Video of my cousins serve

[akj27]

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PZX6NQIITB0S3GXHPTFVOQ8PM


Please comment on it

[DX_Psycho]

hmm. his left arm seems to kind of dangle. maybe he can bring it across his body to help maintian balance.

[mxchickmagnet68]

Seems like he's not even trying hard. I know on my first serve I get a huge swing followed by a farily loud grunt and land at least 2 ft inside the baseline. Try putting his whole body into it, arch his back more, bend knees deeper, throw ball slightly in front and jump into it. At least thats what I do and I'd like to think I have a very above average serve for my ability.

[andysmojo]

for an effective and consistent serve, my coach recommended to minimize the body movements. he is moving his feet quite a bit before the serve. this may potentially lead to foot faults.

[andysmojo]

sorry, duplicate post...

[Dimethyl Sulfoxide]

for an effective and consistent serve, my coach recommended to minimize the body movements. he is moving his feet quite a bit before the serve. this may potentially lead to foot faults.

For a consistent serve yes mimimze body movements. For a powerful serve, you need the hip and shoulder rotation, elbow drop, knee bend, and so forth. I find that I can make every serve in if I don't move my body at all. But if I want a powerful serve, I have to extend the hips, drop my elbow, slant my shoulders, bend my knees, face my back to the net, among other things. Doin all these things drops my consistency but hopefully through months/years of practice I can be a machine :)

As regard to the feet movement: this is remenencent of Haas's serve, and a few others like Youzny.

To the original poster, I think your cousin has loose arms and a smooth motion which is very good. I'm curious to see how he hits his kickserves. From the mechanics he has a good slice serve but that same motion can't really deliver a great kickserve because of the contact point. I think he can drop his elbow more, slant the shoulders deeper to look like "/". Also he needs a little more hip rotation and the left hand should be extended higher and slightly longer. Doing the above will definitely help when he wants to hit a kick/topspin serve. But the serve looks nice and clean.

[supersmash]

Is it me or does the grip look slightly eastern?

[akj27]

its you, i was there, and its full continental

[JackRabbit]

Something tell's me that this is your serve and you can't take the criticism. :D

[Hewitt rulez]

Looks like he isn't putting much effort into it and like hes bending his knees instead of flexing them. As others also said it looks like he brings down his left arm to soon. I wouldn't take my advice though. Im new at giving advice.

Since its hitting the back fence before it bounces a second time does that mean its at least 100 mph or he just put a lot of top spin on it?

[Prince_of_Tennis]

That was ugly... =(

[akj27]

haha, this guy that has been playing for 2 years said my cousins serve is ugly, give me a break, just because youre asian doesnt mean youre a good player. I bet my cousin would smoke you

[mach1]

^^^ lol. i want to see a match POT vs akj27's cousin. Someone might get smoked, im not saying who either.

[Prince_of_Tennis]

Right....I don't care. Might be a little dark, just turn up the brightness. This was last year serving about 60% effort to my cousin who was to slow.

I don't want to brag and all, but I consider myself very atheletic and catch on quickly veryyyy quickly. Don't let my lack of years in tennis fool you...
http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3QW2LWJAK05NO3LBQ6CIHIQ9WD

[Prince_of_Tennis]

just because youre asian doesnt mean youre a good player.

Dang...Are you serious? :confused:

[akj27]

yeah, keywords are last year and 60% right? come on, your serve is 3 times better than mine, but I still think my cousins is better, he was trying a slice serve there, and he just wanted you to comment on his motion, not how hard the ball was hit, I'll *try* to record his first serve, and a kicker, and I'll have my 7 years old brother whos never played tennis return it, to make him look good, okay?

[Rickson]

Your "cousin" hit the ball long so he could reach the fence. Your cousin also uses the Safin/Youzhny 2 step. I'd be more impressed if your cousin could reach the fence on a serve that lands inside the serve box and if he moved his back foot up instead of moving up both feet. Are you sure that cousin of yours isn't really you?

[Dimethyl Sulfoxide]

Let's not get carried away and say who's serve is better and what not. The beauty of tennis is that on any given day thousands of other players with less and more experience can beat you. Only exception is Federer.

With that said, I'm with Rickson in saying that I'm not quite impressed with a slice serve for video analysis. Most beginners can hit slice serves. Next time hit a kickserve and don't hold back. If you can hit a good one that bounces high and hits the fence no one can critize the results, only the technique (which is what you want). Or just post a side / front view. No one needs to know what happens to the ball.

[Rickson]

I looked at both serves and in my opinion, Prince has the better serve. Prince's kick serve was more effective than the cousin's in every aspect. I can't even analyze the cousin's serve properly because it was a fault. If ak47 wants a proper analysis of his or his cousin's or stepbrother's serve, he should make a video of serves that land in, and show more than just 1 serve.

[akj27]

that WASNT a kickserve though

[Rickson]

that WASNT a kickserve though
Prince hit one flat and two kick serves. Your cousin's serve was definitely not a kick serve.

[akj27]

errr, i said"that WAS NOT!" a kick serve, so yeah, its not a kickserve, its a slice serve, i also said, i'll try to take some videos of my cousins kickserve and first serve.

[Rickson]

errr, i said"that WAS NOT!" a kick serve, so yeah, its not a kickserve, its a slice serve, i also said, i'll try to take some videos of my cousins kickserve and first serve.
Now by cousin, you really mean you, right?

[akj27]

haha, why do you guys think youre so smart? lol

ive been playing for like 8 months, i wish i had a serve like my cousins or princes

[Rickson]

haha, why do you guys think youre so smart? lol

ive been playing for like 8 months, i wish i had a serve like my cousins or princes
I wouldn't wish either serve on my worst enemy, but if I had to pick, I'd go with Prince's serve.

[akj27]

haha, rickson, youre 38 years old, AND youve been playing for 2 years or so, you probably run out of stamina by second game, either let us see your serve or shut up lol

[mark1]

nice kick serve prince. very impressive for only playing for two years...

[Rickson]

haha, rickson, youre 38 years old, AND youve been playing for 2 years or so, you probably run out of stamina by second game, either let us see your serve or shut up lol
I serve better than that wack video of whoever you're showing. If I played you a set, you'd get bageled, son. Don't play yourself.

[akj27]

I NEVER said im good, i know youre probably better than me. and let us see your serve, if you have the energy to upload it, that is

[Rickson]

I NEVER said im good, i know youre probably better than me. and let us see your serve, if you have the energy to upload it, that is
I know guys who've been playing for less than a year who have better serves than that clip you're showing. Let me be brutally honest here, that serve you're bragging about is not good.

[akj27]

first of all, that is not my serve, second, it was a slice serve, Im gonna get a video of his kickserve, and first serve, then we'll see if it still sucks, trust me, i have no reason to defend his serve, but its really not bad at all.

[mark1]

no offense man, but to a 4.0 like myself or a player better than that that was not a very good serve. but for someone who is kind of a beginner it is definately a solid start. for only playing for nine months its really not that bad. But it really didnt have much slice on it and it is not coming with that much velocity. thats pretty much right in my wheelhouse as a right-hander and my shot would likely be coming back with more velocity than that serve did. I would be curious to see his flat serve and kick serve as well. If i were him i would take that slice serve out of his repetoire...jmo

[gscone]

first of all, that is not my serve, second, it was a slice serve, Im gonna get a video of his kickserve, and first serve, then we'll see if it still sucks, trust me, i have no reason to defend his serve, but its really not bad at all.

Awesome...just curious as to why your cousin just does not post this himself.

[akj27]

because he does not speak english

[Rickson]

Prince has good form and shows much potential for a player of 2 years. Ak47's video clip of whoever that is shows bad form and I'm shocked that AK keeps disrespecting superior servers such as Prince and myself in favor of that horrendous serve video of his "cousin" or whoever that is.

[VieTProdigY]

i cant believe how ridiculously egotistic u people are, besides i have a monster serve rocking 130 =)

[livthemoment]

are you sure that was not his attempt at a kick. The ball is looming over his head...I cannot tell how far in front it is...And playing it frame by frame his racquet goes out to the side in his follow through. Tell him to make that his second serve, and then develop a first serve.

[Prince_of_Tennis]

yeah, keywords are last year and 60% right? come on, your serve is 3 times better than mine, but I still think my cousins is better, he was trying a slice serve there, and he just wanted you to comment on his motion, not how hard the ball was hit, I'll *try* to record his first serve, and a kicker, and I'll have my 7 years old brother whos never played tennis return it, to make him look good, okay?

I wasn't commenting on the pace. I don't care about the pace of the ball. His service motion isn't that great. :(

I haven't been playing that long but i stilll can say his motion is ugly.Besides you were the one that came out an brought racism into this. :mad:
If you are trying to say my cousin isn't good alright I don't care. :neutral:

[dickbarney]

I would suggest pointing at the ball with the left hand during the toss for better balance and consistency. I would suggest pulling the left arm into the chest instead of dropping to the waist when hitting the ball to get more chest rotation.
I would also suggest more tilt to the shoulders in the trophy position. I think the right shoulder is too high to get drive up at the ball .

[imr]

"If I want to increase power on my serve, I must direct my power toward the point of contact. .... When trowing upward toward the point of contact, the hitting arm straightens at contact, creating a forearm rotation and wrist snap that takes the ball down to the service box. So, to develop the sonic serve, we must focus on the UPWARD-PITCH technique" (from Nick Bollettieri's Tennis Handbook)

Note, upward, not forward. Hope that helps.

[kreative]

"cousin"'s grip looks eastern to me

[x Southpaw x]

Something tell's me that this is your serve and you can't take the criticism. :D
Yeah I agree on this point.

Other than a good general motion and decent toss, I'd say it's mediocre.

[imr]

Kreative is right. Grip is more eastern. “Cousin” compensates for eastern grip with wrist supination (wrist is flexed). Flexed wrist leaves no room for wrist snapping and dramatically reduces the power of serve.

[equinox]

Atleast your cousin has a better serve than this guy.

What a complete amateur newb.

He's lucky to be even 3.0 serve.

Look at his mininal hip + shoulder turn.
And his feet are moving all over the place.
Little to no knee bend!
He's not even tossing the ball out in front!

http://home.iprimus.com.au.nyud.net:8090/jgallus/tennis/serve%20from%20side.gif
http://home.iprimus.com.au.nyud.net:8090/jgallus/tennis/serve%20from%20behind.gif

;)

[Prince_of_Tennis]

Atleast your cousin has a better serve than this guy.

What a complete amateur newb.

He's lucky to be even 3.0 serve.

Look at his mininal hip + shoulder turn.
And his feet are moving all over the place.
Little to no knee bend!
He's not even tossing the ball out in front!

;)
Still looks nicer than his cousins. Looks smooth even though it lacks a lot of stuff.

[Rickson]

Atleast your cousin has a better serve than this guy.

What a complete amateur newb.

He's lucky to be even 3.0 serve.

Look at his mininal hip + shoulder turn.
And his feet are moving all over the place.
Little to no knee bend!
He's not even tossing the ball out in front!

http://home.iprimus.com.au.nyud.net:8090/jgallus/tennis/serve%20from%20side.gif
http://home.iprimus.com.au.nyud.net:8090/jgallus/tennis/serve%20from%20behind.gif

;)
Your serve is actually much better than ahem, "cousin's" serve, equinox. Your grip is continental where as the "cousin" uses an eastern forehand grip. You both use the Safin 2 step, and you both have a slight hitch or 2, but your serve is better overall, equinox.

[akj27]

haha, you guys are really funny, im so offended by this, after all, its my cousins serve, not mine


im gonna post a video of mine, so you all can shut up(im the guy in the avaatar btw)

[shindemac]

dude why is everyone being so caustic today so what if his serve sucks not everyone can have pro serves and that serve looks ugly below, err above for u guys

[Klippy]

eh u know what? i got a pretty good serve! lolz