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monologuist
08-29-2005, 01:16 PM
I've been trying out a couple of Red Yonex Ti-70 98's recently , in order to try out an 18x20 pattern racquet for the first time. So far, I love this racquet...one of the best I've tried with specs in this ballpark. It did need a touch of lead in the hoop (I put 3 grams at about 3 and 9, where the "ips" marks are), but now it's really letting me flatten out my classic eastern FH strokes with great precision. I do have a couple of questions for those of you who have any experience with this racquet :

1. One of the Ti-70 's I have says simply "Ti-70" , while the other one says "Ti-70 Long". They both seem to be 27.5" though. ON the TW racquet database, there doesn't seem to be listings for 2 separate versions, so I'm just wondering if anyone knows if Yonex just had a couple different runs of these, some with "Long" written on it and some without?
2. If anyone has any experience with leading these things up, what have ou found to be some good configurations?
3. What string types and tensions have people found to work well in these? Right now I have Prince S.G. w/ Duraflex 17 at 58 lbs. in it as a "control" or "default". It's not bad, but it feels a tad stiff.....but control is excellent.
4. What weights have your Ti-70's come in at, realtive to grip size? Both of my 4 3/8 ones are coming in under 12 oz., unmodified.

I have to say that this tight string pattern is a revelation...I've been using 16x19 patterns at either 98" or 100" for a while now, and have found it hard to flatten out my strokes without hitting a little longer than I'd like....also I feel that I have a little better directional control as well and just a generally mreo consistent feeling stringbed. And since I have good technique with my topspin on both groundies and serves, I can still get pretty good kick on the ball when I try to add more spin.

monologuist
08-30-2005, 10:30 AM
bump. anyone?

ferrari_827
08-30-2005, 12:02 PM
This is one of my favorite rackets. Mine says "long", and is a shade over 12 oz strung.
My only advice is to string it on the low end otherwise there will be very little power and spin. My tension was 47lbs and the racket still had great control.

Love the ferrari red paint (!)

monologuist
08-30-2005, 02:31 PM
wow...47 lbs! I've never strung anything below 55 lbs. On my MP Tour-5, I've got a hybrid of Klip Legend 17 gut mains/Luxilon ALU Power crosses @ 58 lbs....I do like the low-power though...I hit a flatter penetrating shot so it accomodates that style. I haven't found it hard to add topspin when I need it, despite the tension and the tight pattern...just takes a little more concentration.

What have you found to be some good lead configurations for this racquet?

Also, what do you think of the MP Tour-5 vs. the Ti-70 Long?
It's hard to compare them fairly since I have slightly more lead on my Tour 5 (both have 3 grams at 3 and 9, but Tour-5 an added 3 grams at 12 o'clock), but I'd say:

Tour-5 has a little more power, more spin potential, more comfortable, bigger sweetspot, a little better at the net.... Ti-70 has better control, better slices, more and better feel/touch. Both are awesome for serving with plenty of pop and great control; both are very maneuverable for extended length frames. Headshape of the TI-70 is rounder, less "Yonex Pancake"...is it me or is it the same as a Ti-80?

I wish the Tour-5 had the slightly less dampened feel of the TI-70...supposedly it's a function of the extra long grommets at 6 o'clock? I've also heard it was b/c of the Muscle Power technology...although admittedly, I was never clear on what that referred to. Someone posted that they modded those "long grommets", and it felt much better afterwards, but I can't remember how. Anyway they are both sweet racquets; I have great difficulty choosing which to play with!

It's really too bad the Ti-70 Long is discontinued....I'd love to track down some more. Also wish there was more consistency in weight/balance for a given gripsize, as I am having trouble matching a pair. The Tecnifibre 325 has similar specs as does the also discontinued iPrestige XL...may have to try those too.

ferrari_827
08-30-2005, 02:40 PM
The head shape of the Ti-70 is very similar to the Ti-80. One difference between the Ti-70 and Mp tour 5 is that the sweet spot is higher up on the Ti-70.

The Ti-70 has a couple of advantages over the tour 5 since it has an 18x20 and stiffer flex=better control and feel. The downside is that the Ti-70 can feel harsh and unresponsive at higher tensions or with the wrong string.

The Ti70 is heavier stock than the Tour 5 so less lead, if any, is needed. With the proper setup with lead and strings, the Tour 5 is still a really sweet stick.

monologuist
10-16-2005, 06:26 PM
Ferrari...been loving the Ti70 Long...I've got 3 grams of lead @ 3 and 9 o'clock each, and does pretty much everything well. Only problem, is I've been getting some elbow pain that might be related to using extended length....

Can you give me a comparison of the TI-80 vs. Ti-70 Long (assuming they both had, let's say 6 grams of lead tape in the hoop like my ti-70)? I love the control I can get on my TI-70 on groundstrokes...this stick encourages me to hit relatively low, flat, and penetrating, and I rarely hit too long. I can get decent topspin too if I concentrate on technique. Only weakness is that I wish it could get a little more topspin on kickserves.

A Yonex rep told me that the Ti-80 comes from the exact design and mold of the ti-70, but ti-70 has the extra length in the handle and of course the tighter string pattern. He did say the flexes are slightly different : if you cut a ti-70 long down to 27", it would be slightly stiffer than the ti-80.

Anyway, I'm really wanna know how the power and control levels compare between the two, and if the feel/comfort level is pretty much the same. I'm afraid the open pattern of the ti-80 is gonna take away the great precision I get with the ti-70 on flatter shots. Also want to know how they compare on serve in terms of pace and amount of kick.

Ti-70 Long is the first 18x20 racquet I've owned....am wondering if it is the tight string pattern that I'm in love with, or is the amazing control inherent to both the ti-70/ti-80 since they have the same design otherwise.

Boomer
12-17-2005, 11:04 AM
Ferrari,

I have tried lots of rackets and seem to gravitate back to the Ti-70 Long. I want it to play just a little softer (went through a bout of tennis elbow) and it appears you might have the right recipe. Can you share what string brand and gauge and what tension you like the most?

Thanks, Boomer

monologuist
12-17-2005, 12:48 PM
by far the best string setup for the ti70 is :

BDE Performance 17 mains/Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 crosses

I have mine at around 56 lbs. mains/54 lbs. crosses.

trust me...I've tried many setups, and this one is by far the best.

KOtennis
12-18-2005, 04:08 AM
monologuist,
i think the ti-70 and ti-70 long are 2 different racquets...
the 70 is 88 sq ft, and 70-long is 98.
70 is 27 inches long, and 70-long is 27.5 inches long.

i used this racquet and loved it, but changed to the ti-80 because i like open pattern racquets.
the 2 do play similar, i guess that's why i really like the ti-80.

i used 17 gauge strings @ 59 lbson my ti-70 longs. that suited me... but probably a little high for others.

armand
04-26-2006, 10:42 AM
I had a chance to buy this racquet and wanted to do some research on it. I found the old TW review and, holy krap! I've never seen a lower overall number for a racquet!
Is it really that bad? monologuist and 827 seem to enjoy it though...

datsveryinterestin
04-26-2006, 11:08 AM
the Ti-70 is a fantastic racquet.

the TW review is very harsh on the mid 88" version.
But there is truth to the fact that it is a demanding frame.
18x20 in 88" frame is gonna be tough. But if you string it
low or string it with gut it is killer.

The Ti-70 MP Long is an amazing frame. Classic feel and it
does everything well. I used both of these frames a while ago, but sold most of them off after they were discontinued and I couldn't find any more. I still have a MP long, but I wish I kept a midsize too, since it played so sweetly.

monologuist
04-26-2006, 11:13 AM
adely, I was surprised by that review too...I disagreed with a lot of it actually....in fact everyone that I have heard of that has played it has raved about it....you're lucky to have found one. Don't you have experience with the Ti-80? It is very similar to it, in fact a Yonex rep told me they were made from the same mold, the only difference being that they are drilled for different string patterns, the TI-70 is obviously a little longer, and the TI-80 is stiffer due to the shorter length.

What grip size did you get? I find there to be a marked difference between the 4 3/8 and 4 1/2...starting at 4 1/2 the swingweight and solidness is noticeably higher....at 4 3/8, I think it needs a little lead tape (just 3 g. on each side works for me)

best string setup for me so far has been BDE Performance 17 mains/Gosen Micro 17 crosses....both are 122mm. 17gauge, very thin even for 17 gauge...gives you better spin potential and feel/grip on the ball. I string between 50-55lbs....the things I like most about it : the dense pattern gives you pinpoint control and predictability....also allows you to use gut and maintain good durability. Also the length, balance and flex are perfect for me; it is about 27.25" strung, and swings fast. Serving is outrageously good. I have never had any trouble generating spin with it either...in fact people always comment on how muh spin I hit with....just takes an adjustment in technique if you are used to open patterns...I think you have to generate more low to high movement as the natural trajectory from the dense pattern is lower and flatter....when I go back to open patterns and swing the same way, the ball usually loops higher than I want.

Another thing I love about this frame is the feel of the grip...the faux-leather grip is nice and thin and feedback is great...also the shape is pretty round/octagonal; very easy and quick to rotate grips...very handy on service returns.

curious to hear your thoughts on the TI-70...keep us updated...also do you have a 1 or 2-handed BH? I have a 1-handed BH and for some reason, I can hit it better with this racquet than any other.

armand
04-26-2006, 12:46 PM
Oops! I evidently gave the impression that I bought this racquet. I did not buy it, I'm sorry to say.
But wow, monologuist, this is your holy grail, huh? What else racquets have you tried?

datsveryinteresting: How demanding is the 88? Can you compare it to other demanding frames like the 6.0 85 or PC600?

!Tym
04-26-2006, 12:52 PM
Oops! I evidently gave the impression that I bought this racquet. I did not buy it, I'm sorry to say.
But wow, monologuist, this is your holy grail, huh? What else racquets have you tried?

datsveryinteresting: How demanding is the 88? Can you compare it to other demanding frames like the 6.0 85 or PC600?

The RD-Ti 70 88 has NO power, and I do mean NO power. I thought the PC was a rocket launcher next to it using them side by side. I string tight, 60 at least. And with both a Ti-70 88 and Prestige Classic about same set-up, I was fine power-wise with the Prestige but the Yonex the balls would just die into the bottom of the net. Was the most surreal thing, I felt, HONESTLY, that I had more power with the wood racket I also had in my bag that day.

You MUST string the Ti-70 Mid in the low 50s, period.

If it had a string pattern like POG Mid, however, it'd be killer. As far as the head size, it wasn't a problem. It felt bigger than the Prestige Classic, the problem was that for whatever reason I'm not sure of this racket just has no power whatsoever, I mean the Prestige has a dense string pattern too, but it still has some power despite being more flexible.

The paint job is maybe my favorite ever, I would kill for Yonex to bring back this Ferrari red paint job, JUST OPEN up the string pattern...A LOT!!!

Spin was fine by the way, more than the Prestige, even with a dese string pattern Yonex rackets seem to produce good spin.

To me the RDS Mid is just a better verions of the Ti-70 Mid, doesn't have quite the same pure, clean, homogenous feel to it, but it's got the "modern" pop and playability that the Ti-70 Mid doesn't.

It's true you can put the gut in this Ti-70 Mid at a low tension and it'll be fine as I did, but to me I'm not willing to use a racket where I feel like I MUST use REALLY expensive strings to make it practical or even usable.

monologuist
04-26-2006, 01:33 PM
The RD-Ti 70 88 has NO power, and I do mean NO power. I thought the PC was a rocket launcher next to it using them side by side. I string tight, 60 at least. And with both a Ti-70 88 and Prestige Classic about same set-up, I was fine power-wise with the Prestige but the Yonex the balls would just die into the bottom of the net. Was the most surreal thing, I felt, HONESTLY, that I had more power with the wood racket I also had in my bag that day.

You MUST string the Ti-70 Mid in the low 50s, period.

If it had a string pattern like POG Mid, however, it'd be killer. As far as the head size, it wasn't a problem. It felt bigger than the Prestige Classic, the problem was that for whatever reason I'm not sure of this racket just has no power whatsoever, I mean the Prestige has a dense string pattern too, but it still has some power despite being more flexible.

The paint job is maybe my favorite ever, I would kill for Yonex to bring back this Ferrari red paint job, JUST OPEN up the string pattern...A LOT!!!

Spin was fine by the way, more than the Prestige, even with a dese string pattern Yonex rackets seem to produce good spin.

To me the RDS Mid is just a better verions of the Ti-70 Mid, doesn't have quite the same pure, clean, homogenous feel to it, but it's got the "modern" pop and playability that the Ti-70 Mid doesn't.

It's true you can put the gut in this Ti-70 Mid at a low tension and it'll be fine as I did, but to me I'm not willing to use a racket where I feel like I MUST use REALLY expensive strings to make it practical or even usable.

well if you used a hybrid with a cheap synthetic for crosses, you could get into it for about 15$...not much more than most multis or Luxilon strings...plus I actually prefer the feel over all-gut...crisper and more spin.

I was thinking of getting a TI-70 mid just for kicks...does it still have no power with gut at low tensions? ....other than the obvious difference in sweetspot, does it share some of the same characteristics as the 98"? Also, how does it compare to say the PS 6.0 85?

another thing I love about the 98" Ti-70 is how thin the throat is...and how thin it feels in general...it really cuts through the air very fast for a racquet of its headsize and length...on serves, it has that similar feel to serving with a mid, where you feel like you can just whip it.

I wish Yonex would re-issue this frame or maybe even release a 16x19 version! BTW, I'm always looking to pick up more of them in a 4 3/8 for anyone who has any extyra laying around!

datsveryinterestin
04-26-2006, 07:32 PM
i have an extra Ti-70 MP LONG in 4 1/2 if anyone is interested....
email: falseguardian@yahoo.com

the MID version plays AMAZING with nat. Gut, or 17g/18g multi hybrids... I really wish I kept mine... I played so well with it...
string it low low low, and the power is fine.

bcaz
04-26-2006, 11:21 PM
The 70-88 is neck and neck with the Wilson ROK 93 as the lowest power frame made in many years. I think the Yonnie is even harder to play with due to its higher weight over the ROK.

Gatsby007
09-01-2006, 05:09 PM
The Yonex Rd ti-70 long is the frame that Paradorn is currently playing with (I believe).
I used to have a few of those and they were incredibly comfortable and served very large. They kind of felt like extended pro tour 630's to me.

johnathan smith
09-01-2006, 06:32 PM
I've got a few with 1/2 grips if interested
jwhtennis777@yahoo.com

carol4832
05-10-2007, 09:14 AM
i had some ti70 longs, they are different then the ti70 reg. they are a 1/2 in ch longer.

007
05-10-2007, 09:41 AM
I've owned the Ti70 Long and currently own the Ti80, and IMO the 80 does everything the 70 long does, but offers more spin, more maneuverability, better volleys and more comfort/larger sweetspot. I'd never consider going back the a 70 Long

Tried the Ti70 88' out of curisosity only to have to acknowledge that I wasn't playing tennis l nor would everm like Richard Kraijicek.

You have to be at least a 5.5 or have a huge ego to consider a Ti70 88