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PM_
09-24-2005, 04:07 PM
Although many of us will proudly say he's always a good sportsman when playing the game, but really c'mon-what do you do/have done to get the mental edge over your opponent early.

For example:

1) Stare my opponent right in the eyes in an unpleasant-like way when he is setting up to serve.

or

2) I constantly say things like, "No pressure-you've got it" or "Nice! That was a big point".

joe sch
09-24-2005, 04:43 PM
If you can beat a player with your tennis skills, improve them, rather than look for gamesmanship advantages :)

Marius_Hancu
09-24-2005, 05:03 PM
just keep the ball in play in 2-3 30 balls exchanges, and win them, and he will hate and fear you

or discover quickly his weak side and exploit it repeatedly

golden chicken
09-24-2005, 05:09 PM
you can spray balls and patty-cake serves during warmup, then turn it up during the first couple points, especially if you get to serve first.

you can dink and lob.

you can yell "fault!" on serves that are way out or in the net

Mountainman
09-24-2005, 05:10 PM
Although many of us will proudly say he's always a good sportsman when playing the game, but really c'mon-what do you do/have done to get the mental edge over your opponent early.

For example:

1) Stare my opponent right in the eyes in an unpleasant-like way when he is setting up to serve.

or

2) I constantly say things like, "No pressure-you've got it" or "Nice! That was a big point".

Ahah good examples! ummmmm, mental edge. I think what they mean by mental strength in tennis is to realize what strategies to use and when to take a risk.

Just go ahead and say, "I am better than you and my racket is bigger than yours." Ahaha just kidding.

Before the game, I warm-up my strokes while hiding my strengths. When the game starts or when it is my turn to serve, I pound the ball into the service box. This would usually put pressure on my opponent for the first two games.
You could put a mental edge over your opponent just by being consistent and pressuring your opponent by making him or her take difficult shots.

safin_protege
09-24-2005, 05:16 PM
Usually some opponents are intimidated by my height and look - I look quite serious and impatient when playing sometimes. When I yell and talk to myself during matches it appears some players become tentative. These aspects are just part of my game, I don't intentionally try to get in other players' heads, because I don't like it when kids do it to me; like when some kids yell 'net' when you fault - it's unsportsmanship and uncalled for - beat players with your skill and not your idiocy.

PM_
09-24-2005, 05:48 PM
To me, a win is a win.
Unless you're playing a friend or regular partner who knows you then fine.
But when I go into a singles tourney I take every effort and opportunity to get a mental edge over my opponent.
I don't ever talk and yell things at myself as that my opponent might feed off that, but when I play, I play quiet and turn on the intimidation factor.

What can I say, tennis is a competitve sport.

thetenniskid07
09-24-2005, 06:10 PM
Dressing like a pro makes your opponent think your really good. It scares them just a LITTLE bit. If you have those plastic raquet bags, put your racquets in them and tie them up with a rubber band! Take it out when you play... your opponent is now like "boy, he must be pretty good!" Of course, some people don't care at all...

POGO
09-24-2005, 06:19 PM
Although many of us will proudly say he's always a good sportsman when playing the game, but really c'mon-what do you do/have done to get the mental edge over your opponent early.

For example:

1) Stare my opponent right in the eyes in an unpleasant-like way when he is setting up to serve.

or

2) I constantly say things like, "No pressure-you've got it" or "Nice! That was a big point".
What if your opponet is 6'-7" and has bulging muscles with tatoos and , was just released from prison after serving 12 years and has not had a women for that long, and when you stare him down he starts to wink at you? How would you mentally wear him down then? :mrgreen:

PM_
09-24-2005, 06:35 PM
Aha, nice try, but I have a scapegoat and that this a tennis match.
And if the guy winked at me, my first reaction would be jump over that net and chop-block him in the legs for such gesture, but I'd prolly just smile back to him. That would throw him off his game no doubt. ;)


btw, if he hasn't had a woman for that long why would he wink at ME??????????, LOL.

cadfael_tex
09-24-2005, 06:44 PM
1. Wear all black.
2. Be escorted to the court with two big ugly dudes in sun glasses.
3. First serve, right at head - it's not a fault if he's unconscious.

And who said sportsmanship was dead.

BTW - I found it was too hot here to do number one, never tried number two, and never did number 3 (intentionally) ;)

scez
09-24-2005, 06:46 PM
I remember at my camp one day, this guy was trying to annoy this kid with a bad temper. So when ever the guy faulted he would say "fault one, second serve". Which really annoyed the guy and made him lose his temper.

PM_
09-24-2005, 09:42 PM
3. First serve, right at head - it's not a fault if he's unconscious.


roflmao, good one.

scez, that would be annoying too.

Love40
09-24-2005, 09:53 PM
I think you get the mental edge over your opponent by just being tough as nails.
Run EVERYTHING down and make him realize you're not going to give away anything, he's going to have to beat you with good shots.

Try like heck to your use strengths against his weakness. Much of that, and you'll break his will. A heck of a lot of club players get down on themselves at some point during a match, POUNCE on them during that time, and they may never get back into it.

I've seen (and I'm sure you all have too) a perfectly good player just implode during a match 'caused he missed a couple of easy shots.

SageOfDeath
09-24-2005, 11:46 PM
Although many of us will proudly say he's always a good sportsman when playing the game, but really c'mon-what do you do/have done to get the mental edge over your opponent early.

For example:

1) Stare my opponent right in the eyes in an unpleasant-like way when he is setting up to serve.

or

2) I constantly say things like, "No pressure-you've got it" or "Nice! That was a big point".

I honestly have not attempted to gain an edge on my opponent. Most of the opponents I face are pretty friendly and so am I even when I'm playing not so friendly people.

And if I am playing against someone who does something I don't like, for example, they call out the score when I am the one serving, during the changeover I'll tell them. Not sure if that counts at gamesmanship but it annoys me because I am the server not them.

stc9357
09-25-2005, 09:19 AM
I don't try to intimidate a opponent but it happens anyway sometimes. Usually Italk to myself on the court and during change overs sometimes I don't take water at all and go stand over on the other side like lets go. I'll start talking in french on the court or spanish but generally french. If my opponent disputes one ofmy calls on my side I'll tell him to shutup this isn't his side. During a team match I told a opponent this and he went like a little bit$h and told his coach. She camer over and was like thats uncalled for I was like whatever. What made me mad was that they were trying to make it sound like I was unsportmanlike when he kept saying come on all the fing time like he was llheyton hewitt even when I missed shots. If this would have not been a team match he would have gotten punched in the face.

Also if my opponents start calling obvious balls that were in out I'll call them a cheater. This happened in the same match above i called hima cheater in front of his momma and she told the coach and the coach tried to get and my face after the match and I was like get the f out of my face.

I TRY TO KEEP IT REAL ON THE COURT!

westside
09-25-2005, 08:11 PM
Sometimes if I win a long rally, I would say a little c'mon and jog to the other side of the court while my opponent is stuffed.

GrahamIsSuper
09-25-2005, 09:00 PM
I like to make fun of their equipment before the match starts.

saying things like "Jeez, only a 12 racquet bag? Where do you keep your cooler full of money?" or "Dang man, can't you afford 12 racquets with natural gut at precisely 62.367 lbs lateral torsional pressure?" can really intimidate an opponent, especially if you are like me and dress up in one brand, even underwear. (Note, it is important for them to KNOW you are wearing [lacoste] underwear, or else they will just assume you are faking, so flash it!)

My racquet case is a 100% mahogany velvet-lined foam-padded case with a anti-theft lock on the front that answers to my voice and my voice alone.

Just kidding...i generally am known to have the most beat up equipment of anyone in the junior circuit around here. Most of the time I dont carry a bag at all, and my shoes have gigantic holes in the sides/top from sliding too much.

dakels
09-25-2005, 09:34 PM
Dressing like a pro makes your opponent think your really good. It scares them just a LITTLE bit. If you have those plastic raquet bags, put your racquets in them and tie them up with a rubber band! Take it out when you play... your opponent is now like "boy, he must be pretty good!" Of course, some people don't care at all...

Or you can go out there wearing your white tennis polo, brand new shoes, matching headband and wristbands, 6 racquets strung with gut in plastic sleeves, lay out some weird color sport drink shake and powerbars, walk up fiddling with your string tool like Sampras, then serve up your 40mph dink serve and win because your opponent is laughing too hard to return it. :D


Personally I never really tried to intimidate my opponents (haven't played a match in years) but I have been told some things I did were a bit intimidating like grunting through shots, fist pumping shouting YEA! COME ON!, and unsafely blasting a first few service returns, and hitting a first serve on second. I never did this stuff to try to conciously intimidate my opponent though except for maybe the service returns and second serves hit like first. But still I even did those just to pump myself up and get a feel for my shots. Sometimes I have to air some stuff out to get pumped up and confident. That's just me.

Oh btw conversely it's fun to go out looking like a hobo, stuffing 2 racquets in a cheap single racquet case and have tennis balls in plastic bags then beating the crap out of some country club snob :P

Rickson
09-26-2005, 05:07 AM
I play shots that are uncomfortable for him. If my opponent starts to groove on topspin shots sent his way, then I'm gonna slice it. If he grooves on low balls, I'm gonna topspin. I'll take him out of his comfort zone and that is mentally draining on anyone.

Jon Hampton
09-26-2005, 10:39 AM
2. Be escorted to the court with two big ugly dudes in sun glasses.

Are you trying to describe Venus Williams?

Clayplay
09-27-2005, 03:09 AM
in the warm up, show your opponent or make him think that you're ready for the challenge, that you're not afraid and that you want to beat him. By doing that have a serious look on your face and give him deep hard balls in the warm up. You could even try grunting.
during the match run for the balls that are going out because that will cause your opponent to aim closer to the lines and that way they're more likely to make unforced errors, that way the'll get frustrated and there will be a lot of pressure on them.

PM_
09-27-2005, 10:02 AM
Good one clay-haven't thought of that.
I'm going to try it tonight!

dakels
09-27-2005, 10:11 AM
I've read that players find Nadal a bit intimidating when they first go on the court. Keep in mind players are not easily intimidated except by the pressure of the match (like a GS) or the reputation/legend/rank of an opponent. Talking purely about initial looks. On that initial look you see Nadal in what looks like a wetsuit top with arms cut off revealing some pretty buff arms especially for being only 19. Then the guy is running all over the place and moving like a boxer and bouncing like a sprinter. He looks like he is preparing to knock you out not play tennis.

Honestly if a guy I never saw came out looking like Nadal and moving like that I would probably find it a bit intimidating myself.

Dedans Penthouse
09-27-2005, 12:47 PM
I'll start talking in french on the court....generally french.Yeah, that'll usually do the trick---speaking :roll: French

If my opponent disputes one ofmy calls on my side I'll tell him to shutup this isn't his side.
Your opponent has every right to (politely and within reason) to ask "are you sure?" regarding a call you make. Telling someone to "Shut Up?!" Yeah, that's class.

During a team match I told a opponent this and he went like a little bit$h and told his coach. She camer over and was like thats uncalled for I was like whatever. What made me mad was that they were trying to make it sound like I was unsportmanlike when he kept saying come on all the fing time like he was llheyton hewitt even when I missed shots.Granted, the other guy was being a jerk by going into his little Lleyton Hewitt act, that still doesn't give you a reason to stoop to his level and act like a jerk in return either to him and especially to his coach. Take you own (previous) advice and "be the gentleman." I'm being serious--I'm not tweaking you. Don't stoop to his "come on!" b.s. level. Coldness (not being affected) will intimidate even more. It says: "You CANNOT get into my head."

If this would have not been a team match he would have gotten punched in the face.
Some gentleman. Make sure you don't write checks that your butt can't cash.

Also if my opponents start calling obvious balls that were in out I'll call them a cheater. This happened in the same match above i called hima cheater in front of his momma and she told the coach and the coach tried to get and my face after the match and I was like get the f out of my face.

I TRY TO KEEP IT REAL ON THE COURT!
Yeah, you're keeping it REAL alright. When the SAME people get continually "involved" in the SAME type of altercation, maybe they might want to take a look at THEIR involvement---if not in starting an altercation, in escalating one. You obviously have an attitude problem. What if your opponent made an honest mistake (e.g. over a line call). You gonna give him the benefit of the doubt (i.e. that he's human and may make an honest mistake)??? No, you're gonna probably go ballistic on him--and in your mind, you have every right to do so. Why do you bother to play if you get into so many little wars. Anger management, asap, dude.

stc9357
09-27-2005, 02:27 PM
Yeah, that'll usually do the trick---speaking :roll: French


Your opponent has every right to (politely and within reason) to ask "are you sure?" regarding a call you make. Telling someone to "Shut Up?!" Yeah, that's class.

Granted, the other guy was being a jerk by going into his little Lleyton Hewitt act, that still doesn't give you a reason to stoop to his level and act like a jerk in return either to him and especially to his coach. Take you own (previous) advice and "be the gentleman." I'm being serious--I'm not tweaking you. Don't stoop to his "come on!" b.s. level. Coldness (not being affected) will intimidate even more. It says: "You CANNOT get into my head."


Some gentleman. Make sure you don't write checks that your butt can't cash.


Yeah, you're keeping it REAL alright. When the SAME people get continually "involved" in the SAME type of altercation, maybe they might want to take a look at THEIR involvement---if not in starting an altercation, in escalating one. You obviously have an attitude problem. What if your opponent made an honest mistake (e.g. over a line call). You gonna give him the benefit of the doubt (i.e. that he's human and may make an honest mistake)??? No, you're gonna probably go ballistic on him--and in your mind, you have every right to do so. Why do you bother to play if you get into so many little wars. Anger management, asap, dude.

I'm not saying that talking in french will intitmidate my opponent its not like I'm doing it for their benefit. My opponent does have the right to ask if I was sure on the calls but this guy had a attitude and tried to get in a argument. When I'm out on the court my adrenoline is flowing and I told him to shut up he can't make the calls on this side. Maybe i shouldn't have said I would have hit him in the face but I wanted to so badly. Honestly I generally don't get in on court disputes but that particular time I did. We played that team again and I didn't say a thing to the guy. Him and his mom glared at me the whole match the next time we played them even though he started the altercation.When someone continually pushes your buttons I said to say something. I don't need anger management because I don't have a quick temper it seems like teverything I post you try to dissect it dedans. just because we got into a argument over football teams doesn't mean you have to follow me all over te forum. I respect your opnion if you were there you would have seen I was in the right.

If I needed anger amangem,ent I would have gone off in this previous tourney i played i Played this guy who continously was cheating. I didn't let it get te best of me he ended up beating me 6-4 6-4 and if I look back at it I should have called for a tournament official to watch this guy but i didn't and after the match I didn't call him a cheater, I shook his hand and left. if I would have beaten him I most likely woud have one the tourney. I cleaned up the conselation bracket anyway. I wasn't the only person who saw that he cheated my friend was playing on the court next to me and my mom was watching the match and they both saw that he was cheating. My mom said I handled it well even though I would have liked to reach over and strangle his little neck!

TnTBigman
09-27-2005, 03:41 PM
you can yell "fault!" on serves that are way out or in the net


ohhh, thats nasty........and it works. :mrgreen:

cadfael_tex
09-27-2005, 03:45 PM
Are you trying to describe Venus Williams?

Now that you mention it... ;)

ironchef21
09-27-2005, 03:53 PM
My brother never shows emotion on the court--it's like he was descended from the Swedes of the 80s & 90s. It's not an intentional thing--he's just very stoic on the court. Anyways this steady demeanor will often get into the heads of his opponents--especially if they're more demonstrative.

Personally I've never been able to keep my emotions in check like that all the time but when I do it does seem to get into my opponents' heads.

waves2ya
09-27-2005, 05:27 PM
I delight, especially, in crushing opponents who bring only 'tude but no game to the court. Folks who can't get it done and mug or tantrum or just plain give up (eg. serve as hard as possible/hit out).

They're an easy mark.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/sports/12740393.htm

Dedans Penthouse
09-28-2005, 10:44 AM
it seems like teverything I post you try to dissect it dedans. just because we got into a argument over football teams doesn't mean you have to follow me all over te forum. I respect your opnion if you were there you would have seen I was in the right.

I don't follow anyone "all over the forum." I lead and then I peed. :-)

But more to the point, we didn't get into an argument over a football team. I think the Ravens have one hell of a defense (I wouldn't want to be in Brooke Bollinger's shoes). It was Seragusa I was lampooning.....and btw, it was so over-the-top what with me calling him every "fatso" name in the book that I didn't think anyone would take it seriously.

Good call on handling "the cheater" and good going in cleaning up in the consolations bracket. Good job. NOW, whatever you do: Don't speak French on the tennis court--save "the French" for your gf. ;-) Good luck.

matchpoints
09-28-2005, 11:45 PM
What about people that call their own full score out during serve? "15-40, second serve" that one makes me smile.

I remember once this guy was being so cocky on and off court and beat me the first set 6-3. On the change over I said, "Man it takes a while to get used to this heat. Are you tired?" He said, "No, I'm good." I replied, "That's great man, we got two more sets to go." and walked away to my end. I did win or else I would have felt quite stupid.

eagle
09-29-2005, 05:03 AM
Be unflappable and be able to deliver especially at critical points.

r,
eagle

liionel
09-29-2005, 08:16 AM
just keep it cool, and stay damn focused! it shows your intense concentration and can just intimidate your opponent.

FiveO
09-29-2005, 09:53 AM
I believe only a couple of posters here have it right. I feel that most of the extraneous things, stare downs, deliberately timing audible self talk, etc., are BS. In there extreme forms they can border on gamesmanship or cross the line totally. Worse, allowing one's mind to be occupied with such thoughts during play can be distracting to the one trying to employ them. Distracting in that while you're thinking about them you may be ignoring thoughts about strategy, tendencies, etc. Things which have a real impact on the outcome. Trying to effect the result telepathically is misguided. Remember in tennis you're actually playing the ball.

That being said there are a few things players can do while preparing and endeavoring to win a match, which can get into an opponent's head:

1) be fit. Not being nor appearing winded or physically spent after a long exchange tells the opponent that wearing you out physically is not an option. And like Agassi, the ability to prosecute the next point on your serve before an opponent has recovered fully can be worth a couple of easier points in a row.

2) be willing. As others have said here, the willingness to run down everything will win you points directly. It can lead to points for you indirectly in that the court starts to look smaller to an opponent if everything he hits comes back. As a result, he/she may try to hit harder, lower and/or closer to the lines leading to a mounting number of UE's from the opponent and easier points for you.

3) be consistent. Play percentages, don't give up UE's. Limit the number of UE's you hit and shift the pressure to the opponent much like the result in #2.

4) be consistent. No not a typo. Be consistent in your on-court demeanor. Treat your winners and misses the same way. On a miss don't react, try to understand what mechanical or tactical error you made and correct it but don't let the opponent see it bothers you. He may be left thinking "this guy doesn't get upset when he misses a sitter. He probably makes 9 out of 10." It helps if you make the next five in a row. Missing the next five will kind of negate the desired effect. Hit a winner and don't react and you've sent the message that its a routine, walk in the park. Hit an outrageous winner that you've rarely or never hit before and don't react and the opponent is really given something to process.

Subliminal messages don't work and may even serve to distract the one sending those messages. Control what you can and those things WILL get into the opponent's head.

Good luck.