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niktub
12-27-2012, 11:09 AM
He seems to be using a black racquet(no PJ) at the Hopman cup.
Maybe a thinner beam...
to be continued:?

niktub
12-27-2012, 11:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YO1hU29miSU


different headshape?
PST?

MattCrosby
12-27-2012, 11:15 AM
Hmm, looks omething like a pure Storm.

morandi
12-27-2012, 11:16 AM
Looks like still extended length, but smaller headsize.

niktub
12-27-2012, 11:19 AM
Hmm, looks omething like a pure Storm.

+1 PST is my bet

uk_skippy
12-27-2012, 11:23 AM
I Have been told they (Babolat) are developing an 18x20 'classic' type frame. Maybe Tsonga is giving it a bit of a run-out for feedback.

Regards

Paul

raging
12-27-2012, 11:37 AM
I Have been told they (Babolat) are developing an 18x20 'classic' type frame. Maybe Tsonga is giving it a bit of a run-out for feedback.

Regards

Paul

great news that Jo is out there early & testing.
Great idea if he changes to box beam, he definitely doesn't need the power.
Tennis needs him to make another run to a GS final.
Australia could be the place...it was before!

niktub
12-27-2012, 11:39 AM
Well done eric B

pug
12-27-2012, 11:59 AM
I Have been told they (Babolat) are developing an 18x20 'classic' type frame. Maybe Tsonga is giving it a bit of a run-out for feedback.

Regards

Paul

Thanks Paul, that sounds like a reasonable conclusion.

Blaxican10s
12-27-2012, 02:29 PM
Looks like he's also switched to blue overgrip (tournagrip?)

djdannyj25
12-27-2012, 02:31 PM
In one of the threads on the racquet forum, Daniel Becker (works for Bab) said they were discontinuing and were working on something new for 2013 if I can recall that correctly.

JDMasFCK
12-27-2012, 06:52 PM
I Have been told they (Babolat) are developing an 18x20 'classic' type frame. Maybe Tsonga is giving it a bit of a run-out for feedback.

Regards

Paul

Interesting... looking forward to the release of said racquet...

ci2ca
12-27-2012, 10:25 PM
Super excited! Looks like a Pure Storm with an 18x20 pattern. Maybe Babolat is trying to get all the Blade and prestige users!

Bartelby
12-27-2012, 10:48 PM
The limited PS did not exactly have a winning spec.

JGads
12-27-2012, 11:05 PM
Tsonga with an 18/20 would/will be fun to see, if this holds true. Maybe flattening out his shot a touch will do him some real good.

Irrelevant
12-28-2012, 01:02 AM
Hmm and I recall he enjoyed his prostock Kblade which was also a 18/20. Seems like it'll be an interesting year if he really is switching.

raging
12-28-2012, 01:39 AM
The limited PS did not exactly have a winning spec.

by definition, I don't think babolat meant it to last as long as it has.
Pure Storm was meant to take those box beam sales,while it is not a big part of their racquet business they recognize the need to offer something in this area.
Jan. is a perfect time to try something new & a good time for Jo to make a move, despite being an Aero player. I always saw him as a flatter trajectory, more attacking player anyway.
It will also be interesting to see how Harrison adjusts to it as well, he is even harder to please.

Midguytenis
12-28-2012, 02:17 AM
Tsonga is a flat hitter, playing with that racket is a draw back to him, He will obtain a lot more with the 18x20, if they could make a Aero pro, 100sq would ideal.

With all the respect, Harrisson isn't that great, He has not top 30 potential, but that's beyond the point.

Automatix
12-28-2012, 03:49 AM
Well, the big sellers are the Pure Drives and Aero Drives.
Babolat didn't exactly take over the market of classic players frames.
The PS Ltd. AFAIK is a failure in the sales department, at least in my neighbourhood.
The "classic" Pure Storms sell much better though the story with Pure Controls and later Storms is a funny one for me. Do you remember the days when people complained about the Pure Controls being to stiff? I agree that 71RA was overkill but they weren't that bad. When Babolat changed this and renamed them as Pure Storm Tours the sales didn't hit roof top. Still I find it funny that even though the PSTs had much lower stiffness I know quite a few people who experienced elbow problems from using them.

I may be biased but I really liked Babolats lighter control frame - Soft Control.
96 square inch headsize. Soft, light, plenty of room to customize. Those were the days.

I also had the chance to hit with an old beat up Pure Control Zylon (the extended version) and I have to say it also was a really nice frame and didn't feel uncomfortably stiff.

Although I'm not fond of Babolat I'm actually interested if they can "surprise" the market and come out with something which can compete with APDs and PDs in terms of popularity.

Bartelby
12-28-2012, 04:17 AM
Given that they only need Nadal to advertise the Aero, maybe Tsonga will be the much needed celebrity endorser of the Storm line.

Each of Head's lines has a key player, so Tsonga would be it for Babolat's Storm line, so not so much a new racquet but a re-launch of the line?

raging
12-28-2012, 11:32 AM
Jo Wilfried was intended to push the new AeroLine Range. This is just a try out as Paul suggested. Problem will be if Jo really likes it & doesn't want to move back!:) But marketing strategy is easy to change, sometimes keeping your players happy is more important.
As I mentioned before, the Pure Storm was really intended to give a box beam alternative never to directly takeover sales from the Drive or Aero lines. Babolat never wanted the classic players market, it isn't worth anything in terms of sales . Head, Wilson & Prince also realised this but they have a longer, more established line. It has taken these 3 longer to re-position themselves as they are all much bigger.

Babolat have been carefully sidestepping the opposition & trying to whisper their message. It may not suit some people but it has worked for them.
They know they are not no. 1 but they are working on it.

Jo Wilfried & his blackout racquet is really the thread topic & he is in a similar position to babolat.
He is not no. 1 but wants to contend at the big ones.
A flatter trajectory, more direct way is better for him.(only my opinion).
Roger Rasheed will give him this but it is going to hurt.
Depends on how much he wants it.

I humbly disagree on Harrison, lots of companies want him, if he starts focusing he has all the potential. This is probably doing him a disservice, he needs another 2 years probably(a very young 20something) but if he catches the right draw he can still move up next year. He is raw.
I am sure Babolat will have him swinging this frame as well.

Blaxican10s
12-28-2012, 12:28 PM
With Nadal out of the Aussie, they need Tsonga to make a good showing for their new Aero line. Looking forward to seeing if they PJ up a new stick for him (like a Pure Storm) or if he sticks with the APD+racquet.

Cup8489
12-28-2012, 02:09 PM
Jo Wilfried was intended to push the new AeroLine Range. This is just a try out as Paul suggested. Problem will be if Jo really likes it & doesn't want to move back!:) But marketing strategy is easy to change, sometimes keeping your players happy is more important.
As I mentioned before, the Pure Storm was really intended to give a box beam alternative never to directly takeover sales from the Drive or Aero lines. Babolat never wanted the classic players market, it isn't worth anything in terms of sales . Head, Wilson & Prince also realised this but they have a longer, more established line. It has taken these 3 longer to re-position themselves as they are all much bigger.

Babolat have been carefully sidestepping the opposition & trying to whisper their message. It may not suit some people but it has worked for them.
They know they are not no. 1 but they are working on it.

Jo Wilfried & his blackout racquet is really the thread topic & he is in a similar position to babolat.
He is not no. 1 but wants to contend at the big ones.
A flatter trajectory, more direct way is better for him.(only my opinion).
Roger Rasheed will give him this but it is going to hurt.
Depends on how much he wants it.

I humbly disagree on Harrison, lots of companies want him, if he starts focusing he has all the potential. This is probably doing him a disservice, he needs another 2 years probably(a very young 20something) but if he catches the right draw he can still move up next year. He is raw.
I am sure Babolat will have him swinging this frame as well.

Babolat sold 4 of the top 5 frames this year. Safe to say they're number 1 in the racquet department.

dunlop_fort_knox
12-28-2012, 02:12 PM
now that the end of the world suspense is over, this tsonga racquet thing can get it's just do in the media.

raging
12-28-2012, 02:53 PM
Babolat sold 4 of the top 5 frames this year. Safe to say they're number 1 in the racquet department.

The figures that you may have read in this forum are not world wide sales(USA only) & are only based on tennis specialists/pro shops etc. Internet sales & Big Department Stores were not included in this.

Overall racket (units sold) sales are what counts.

Ask Babolat, they consider themselves World-Wide no. 3 in tennis racquet sales, behind wilson & head. All the racquet companies have a good idea where they are placed.

I am not saying Babolat has not had a very good 2012.:)

What would make 2013 start off with a bang would be Jo Wilfried winning the Oz Open.:) With or without the blackout racquet.

Bartelby
12-28-2012, 03:07 PM
The control/storm line has been around a very long time and a lot of their players use it, and it could use the extra promotion especially given that the aerostorm line has collapsed.

Gonzales used to be its key male promoter, and why use a blacked out racquet in a filmed and public practice?

thecrusher956
12-28-2012, 04:00 PM
Just saw other hopman cup vid and Tomic is also using a blacked out frame

luishcorreia
12-29-2012, 03:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YO1hU29miSU


different headshape?
PST?

The racquet looks great and of a thinner beam. I always thought Jo had a very powerful game for an AeroPure Drive. He needs a more control oriented racquet.

tick115
12-29-2012, 04:44 AM
Tsonga is a flat hitter, playing with that racket is a draw back to him, He will obtain a lot more with the 18x20, if they could make a Aero pro, 100sq would ideal.

With all the respect, Harrisson isn't that great, He has not top 30 potential, but that's beyond the point.



Niether, Nor, did you just see him hit the "Top Spin" in the video. Smaller HS equals faster HS.

klementine
12-29-2012, 05:45 AM
Just saw other hopman cup vid and Tomic is also using a blacked out frame


Could be wrong but I swore I saw that familiar head pro-stock buttcap. If this is true and Yonex has lost him, it's a big blow for their marketing team.


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No matter what racquet Tsonga has in hand, he needs to make better decisions on court. He gets caught in 'no-man's-land' too often up at net and at mid-court. He has all the essential tools of a champion, just needs to be a tad less aggressive and a bit more decisive/smart with ball.

Being a life long 18x20 user, I'll say that moving to a 16x19 pattern is not that big of a deal, until you switch back to the closed pattern, then you feel 'at home'.

Bartelby
12-29-2012, 05:49 AM
If the switch to Yonex was his only problem, then Tomic will win the AO.

Midguytenis
12-29-2012, 07:59 AM
It's about money, whoever pays more He will play with, now some rackets may be easier and give a little advantage here and there, but moneytalk.

Yonex has Nick Kyrgios as well, He is pretty darn good, He can be better than Tomic if he puts the work on, his serve and forehand are already better, but Tomic is better at this points, no question.

DownTheLineWith90
12-29-2012, 08:08 AM
these contracts..

thecrusher956
12-29-2012, 09:02 AM
Tsonga with a 100 sq inch 16x19 racquet is simply ridiculous. Yeah, sometimes he makes those awesome shots, but its rarely. At the WTF, you could clearly see he was struggling against top players

DownTheLineWith90
12-29-2012, 04:44 PM
Tsonga simply doesnt need the explosive power of the Aero.
He's much more suited to the closed, controlled rackets.

roundiesee
12-29-2012, 05:02 PM
Does anyone know what stencil is on the strings of Jo's racket? Doesn't look like a Babolat stencil at all.

Rock Strongo
12-29-2012, 05:05 PM
Does anyone know what stencil is on the strings of Jo's racket? Doesn't look like a Babolat stencil at all.

It's the new Babolat stencil. I don't think it looks good at all. Kind of like someone stenciling a racquet and then not being bothered halfway.

roundiesee
12-29-2012, 05:07 PM
It's the new Babolat stencil. I don't think it looks good at all. Kind of like someone stenciling a racquet and then not being bothered halfway.

Thanks! Yes, of course you're right, I had forgotten they had a re- branding recently. I agree, I don't like the new logo as well, :(

Nostradamus
12-29-2012, 05:26 PM
TW saids it is the New aeropro drive plus 2013. so what else could it be ? but I wonder why it is blacked out ?

Cup8489
12-29-2012, 05:36 PM
TW saids it is the New aeropro drive plus 2013. so what else could it be ? but I wonder why it is blacked out ?

Come on Fedace when are you gonna stop being so delusional?

Doubles
12-29-2012, 06:14 PM
TW saids it is the New aeropro drive plus 2013. so what else could it be ? but I wonder why it is blacked out ?

You're too funny, man.

Bartelby
12-30-2012, 04:21 AM
Tsonga played the Hopman cup with the apd.

raging
12-30-2012, 12:38 PM
Tsonga played the Hopman cup with the apd.

good, watch this section for more blackout racquets.
Hopefully Jo gets settled & starts playing some good, honest attacking tennis.

slice bh compliment
01-02-2013, 09:41 PM
good, watch this section for more blackout racquets.
Hopefully Jo gets settled & starts playing some good, honest attacking tennis.

Instead of that sneaky, defensive, liar's baseline/counter-attacking tennis.

Allez Jo!

NickJ
01-03-2013, 12:24 AM
Wilson, Babolat, Head . . .

I think the real point is being missed here, who would win in a fight? Sonic or Mario?

NetNinja68
01-03-2013, 09:26 AM
Wilson, Babolat, Head . . .

I think the real point is being missed here, who would win in a fight? Sonic or Mario?

Definitely Sonic. He's way more athletic!

sixone90
06-24-2013, 07:38 AM
Just saw the new line of racquets from Babolat for next year and this new line racquets is going to be released AO 2014

tennis_balla
06-24-2013, 08:14 AM
Just saw the new line of racquets from Babolat for next year and this new line racquets is going to be released AO 2014

Pictures??

Blaxican10s
06-24-2013, 08:24 AM
Just saw the new line of racquets from Babolat for next year and this new line racquets is going to be released AO 2014

What does that have to do with this thread or Tsonga? Tsonga will be using the current APD PJ for at least this year and next (if not even into 2015).

sixone90
06-24-2013, 08:31 AM
What does that have to do with this thread or Tsonga?

The fact that he was practicing with it at the Hopman Cup. Isn't it blatantly obvious?

sixone90
06-24-2013, 08:32 AM
Pictures??

Nope, but think Donnay Formula in terms of cosmetics

Blaxican10s
06-24-2013, 09:09 AM
The fact that he was practicing with it at the Hopman Cup. Isn't it blatantly obvious?

No, just because he was practicing with it doesn't mean he's switcing. If he felt that was a better racquet for him he's be using it now, not waiting for the new version to be released. He played with his Aeropros in the matches at Hopman so to me that says he's not changing any time soon.

sixone90
06-24-2013, 09:19 AM
No, just because he was practicing with it doesn't mean he's switcing. If he felt that was a better racquet for him he's be using it now, not waiting for the new version to be released. He played with his Aeropros in the matches at Hopman so to me that says he's not changing any time soon.

When did I ever say he was switching? I just said that I saw the line of racquets from Babolat that he was practicing with. Learn to read! This thread is about the blacked out racquet. Your lack of intelligence is mind boggling

tenacitytennis
06-24-2013, 09:26 AM
where did you see the new babolat items

sixone90
06-24-2013, 09:28 AM
where did you see the new babolat items

Babolat reps from France

Blaxican10s
06-24-2013, 12:12 PM
When did I ever say he was switching? I just said that I saw the line of racquets from Babolat that he was practicing with. Learn to read! This thread is about the blacked out racquet. Your lack of intelligence is mind boggling

Thanks for insulting my intelligence. You must be such a cool guy, I wish I was as cool as you. :roll: