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CCH4TENNIS
11-26-2012, 07:21 PM
Hi All

I understand that all Vokyl sticks come with a rectangular like grip.

What are the pros and cons of this grip shape ?

Thanks

PhrygianDominant
11-26-2012, 11:40 PM
It's just whatever you're comfortable with. I had some head racquets for a while, they have a rectangular grip, and you get used to it. It feels nice on serve, ok on forehands, and strange on a one handed backhand, in my opinion. If you have a 2 handed backhand, it will probably not bother you.

andress
11-27-2012, 02:36 AM
I have better control but less comfort with this kind of grip shape.

vantageboy
11-27-2012, 05:17 AM
It's just whatever you're comfortable with. I had some head racquets for a while, they have a rectangular grip, and you get used to it. It feels nice on serve, ok on forehands, and strange on a one handed backhand, in my opinion. If you have a 2 handed backhand, it will probably not bother you. he's right on the money--i felt the same thing--easy fix just order a attiva "s" pallet.

gonzalocatalino
11-27-2012, 06:11 AM
The volkl grip is less rectangular than the head classic (tk82 and TK76 pallets). Ive been playing prestiges for 1.5year and now switched to the C10 Pro. The Volkl Grip is, IMO, something in the middle between Head and some other brands (more square).

The rectangular handle (Head) seems to work better when grabbing the racquet with a continental grip, so it feels comfortable for serves and volleys. I can hit great flat serves with this grip.

I can take a pic later between a Volkl, head and prince buttcaps if you want

fuzz nation
11-27-2012, 06:40 AM
I can say that the square-ish, box-shaped Volkl grip seemed different to me when I switched into the C10 from my more traditional oval-shaped Wilson ProStaffs, but it was good for me in a couple of ways.

First off, I've always used a larger 4 5/8" grip size. Grip feel is quite a subjective issue for everyone and I definitely prefer a handle that "fills my hand" when I'm swinging a racquet. I've tried to use smaller grip sizes from several different companies, but when they get smaller, I quickly lose the feel of the bevels and my racquet angle can vary too much. Not all too confidence inspiring when my racquet face starts to wander.

Since I also go to the net a lot, I prefer a feeling of stability and control over the racquet for more authority on my volleys. Some of our pals here find it easier to swing through the ball with a smaller grip and I can't knock that if it works for anybody, but I've never had the impression that my larger grip made it tougher to make decent racquet speed. If anything, I think that when my grip is large enough for me (there's the catch), I have more positive contact with the racquet and can swing away with more control. That's just me.

Long story long... the Volkl grip profile (shape, etc.) feels bigger to me in comparison with other grips from other makers. On the other end of the spectrum, I've found the Prince 4 5/8" grip to be borderline small for me - more like a 4 1/2" grip from someone else.

I also switched into Volkl when I was retooling my ground strokes, including a one-handed backhand. For me, the bevels of a Volkl grip are easier to sense than the others - and I have many others in my collection. Finding the right grip position, especially with my one-hander, is significantly easier with my Volkls compared with anything else, including the more traditional oval. This simply means that I've found a "good fit".

While I see no downside to the shape of Volkl's handles, you may find that if you sample or even buy one, you may be more comfortable with one size smaller in the Volkl than you're used to... maybe not.

jrxl
11-27-2012, 10:36 AM
I can take a pic later between a Volkl, head and prince buttcaps if you want

That would be great. I know I would really like to see that. Thanks.

matchmaker
11-27-2012, 12:42 PM
Here is a link to a thread about grip shape. If you scroll down you will find a diagram comparing Head, Dunlop, Wilson, and Prince grips. IME Volkl grips are more rectangular than head grips.

Grip shape is all about personal preference. There are people who rave about Wilson's grip shape, but I personally prefer Head/Volkl's grip shape.

I once lost a match because at 5-2 up in the last set, my Wilson racquet's grip had been digging into my fingers and on an overhead it caused a blister too burst. I couldn't hold the handle anymore. I have never been as angry as after that match. I was seething. I was crushing the other guy and after the blister, I tried to tape it, but it was open skin and hurt like hell. There was nothing to do about it, I coulnd't play a single shot anymore.

Obviously this also happened because I hadn't played in a while and my skin had become too soft. But still, loosing a match because of a blister.... not fun. This has never happened to me with Head grips, they suit my hands a lot better, especially for volleys, where I feel the Wilson grip is too square and just digs into my hands.

Candide
11-27-2012, 01:48 PM
I've just given up on a Volkl Organix 10 after a year of good service. I picked up a Wilson BLX Six One and instantly felt like it was moulded to my hand. I enjoyed the X10 and played quite well with it but the grip shape, as well as the sponginess of the handle system makes the bevels feel indistinct and it was endlessly annoying on serve and overheads. The Wilson feels great in those departments. The serve just seems to sing. I know it's probably more to do with balance than with grip shape but it is certainly a factor.

2ManyAces
11-27-2012, 02:41 PM
hated the head grip imo

jrxl
11-27-2012, 03:19 PM
Here is a link to a thread about grip shape. If you scroll down you will find a diagram comparing Head, Dunlop, Wilson, and Prince grips. IME Volkl grips are more rectangular than head grips.



Could you post that link? Tried searching for it with no luck.

tball
11-27-2012, 03:26 PM
Head, at least, has the TK82S pallets, which are square. For me, they are perfect. So, users have a choice.

No such thing with Volkl. There are rumors of Attiva S, but I have not seen anyone positively confirming that these pallets are square, and it is not clear on which Volkl racquets they fit. The warnings say they are only for the "Attiva" racquets.

matchmaker
11-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Could you post that link? Tried searching for it with no luck.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=230284

Sorry, I forgot the link.

vantageboy
11-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Head, at least, has the TK82S pallets, which are square. For me, they are perfect. So, users have a choice.

No such thing with Volkl. There are rumors of Attiva S, but I have not seen anyone positively confirming that these pallets are square, and it is not clear on which Volkl racquets they fit. The warnings say they are only for the "Attiva" racquets.
i have both attiva s pallets on my london and x10 325 , so yes they exist they fit all bb/volkl frames and i would say they are a cross between a wilson/prince shape.

vantageboy
11-27-2012, 03:32 PM
Head, at least, has the TK82S pallets, which are square. For me, they are perfect. So, users have a choice.

No such thing with Volkl. There are rumors of Attiva S, but I have not seen anyone positively confirming that these pallets are square, and it is not clear on which Volkl racquets they fit. The warnings say they are only for the "Attiva" racquets.
i have both attiva s pallets on my london and x10 325 , so yes they exist they fit all bb/volkl frames with the pallet system and i would say they are a cross between a wilson/prince shape.

matchmaker
11-27-2012, 03:33 PM
I've just given up on a Volkl Organix 10 after a year of good service. I picked up a Wilson BLX Six One and instantly felt like it was moulded to my hand. I enjoyed the X10 and played quite well with it but the grip shape, as well as the sponginess of the handle system makes the bevels feel indistinct and it was endlessly annoying on serve and overheads. The Wilson feels great in those departments. The serve just seems to sing. I know it's probably more to do with balance than with grip shape but it is certainly a factor.

For me it is exactly the other way around.

hated the head grip imo

Yep, grip shapes are totally personal. It makes me think about discussions over bike saddles on cycling forums; what feels heavenly to one feels like hell to another.

CCH4TENNIS
11-28-2012, 06:51 AM
The volkl grip is less rectangular than the head classic (tk82 and TK76 pallets). Ive been playing prestiges for 1.5year and now switched to the C10 Pro. The Volkl Grip is, IMO, something in the middle between Head and some other brands (more square).

The rectangular handle (Head) seems to work better when grabbing the racquet with a continental grip, so it feels comfortable for serves and volleys. I can hit great flat serves with this grip.

I can take a pic later between a Volkl, head and prince buttcaps if you want

Yes, looking at your pic would be enlightening :-)

Top Jimmy
11-28-2012, 08:35 AM
Tried and organix 10 a few weeks ago. Grip felt really bad shape wise. Dunlop is my favorite at this point, then Wilson, then Head.

Candide
11-28-2012, 01:50 PM
For me it is exactly the other way around.



Yep, grip shapes are totally personal. It makes me think about discussions over bike saddles on cycling forums; what feels heavenly to one feels like hell to another.

Interesting. Different strokes for different folks eh?

mjnchen
11-28-2012, 02:13 PM
I am a Volkl user. I like Volkl's grip shape and I can easily transit to any Wilson, Yonex, Babolat and Dunlop rackets. I found Tecnifibre and Head's grip shapes are much more rectangular and I am not very used to their grip shapes.

Timbo's hopeless slice
11-28-2012, 02:29 PM
ye, it's funny, isn't it?

I don't really notice, but that may be because we only have HEAD and Volkl sticks in the family

(oh, not quite true, one of my sons has dunlop bio 300s, but he never lets anyone else touch them, so I dunno, lol!)

but I had a hit with a six.one the other night and didn't notice the grip at all.

(nice stick to serve with ,though!)

Pneumated1
11-30-2012, 04:57 AM
Coming from Dunlop 300's to the Becker Londons about two years ago, I can honestly say that I've adjusted to the grip shape and actually prefer Volkl/Becker. I find the shape to be very distinct in that I know at all times where I am on the grip. My forehand grip is just shy of SW, so I get more support on that side. On my 1hbh, I used to wander over into Western territory, but the Volkl/BB keeps me more "honest" around an extreme Eastern. The balance of drive and spin that I put on the ball is the best I've found.

I was in a shop the other day and picked up a PB 10-Mid in a 5/8 grip. It fit my hand like a glove but was still slightly too small.

I think that I'm going to swap out my 4 1/2 pallets for 5/8. With an overgrip over my Gamma Hi-Tech grips, or, over a Volkl DNX grip, which gives slightly more width while maintaining good weight and definition, I might have the perfect grip for me.

jrxl
12-01-2012, 11:17 AM
The volkl grip is less rectangular than the head classic (tk82 and TK76 pallets). Ive been playing prestiges for 1.5year and now switched to the C10 Pro. The Volkl Grip is, IMO, something in the middle between Head and some other brands (more square).

The rectangular handle (Head) seems to work better when grabbing the racquet with a continental grip, so it feels comfortable for serves and volleys. I can hit great flat serves with this grip.

I can take a pic later between a Volkl, head and prince buttcaps if you want

I got my C10s, so here is a pick of the Prince, Wilson, and Volkl buttcaps if anyone is interested. FYI, the Wilson buttcap is from an ancient Force 85, so it may not represent current racquets.

I have only played with the C10 for 3 hours now, but the switch hasn't been too bad considering I was pretty much a life long Prince user. Need more testing. FWIW, I have only used a Head racquet once, and absolutely hated the grip, it seemed super rectangular. This one data point is likely useless, but I thought I would throw it out there.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uXSYH_CNpm0/ULpT-gwua5I/AAAAAAAAEnw/B7wXKHoDIjY/s640/PB300970.JPG

NLBwell
12-01-2012, 08:56 PM
Grip shape makes very little difference to me. Possibly the Head/Volkl is better for forehands and the Wilson or Prince better for backhands, but overall I play the same and am just as comfortable with any of them.