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Klippy
09-24-2005, 06:55 PM
Hi all,

Here are a series of pictures of my forehand. Is there anything I could improve? If so, how? ie. footwork, technique etc; Is the overall forehand generally good?

any advice would be greatly appreciated,
Klip,

Ps: If anyone here has Gif animator or anything similar, would it be possible to put it into an animated format? It would be much easier than a series of pictures. thanks again

http://tinypic.com/dyrdjr
http://tinypic.com/dyrg8y
http://tinypic.com/dyrgvl

Klippy
09-24-2005, 06:56 PM
http://tinypic.com/dyrhad
http://tinypic.com/dyrhhz
http://tinypic.com/dyrhx5

Klippy
09-24-2005, 06:57 PM
http://tinypic.com/dyrji8
http://tinypic.com/dyrk02
http://tinypic.com/dyrk8z

Klippy
09-24-2005, 06:58 PM
http://tinypic.com/dyrkhu
http://tinypic.com/dyrkp4
http://tinypic.com/dyrkv6

Klippy
09-24-2005, 06:59 PM
http://tinypic.com/dyrmee
http://tinypic.com/dyrmoj
http://tinypic.com/dyrmuo

Klippy
09-24-2005, 07:00 PM
http://tinypic.com/dyrn02
http://tinypic.com/dyrn29
http://tinypic.com/dyrn7q

golden chicken
09-24-2005, 07:25 PM
interesting format.

your contact point seems a touch late, but it's hard to tell with that angle. were you trying to hit inside-out? also, your takeback is extremely high and big like hewitt's, and that can give you problems when facing a volleyer when you have less time to prepare

Bungalo Bill
09-24-2005, 08:25 PM
you look good, still hard to tell in this picture sequence. Quicktime is the best format. But I like your head position, your weighting, etc...

Keep working on the fundamentals, head position, weight transfer, contact in front, contact point to your grip etc..

Klippy
09-24-2005, 11:13 PM
thanks for the advice,

PS: golden chicken, yes i was trying to hit it inside out but was not really expecting my hitting partner to hit it down the line

Klippy
09-24-2005, 11:17 PM
Also, is it possible to tell what grip I'm using? is it eastern or semi western?

Return_Ace
09-25-2005, 01:41 AM
Ps: If anyone here has Gif animator or anything similar, would it be possible to put it into an animated format? It would be much easier than a series of pictures. thanks again


I was thinking this without even seeing this.....

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/SethAnubis/Forehand.gif

edit: i tried to resize another to use as an avatar, but the file was too big >.<, this was my first time using photoshop so if anyone else wants a try, feel free

edit2: seems like photobucket resized my image too -.-, now the thing is tiny *sigh*

golden chicken
09-25-2005, 09:46 AM
Also, is it possible to tell what grip I'm using? is it eastern or semi western?

looks like western or extreme semiwestern to me, but it's hard to tell

cadfael_tex
09-25-2005, 11:47 AM
I thought it looked like semi-western to me. I was going to ask about it but didn't. I was sort of expecting western with that high take back.

thursdayisgod
09-25-2005, 01:18 PM
if you scroll down fast enough it's the same as a gif.

gugafanatic
09-25-2005, 01:21 PM
Your forehand followthrough looks like Federer.

GrahamIsSuper
09-25-2005, 02:16 PM
The only thing I can say is that its better if you move your right leg first, not the left. It sure feels funny but it gives you a better shoulder position/rotation etc when you are hitting inside out. Just cross the right foot back (past the left, parallel to the baseline) and then move from there.

Prince_of_Tennis
09-25-2005, 03:06 PM
I don't see any rotation up top. I don't know if it was the type of shot you hit or you just don't do it. Cool stroke though looks solid. Maybe update those shorts =)

Klippy
09-26-2005, 04:33 AM
they are hell old eh, the shorts? LOL 60's style!

Yes, i thought i did lack rotation, that was the problem...

thanks!
from KlipPy

Klippy
09-26-2005, 04:38 AM
BTW thanks returnace for the cool animated thingy! :) :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/SethAnubis/Forehand.gif

Klippy
09-26-2005, 04:56 AM
[IMG]http://www.resize2mail.com/50927C3366-E0A1-4E80-00ED2EDE481D1771.gif[/IMG

Clayplay
09-26-2005, 06:21 AM
hello klippy, my neighbour!!!
WELL DONE ON YOUR STROKE! looks good

POGO
09-26-2005, 06:25 AM
I was thinking this without even seeing this.....

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/SethAnubis/Forehand.gif

edit: i tried to resize another to use as an avatar, but the file was too big >.<, this was my first time using photoshop so if anyone else wants a try, feel free

edit2: seems like photobucket resized my image too -.-, now the thing is tiny *sigh*
Great job Return Ace!!! Klippy owes you a big favor for that one :)

Return_Ace
09-26-2005, 08:04 AM
thnx POGO, it was my 1st time in photoshop and i was looking for something to do, i would have done it if he hadn't have said it lol.

but then i was fiddling around with the resolution and colours but i can't get the stupid thing small and high quality enough to be used as an avatar -.-'. POGO have a stab?

Eli
09-26-2005, 08:58 AM
Hi Klippy

I'd say the stroke basically looks good. A couple areas could use some improvement. As was said by another poster, there's not much torso rotation into the ball; you're starting too open with the upper body and the little rotation you get is hardly going into the shot. The other thing is the elbow is a little far extended away from the body. Show a little back to your opponent on the backswing and keep the elbow in a tad, and you should be able to execute a more explosive strike with better control. Btw, the head position is great.

Eli

Eli
09-26-2005, 09:06 AM
On looking at the moving video, I noticed something else that could be a problem. You seem to seem to cutting your swing on the inside of the ball, which makes the shot very difficult to control, especially against hard hit balls. I think you'll have more consistent success if you strike the ball squarely in the back and not with your racket tilted slightly to the inside.

POGO
09-26-2005, 11:48 AM
thnx POGO, it was my 1st time in photoshop and i was looking for something to do, i would have done it if he hadn't have said it lol.

but then i was fiddling around with the resolution and colours but i can't get the stupid thing small and high quality enough to be used as an avatar -.-'. POGO have a stab?
Hmmmmm...your asking me??? You are way ahead of me there mate!!! I should be asking you!!!! Hhahahahhaha

Return_Ace
09-26-2005, 11:51 AM
heh heh, that took me AGES.... the photoshop online tutorial isn't very helpful -.-' it would tell me that i could layer, and i could turn layers into animated gifs, but it wouldn't tell me HOW to layer -.-'

Marius_Hancu
09-26-2005, 03:44 PM
The only thing I can say is that its better if you move your right leg first, not the left. It sure feels funny but it gives you a better shoulder position/rotation etc when you are hitting inside out. Just cross the right foot back (past the left, parallel to the baseline) and then move from there.

On inside out FHs (guess this is what we're talking about here):

That's necessary only when the lateral movement is considerable.

I checked the reference (Federer:-)) at tennisplayer.net, and he crosses back the right leg only in perhaps 2 out of 10 instances. Normally, he doesn't get back the right leg much past the left one, and that is valid for all the steps to the left "circling the ball" in that C-movement.

Also, the first push to the left can be from both the left or the right leg, depending on how well he anticipated during the split-step, and which leg is landed upon first and loaded from the split-step. The leg which is predominantly loaded at landing pushes the most energetically to the left.

Bungalo Bill
09-27-2005, 05:27 PM
BTW thanks returnace for the cool animated thingy!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/SethAnubis/Forehand.gif

got to really get those feet around and plant firmer with the backfoot. This will allow you to explode into the ball. Based on this animation (might not be a complete animation) your feet are slowing down which causes your stroke to slow down off your backswing.

You are looking good but you need to take that ball earlier and more in front of you. Fast footwork to get around the ball will help. Try making more of a C or arcing pattern as well.

ShooterMcMarco
09-27-2005, 06:43 PM
man, when i grow up, i'll have a forehand like that.

Slice Approach
09-27-2005, 08:10 PM
Hey Klippy...I think overall your stroke looks good with a nice loop and follow-through. Other posts have mentioned this in a different way, but one area I would work on would be your weight transfer into the ball. Looking at the animation, it appears that you have already transferred the majority of your weight onto your left foot prior to contact. This means that you are primarily using an "arm-swing" and are not taking full advantage of your body weight into the ball. It might be the animation, but it looks like you move onto your left foot, pause, then hop off your left foot and rotate into the ball.

I think it is just a timing issue. As BB said, I would concentrate on planting your right foot and creating a strong push off into the contact zone. This will give your shot more pace and spin (with less effort) and create a "heavier" ball. One last thing would be to lower your center of gravity by bending your knees more on a waist-high ball which will also increase your power.

hyperwarrior
09-27-2005, 11:40 PM
I'm no expert but you have a good-looking forehand.

Ryoma
09-28-2005, 08:54 PM
It's realy hard to tell since you are hitting an inside out forehand on the run. How about a outside in forehand cross court? It's much easier to tell. From the animation, I will say you hit the ball too close to the body, you should move 1 more step to the left and swing outward. The forehand preparation look pretty much like Federer, but the hitting mechanism is not quite in-line. It looks like a defensive shot with not much depth, should have hit back to the same direction to wrong-foot the opponent and let him hit a off-balance crosscourt to your forehand for a winner :D

matchpoints
09-28-2005, 10:28 PM
Ok It's 1:30am and I'm thinking about lots of things and can't sleep. Anyone going to animate it? What interval would you want the pics to change? 1 second? half?

matchpoints
09-28-2005, 11:08 PM
I might have missed a frame or two. My mobo capacitors are bloating up....I'm still hungry. Ciao.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5210/fh18tm.gif

Forehand looks pretty good to me.

Marius_Hancu
09-29-2005, 03:12 AM
nitpicking just a bit:

there's not enough torso rotation into the shot, also I don't see enough contribution from the shoulder, which remains back; I am pretty sure this might be a problem on all your FHs, not only on the inside-outs

good models: Fed and Moya

matchpoints
09-29-2005, 11:35 AM
nitpicking just a bit:

there's not enough torso rotation into the shot, also I don't see enough contribution from the shoulder, which remains back; I am pretty sure this might be a problem on all your FHs, not only on the inside-outs

good models: Fed and Moya

Given the direction of his shot, I personally can't imagine turning his torso even more....just my opinion on that particular shot.

FiveO
09-29-2005, 11:55 AM
nitpicking just a bit:

there's not enough torso rotation into the shot, also I don't see enough contribution from the shoulder, which remains back; I am pretty sure this might be a problem on all your FHs, not only on the inside-outs

good models: Fed and Moya

I have to agree with Marius here. While the angle of the vid makes it difficult to be sure, it appears your shoulders never rotate fully square to the net or past that. The hitting shoulder seems to stop and remain behind the non-hitting shoulder. While it will be more visible and apparent on x-courts, I feel that one must uncoil fully on the fh regardless of target/direction choice.

Example: Videos of the pros hitting inside out fh's, in particular Federer's (on tennisplayer.net) show that they uncoil and rotate the shoulders fully into the shot so that the hitting shoulder finishes well forward of the non-hitting shoulder.

Bungalo Bill
09-29-2005, 12:04 PM
Lack of shoulder contribution is likely coming from most of his weight moving to his left away from the ball. It would be very difficult to stay balanced and have solid shoulder rotation given the way he has moved his feet and the lack of an arcing move around the ball.

The footwork is what is causing the chain reaction here. Solve the footwork and it will be much easier to solve the shoulder issues.

Return_Ace
09-29-2005, 12:07 PM
Anyone going to animate it?

i've done it, its on a few pages back and its tiny.

nice matchpoints!!! i couldn't get the file small enough for it to be at that resolution........ i take it you skipped a few frames? it seems a lil jerky, and there's an obvious skip in the frames.

matchpoints
09-29-2005, 01:40 PM
i've done it, its on a few pages back and its tiny.

nice matchpoints!!! i couldn't get the file small enough for it to be at that resolution........ i take it you skipped a few frames? it seems a lil jerky, and there's an obvious skip in the frames.

The file is like ~650kb. I didn't intentionally skip any frames. For some reason when I saved the pictures, a couple were corrupted so they didn't make it. Regarding the jerky stuff....mmmm....turkey jerky....so good....hungry....anyhow, i set the frame interval at 0.1 seconds instead of zero.

Klippy
10-01-2005, 03:02 PM
Thanks for all the replies :)

Also another question:
Based on my forehand, what ITN number would you guess I am?

VolklVenom
10-01-2005, 05:19 PM
if you intentially went for an inside-out, it is technically sound.

Bungalo Bill
10-01-2005, 08:08 PM
if you intentially went for an inside-out, it is technically sound.

Actually it wasn't technically sound. The shot he made could be more penetrating and performed better technically. If you thought that was technically sound then your standards are much lower then some of the excellent coaches here.

some of us noticed the lack of a good shoulder turn, poor weight transfer, hitting the ball late, and footwork that needed to be improved to be able to support these efforts. That is not technically sound. The player has gotten by with this because he is athletic and has managed to compensate. But just because he hit the ball in doesnt mean it did not come without its flaws.

snoflewis
10-01-2005, 08:28 PM
ball looks like it's going out...your backswing is huge