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tennisking
08-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Want to go back to my old stick, and if my memory serves me well the two best years for Head Radical Tours were 97 and 98, anyone play with these still or can tell me which one they like better?

Speedy_tennis
08-26-2005, 09:25 PM
i heard the 98 is better

Ronaldo
08-26-2005, 09:26 PM
98 was the Twin-tube? Still too lightweight compared to the Bumblebee which I prefer.

nguyenthuc
08-26-2005, 10:11 PM
I've never played with the 97, but the 98 twin tube tour mp is an awesome racquet. After years of searching for a slightly lighter replacement for the discontinued 98, I find myself going back to the 98, only this time I figured out how to make them a tad lighter: trimming off a half an inch of the head guard on both ends. Now they are just perfect with an 18g PSGD at 56 lbs. At 12+ oz. with 7 points HL and 58 flex rating, nothing feels as sweet or as solid as the 98 twin tube. I can hit out as much as I like and still keep the ball in play. Luckily, I own 2 (second-hand, as they've been long discontinued) which are in excellent condition. Hope this helps.

Kryztof
08-26-2005, 10:45 PM
few days ago i try the 98 with wilson sensasion strung at 57 and it was very very good raquect but i feel a lot of shock with this raquect, i played fews day with it and after playing i had always pain in my shoulder and in my head (i feel almost i can broke my head when i go for hard hitting..)
In fact i feel it was not very confortable frame for my arm. (i use to play with ps 6.0 95)
So i would like to know if it was normal thing or just because the one i tried seems to have a light crack between the head and the"Y"branch?

nViATi
08-26-2005, 10:47 PM
few days ago i try the 98 with wilson sensasion strung at 57 and it was very very good raquect but i feel a lot of shock with this raquect, i played fews day with it and after playing i had always pain in my shoulder and in my head (i feel almost i can broke my head when i go for hard hitting..)
In fact i feel it was not very confortable frame for my arm. (i use to play with ps 6.0 95)
So i would like to know if it was normal thing or just because the one i tried seems to have a light crack between the head and the"Y"branch?
the crack for sure.

tennisking
08-26-2005, 11:36 PM
how do i post pics?

tennisking
08-26-2005, 11:45 PM
http://tinypic.com/b7j1bt.jpg

tennisking
08-26-2005, 11:46 PM
http://tinypic.com/b7j23s.jpg

tennisking
08-27-2005, 08:27 AM
anyone else played these sticks recently?

Speedy_tennis
08-27-2005, 04:40 PM
paintjob are not too actual

Nadal_Rulz
08-27-2005, 04:47 PM
the '97 is sweet!

radical tourist
08-27-2005, 09:05 PM
My 97 specs a little heavier and stiffer than the 98. Both are twin tube and both play great. If you want to start a little light and add weight to taste, go with the 98.

tennisking
08-27-2005, 09:56 PM
where do you lead up your '98?

tennisking
08-27-2005, 11:01 PM
and what tension do you string it?

Kryztof
08-27-2005, 11:02 PM
yes the 98 is the one a prefer, very compact during the shot and very precise frame

seyanoo
08-28-2005, 02:30 AM
can someone tell me, how exactly ist the weight of the radical 97 and 98 both OS and MP in gram?and the swingweight of both?
how different is the feeling of 97 and 98 OS and MP?
and which mp is more similar to POG 93? which is more similar to POG OS ?
i m using the pog 93 and just curious about the feeling of those old versions of radical,anyway they looks interesting:-)

radical tourist
08-28-2005, 08:56 AM
Re. the 97 and 98 OS Radicals, I have more experience with the 98. Without grommets, grips or string, weights vary from 274.2 grams to 285.3 grams, balance 30.8 to 31.25 cm, swingweight 246 to 254, flex 57 to 62 RA. My customized 98s ready to play are 366 grams, 31.6 cm balance, 55 RA, 345 swingweight. Generally, they have a couple of layers of lead at the 2 and 10 and some on the grip pallets. By comparison, a 97 without grip, grommets or string was 292 grams. I don't have the swingweight immediately at hand but it was higher than the highest 98 by several grams.

radical tourist
08-28-2005, 08:57 AM
PS. You'd find the 97 OS more similar to the POG 0S.

SteveI
08-28-2005, 09:07 AM
Hey Man!!!

Hope all is going well.. and BTW.. all others.. The 97 did play a bit stiffer and it seems to me to have a higher static weight and SW. I loved the 98 O/S.. hated the 97. Was supposed to have the same specs.. but it do not to be sure. Enjoyed the nice flex of the 98... could really hold the ball on the frame..seemed like forever.. and then direct the ball on a dime. Used the frames for two complete seasons. Very easy on the arm. Hope this helps!

Happy Hitting Martin!

Regards,
Steve Insinna

radical tourist
08-28-2005, 08:18 PM
Hi Steve,
Exactly how I found the 97 to play. Good, but just different. Been trying racquets all year trying to find more pop with the same control. Match results have been ugly. Currently on a leaded up Tour 8 V Engine. What are you hitting with?

SteveI
08-30-2005, 07:11 AM
Hey Martin,

I have been using a 400G with lead tape at 3 and 9 and some under the handle. I have found that if I add to the static weight and not change the balance point... the frame now seem to have enough mass to plow thur the ball. Since the 400Gs sw is somewhat low.. it is easy to get around on returns and nice and slick at the net. Hope all is well and your hunt for a new stick goes well.

Regards,
Steve

iLuveKetchup
09-05-2005, 05:23 PM
Now they are just perfect with an 18g PSGD at 56 lbs. At 12+ oz. with 7 points HL and 58 flex rating, nothing feels as sweet or as solid as the 98 twin tube.

Thats my exact same setup. 18g PSGD @56lbs. w/ wilson pro overgrip. & I thought I was the only one. :)

tennisking
09-05-2005, 06:03 PM
Does anyone notice that the grip is really short on the 98 rad compared to modern radicals? not ideal for two-handed backhands.

POGO
09-05-2005, 06:14 PM
Does anyone notice that the grip is really short on the 98 rad compared to modern radicals? not ideal for two-handed backhands.
I'm comparing my 98 radical twintube os with my rd-7 and the grip lenght is not that short, about 1/2 shorter than the rd-7, but still more than enough for a 2hb which I am. :)

http://tinypic.com/deqsnp.jpg

PrestigeClassic
09-06-2005, 06:22 PM
What kind of replacement grommets do you all get? I heard the LM Prestige 630 grommets were good for the Radical midplus.

iLuveKetchup
09-06-2005, 06:28 PM
What kind of replacement grommets do you all get? I heard the LM Prestige 630 grommets were good for the Radical midplus.
I was wondering the same thing! My 7 year old Radical Twin Tube is really showing its age. I read in another thread that they used grommets from the i.radical/ti radical.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=64988&highlight=radical
Im ordering them this friday & I'll let everyone know if they fit perfectly for the Twin Tube 98 Tour MP & Trisys 260 MP.

PrestigeClassic
09-06-2005, 10:26 PM
Right on. I wonder which model I have? One grommet strip has TK55A/1 and the other TK55A/2, while the bumper has TK55A. I think the throat grommets are TK15. Hmm? Does this sound like a Radical? Yes, it does have fairly short pallets.

Mike Danger
09-06-2005, 11:09 PM
I have a 97 OS and i like it, never played with the 98, but im trying to buy more of either, if anyone has one theyed like to sell let me know

Radical97
10-01-2005, 08:25 AM
97 OS. Has higher swingweight but you get used to it. 97 has a different flexpoint compared to the others. ;)

kv581
10-01-2005, 08:49 AM
98 was the Twin-tube? Still too lightweight compared to the Bumblebee which I prefer.
Which version is the bumblebee? I personally liked the Trisys best.

iLuveKetchup
10-01-2005, 09:43 AM
Which version is the bumblebee? I personally liked the Trisys best.
The bumblebee is the Radical Trysis 260 (Radical Tour). My favorite Radical!

kv581
10-01-2005, 10:19 AM
The bumblebee is the Radical Trysis 260 (Radical Tour). My favorite Radical!
Same here.

To nitpick, I believe it's Trisys, not Trysis.

jmk2888
10-01-2005, 10:49 AM
I have a Brand New Head Radical Tour 260 (Yellow/Black) for sale on E b a y Item # 7186764675

hampshire6
10-01-2005, 12:49 PM
I used the 97 for a bit (dads old racquet) till I broke it :( still sore about that. It was a great stick, good heft stock buttery feel to it. Not a whip though. I never used the 98 but from what I have heard etc I think 97 is better. Harder to find though.

Ronaldo
10-01-2005, 01:50 PM
Trisys 260 is sweet. Still find this incredulous when just 2-3 yrs ago, these Radicals sold on E b a y no matter what condition, under $20 and those 98 Radicals were just $39.95 new.

iLuveKetchup
10-01-2005, 04:17 PM
Same here.

To nitpick, I believe it's Trisys, not Trysis.
LOL you're right. I had to grab my racquets & check. I play with the Trisys 260 everyday & I never noticed. :D

kv581
10-01-2005, 07:36 PM
LOL you're right. I had to grab my racquets & check. I play with the Trisys 260 everyday & I never noticed. :D
Do you play with the OS or the MP?

It's been a while since I held one, does Trisys 260 have the same rectangular grip shape that all current Head racquets have?

iLuveKetchup
10-01-2005, 08:02 PM
Do you play with the OS or the MP?

It's been a while since I held one, does Trisys 260 have the same rectangular grip shape that all current Head racquets have?
I have the MP. The Trisys does have the rectangular grip shape. I was wondering if the current Head racquets have the rectangular shape. You just answered my question! :D After playing w/ Head racquets most of my life, I can't possibly play with any other grip shape. I have an RDX500 Mid & I gave up on it because of the grip. It just doesn't feel like I can whip it around.

nguyenthuc
10-01-2005, 11:15 PM
Gotta love the flex and feel of the 98 twin tubes! Nothing on the market today can compare.

POGO
10-01-2005, 11:18 PM
Gotta love the flex and feel of the 98 twin tubes! Nothing on the market today can compare.
I agree!!! Sometimes I find it funny that some/most people dish out the 98 and they admited to not having played with it. That is funny. Like saying I hate pizza but I have never tasted it. :)

nguyenthuc
10-01-2005, 11:27 PM
POGO, that's not your true pic in your bio, is it?

POGO
10-02-2005, 12:18 AM
POGO, that's not your true pic in your bio, is it?
Why you ask? Don't you think I'm sexy and beautiful? :mrgreen:

tandayu
10-02-2005, 09:21 AM
Questions to all of you that has used the various Radical versions for longtime,

The bumble bee radical trisys 260 was released in 1993-1994 (??) "made in Austria", but the later version was "china version" which only says "Austria" (not "made in Austria") on side beam under "HEAD".

But I saw the zebra 1997 and the 1998 was "made in Austria". Did Head go back and forth in the production plant?

Any of you notice weight differences/variances among the frames?

POGO
10-02-2005, 09:48 AM
Questions to all of you that has used the various Radical versions for longtime,

The bumble bee radical trisys 260 was released in 1993-1994 (??) "made in Austria", but the later version was "china version" which only says "Austria" (not "made in Austria") on side beam under "HEAD".

But I saw the zebra 1997 and the 1998 was "made in Austria". Did Head go back and forth in the production plant?

Any of you notice weight differences/variances among the frames?
All of the 97, 98 and Ti were made in Austria. The very first production of the Trisys, bumble bee, was made in Austria. The second production or release of the Trisys was around 2000 or 2001 and those were made in China. The Chinese made are said to not play as good as the originals. The second production trysis says made in china sticker on the buttcap, which can easily be removed.

Radical97
10-02-2005, 01:33 PM
Questions to all of you that has used the various Radical versions for longtime,

The bumble bee radical trisys 260 was released in 1993-1994 (??) "made in Austria", but the later version was "china version" which only says "Austria" (not "made in Austria") on side beam under "HEAD".

But I saw the zebra 1997 and the 1998 was "made in Austria". Did Head go back and forth in the production plant?

Any of you notice weight differences/variances among the frames?

Weight variances for the 97 and 98, up to about 7g a frame. Quite a bit due to grip tape variations ;)

jmk2888
10-02-2005, 01:49 PM
All of the 97, 98 and Ti were made in Austria. The very first production of the Trisys, bumble bee, was made in Austria. The second production or release of the Trisys was around 2000 or 2001 and those were made in China. The Chinese made are said to not play as good as the originals. The second production trysis says made in china sticker on the buttcap, which can easily be removed.

I personally have played with a "Made in Austria 260" and a "Made in China 260" but did NOT any difference between the 2 rackets.

Does anyone feel a difference between the 2 versions ?

tandayu
10-02-2005, 04:51 PM
Thank you to all.

Since all the experts on Radical Tour are curently on this thread, let me ask the other later model, the Ti Radical O/S. How is it in comparison with the bumble bee, zebra, and 1998? Is the Ti Radical O/S on par with the previous models? I found a good deal on a new O/S Ti Radical today (made in Austria), just want to know the experiences of others.

I heard the Ti Radical is better than the I radical, but not as prefereable as the 260, 1997, and 1998.

kv581
10-02-2005, 06:12 PM
Thank you to all.

Since all the experts on Radical Tour are curently on this thread, let me ask the other later model, the Ti Radical O/S. How is it in comparison with the bumble bee, zebra, and 1998? Is the Ti Radical O/S on par with the previous models? I found a good deal on a new O/S Ti Radical today (made in Austria), just want to know the experiences of others.

I heard the Ti Radical is better than the I radical, but not as prefereable as the 260, 1997, and 1998.
I thought Ti.Radical OS plays and feels like a lighter 1998 Radical Tour. I've never hit with 1997 version though. Trisys 260 was different from the later Radicals: I thought it was more stable, and played softer despite not having the Twin Tube technology.

radical tourist
10-02-2005, 06:16 PM
The Ti Rad doesn't have the '98's flexpoint but it still feels great. It does need to be bumped up another half ounce or so. Grommets as recent as the LM Radical will fit the earlier Rads.

POGO
10-02-2005, 08:31 PM
The Ti Rad doesn't have the '98's flexpoint but it still feels great. It does need to be bumped up another half ounce or so. Grommets as recent as the LM Radical will fit the earlier Rads.
What about the mid plus grommets? The latest mp radicals are 98 sq. while the older mid plus radicals were 95 sq. Would the newer mid plus grommets fit the older mid plus radicals?

OnyxZ28
10-03-2005, 03:02 AM
My 260 and '98 MPs are identical in mold, it appears.

iLuveKetchup
10-03-2005, 07:46 PM
What about the mid plus grommets? The latest mp radicals are 98 sq. while the older mid plus radicals were 95 sq. Would the newer mid plus grommets fit the older mid plus radicals?
All Mid+ Radicals are 98sq. I just bought Ti.Radical/i.radical MP grommets for my Trysis 260, '97, & '98 (all of them Mid+). The grommets fit perfectly. Although, the bumper guard seem to stick out a bit (say about 1mm on each side). Reason being, the Ti./i.radical's beam width is 23mm (the specs say 21mm but it looks thicker) versus 20mm beam width of the 260, '97, & '98. Someone who hasn't owned one wouldn't even notice. But I'm such a neat freak, it bothers the hell out of me.

POGO
10-03-2005, 07:51 PM
All Mid+ Radicals are 98sq. I just bought Ti.Radical/i.radical MP grommets for my Trysis 260, '97, & '98 (all of them Mid+). The grommets fit perfectly. Although, the bumper guard seem to stick out a bit (say about 1mm on each side). Reason being, the Ti./i.radical's beam width is 23mm (the specs say 21mm but it looks thicker) versus 20mm beam width of the 260, '97, & '98. Someone who hasn't owned one wouldn't even notice. But I'm such a neat freak, it bothers the hell out of me.
i have two 1998 twintube radicals and they are 95 sq. It is also labled as 95 sq.

so the current midplus grommets would fit my 1998 twintube radicals?

OnyxZ28
10-03-2005, 07:58 PM
That's strange, both of my 98s say "630 cm^2", no reference to 95 sq in.

iLuveKetchup
10-03-2005, 07:59 PM
i have two 1998 twintube radicals and they are 95 sq. It is also labled as 95 sq.

so the current midplus grommets would fit my 1998 twintube radicals?
really?? hold up let me get my racquets....
I just check 4 '98 Mid+s. And all of them say 630cm^2 on the frame (1 o'clock). I never seen or heard of 95sq '98s. Have any pics?
Two '97 MPs & two Trysis 260 MPs say 630cm^2 also.

POGO
10-03-2005, 08:38 PM
Yes, mine also states 630cm2 on the frame. Hmmm....could of sworn I saw it somewhere it stated 95sq. Hmmmm...must be mistaken. So I guess the new grommets will fit my midpluses after all:)

nguyenthuc
10-17-2005, 07:54 PM
Does anyone know the specs of the Trisys 260 mp, in terms of weight, balance, and flex rating?