2005 Best Overgrip [Archive]

thierry

09-28-2005, 02:16 PM

Why wilson do make only one color?
They know tha white is getting dirty pretty fast... B.....D!
I hope they will get darker color like black, brown,purple.

Rumjungle

09-28-2005, 02:38 PM

Currently using super grap as it gets better as it ages.

I agree with you 100%. I like using all but the black one (they're not as grippy). The colored ones are basically white ones with dye. After each session, I towel the grip off with Simple Green to get rid of the dirt and grime. When it dries, it's almost as tacky as when it's new.

thetenniskid07

09-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Using alpha excel II, I love it! Going to try supergrab and gamma supreme.

doriancito

09-28-2005, 07:12 PM

durable grips are white so that they get dirty and egt replaced but the grip is still there

starscream

09-28-2005, 07:27 PM

Pacific Softy Grip.
Thicker and last longer.

09-29-2005, 11:09 AM

Also Babolat Pro team.. now available in pack of 12 at hola

doriancito

09-30-2005, 07:36 PM

i saw that the yonex super grap is shock absorbent and the wilson isnt btut he prob is the yonex is 2 mm more thick

donnyz89

09-30-2005, 07:47 PM

Couple I have tried:

Prince No Sweat: Clothy feeling, not tacky at all... must be good at absorbing sweat though, feels kinda like napkins.

Wilson Pro: Excellent grip, tacky and absorbant.

Yonex Supergrap: Same as Wilson, more colors and have a slightly different feel but as good and colors give it the edge over wilson.

Tourna Orig: Decent grip, not durable after absorbing enough sweat but relatively durable and comfortable.

Tourna Tacky: eh...... not super tacky, not super absorbant... average on all departments. Its a grip, but not a good enough grip to pay for.

Gamma Supreme: Good grip, tacky feel but different from the yonex/wilson feel. Feels slightly thicker but still very tacky and comfortable. very good grip.

Nakedboy87

10-01-2005, 09:19 AM

i just use original tourna... tacky grips such as supergrap tend to give me blisters.

Klippy

10-01-2005, 03:48 PM

Yonex Supergrap for me

Klippy

10-01-2005, 03:49 PM

I also use the Wilson overgrip on my other racket

Clayplay

10-01-2005, 03:59 PM

wilson for me, except mine is purple not white.

srv vlly

10-07-2005, 02:31 PM

super grap

backhand_finish

10-07-2005, 07:08 PM

Pacific Softy Grip.
Thicker and last longer.

you from sg? apparently there's no softy in europe or us, is there?

doriancito

10-07-2005, 07:35 PM

guys i jsut got my super grap today! its awesome!!!!! it gets less dirty than the wilson now i hope it lasts as much as it....ill keep you updated

thetenniskid07

10-08-2005, 01:19 PM

I just tried gamma supreme and it's awesome. Absorbant and tacky! I love the feel.

rfederer32291

10-09-2005, 06:17 AM

guys i jsut got my super grap today! its awesome!!!!! it gets less dirty than the wilson now i hope it lasts as much as it....ill keep you updated

lol, i think your gonna convince everyone on this board to change to yonex supergrap

ace of spades

10-09-2005, 07:06 AM

Wilson Cushion Aire Super Tack Overgrip....now replaced by Wilson X-Tra Tack!!!

TripleB

I thought x-tra Tack was god awful. If you sweat just a little bit , it was like tryiing to grip a a popsicle. I broke one of my frames cuz it slipped outa my hand on a serve. Maybe it would be good if you like dont sweat at all because it is less absorbent than plasic wrap.

doriancito

10-09-2005, 03:15 PM

lol, i think your gonna convince everyone on this board to change to yonex supergrap
if i can i will its just the wilson is so popular many havent tried the yonex! but the yonex kicks ass

rfederer32291

10-09-2005, 07:26 PM

ya, if you look at the poll wilson is killling yonex

thierry

10-10-2005, 12:45 PM

I don't know why but wilson's killing my hand (burn it) and tecnifibre's give me blisters..

doriancito

10-10-2005, 01:55 PM

I don't know why but wilson's killing my hand (burn it) and tecnifibre's give me blisters..
try the yonex it more synthetic than the wilson so it wont burn!

10-10-2005, 02:25 PM

I just tried gamma supreme and it's awesome. Absorbant and tacky! I love the feel.

Yes it is one of the best...

AllCourt

10-10-2005, 02:45 PM

Wilson Super Tack(Gray is the best, better than the black anyway)

rfederer32291

10-10-2005, 04:10 PM

try the yonex it more synthetic than the wilson so it wont burn!

AHHHHHHHH

theace21

10-10-2005, 05:16 PM

Prince - I like the feel of the dura tac.

arky-tennis

10-10-2005, 05:40 PM

Wilson Pro

PHSTennis

10-11-2005, 10:59 AM

I`ve used nothing but Wilson Pro for 3 years now, best I`ve ever used... Tourna Grip was okay, but needed to be replaced too often, because it tears... both are very nice grips though.

rfederer32291

10-11-2005, 11:44 AM

i actually tried playing with tournagrip yesterday and it sucked. its not tacky at all, and for some reason it wasnt drying as well as it normally did

nuskool

10-11-2005, 08:14 PM

I've used wilson pro, tournagrip and yonex grap. By far I like yonex grap the best it absorb sweat is cushined and is in more colors than white.

Joe12

10-12-2005, 10:34 AM

try the yonex it more synthetic than the wilson so it wont burn!
It's more synthetic? WTF? I thought they were both pretty synthetic! (Well, they're not "natural")

doriancito

10-12-2005, 11:58 AM

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doriancito

10-12-2005, 11:59 AM

It's more synthetic? WTF? I thought they were both pretty synthetic! (Well, they're not "natural")
yes, i have found the yonex more synthetic by far!

rfederer32291

10-13-2005, 08:02 AM

yes, i have found the yonex more synthetic by far!
this discussion is gonna go on forever

doriancito

10-13-2005, 09:23 AM

no, once you try it you will be convinced the yonex is better and the discution will end! is all up to you, may be the force be with you young padawan

rfederer32291

10-13-2005, 11:45 AM

no, once you try it you will be convinced the yonex is better and the discution will end! is all up to you, may be the force be with you young padawan
haha

doriancito

10-13-2005, 06:07 PM

are you a starwars fan?

rfederer32291

10-13-2005, 06:12 PM

are you a starwars fan?
yeah man, yoda is the best

thierry

10-14-2005, 11:59 AM

Which overgrip can make a 2 face use?

rfederer32291

10-14-2005, 11:59 AM

Which overgrip can make a 2 face use?
yonex and wilson pro overgrip for sure

Paddy.Y

10-15-2005, 04:56 AM

wilson pro white,, simply the best!!!

rfederer32291

10-15-2005, 06:33 AM

wilson pro white,, simply the best!!!
dorancito is going to attack you now.

doriancito

10-16-2005, 03:09 PM

wilson pro white,, simply the best!!!
try the super grap and lasts longer, aborbs more but you may not like a very dry overgrip thats why you chose wilson plus the super grap doesnt get dirty that fast

doriancito

10-16-2005, 03:10 PM

dorancito is going to attack you now.
my duty has to be acomplished

roddick_rulz

10-16-2005, 03:10 PM

try the super grap and lasts longer, aborbs more but you may not like a very dry overgrip thats why you chose wilson plus the super grap doesnt get dirty that fast

I agree!

roddick_rulz

10-16-2005, 03:11 PM

but why do a lot of the good pros use wilson pro overgrip? probablly the absorbency?

doriancito

10-16-2005, 03:24 PM

but why do a lot of the good pros use wilson pro overgrip? probablly the absorbency?
it is very popular because its older than the yonex

Lakoste

10-16-2005, 03:25 PM

I dislike Super Grap, I can't really pinpoint why, I just liked Tourna and Pro OverGrip. I think Super Grap loses it's feel faster than Pro.

doriancito

10-16-2005, 03:38 PM

I dislike Super Grap, I can't really pinpoint why, I just liked Tourna and Pro OverGrip. I think Super Grap loses it's feel faster than Pro.
LOL, how funny i actually think it has better feel

TopSpinTennis

10-17-2005, 11:15 AM

Wilson Pro Overgrip

rfederer32291

10-17-2005, 01:55 PM

LOL, how funny i actually think it has better feel
I am sorry, but wilson pro overgrip is KILLING yonex supergrap in the polls now.

10-17-2005, 07:32 PM

Babolat Pro team and vs grips are better as well.

Wilson pro & Yonex are not very good for people who sweat a lot...

arky-tennis

10-17-2005, 07:44 PM

I double wrap the Wilson Pro and just rotate them through. It works for me

rfederer32291

10-18-2005, 02:10 AM

I double wrap the Wilson Pro and just rotate them through. It works for me
good idea, it probably lasts a long time then.

doriancito

10-18-2005, 06:36 AM

I am sorry, but wilson pro overgrip is KILLING yonex supergrap in the polls now.
yeah, well less people know what quality is....and its a matter of trying

Sixpointone

10-18-2005, 09:47 AM

Actually Doriancito, it is not so much a case of people recognizing a quality product, rather it is a matter of opinion.

I can prefer Vanilla Ice Cream over Strawberry Ice Cream. That does not make it better. Rather it just makes it better for me.

In my case I prefer the Wilson Pro Overgrip over the Yonex Super Grap. It is not a matter of quality, nor a matter or trying, as I have used both. Simply it is not matter of right or wrong, good or bad, so much so as it is a matter of preference.

monologuist

10-18-2005, 09:52 AM

Yonex Super Grap is reversible....when mine wears out, I take it off and re wrap it upside down...amazingly, the other side lasts almost twice as long as the "top" side...so I basically get 3 overgrips worth of life in one roll.....never tried the Wilson Pro...is it also reversible?

rfederer32291

10-18-2005, 10:57 AM

yeah, well less people know what quality is....and its a matter of trying
but i still know people that have tried both and like wilson pro overgrip better.

vkartikv

10-18-2005, 11:26 AM

If the wilson pro came in a variety of colours, I would use it over the yonex supergrap. They both feel pretty much the same to me, so its only a matter of colour. And white gets dirty too soon.

doriancito

10-18-2005, 12:04 PM

but i still know people that have tried both and like wilson pro overgrip better.
then id say cause the wilson is cheaper

doriancito

10-18-2005, 12:05 PM

timmyboy

10-18-2005, 01:08 PM

i like the yonex and the wilson equally. i just toss a coin when i choose to buy, usually.

rfederer32291

10-18-2005, 01:13 PM

then id say cause the wilson is cheaper
i agree, they dont want to spend the extra $ when there is practically no difference, and the majority of the people use wilson pro overgrip.

Sixpointone

10-18-2005, 02:14 PM

doriancito

10-18-2005, 06:07 PM

Trust me when I say that the reason I prefer Wilson has nothing to do with saving a dollar here or there. Sure, that might be true for some, but I am certain that is not 100% the case across the board.

Simply put, put dollars and cents aside, and I am still spending my money on Wilson.
ive noticed something interesting on my yonex......you get a wet towel and scrape it along the grip and the dirt goes away, i tried that with the wilson, the dirt did go away but not as much as the yonex and i saw that the wilson when i scraped the towel the grip got like if it was older, small parts falling off

timmyboy

10-18-2005, 06:17 PM

they feel very similar though. saving the dollar on the wilson is perhaps the only reasonable comparison. if ur buying wilson for the brand... ur wrong.

note: wilson isn't the very best in tennis.

rfederer32291

10-18-2005, 06:19 PM

note: wilson isn't the very best in tennis.
i fully agree with that statement, but i betcha there are people that just buy that overgrip because of popularity votes and because the pros use it.

Sixpointone

10-18-2005, 06:55 PM

Doriancito,

Although that is somewhat interesting about your using a towel on the Yonex, and although I am certain that you prefer that Grip, I standby the fact that I am 100% satisfied with my Wilson Pro Overgrip.

Having said that, the simple conclusion is that each of us have found an Overgrip that we like. And that is what is most important.

Regards,
John

doriancito

10-18-2005, 07:26 PM

you know something guys.......a grip is simply a grip!

10-18-2005, 09:14 PM

s_andrean

10-21-2005, 07:41 AM

Prince Duratac by far.

Like the Karkal P.U super grip, but in an overgrip form. The longest lasting one that you can buy.

rfederer32291

10-21-2005, 11:37 AM

OK, come on guys, everyone has their favorite overgrip so we don't need to bite at each other forever.

doriancito

10-21-2005, 12:09 PM

yeah, i agree!

jax11213

10-23-2005, 02:32 PM

Wilson Sponge

doriancito

10-23-2005, 03:52 PM

Wilson Sponge
havent heard of that one, is it new?

supremebeing

10-23-2005, 04:07 PM

I like the Wilson White because of the feel and the fact that my local shop has it on a big double pack of reels . At my house there are four of us playing and we go through like 10 to 20 grips a week.

t-view#3

10-23-2005, 04:09 PM

I like tournagrip the best, my second would have to be prince microzorb.

doriancito

10-23-2005, 05:06 PM

see, its all about liking the feel of each grip,me, personally i think prince has the worst overgrips made on earth

rfederer32291

10-23-2005, 05:18 PM

see, its all about liking the feel of each grip,me, personally i think prince has the worst overgrips made on earth
me too, i think they are even worse than tournagrip

doriancito

10-24-2005, 07:51 PM

me too, i think they are even worse than tournagrip
tournagrip isnt that bad....it falls apart after 3 weeks and doesnt absorb too much as i see it...some people dont sweat to much so its good for them
hey rfederer32291 uts your MSN (messenger)?

BabolatFan

10-24-2005, 08:10 PM

can any1 tell me which overgrip is thicker than .44mm...tourna is ok but i need a slightly thicker grip without having to double wrap it, u know what i mean?
___________________
Babolat APD standard
Luxilon BB alu power 16 @ 61lbs
Tourna overgrip

BreakPoint

10-24-2005, 08:25 PM

Gosen Ripple Grip. Has that nice rubbery feel without being too tacky. It's also fabric-based and relatively thick, so beware.

rfederer32291

10-25-2005, 11:00 AM

tournagrip isnt that bad....it falls apart after 3 weeks and doesnt absorb too much as i see it...some people dont sweat to much so its good for them
hey rfederer32291 uts your MSN (messenger)?
No, I only use AIM. I can't stand using more than one messenger, so I just stick with the most popular one, AIM.

doriancito

10-26-2005, 06:34 PM

No, I only use AIM. I can't stand using more than one messenger, so I just stick with the most popular one, AIM.
why couldnt u stand messenger? its great all south americans use it!

doriancito

10-26-2005, 06:35 PM

can any1 tell me which overgrip is thicker than .44mm...tourna is ok but i need a slightly thicker grip without having to double wrap it, u know what i mean?
Wilson pro and yonex super grap both are .60
___________________
Babolat APD standard
Luxilon BB alu power 16 @ 61lbs
Tourna overgrip

Lakoste

10-26-2005, 06:53 PM

Gosen Ripple Grip. Has that nice rubbery feel without being too tacky. It's also fabric-based and relatively thick, so beware.

I think I used this when I was back in the *******, pretty much exactly how you described. All the shops near me dont have Gosen Grips, only Gosen Strings:( This one is grey right? I'm pretty sure my dad still uses it.

doriancito

10-26-2005, 07:15 PM

has anyone heard of GOA grips?

Ronaldo

10-26-2005, 07:47 PM

Surprised no one mentioned Klipper's overgrips, 4 for $2.50.

doriancito

10-27-2005, 06:35 AM

Surprised no one mentioned Klipper's overgrips, 4 for $2.50.
i dont see the 4 pack here only the 3 pack for 2.99

SMASHER

10-27-2005, 07:42 AM

I'm currently using the Wilson Overgrip and find it to get really slick. I'm a someone who sweats a lot and need a grip that does not slip i.e. Touna-grip. That's my two cents. Peace!

doriancito

10-27-2005, 08:58 AM

I'm currently using the Wilson Overgrip and find it to get really slick. I'm a someone who sweats a lot and need a grip that does not slip i.e. Touna-grip. That's my two cents. Peace!
there are some grips that are specially made for absortion, the wilson and the yonex and the tournagrips are "complete" grips since they are durable, they aborb and other things some other grips only aborb but are not durable....if u know what i mean

Ronaldo

10-27-2005, 09:56 AM

doriancito, meant the klipperusa brand of overgrips, company that sells klippermate stringers

doriancito

10-27-2005, 10:27 AM

i see it now, which grips does the klipper similar to?

rfederer32291

10-27-2005, 11:33 AM

why couldnt u stand messenger? its great all south americans use it!
Not in North America

doriancito

10-27-2005, 11:37 AM

Not in North America
i thin its only you mate

rfederer32291

10-27-2005, 11:59 AM

No I don't plus the slogan for AOL is AMERICA online lol

doriancito

10-27-2005, 12:05 PM

No I don't plus the slogan for AOL is AMERICA online lol
yeah i know there should be something siomilar for south america too

rfederer32291

10-27-2005, 12:34 PM

yeah i know there should be something siomilar for south america too
SAOL, south america online

doriancito

10-27-2005, 06:01 PM

SAOL, south america online
good name

StraightSets

10-28-2005, 02:57 AM

Polyfibre Overgrip.

rfederer32291

10-28-2005, 01:33 PM

good name
I think we seriously need to end this thread. We are getting so off topic.

doriancito

10-28-2005, 06:57 PM

I think we seriously need to end this thread. We are getting so off topic.
.....you think????

Da One

10-28-2005, 07:25 PM

Nothing Is Better Than Yonex Super Grap And The Technifibre Grips

doriancito

10-28-2005, 07:53 PM

Nothing Is Better Than Yonex Super Grap And The Technifibre Grips
i agree, ive been told the technifibre grips are pretty good too, as good as the yonex

rfederer32291

10-28-2005, 08:12 PM

.....you think????
some administrator should lock this thread, thats how rediculous its getting, but they should keep the poll going.

doriancito

10-28-2005, 08:32 PM

some administrator should lock this thread, thats how rediculous its getting, but they should keep the poll going.
leave it as it is!!! dont bother the administrators i bet they have tons of jobs to do!

10-29-2005, 06:27 PM

anybody used LaserFibre TourFit overgrip.. description shows promising sign...

dannyjjang

10-29-2005, 09:15 PM

Tourna Tourna Tourna All The Way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All The Pros Use It Guess What Sampras Used It So Use It!

thetenniskid07

10-30-2005, 06:09 PM

I just tried supergrab and omg.... it is amazing!!! I am never going to use anything else than this!

10-31-2005, 05:32 AM

I will never use Yonex Supergrap because it has given me blisters nothing else

doriancito

10-31-2005, 01:39 PM

I just tried supergrab and omg.... it is amazing!!! I am never going to use anything else than this!
yes!! one more member for the club! did you notice it is more synthetic than the wilson and gets les dirty?? its just the best!

thetenniskid07

10-31-2005, 02:14 PM

yes!! one more member for the club! did you notice it is more synthetic than the wilson and gets les dirty?? its just the best!

The supergrab stays tacky longer than the wilson. I like it a lot better.

doriancito

10-31-2005, 04:21 PM

The supergrab stays tacky longer than the wilson. I like it a lot better.
yes...the tackyness is really up when its brand new and goes little by little losing it up.....while the wilson already lost it all

thierry

10-31-2005, 11:08 PM

Are there any overgrips that don't give blisters? My hand is hurting me.

doriancito

11-01-2005, 08:23 AM

Are there any overgrips that don't give blisters? My hand is hurting me.
try wrapping 2 overgrips

PM_

11-01-2005, 10:09 AM

Are there any overgrips that don't give blisters? My hand is hurting me.

Develop callouses.

aidenous

11-04-2005, 12:20 PM

This poll wasn't much of a surprise. I figured Wilson Pro, Yonex Grap and Tournagrip would be the top 3. The only surprise was the margin between Wilson and Yonex since most say they feel the same.

Radical97

11-05-2005, 10:25 AM

Wilson Pro.

doriancito

11-05-2005, 01:01 PM

Wilson Pro.
have u tried the yonex?

jaskey

11-05-2005, 08:52 PM

i first used tourna-grip and then i switched to the wilson pro. when i first used tourna-grip i loved it and thought nothing would be better, then i used wilson pro and i love this grip now and i think nothing could be better. but~ following this trend i think when i try yonex i'll love that grip even more. ^^ besides i'm bias against wilson, i just use it now because i can't find anything better. (ps. i'm bias against wilson because my brother uses it and i'm in a forever rivery against my brother.^^)

11-06-2005, 12:54 AM

LaserFibre is one of the best... after using today I think it is best for sweaty hands. I used to replace every overgrip in 1 hour but this one last me more than 1 match. It is thick compare to babolat VS grip and wilson pro or Yonex..it takes sweat like anything and yet you feel it is new...just too good.. hope it will stay like this so I can save some $$$ on overgrips...

Dan007

11-06-2005, 05:25 AM

I think Yonex Super Grap and Wilson Pro Overgrip feels the same, only differnce is Super Grap is thicker. I still think Wilson Pro Overgrip has the edge over Super Grap.

doriancito

11-06-2005, 07:54 AM

every one should try the yonex and wilson pro, and realize the yonex tackyness lasts more

11-06-2005, 04:39 PM

for sweaty hands both Yonex & Wilson Pro are useless..

doriancito

11-06-2005, 05:48 PM

for sweaty hands both Yonex & Wilson Pro are useless..
well you ned to have very very sweaty hands, what grip do you use for very sweaty hands

11-06-2005, 09:54 PM

well you ned to have very very sweaty hands, what grip do you use for very sweaty hands

I have used Babolat VS overgrip and Pro team. But LaserFibre TourFit OverGrips is BEST means BEST for very sweaty hands.. no question about it..

jaskey

11-15-2005, 07:21 PM

i just tried yonex and i found out that i like wilson a lot better. wilson is slightly more tacky than yonex and with wilson i can feel the base grip(base grip? is that right?) better than i could with yonex.

yonex is a good grip, but i like wilson better.

Abztract

11-16-2005, 01:40 AM

anyone tried pacific x tac?
i think it's quite good.

aidenous

11-16-2005, 04:39 AM

Looks like the winner is the dirty white Wilson. Just think how much Wilson would sell if they made this grip in colors.

thierry

11-24-2005, 09:13 AM

Do all of you have vote?
Wilson is the winner, Yonex deserve a try, tourna grip is has-been.

doriancito

11-24-2005, 09:20 AM

actually yonex is better than wilosn onyl wilson is more popular thats why most people dont know yonex that much

modula2

11-24-2005, 10:58 AM

I really like the vs original, except it really doesn't last long...

Roy

06-14-2006, 12:22 AM

I actually like Luxilon overgrip. It came out recently here in Hong Kong. It's really tacky and quite soft.

kaztennis

06-14-2006, 01:21 AM

Yonex supergrap is my favorite. Wilson overgrip is sold almost anywhere and probably cheaper in general so the poll might favor Wilson but I would suggest you try the Yonex as well like I did. Yonex grip is really great!

Loud

06-14-2006, 05:02 AM

Gotta love the Supergrap and the Wilson Pro overgrip

roddickislame

06-14-2006, 07:49 AM

Im trying different ones now but am currently using Prince No Sweat. Going to try Microzorb.

i love microzorb it has a tacky feel that lasts forever

santolg321

06-14-2006, 09:29 AM

The best overgrip is without a doubt: Tourna Grip. The best grip for sweaty hand and the best tackyness.

ubel

06-14-2006, 10:44 AM

Still Babolat VS grip and Pro team are best for me (sweaty hands all the time and heavy). According babolat website they are dry and 160% to 195% sweat absorbency, which is not there in wilson pro or Yonex...period from my side...
I have to agree with you about the absorbancy and dryness, really incredible grip.. but i could never get used to the feel and i'm kinda glad i replaced my last one a couple of days ago. it was just a tad too thick and the grip never really felt like i could twist the racquet 180 degrees and get the same feel so i didn't like. otherwise, a great grip if you like that grooved feeling. Tournagrip/Wilson Pro because I can use them 3-4 times and still get about 100-80% quality out of each one :D