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isilra
12-12-2012, 01:54 PM
I was wondering what is the age limit to get an ATP point. I mean is there a guy that earned a point when he was on his late 30's or 40's, or it is just impossible ?

LeeD
12-12-2012, 02:25 PM
No upper age limit.
Probably an under age limit.
Some old late 30's guys were playing on Tour a few years back, so it's possible.

Timbo's hopeless slice
12-12-2012, 02:36 PM
ye, I think one of our local former tour pros played a challenger a couple of years ago just for fun and made it through a few rounds, he was in his late 30s I think.

(but he had made the 4th round at a couple of Slams , won a few 250 events and been as high as 80, so...)

dominikk1985
12-12-2012, 02:57 PM
thomas muster had a couple of ATP points at age 43 last year when he made a "comeback".

there is no age limit, but after a certain age you just cannot perform well enough to get a point. even the 1000 ranked guys are tremendous players and a middle aged man just can't compete with those young modern tennis players.

most former top10 players could still get a point or a couple till their mid 40s if they are fit but not much more. and if you never had a point you probably won't get one at age 40:D.

as for the lower limit I'm not sure if there is a limit. richard gasquet was ranked like 280 in the world at age 15 while nadal was ranked like 500 at the same age.

but those were exeptions, most 17yo top juniors (jGS winners) today are world ranked like 600 at this time.

LeeD
12-12-2012, 03:05 PM
I"m sure if McEnroe tried for one year, he would be able to earn ATP points.

isilra
12-12-2012, 03:08 PM
Thanks guys, means i still have at least 15 more years to get my point lol. Joking ofc, still working on body turns. But it would have been a very nice dream to have one.

woodrow1029
12-12-2012, 03:11 PM
McEnroe won the San Jose ATP doubles title with Jonas Bjorkman well into his 40's.

sureshs
12-12-2012, 05:07 PM
I am planning to enter the ATP

maverick66
12-12-2012, 05:11 PM
I am planning to enter the ATP

We should get Oscar Wegner to coach you.

isilra
12-12-2012, 05:20 PM
I am planning to enter the ATP

May i ask you your ntrp rating and your age ?

NLBwell
12-12-2012, 05:25 PM
Oscar and sureshs would be an unbeatable combination.

sureshs
12-12-2012, 06:00 PM
May i ask you your ntrp rating and your age ?

I am a 4.0 and a young 47.

I will be entering the ATP as a ball boy and making my way up from there.

Timbo's hopeless slice
12-12-2012, 06:03 PM
I am a 4.0 and a young 47.

I will be entering the ATP as a ball boy and making my way up from there.

why not go for line judge??

think of the foot faults!!!! :)

sureshs
12-12-2012, 06:06 PM
We should get Oscar Wegner to coach you.

Oscar and sureshs would be an unbeatable combination.

Speak of timing! I received email today that Oscar has just released a 2 hour DVD called "The best of Oscar." It comes with free shipping and a free second copy to share.

Keep it civilized or this thread will be deleted :-)

sureshs
12-12-2012, 06:07 PM
why not go for line judge??

think of the foot faults!!!! :)

That is the next step up from ball boy.

Kalin
12-12-2012, 07:16 PM
If the OP meant to ask what the highest age for one is to get their first ever ATP point then, for the most of us, the answer is 'long time ago' :(

People who played at the highest level could probably do it in their 50's.

maverick66
12-12-2012, 11:27 PM
Oscar and sureshs would be an unbeatable combination.

They will feel the balls better than anyone that has ever felt the balls before.

CCH4TENNIS
12-12-2012, 11:42 PM
We should get Oscar Wegner to coach you.

What a wonderful idea :-D

3fees
12-14-2012, 10:04 AM
No age limit,,I dont see you get a participation point, what I found is this " Let’s say you get into the qualifying draw of a futures event. Depending on how big the qualifying draw is, you might have to win two to four qualifying matches to get into the main draw. The main draw consists of 32 players. If you manage to win your first round match, you will receive 1 ATP ranking point. Congrats! You are now a globally ranked player in the ATP’s computer! "


I'm not sure if there is an ATP participation point, there was at slams to lose 1st round of qualifying, not sure if this is still active or its been changed.


http://www.10sballs.com/2012/08/26/atp-ranking-system-explained/

:mrgreen:

Chas Tennis
12-14-2012, 10:14 AM
FYI

Futures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITF_Men%27s_Circuit

Challenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Challenger_Tour

sureshs
12-14-2012, 10:22 AM
Easy way is to enter the US Open Playoffs, which is now in the second year I think. Winner gets a wild card into the USO. In theory, you can be a 3.5 club player and go this route to win the championship.

boramiNYC
12-14-2012, 11:20 AM
Easy way is to enter the US Open Playoffs, which is now in the second year I think. Winner gets a wild card into the USO. In theory, you can be a 3.5 club player and go this route to win the championship.

no the winner gets a spot in the qualifying draw. 3.5 no but 4.0 should have better chance of reaching the main draw.

maggmaster
12-14-2012, 11:22 AM
Uh no a 5.5 may be able to win his sectional but would lose at the next level.

woodrow1029
12-14-2012, 11:33 AM
Easy way is to enter the US Open Playoffs, which is now in the second year I think. Winner gets a wild card into the USO. In theory, you can be a 3.5 club player and go this route to win the championship.

This is the 4th year (maybe 5th).

sureshs
12-14-2012, 11:43 AM
A 3.5 player can enter the playoffs and win the USO final after defeating Nadal. It is possible in theory.

isilra
12-19-2012, 10:46 AM
I have found a guy who is 42 years old and he has taken 1 singles atp point this year for the first time.

http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100000973

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ta/Y/Yu-Takahashi.aspx

rufus_smith
12-19-2012, 07:03 PM
I wonder which player was the oldest person ever to get a first ATP point. In other words which player kept trying the longest time before they got an ATP point in singles (I'm not counting doubles). Age 28 to 30? That's one motivated guy. It might end up that someone like Tony L. on this forum does it at age 30 or so. Would be nice.

maggmaster
12-20-2012, 05:13 AM
That guy Yu TAKAHASHI was all over Africa and the middle east to finally win one round.

isilra
12-20-2012, 05:42 AM
That guy Yu TAKAHASHI was all over Africa and the middle east to finally win one round.

I wonder how he felt after the win, should be awesome.

Thud and blunder
12-20-2012, 05:50 AM
Dick Norman is still rocking the doubles circuit, age 41. Curiously, despite being on the tour since the early 90s, he reached his highest singles ranking of 85 in 2006 at the age of 35!

ATP100
12-20-2012, 06:01 AM
I was wondering what is the age limit to get an ATP point. I mean is there a guy that earned a point when he was on his late 30's or 40's, or it is just impossible ?


Your question is not very specific, a lot of old guys have points, they play in the senior division.

maggmaster
12-20-2012, 06:40 AM
I think most of us knew what he meant, an ATP point is different than a Champions tour point or an ITF seniors ranking point. Our sport is so weird, you can have all kinds of different points, national ranking points in NTRP, Age group and open plus all of the before mentioned ones.

goober
12-20-2012, 06:51 AM
I wonder which player was the oldest person ever to get a first ATP point. In other words which player kept trying the longest time before they got an ATP point in singles (I'm not counting doubles). Age 28 to 30? That's one motivated guy. It might end up that someone like Tony L. on this forum does it at age 30 or so. Would be nice.

The owner of the Washington Kastles (WTT) got his first points I believe at age 43. He was a self decribed 5.0 club player. He paid for a wildcard teamed up with a pro(probably also paid) and got points in a default win in dubs lol.

isilra
12-20-2012, 07:03 AM
The owner of the Washington Kastles (WTT) got his first points I believe at age 43. He was a self decribed 5.0 club player. He paid for a wildcard teamed up with a pro(probably also paid) and got points in a default win in dubs lol.

So we can say it is not impossible to be a pro even if you start tennis after 20 years old ?? :)

maggmaster
12-20-2012, 07:19 AM
That has to be one of the most asked questions around here. It would be really, really hard to win an ATP point if you never played before 20. Impossible? Probably statistically it would be more likely to be struck by lightning, not a zero percent chance but close.

Devilito
12-20-2012, 07:41 AM
You can get an ATP point in your late 30s possibly even early 40s if you were a D1 level type player earlier on that just never bothered to go on tour and try after college. I know a few players that could have easily got points in their 20s that ended up with a family and job. Getting an ATP point does nothing but soak up money and time and is only good for bragging rights. If someone like that focused their skills in their 30s, trained and re-entered competition it is very possible for them to score an ATP point given a good draw in a futures. Now, if you’re talking about a random 4.0 that decide one day in their mid 30s that they want to train and improve and get an ATP point, forget about it. That’s borderline delusional.

goober
12-20-2012, 08:20 AM
So we can say it is not impossible to be a pro even if you start tennis after 20 years old ?? :)

No that guy basically bought his ATP points. I don't think anyone would consider him a pro level player. IS it possible to get an ATP points legit starting tennis in your 20s? Possible, but most people don't have the talent/time/money to put into it. So far I am unaware of anyone starting that late that was able to do it. Some people trying on this board and some celebrities like Elizabeth Shue tried. So far nobody has posted results coming even close.