frame to either Organix 10? Those are as "stiff" as I could go. Can you compare this to a former Blade? The 5G comparison helps, but I've never thought of that frame as stiff.

I came to the London from the 300 Tour, and with its discontinuation, I'm interested in this one.

Hmm, I think perhaps stiff wasn't the right word to use, since stiff has many negative connotations. By stiff, I mean crisp and not flexy.

Compared to the X10, the Dunlop has a more crisp feel, but its equally arm-friendly. In fact, the uniform hoop response upon contact is very similar. I spent the last 5 minutes or so of my practice, hitting out, just for fun, and I couldn't feel the stick flex at all. Still, my arm felt completely fine.

Sorry, I've never hit with any Blades.

Pneumated1
11-24-2012, 06:51 AM
Hmm, I think perhaps stiff wasn't the right word to use, since stiff has many negative connotations. By stiff, I mean crisp and not flexy.

Compared to the X10, the Dunlop has a more crisp feel, but its equally arm-friendly. In fact, the uniform hoop response upon contact is very similar. I spent the last 5 minutes or so of my practice, hitting out, just for fun, and I couldn't feel the stick flex at all. Still, my arm felt completely fine.

Sorry, I've never hit with any Blades.

Thanks for clarifying that for me, Hominator, and sorry for splitting hairs.

If it's more crisp than the X10s, then I won't need to bother. I have to have some noticeable flex. My choices are severely limited, so I'll try to keep stocking up on my frame.

McLovin
11-24-2012, 07:15 AM
For those who have hit with both this and it's 'predecessor', the Bio 300: From the photos, it looks as if the handle is a bit longer. One of my gripes about Dunlop is that the handle is usually shorter than on most frames. Having a 2HBH, I don't like having my top hand off the grip. So, is there more grip on this frame?

tom4ny
11-24-2012, 08:49 AM
the grip on the new F3.0T is definitely longer than on the bio 300T and has enough real estate for a 2hbh.

agree that this frame has a much crisper feel and that the string bed is both livelier and the ball comes off faster than the bio 300T. also agree that shock absorption is very good and the frame is arm/elbow friendly.

the feel is 300tour blended with babalot aero pro drive. the bio 300T has better flex and ball pocketing but the F3.0T is more stable in stock form and they have definitely fixed the upper hoop problem. still, i have added lead for added drive.

i am still staying with the bio 300 tour but will continue play testing the new version and tweaking.

SteveI
11-24-2012, 09:11 AM
the grip on the new F3.0T is definitely longer than on the bio 300T and has enough real estate for a 2hbh.

agree that this frame has a much crisper feel and that the string bed is both livelier and the ball comes off faster than the bio 300T. also agree that shock absorption is very good and the frame is arm/elbow friendly.

the feel is 300tour blended with babalot aero pro drive. the bio 300T has better flex and ball pocketing but the F3.0T is more stable in stock form and they have definitely fixed the upper hoop problem. still, i have added lead for added drive.

i am still staying with the bio 300 tour but will continue play testing the new version and tweaking.

I will be very interested to see if Dunlop produces a new Bio 400 Tour. If they can firm up the upper loop on that frame.. that would really be a nice improvement. I am playing the current version and while I do not hit much in the upper loop it would be great to get an overall firmer feel on the stringbed.

Torres
11-24-2012, 09:41 AM
How does this compare to the:

- 4D 300 Tour
- Bio 300 Tour

(Both of those were quite different sticks despite the specs).

retrograde
11-24-2012, 10:44 AM
So, is there more grip on this frame?
Measured from butt to the top of the elastic band, its 8". That's about 3/4" longer than my AG 4D 200 16x19.

McLovin
11-24-2012, 11:01 AM
Measured from butt to the top of the elastic band, its 8". That's about 3/4" longer than my AG 4D 200 16x19.

Sweet. Thanks.

This frame just moved into the spring demo lineup, along w/ the Yonex VCORE Tour 97 and the new YOUTEK Speed. Not saying I'm moving away from my X Force Pros, but it will be almost two years with those frames, so I have to at least look at other stuff.

Besides, I believe if I stick with the same frame for more than two years my membership to TT gets revoked...

JackB1
11-24-2012, 11:21 AM
Thanks for clarifying that for me, Hominator, and sorry for splitting hairs.

If it's more crisp than the X10s, then I won't need to bother. I have to have some noticeable flex. My choices are severely limited, so I'll try to keep stocking up on my frame.

Have to agree with Homi here. I had a loooong demo session with both the M and F 3.0's and they have little to no flex. I thought they felt pretty stiff to me. Nice frames but very noticeable when you miss the sweetspots, which are rather small.

JackB1
11-24-2012, 11:25 AM
When you say "stiff," are you referring to a more modern feel? If so, how would you compare this frame to either Organix 10? Those are as "stiff" as I could go. Can you compare this to a former Blade? The 5G comparison helps, but I've never thought of that frame as stiff.

I came to the London from the 300 Tour, and with its discontinuation, I'm interested in this one.

the new Dunlops are NOTHING like the prior models. Its a totally new mold.
Definitely stiffer feeling than the X10.

retrograde
11-24-2012, 11:25 AM
I'll add that I've had TE on and off, to the severity where I've had to take a break from tennis for a couple months a year or so ago.

The Dunlop F 3.0 Tour gives me no problems with my arm whatsoever. The feel on contact has little shock. Contact feels similar to a Pro Kennex Kinetic 5G - very clean and uniform with no flutter in the hoop at all.
Same here, I had to take 6 months off a year ago but my elbow still feels tender sometimes.

I've been playing with the PK 7g for 10 years. In the demo box along with the F3.0 Tour is a PK KI5 315 and Yonex RDIS 200. Hitting with all these yesterday, the F3.0 Tour was the least comfy for me.

That said, it felt like I was getting easy pace with the F3.0 and volleys felt really solid, even on reaction volleys to a hard drive or when the volley was made below the net at an angle to the racquet face. This would be a good doubles stick for me if my elbow weren't so picky.

JackB1
11-24-2012, 11:30 AM
I'll add that I've had TE on and off, to the severity where I've had to take a break from tennis for a couple months a year or so ago.

The Dunlop F 3.0 Tour gives me no problems with my arm whatsoever. The feel on contact has little shock. Contact feels similar to a Pro Kennex Kinetic 5G - very clean and uniform with no flutter in the hoop at all.

Homi...have you tried the M 3.0 as well? I found the M and F almost identical except for the string pattern.

Hominator
11-24-2012, 12:09 PM
Homi...have you tried the M 3.0 as well? I found the M and F almost identical except for the string pattern.

No, I haven't. Sorry.

retrograde
11-24-2012, 04:04 PM
I found the M and F almost identical except for the string pattern.
I only demo'd the F3.0 Tour and have not demo'd the M 3.0, but ....

After I demo racquets, I like to check on each stick's TW University data to see if they're consistent with what I experienced. The data won't tell the whole story, but any inconsistencies make me want to re-demo to see if I should re-evaluate. Anyways, the two tools I like to use are:

Power Potential & Sweetspot Size scatter plots:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/poweruniverse.cgi

Vibration Frequency:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi

Using the above, I can see why the M3.0 and F3.0 seem similar to you, at least to a first order. Their power potential distributions and sweetspot zone areas are pretty similar.

Pneumated1
11-24-2012, 04:54 PM
the new Dunlops are NOTHING like the prior models. Its a totally new mold.
Definitely stiffer feeling than the X10.

Thanks. It's as I expected then. I'm set for awhile with my Londons, but they'll wear out eventually. I'd like to move into a London-like frame that I know won't be discontinued, but I'll cross that bridge then.

JackB1
11-24-2012, 05:33 PM
Thanks. It's as I expected then. I'm set for awhile with my Londons, but they'll wear out eventually. I'd like to move into a London-like frame that I know won't be discontinued, but I'll cross that bridge then.

Why not just stock up now and buy a bunch of them? They're pretty cheap right now at most places.

Hominator
11-24-2012, 06:01 PM
Thanks for clarifying that for me, Hominator, and sorry for splitting hairs.

If it's more crisp than the X10s, then I won't need to bother. I have to have some noticeable flex. My choices are severely limited, so I'll try to keep stocking up on my frame.

Still think it's worth a demo, if you get the chance. Very surprised with the frame.

Pneumated1
11-24-2012, 06:10 PM
Why not just stock up now and buy a bunch of them? They're pretty cheap right now at most places.

I've begun to do just that.

Stringers
11-24-2012, 06:10 PM
Definitely a stiff frame but did enjoy the action I got with them! Very lively feel for it's specs.

Something about the frame tho that I couldn't get past, whether it was the stiffness or the shape, couldn't quite place my finger on it, but never felt comfortable hitting with this stick.

Pneumated1
11-24-2012, 06:38 PM
Still think it's worth a demo, if you get the chance. Very surprised with the frame.

I most likely will. If modern trends hold, this F 3.0 Tour may be the "flexible" of the future.

Hominator
11-25-2012, 08:44 AM
Hit with the 3.0 F Tour again this morning. I hit one with Luxilon Alu Power Rough and one with Dunlop Silk. I must say, I was really surprised at how much I liked the one strung with Dunlop Silk. The strings didn't move much and the power, spin, and feel were spot on for me. I was quite surprised with how much spin I was able to get. The difference in spin production between the Luxilon and Silk was negligible to me.

I did, however, hit the black off the strings within an hour. Might be my new string of choice.

JackB1
11-26-2012, 05:29 PM
Hit with the 3.0 F Tour again this morning. I hit one with Luxilon Alu Power Rough and one with Dunlop Silk. I must say, I was really surprised at how much I liked the one strung with Dunlop Silk. The strings didn't move much and the power, spin, and feel were spot on for me. I was quite surprised with how much spin I was able to get. The difference in spin production between the Luxilon and Silk was negligible to me.

I did, however, hit the black off the strings within an hour. Might be my new string of choice.

the Dunlops really go well with multis since they are relatively low powered. But I have to say, I didn't like Silk at all....really think there are dozens of better feeling multi's out there. The difference between Silk and something like Xcel is like a mile wide IMO. Yes it is low powered and doesn't move, but that's it for me. No pocketing and give to the string like other multis. Feels like a cheap syngut to me.

Hominator
11-26-2012, 06:33 PM
the Dunlops really go well with multis since they are relatively low powered. But I have to say, I didn't like Silk at all....really think there are dozens of better feeling multi's out there. The difference between Silk and something like Xcel is like a mile wide IMO. Yes it is low powered and doesn't move, but that's it for me. No pocketing and give to the string like other multis. Feels like a cheap syngut to me.

Yeah, I've seen the negative reviews for Silk, but I liked it in this frame. Maybe it's because I grew up on regular synthetic gut and tend to gravitate towards that feel. I strung another one with black Xcel, pretty much my go to string, so i'll get the chance to compare the two soon.

MikeHitsHard93
11-26-2012, 06:54 PM
I hated silk as well. Demoed a bio 300t way back and really didn't like the stuff feel of those strings.

kc571
11-27-2012, 05:57 AM
Agreed on the Silk. It was almost worth it to string it up the way that I wanted. The racquet was good to hit with, but I hit more unforced errors in matches. That worried me a little. My other demo stick was the Donnay XDUAL. For me, I was able to keep the ball in and win points.

JackB1
11-27-2012, 06:33 AM
Silk would be good for someone who doesn't like their multi's to feel like typical multi's (springy, elastic, powerful). Silk is very firm feeling with lower power than most multi's. That doesn't make it bad...just different.

corners
11-27-2012, 06:40 AM
Anyways, the two tools I like to use are:

Power Potential & Sweetspot Size scatter plots:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/poweruniverse.cgi

Vibration Frequency:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi

Using the above, I can see why the M3.0 and F3.0 seem similar to you, at least to a first order. Their power potential distributions and sweetspot zone areas are pretty similar.

Wow, the F3.0 that TWU tested has vibration frequency (dynamic flex) of 138. Most frames that flexible test around 58-62 RDC. The reason why people are reporting that the F plays soft is because it is soft. BTW, C10 Pro has vibration frequency of 137.

retrograde
11-27-2012, 07:19 PM
Wow, the F3.0 that TWU tested has vibration frequency (dynamic flex) of 138. Most frames that flexible test around 58-62 RDC. The reason why people are reporting that the F plays soft is because it is soft. BTW, C10 Pro has vibration frequency of 137.
Yes, that's a relatively low characteristic frequency. Along with my F3.0 demo were a Yonex RDIS 200 and PK KI5 315, both known to be comfy racquets. Their frequencies are 136 and 140, respectively.

My first and second sessions with the F3.0, I felt it was stiffer/less-comfy than the RDIS 200 and KI5 315. During the third session today, the F3.0 didn't feel so bad. I'm chalking it up to strings or a touchy elbow for now.

Hominator
12-03-2012, 04:38 AM
Practiced with one of my F 3.0 Tours strung with Babolat Xcel 17 black. The Xcel provided a much softer feel, consistent with what you would expect from a multi. Very soft and powerful. The Silk, by comparison, felt much stiffer, similar to regular synthetic gut, but a tad softer.

Surprisingly, I think I prefer the Silk in this frame. The stringbed feels very uniform and offers a very quick response. I'm also able to get a bit more control on my groundstrokes with Silk.

That said, I probably wouldn't pay full price for Silk.

acura9927
12-04-2012, 01:48 PM
When do you guys expect the Bio 300 Tour to be under 100 dollars new? I want to get another one, I've searched all over and this is the only racquet made for me to swing away without sailing the ball to the back fence. I was thinking it would go down even lower than 129 on TW but hasn't yet.

themitchmann
12-04-2012, 07:56 PM
I hit with it while testing several frames, including the new Head Speeds and Instincts, as well as the Steam 99S.

The Dunlop was the worst of the group. Very tinny feeling to me. Too light for a "Tour" racquet.

It's too bad, as I really wanted to like it. I dig the pj, though.

tom4ny
12-05-2012, 05:36 AM
like the Bio 300 tour, the F3.0 Tour feels best when strung below 55#'s. When I first got my F3.0 from TW, they had strung it way too tight for me, around 60 #'s even though I had requested 55/52. Anyway, it was like night and day especially with a poly.

The F3.0 Tour is very stable for it's weight and can handle hitting against hard hitting opponents. I have had no issue with the racquet twisting even on off center shots. It is a fast frame with a snappy string bed and great control. Shock dampening is better than the Bio 300 Tour. The F3.0 has good power but I still added lead from 11:00-1:00 to match my Bio 300 Tours and I like it even better. The Bio 300 Tour's string bed has more dwell time and you feel the flex of the frame more. I understand what Dunlop means when they say that the new version is more "modern" but for my game the more oval head shape and the more traditional feel of the Bio 300 Tour is preferable.

I like these frames with Kirshbaum Pro Line II and Pro Line X and also with Isospeed Professional Classic and Energetic - all 17 gauge.

Hominator
12-05-2012, 08:40 AM
like the Bio 300 tour, the F3.0 Tour feels best when strung below 55#'s. When I first got my F3.0 from TW, they had strung it way too tight for me, around 60 #'s even though I had requested 55/52. Anyway, it was like night and day especially with a poly.

The F3.0 Tour is very stable for it's weight and can handle hitting against hard hitting opponents. I have had no issue with the racquet twisting even on off center shots. It is a fast frame with a snappy string bed and great control. Shock dampening is better than the Bio 300 Tour. The F3.0 has good power but I still added lead from 11:00-1:00 to match my Bio 300 Tours and I like it even better. The Bio 300 Tour's string bed has more dwell time and you feel the flex of the frame more. I understand what Dunlop means when they say that the new version is more "modern" but for my game the more oval head shape and the more traditional feel of the Bio 300 Tour is preferable.

I like these frames with Kirshbaum Pro Line II and Pro Line X and also with Isospeed Professional Classic and Energetic - all 17 gauge.

Agreed on all accounts.

JackB1
12-05-2012, 10:26 AM
Practiced with one of my F 3.0 Tours strung with Babolat Xcel 17 black. The Xcel provided a much softer feel, consistent with what you would expect from a multi. Very soft and powerful. The Silk, by comparison, felt much stiffer, similar to regular synthetic gut, but a tad softer.

Surprisingly, I think I prefer the Silk in this frame. The stringbed feels very uniform and offers a very quick response. I'm also able to get a bit more control on my groundstrokes with Silk.

That said, I probably wouldn't pay full price for Silk.

It's odd that the name of the string is "silk", but its one of the stiffest feeling multis around ??? But I agree Homi...it feels like a syngut to me.

JackB1
12-05-2012, 10:29 AM
I hit with it while testing several frames, including the new Head Speeds and Instincts, as well as the Steam 99S.

The Dunlop was the worst of the group. Very tinny feeling to me. Too light for a "Tour" racquet.

It's too bad, as I really wanted to like it. I dig the pj, though.

I agree. The 3.0M did have a "tinny" feel for me as well. I also loved the new pj and really wanted to love this frame, but it fell short. On the other hand, I am LOVING the Steam 99s! Very solid feeling frame for its weight.

themitchmann
12-05-2012, 03:13 PM
I agree. The 3.0M did have a "tinny" feel for me as well. I also loved the new pj and really wanted to love this frame, but it fell short. On the other hand, I am LOVING the Steam 99s! Very solid feeling frame for its weight.

The Steam is much better in the feel department.

catpower
12-05-2012, 04:05 PM
Is the grip size and shape similar to the previous biomimetic range?
Because the previous versions didn't have much of a buttcap, will probably get a size smaller and build up the buttcap if they are still the same.

oldSchool
12-05-2012, 06:21 PM
I am really liking Technifibre X-1 Biphase 17 gauge in this new frame. This has been my go-to string for a couple of years now, and I have yet to find a frame that these strings play better in. This frame seems to offset some control issues I have had with this string in the past in frames including the Bio 200 Tour, Bio 300 Tour, and Bio 200G. With these frames hitting out was a much riskier proposition in terms of timing and racquet face angle than with the F3.0 Tour, and I feel the F3.0 Tour delivers more power than any of these other frames when hitting out. More similar to the Bio 400 Tour (where I used Black Widow), but still more power, and control, and feel, and much more stability.

buffalobill3
12-05-2012, 10:11 PM
I use to play with the 4D 300 Tour and am now playing with the F 3.0 Tour. I get just as much control with the F 3.0 as the 4D with more power and I serve really well with it too. I didn't notice a tinny feel with the racquet but I don't play with poly.

tom4ny
12-06-2012, 02:47 AM
i don't think that the F3.0 feels "tinny" but I can understand that impression if this frame is strung tight and it certainly does not have the feel of a box beam, but that is by design. The new frame geometry and "true oval" head shape is meant to create a "modern" racket where the ball comes off the strings fast and shots are more powerful. Feel is intentionally compromised that is why there will be a classic series as well.

I agree that there is good power for a lighter players frame. Add a little lead along the upper hoop and it is even better.

Interesting comment on X-1 Biphase. I like that string also but did not like it in my Bio 300T as it was too lively compared to the lower powered Isospeed strings that I am used to. It may be something to try again in the F3.0 Tour.

The grip is similar to the Bio range but they inproved on the tackiness and it is not as tacky and more comfortable. Also, the grip is at least an inch longer now for those with a 2 handed bh. The butt cap size seams the same to me.

themitchmann
12-06-2012, 03:44 AM
I use to play with the 4D 300 Tour and am now playing with the F 3.0 Tour. I get just as much control with the F 3.0 as the 4D with more power and I serve really well with it too. I didn't notice a tinny feel with the racquet but I don't play with poly.

I tried it with a full bed of Silk. I was really surprised it felt so bad.

Shangri La
12-06-2012, 01:32 PM
Too bad the new version doesnt have the old school Dunlop feel..

JackB1
12-06-2012, 06:45 PM
Too bad the new version doesnt have the old school Dunlop feel..

That's the whole idea...they are going for a more "modern" feel.

ccmtennis
12-10-2012, 07:41 AM
That's the whole idea...they are going for a more "modern" feel.

Yeah I totally agree with you. I think this is a definite "game changer" for any like me who was not even a dunlop fan. Everything from a small sweet spot to the frame shape and feel was appealing even with their new line. This is a real sleeper and absolutely fantastic with some added weight in the upper hoop. Too bad it doesn't have the mass appeal of Babolats or wilson but I think this is a welcomed addition and won me over. I never thought I would even like a 18x20 pattern and I was coming from the BB london and occasionally APDGT

JackB1
12-10-2012, 08:27 AM
Yeah I totally agree with you. I think this is a definite "game changer" for any like me who was not even a dunlop fan. Everything from a small sweet spot to the frame shape and feel was appealing even with their new line. This is a real sleeper and absolutely fantastic with some added weight in the upper hoop. Too bad it doesn't have the mass appeal of Babolats or wilson but I think this is a welcomed addition and won me over. I never thought I would even like a 18x20 pattern and I was coming from the BB london and occasionally APDGT

the London is similar to a 18x20 because the drill pattern is very tight in the center of the London.

So you like the smallish sweet spot on the F 3.0? That was something I didn't like. I felt it was too easy to miss and anything hit outside the sweetspot didn't go anywhere.

mike_l
12-10-2012, 01:40 PM
looking at TWU data for F/M 3.0, sweet spot doesn't look that small, anyone share JackB1's experience?

Hominator
12-10-2012, 01:58 PM
I think both ccmtennis and Jack found the sweetspot to be small, to be fair.

I personally do not find the sweetspot small at all, but - and I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way - from the looks of the fraying on my stringbed, I'm hitting pretty cleanly.

I bet string tension would also play a role as to whether the sweetspot feels small.

mike_l
12-10-2012, 02:25 PM
the previous versions of 300/300t (4d,bio) had smaller sweet spots, this might influence some people's experiece, but i'm not judging, we feel what we feel, unfortunately blinded testing in tennis is very rarely a possibility

ccmtennis
12-10-2012, 04:12 PM
I think both ccmtennis and Jack found the sweetspot to be small, to be fair.

I personally do not find the sweetspot small at all, but - and I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way - from the looks of the fraying on my stringbed, I'm hitting pretty cleanly.

I bet string tension would also play a role as to whether the sweetspot feels small.

No sorry I meant to say that I always felt that their old lines had a much smaller sweet spot than this. I think this stick is awesome and unlike anything they have offered before. I did not like the PJ too much and had a suboptimal experience ownig the new max 200g...frankly did not think I would like it but bought it after my first match with it. Customizing to add a little weight is easy and make it sing

ccmtennis
12-10-2012, 04:29 PM
[QUOTE=JackB1;7055925]the London is similar to a 18x20 because the drill pattern is very tight in the center of the London.

Agreed I never used to pay too much attention to that but I do now

Hominator
12-10-2012, 05:00 PM
No sorry I meant to say that I always felt that their old lines had a much smaller sweet spot than this. I think this stick is awesome and unlike anything they have offered before. I did not like the PJ too much and had a suboptimal experience ownig the new max 200g...frankly did not think I would like it but bought it after my first match with it. Customizing to add a little weight is easy and make it sing

Sorry, my bad!

tom4ny
12-11-2012, 05:04 AM
in my opinion the F3.0 Tour has a bigger sweetspot than the Biomimetic 300 Tour, and it is also higher up on the racquet face. I'm still not convinced that it has more power than the prior version but the F3.0 definitely has a livelier stringbed and is "snappier". The older box beam shape feels nicer and more traditional but both frames hit a heavy ball and are very stable given their static weight and beam width.

I believe and understand other people's experiences and their feeling that the F3.0 has a small sweetspot. From the stringing error made with my F3.0 i can say that it is not as friendly or forgiving if strung close to 60 lbs. Once I had my setup of 55/52 it played awesome - the sweetspot was larger and the stringbed less jarring.

If a large sweetspot is desired than I believe that a rounder headshape is better. An oval shaped frame is better for flat ball strikers and aggressive all court players who place a premium on control. My game is not well suited for a powerful frame so I tend to like the oval head shape. The new F3.0 is trying to find a middle ground which I think Dunlop acheived. They also fixed the need for adding lead to the upper hoop, though I still did.

MrFlynntastic
12-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Has anyone modified the F 3.0 Tour for weighting?

tom4ny
12-18-2012, 07:01 AM
Has anyone modified the F 3.0 Tour for weighting?

I have added 4 grams to the top hoop spread over the "Dunlop" graphic. The F3.0 Tour was stable without lead but I like the added plow I get and now it serves as well as my modified Bio 300 Tours.

MrFlynntastic
12-25-2012, 07:12 PM
I have added 4 grams to the top hoop spread over the "Dunlop" graphic. The F3.0 Tour was stable without lead but I like the added plow I get and now it serves as well as my modified Bio 300 Tours.

Thanks for the reply. I am the same, except I kept my 4g of tape at more of a 10 & 2 position, avoiding the label area at the top of the hoop.
Also, 7g in the handle and a leather grip. New mass is 339g, with a 327 SW.:shock:
Klip K boom mains @ 56, Klip gut crosses @ 54.

crosscourt
12-26-2012, 07:47 AM
Can anyone compare the F3.0 Tour with the new APD? Many thanks.

JackB1
12-26-2012, 11:12 AM
do you guys think the new Dunlop's gripsize is the same as most others, or larger or smaller?

srvnvly
12-26-2012, 12:40 PM
do you guys think the new Dunlop's gripsize is the same as most others, or larger or smaller?

Jack - I would say the grip runs true-to-size, to a skosh smaller than normal. The problem is, what is normal? Babolat and now Wilson are making their grips larger than normal, and Head has one handle shape for their Speed series, and another (rectangular) for the ret of their series. Definitely confusing.

Hominator
12-27-2012, 04:04 AM
Jack - I would say the grip runs true-to-size, to a skosh smaller than normal. The problem is, what is normal? Babolat and now Wilson are making their grips larger than normal, and Head has one handle shape for their Speed series, and another (rectangular) for the ret of their series. Definitely confusing.

Agreed. The grip size seems pretty standard to me - I really like the shape and feel of the grip.

tlm
12-27-2012, 01:48 PM
I had my first hit with this racket last night, I have to say it is really nice. Very unique feel it has a crisp feel but without much shock, love the way the ball feels coming off this stick.

It is a great serving racket, I was getting a lot more on my serves than with my regular racket. It had 16 gauge nxt in it so I will see how it plays with a full bed of 17 gauge poly.

The slice back hand was excellent and defensive shots as well. Plus I could really flatten out my forehand for aggressive shots. I hit a loopy top spin forehand most of the time with a lot of top spin and I was getting good spin from this stick even with the tight pattern.

The only problem I was having is some of my forehands were carrying long, but I am hoping the poly will change that. I am going to give this racket a good demo and may be changing to it.

As far as the older model I thought it was dead and nowhere near as nice as the f 3.0.

tlm
12-30-2012, 10:31 AM
I have been using this racket for a week now and it is a very nice racket. Still experimenting with different strings to find what works best, but this is a very good stick.

With a little more demo time I think I will me changing to it shortly.

I can't believe that there is almost a 1000 posts on the wilson spin rocket launcher racket and very little interest in a great racket like this.

tom4ny
12-30-2012, 11:01 AM
I have been using this racket for a week now and it is a very nice racket. Still experimenting with different strings to find what works best, but this is a very good stick.

With a little more demo time I think I will me changing to it shortly.

I can't believe that there is almost a 1000 posts on the wilson spin rocket launcher racket and very little interest in a great racket like this.

welcome to the club! i agree that this is one slipping in under the radar and that it is a great new frame from dunlop. it won't generate the spin of that wilson but for an 18x20 it is very spin friendly and you get a solid, snappy, frame with a quick stringbed.

i use 17g strings and have had a full bed of kirshbaum proline II which plays great at 52 lbs. the F3.0 is very arm friendly so i had no issues here but the racket did feel stiffer and had a noticeable "ping" when the ball was struck.

i now have a full bed of isospeed professional classic at 55 and i like it even better. the "ping" sound is gone and i still get decent spin but not as much as the kb proline II. this is also a 17g string.

the frame plays very solid stock but i have been tinkering with just a little lead at 3:9 and 10:2, then just covering the dunlop lettering. i think that i like the 3rd option best as the racket is pretty head light.

all that said i still go back and forth between my bio 300 tour and the new F3.0 tour

tom4ny
12-30-2012, 11:06 AM
Can anyone compare the F3.0 Tour with the new APD? Many thanks.

very similar frames but the apd is more powerful, stiffer, and generates better spin.

the F3.0 tour generates decent spin but it more control oriented and feels more solid yet less stiff. it is an arm friendly control oriented apd. power is still there though.

they both have a snappy lively stringbed and this is where they are very similar. i could see apd storm people really liking this dunlop and even some apd gt people. both frames are also very fast through the air but the F3.0 feels even faster because it is more headlight.

tom4ny
12-30-2012, 11:08 AM
do you guys think the new Dunlop's gripsize is the same as most others, or larger or smaller?

middle of the road grip size. it is not as square as head, volkl but feels a little bigger than more rounded grips.

tlm
12-30-2012, 03:13 PM
welcome to the club! i agree that this is one slipping in under the radar and that it is a great new frame from dunlop. it won't generate the spin of that wilson but for an 18x20 it is very spin friendly and you get a solid, snappy, frame with a quick stringbed.

i use 17g strings and have had a full bed of kirshbaum proline II which plays great at 52 lbs. the F3.0 is very arm friendly so i had no issues here but the racket did feel stiffer and had a noticeable "ping" when the ball was struck.

i now have a full bed of isospeed professional classic at 55 and i like it even better. the "ping" sound is gone and i still get decent spin but not as much as the kb proline II. this is also a 17g string.

the frame plays very solid stock but i have been tinkering with just a little lead at 3:9 and 10:2, then just covering the dunlop lettering. i think that i like the 3rd option best as the racket is pretty head light.

all that said i still go back and forth between my bio 300 tour and the new F3.0 tour

I think your observations are pretty much what I have experienced. I have found like you that full 17 gauge poly around 52 lbs. plays pretty well.

ccmtennis
12-31-2012, 05:53 AM
I think your observations are pretty much what I have experienced. I have found like you that full 17 gauge poly around 52 lbs. plays pretty well.

I agree with a lot of you here. I still can't believe how much better dunlop made this and is funny to me when everyone else is too obsessed with the new APD etc. I thought Black widow at 52 is pretty awesome here, soft, powerful for a poly and crazy spin

crosscourt
12-31-2012, 07:29 AM
very similar frames but the apd is more powerful, stiffer, and generates better spin.

the F3.0 tour generates decent spin but it more control oriented and feels more solid yet less stiff. it is an arm friendly control oriented apd. power is still there though.

they both have a snappy lively stringbed and this is where they are very similar. i could see apd storm people really liking this dunlop and even some apd gt people. both frames are also very fast through the air but the F3.0 feels even faster because it is more headlight.

You make it sound very interesting. From the TW reviews of both rackets the main negative observation about the Dunlop is that a little more plough through would assist. That comment is not made about the APD. Is this difference something that you have noticed playing both rackets?

tom4ny
12-31-2012, 07:39 AM
You make it sound very interesting. From the TW reviews of both rackets the main negative observation about the Dunlop is that a little more plough through would assist. That comment is not made about the APD. Is this difference something that you have noticed playing both rackets?

the apd does have more plow then the F3.0 tour. i have been tinkering with lead tape and like using 1/4" lead tape to cover the "dunlop" lettering on the upper hoop. it's like 3 grams i think. i dont think that the F3.0 needs tape for stability except on maybe the hardest of shots but just a little bit of lead tape gives some more oomph and drive to my shots. i also have lead on my bio 300 tours but there it is also needed to strengthen that upper hoop that is dead without it.

Irrelevant
12-31-2012, 12:57 PM
Anyone players out there wanna give their views on how the F3.0 plays versus the old BLX Blades?

tom4ny
12-31-2012, 02:30 PM
Anyone players out there wanna give their views on how the F3.0 plays versus the old BLX Blades?

the blx blade feels closer to a traditional frame with more ball dwell time on the string bed. it also has more plow due to its higher swing weight. the F3.0 is a faster frame - the ball leaves the strings faster and you can generate more spin from the increased racket head speed. the F3.0 also has a longer handle if you have a 2hbh. the blx blade has more power but the F3.0 has good power and with a little lead you can get more plow through but still have enough spin to keep the ball in play.

tlm
12-31-2012, 02:39 PM
You make it sound very interesting. From the TW reviews of both rackets the main negative observation about the Dunlop is that a little more plough through would assist. That comment is not made about the APD. Is this difference something that you have noticed playing both rackets?

I have not tried the new APD, but I have used the original model and demoed some of the updated models in the last few years. To me the APD + F 3.0 tour have nothing in common.

The APD is a stiff powerful rocket launcher compared to the dunlop. Were the F 3.0 although crisp has a nice comfy feel to it compared to the arm breaking APD. Plus the dunlop has very good control were the bab is much more powerful and erratic. Plus the F 3.0 swings very fast and easy were the APD feels like a clunker.

I did not think that these rackets were similar in any way, almost complete opposites.

Blitzball
01-01-2013, 09:49 AM
I have not tried the new APD, but I have used the original model and demoed some of the updated models in the last few years. To me the APD + F 3.0 tour have nothing in common.

The APD is a stiff powerful rocket launcher compared to the dunlop. Were the F 3.0 although crisp has a nice comfy feel to it compared to the arm breaking APD. Plus the dunlop has very good control were the bab is much more powerful and erratic. Plus the F 3.0 swings very fast and easy were the APD feels like a clunker.

I did not think that these rackets were similar in any way, almost complete opposites.

Well, the new F 3.0 Tour is closer to the APD than the previous 300, the Biomimetic, which is very similar to Blade. The F 3.0 is indeed stiffer, snappier, and more maneuverable than its predecessor, so it is verging somewhere between the Blade and APD but on your spectrum maybe closer to the Blade. I'd say it sits right in the middle, which is nice because you get just about the best of both worlds: you get that nice modern feel that still retains good comfort, better spin than previous models yet solid control. The pop is also ample, but the plow through, especially when returning heavier shots, forced me to add a bunch of lead tape to the hoop. Luckily, the F 3.0 Tour is very open to customization.

But I have a question: does anyone know how much more weight the Dunlop leather grip would add if I took out the stock replacement grip for it?

tlm
01-01-2013, 10:51 AM
Well, the new F 3.0 Tour is closer to the APD than the previous 300, the Biomimetic, which is very similar to Blade. The F 3.0 is indeed stiffer, snappier, and more maneuverable than its predecessor, so it is verging somewhere between the Blade and APD but on your spectrum maybe closer to the Blade. I'd say it sits right in the middle, which is nice because you get just about the best of both worlds: you get that nice modern feel that still retains good comfort, better spin than previous models yet solid control. The pop is also ample, but the plow through, especially when returning heavier shots, forced me to add a bunch of lead tape to the hoop. Luckily, the F 3.0 Tour is very open to customization.

But I have a question: does anyone know how much more weight the Dunlop leather grip would add if I took out the stock replacement grip for it?

I would agree with your assessment, pretty accurate.

MrFlynntastic
01-01-2013, 04:26 PM
probably around 2 to 3 grams?

tom4ny
01-03-2013, 05:05 AM
do you guys think the new Dunlop's gripsize is the same as most others, or larger or smaller?

I just noticed this last night Jack, I think that the grip on the new F3.0 tour is just slightly larger than the biomimetic 300 tour. I just replaced the original grip with a head hydrosorb tour grip that I have on my bio 300 tours and the F3.0 runs just a bit larger. I hadn't noticed with the original grip because it is much thinner then the head grip.

So Dunlop may have increased the grip size slighly on these new models. If that is what you were sensing, I think that you are correct!

tom4ny
01-03-2013, 05:14 AM
Others may disagree with my assessment that is ok but I still feel that the F3.0 tour is like a babolat apd in that dunlop has created a 'modern" feeling racquet. In that I mean that is is crisp, with a fast and snappy stringbed that allows one to generate some monster shots with impressive spin. The F3.0 tour does not have the plow through of an apd but is is more maneuverable and much more arm friendly. The F3.0 tour is a stiff frame but it is a very comfortable hit. Power level is comparable to an apd but comes from racket head speed as opposed to mass in the head like the apd has. A little lead in the upper hoop of the F3.0 tour gives some more plow through and fire power on serves. imo the F3.0 is very stable and does not need lead for stability like the bio 300 tour did.

I have decided to switch to the F3.0 tour from my bio 300 tour.

Blitzball
01-03-2013, 09:01 AM
Others may disagree with my assessment that is ok but I still feel that the F3.0 tour is like a babolat apd in that dunlop has created a 'modern" feeling racquet. In that I mean that is is crisp, with a fast and snappy stringbed that allows one to generate some monster shots with impressive spin. The F3.0 tour does not have the plow through of an apd but is is more maneuverable and much more arm friendly. The F3.0 tour is a stiff frame but it is a very comfortable hit. Power level is comparable to an apd but comes from racket head speed as opposed to mass in the head like the apd has. A little lead in the upper hoop of the F3.0 tour gives some more plow through and fire power on serves. imo the F3.0 is very stable and does not need lead for stability like the bio 300 tour did.

I have decided to switch to the F3.0 tour from my bio 300 tour.

Very agreeable review. I've switched as well after giving the F3.0 Tour some lead at the 10 and 2 for slightly more head-heaviness to help plow through defensive shots and the serve. I'm honestly liking it more and more than my Bio 300T every time I play with it.

tom4ny
01-03-2013, 09:36 AM
Very agreeable review. I've switched as well after giving the F3.0 Tour some lead at the 10 and 2 for slightly more head-heaviness to help plow through defensive shots and the serve. I'm honestly liking it more and more than my Bio 300T every time I play with it.

Hey BB! I got my F3.0 tour back in October when it first came out and I hit with it for a bit but did not care for the feel so I put it back down. A few weeks later I came back to it and my hitting partner started to say that he thought I played better with the F3.0. I wouldnt accept that and went back to my Bio. Long story short I started playing with the F3.0 a lot this month which set my overall game back slightly (from switching back and forth) but it became clear to me that my shots were better, heavier, spinnier, etc. so now I am a true believer.

I liked the way the F3.0 played with lead at 10:2 also! I then ran the lead all along the upper hoop covering the "dunlop" lettering which is similar to my Bio 300 tour setup. Serving was great with this setup! I started to hit my groundies long by a bit though so I probably would go back to the 10:2 layup that you have but for now I am going stock.

I will be curious what you decide over the coming weeks. Good luck!

Blitzball
01-03-2013, 05:17 PM
Hey BB! I got my F3.0 tour back in October when it first came out and I hit with it for a bit but did not care for the feel so I put it back down. A few weeks later I came back to it and my hitting partner started to say that he thought I played better with the F3.0. I wouldnt accept that and went back to my Bio. Long story short I started playing with the F3.0 a lot this month which set my overall game back slightly (from switching back and forth) but it became clear to me that my shots were better, heavier, spinnier, etc. so now I am a true believer.

I liked the way the F3.0 played with lead at 10:2 also! I then ran the lead all along the upper hoop covering the "dunlop" lettering which is similar to my Bio 300 tour setup. Serving was great with this setup! I started to hit my groundies long by a bit though so I probably would go back to the 10:2 layup that you have but for now I am going stock.

I will be curious what you decide over the coming weeks. Good luck!

Hey tom! Yeah it seems like my experience with the racquet is verging on your story with it! I hit with it again today and I'm really dialing in on my groundies, volleys, and serve. That lead tape really made a difference. I'm glad you already tried leading the upper hoop-- I was planning on doing that too but I'll probably just stick with the 10 & 2o'clock setup. It's really a sweet hitting stick like this. I still miss the solidity of the backhand when using the Bio 300 Tour, but the remarkable feel of the F3.0 Tour is slowly converting me. I guess we'll see how far this racquet takes us. From the look of it, it's gonna take us far!

tlm
01-04-2013, 03:34 AM
Others may disagree with my assessment that is ok but I still feel that the F3.0 tour is like a babolat apd in that dunlop has created a 'modern" feeling racquet. In that I mean that is is crisp, with a fast and snappy stringbed that allows one to generate some monster shots with impressive spin. The F3.0 tour does not have the plow through of an apd but is is more maneuverable and much more arm friendly. The F3.0 tour is a stiff frame but it is a very comfortable hit. Power level is comparable to an apd but comes from racket head speed as opposed to mass in the head like the apd has. A little lead in the upper hoop of the F3.0 tour gives some more plow through and fire power on serves. imo the F3.0 is very stable and does not need lead for stability like the bio 300 tour did.

I have decided to switch to the F3.0 tour from my bio 300 tour.



I agree with most of what you are saying, it is definitely crisp with a fast snappy string bed. Also I agree this is the only dunlop that I have used that has a modern feel to it.

Is it really that stiff? Or is it just because of the crisp feel? I thought it has a 64 stiffness rating. I have been demoing a lot of rackets lately and this is the best one so far by a lot, getting ready to purchase a couple of them.

ccmtennis
01-04-2013, 08:20 PM
I think you guys are spot on with your reviews here. I was not even a dunlop fan before switching to this so I think this is one of the best sticks around that is still flying nder the radar. I am not fan of the beam width and paint job but that's just personal. The stiffness rating does feel higher than listed but it is very comfortable. As a former donnay P1 user I thought it felt quite the same with their foam filled frames

tlm
01-04-2013, 09:04 PM
I think you guys are spot on with your reviews here. I was not even a dunlop fan before switching to this so I think this is one of the best sticks around that is still flying nder the radar. I am not fan of the beam width and paint job but that's just personal. The stiffness rating does feel higher than listed but it is very comfortable. As a former donnay P1 user I thought it felt quite the same with their foam filled frames

How does the power level of the P1 compare to the dunlop.

ccmtennis
01-05-2013, 08:04 AM
How does the power level of the P1 compare to the dunlop.

Much higher and closer to the APD. It does however serve a lot better and more comfortable but at the expense of being much less maneurable which is why I gave it up. I never liked an 18x 20 pattern due to the lack of spin but the f tour is great and slices are phenomenal

tlm
01-05-2013, 07:29 PM
Much higher and closer to the APD. It does however serve a lot better and more comfortable but at the expense of being much less maneurable which is why I gave it up. I never liked an 18x 20 pattern due to the lack of spin but the f tour is great and slices are phenomenal

I agree good spin and great for slicing.

Blitzball
01-06-2013, 09:06 AM
I agree good spin and great for slicing.

Yeah it's probably the most spin potential you'll find in a stick with 18x20 string pattern. Even the TW reviewers gave it something like 84 which is above average/good. Plus the maneuverability/whippiness of the racquet allows for some more access to wicked topspin. My kick serve has really been improving and causing trouble for my opponents. But I've been using 16g strings this whole time-- I'll probably go with 17g to see if that can take me even further in terms of spin and plow through because I still feel like I'm getting pushed around sometimes.

ccmtennis
01-07-2013, 05:43 AM
Yeah it's probably the most spin potential you'll find in a stick with 18x20 string pattern. Even the TW reviewers gave it something like 84 which is above average/good. Plus the maneuverability/whippiness of the racquet allows for some more access to wicked topspin. My kick serve has really been improving and causing trouble for my opponents. But I've been using 16g strings this whole time-- I'll probably go with 17g to see if that can take me even further in terms of spin and plow through because I still feel like I'm getting pushed around sometimes.

Has anyone tried replacing the grip with leather? I am thinking bout trying this.

MrFlynntastic
01-07-2013, 07:32 PM
Yes, I put a dunlop leather grip on mine. You have to stretch it out a bit further b/c the length of the handle is longer. I did this upon purchase and have no idea what it plays like in comparison to stock form. I put a thin over grip on it. The ridges from the leather are nice. Would recommend it.

Pneumated1
01-08-2013, 06:15 AM
Yes, I put a dunlop leather grip on mine. You have to stretch it out a bit further b/c the length of the handle is longer. I did this upon purchase and have no idea what it plays like in comparison to stock form. I put a thin over grip on it. The ridges from the leather are nice. Would recommend it.

I just noticed the AG 300 in your signature. How/where do you customize that frame? I hit a customized 300G forever and almost upgraded to the AG 300 several times before going to Volkl/BB sticks. I busted the strings in both of my Londons last year in a league match and had to use a teammates AG 300, and it felt like I had played it forever. Although it was too light stock and a grip size too small, I sensed that it would be a great stick customized.

And not to totally hijack this thread, has anyone tried hitting this F 3.0 Tour with very low string tensions? The silk in my demo felt way too tight to do the racquet justice, imo.

tom4ny
01-08-2013, 07:08 AM
I've had my F3.0 tour strung with a full bed of poly (KB proline2) at 52 and 50 and liked it. Currently I am at 55 with Isospeed Professional Classic.

For me this frame plays better at lower tensions. I did not like it at higher tensions. When I initially received my first F3.0 from TW it was strung above my requested tension and was around 60 lbs. I would not go higher than 57/56 but I prefer even a little lower. Under 50 lbs and it probably will be too powerful for my liking especially with lead added at 10:2

tom4ny
01-09-2013, 05:56 PM
I have now tried the same string set up at various tensions (60, 57, 55, 52, 50) and can say that at 55 lbs and lower you get some ball pocketing though not the dwell time that i feel the biomimetic 300 tour has. Power and spin are ample as long as swing speed is fast otherwise balls will sail on me. At 50 lbs the strings are moving a bit on me. At 57 the string bed firms up and I no longer feel the ball pocket but control is very good. I am still settling in at 55 lbs. It just seems to do everything well for me. This is with Isospeed Professional Classic. I really am enjoying this set up.

I have 100% switched to the F3.0 tour and am officially in honeymoon period with everything going well with this frame for me. I am now staying with one setup.

Pneumated1
01-10-2013, 03:47 AM
I have now tried the same string set up at various tensions (60, 57, 55, 52, 50) and can say that at 55 lbs and lower you get some ball pocketing though not the dwell time that i feel the biomimetic 300 tour has. Power and spin are ample as long as swing speed is fast otherwise balls will sail on me. At 50 lbs the strings are moving a bit on me. At 57 the string bed firms up and I no longer feel the ball pocket but control is very good. I am still settling in at 55 lbs. It just seems to do everything well for me. This is with Isospeed Professional Classic. I really am enjoying this set up.

I have 100% switched to the F3.0 tour and am officially in honeymoon period with everything going well with this frame for me. I am now staying with one setup.

Thanks, Tom. Everything that you state here is confirmed by my brief experience with my demo a while back. I probably had about 6g of added weight in the upper hoop from 3-9. With the tighter tension of the demo, I'd need to strip at least half of that weight. However, at 53-55#, I could likely keep the weight, but the frame is so stable already, the added swing speed would be a great benefit at any weight. I'd likely hit it stock and find the lowest tension that I could accept.

This is one "modern" frame that I'll consider once my Londons wear out.

cold_frame
01-10-2013, 02:07 PM
Anyone considered what the M3.0 16x19 would play like if was leaded up to match the specs of the F3.0
Just to have some more spin...
Or maybe if a 16x19 is what one needs, there are a lot of other frames to look at?

MrFlynntastic
01-10-2013, 05:26 PM
I just noticed the AG 300 in your signature. How/where do you customize that frame? I hit a customized 300G forever and almost upgraded to the AG 300 several times before going to Volkl/BB sticks. I busted the strings in both of my Londons last year in a league match and had to use a teammates AG 300, and it felt like I had played it forever. Although it was too light stock and a grip size too small, I sensed that it would be a great stick customized.

And not to totally hijack this thread, has anyone tried hitting this F 3.0 Tour with very low string tensions? The silk in my demo felt way too tight to do the racquet justice, imo.

Pneumated,

here's my mod'd specs for my AG 300:

- 21g in the handle, 4g at 10 and 2 o'clock and 3g at 12 o'clock -

The AG 300 racquet is fantastic at this spec. It does not get pushed around and I can get much more plow thru on my strokes.

In the 3.0F, I use a poly/nat gut hybrid at 54lb poly main, 52 gut X

TennisCJC
01-11-2013, 06:20 AM
Others may disagree with my assessment that is ok but I still feel that the F3.0 tour is like a babolat apd in that dunlop has created a 'modern" feeling racquet. In that I mean that is is crisp, with a fast and snappy stringbed that allows one to generate some monster shots with impressive spin. The F3.0 tour does not have the plow through of an apd but is is more maneuverable and much more arm friendly. The F3.0 tour is a stiff frame but it is a very comfortable hit. Power level is comparable to an apd but comes from racket head speed as opposed to mass in the head like the apd has. A little lead in the upper hoop of the F3.0 tour gives some more plow through and fire power on serves. imo the F3.0 is very stable and does not need lead for stability like the bio 300 tour did.

I have decided to switch to the F3.0 tour from my bio 300 tour.

I demo-ed the f3.0 and don't think it is like a bab apd. For me, apd is like a club while the f3.0 is softer than the apd but medium flex compared to all rackets. The f3.0 has much better feel than apd to me. APD is a unique racket to me in that it plays stiffer than rating and has very little feel. APD is perfect for mini-Nadal bashers while f3.0 could appeal to all court players.