Vietnamese tennis players

[Tchocky]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.

[atatu]

Maybe you're just a whiney rich kid who should be playing at one of the many country clubs in Orange County (I bet you actually watch "The OC") and you should stay off the public courts. Or is it just me ?

[fishuuuuu]

It is just you, that was out of line.

Yeah older Vietnamese guys tend to be like that. I'm 18 and I don't make nearly as much sound as my elder Vietnamese counter-parts. Their UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, and EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHs make for very unpleasant tennis. Vietnamese is definitely not very pleasant sounding, and on top of that a lot of the older crowd tend to put their egos on the line in 'friendly park matches.'

[Hartzy]

Maybe you're just a whiney rich kid who should be playing at one of the many country clubs in Orange County (I bet you actually watch "The OC") and you should stay off the public courts. Or is it just me ?

Someone isn't having a very happy new year.:(

[kreative]

vietnamese is a very beautiful language, if you know how to listen.

[mellofelow]

LOL... I work in OC and work out/train with a couple of Vietnamese ranked juniors so I haven't encountered any of your 'social' tennis environment.

Umm... I probably can relate but wouldn't let it bother me.

[armand]

I dated a Vietnamese girl for a while and she was quite attractive but it was hard to listen to her language.
I also find German hard to listen to as well. German is kind of sharp and abrubt somehow. It doesn't flow like Spanish or Italian.
I also like Japanese.

[ssjkyle31]

If you take the view of the other person, english may not be a pleasant language to listen to.

[Muse]

I also find German hard to listen to as well. German is kind of sharp and abrubt somehow. It doesn't flow like Spanish or Italian.

Agreed. It's a very guttural, angry sounding language.


And to the original poster, what you said seems out of line. If I was Vietnamese, I'd be pretty offended right now.

[PM_]

I dated a Vietnamese girl for a while and she was quite attractive but it was hard to listen to her language.
I also find German hard to listen to as well. German is kind of sharp and abrubt somehow. It doesn't flow like Spanish or Italian.
I also like Japanese.

Interesting...
I find the spoken German and Japanese languages much alike in their tones and stern use.
My g/f majored in German literature and she can speak it fluently. Cracks me up every time.:mrgreen:

To the OP, we all have our limits to what we can endure around us ALL THE TIME. I'm sorry you feel this way about the Vietnamese language.

The bank of courts that I go to often are full of Asian regulars, some who speak more their own languages than others. But it doesn't bother me none b/c the louder they shout and enjoy their game, the more I can enjoy mine as my grunts become more filtered.

As long as you have fun what do you care what goes on beside you anyways? Work on your mental game.

[nViATi]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.
If you hear people talk normally it doesn't sound like that.
Look at Kuerten.. you see him hit and you hear uuuhgghhhhhhh.. Does that mean the language he speaks (portugese) is a weird language that has people going UUUUUGHHHH? Nope..
Use your brain before you make stupid generalizations.

[Barricade_steve]

lol Nviati, not to make funn of you or any thing, but there is no such thing as brazillian being a language. the language spoken in brazil is portugese

[nViATi]

lol Nviati, not to make funn of you or any thing, but there is no such thing as brazillian being a language. the language spoken in brazil is portugese
Ah.. Thanks for the info I'll change my post. Hope I didn't offend you guys.

[snoflewis]

On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.

well you probably cant understand it because you aren't or don't speak vietnamese.

but i agree w/ w/e you're saying...i prefer not to play at public parks anymore, mainly because my friends have community courts, but there are people who i prefer not to be around in public courts. Im korean, and just watching korean people on the court next to me is annoying because they're loud. i can understand w/e they're saying, but for some reason it's still annoying. other languages, whether its european or asian, bothers me as well...but i think that's the price we gotta pay when it comes down to the public courts. and btw...i live in the san fernando valley, so we got a grip of asians here too.

[TEAM ZERO]

You can tell the countries culture by how the people speak! Japanese people are considered fairly polite and therefore there language is also heard very quiet and calm. I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and Chinese people are very loud but also very aggresive in a way. But there are exceptions, such as wealthy people tend to speak quite politely and quietly while the average classed people speak in their cultural dialect!

[ktownva]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.

I'm Vietnamese and I think you are a dick. I would kick your ass if I ever met you. Just kidding, but I really am Vietnamese.

Here is my reverse gripe: I don't play at public parks anymore, I joined a tennis club a few years ago to get away from the hackers. I usually play singles at a fairly competive 4.5 level, and I like to concentrate and get into the match. I've played against many grunters, and they don't bother me one bit.

Anyway, a lot of times there will be snooty hit-&-giggle doubles players on the court next to me, just having a good old time. They laugh like hyenas after virtually every point, or they stand around during changeovers and discuss their life stories making sure EVERYONE can hear. But I really don't need to know stuff like their daughter's SAT scores while I'm chasing down a dropper. And I'm kind of far removed from how the next interest rate hike will affect housing while lunging for this volley, know what I mean?

Point is, it is really easy to get annoyed during the heat of battle, especially at people on the next court. Doesn't matter if they are boat people or yacht people, annoying is annoying.

[tennis4losers]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.
Wow you are so stupid

[bismark]

Doesn't matter if they are boat people or yacht people, annoying is annoying.
LOL. Nice phrase.

[DX_Psycho]

i'm vietnamese and usually play at the school courts. but sometimes i go over to the park and i see the vietnamese people there. they really are quite loud. i played with my dad and his friends and they get pretty excited. loud shouting and everything.

but i don't really care. when i'm in the zone, sound passes by like nothing. unless someone says a particularly funny joke. i've missed a winner or two due to laughing at someone's joke that i overhear.

[Hartzy]

You guys probably have heard Austro-Bavarian German or something. Most German does not sound abrupt or anything and the tone is very alike to English. Where is Docalex007 to back me up on this one?!

[jonolau]

I play with some Vietnamese chaps in my regular group and they are the same as any other bunch. There is a soft spoken chap who is very considerate and a true sportsman on the court; then there are the loud and brash ones who curse at anything that moves and berate everyone but themselves.

Do bear in mind though, you will find this usual cross section of people in any culture or country ...

[fishuuuuu]

Wow you are so stupid

Wow takes one to know one. Your insight was so thoughtful too, NOT.

I agree Jonolau, but there is an increasing percentage of these 'loud' people inthe Vietnamese community, especially the older community.

[Keiltimall]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.

How would you understand what they are saying? You must be Vietnamese and are stating that your own language is not a pleasant sounding one!

[Keiltimall]

I dated a Vietnamese girl for a while and she was quite attractive but it was hard to listen to her language.
I also find German hard to listen to as well. German is kind of sharp and abrubt somehow. It doesn't flow like Spanish or Italian.
I also like Japanese.

I agree that German is sharp and harsh. Japanese is the same way too though. They sound like they are yelling.

[Keiltimall]

well you probably cant understand it because you aren't or don't speak vietnamese.

but i agree w/ w/e you're saying...i prefer not to play at public parks anymore, mainly because my friends have community courts, but there are people who i prefer not to be around in public courts. Im korean, and just watching korean people on the court next to me is annoying because they're loud. i can understand w/e they're saying, but for some reason it's still annoying. other languages, whether its european or asian, bothers me as well...but i think that's the price we gotta pay when it comes down to the public courts. and btw...i live in the san fernando valley, so we got a grip of asians here too.

What are you talkin bout Sno? The OP has to be or understand Vietnamese. Remember he stated that they kept yelling "DIE DIE" when they were playing? They had to be yelling it in Vietnamese because you never hear people yelling "Die Die" in English for recrational games. Vietnamese always yell "die die" in Vietnamese, whether it's friendly joking around or serious ego competition. So, most likely, th OP himself is Vietnamese and is ashamed of his own background tongue (I say "background" because he could've been born here, therefore being American with English as a first language).

[cak]

I agree Jonolau, but there is an increasing percentage of these 'loud' people inthe Vietnamese community, especially the older community.

As any community gets older their hearing goes. Some of the super seniors I play are all but deaf, as they play without their hearing aids. In one memorable match I was playing with one of our older, deafer, players, and our opponents was another 40 something lady like myself and her 70 year old deaf partner. It went something like this:

Opponent A: 30 all

Opponent B: What's the score?

Opponent A:THIRTY ALL

my partner: What's the score?

Me: THIRTY ALL

my partner: Didn't we get that last point?

Me: THEY CALLED IT OUT (it was way out)

my partner: I didn't hear the call...

I was thinking the neighboring courts were going to kill us. Just a downside of aging. I hope I'm still playing at their age, even if my partner needs to yell scores to me.

[Keiltimall]

I'm Vietnamese and I think you are a dick. I would kick your ass if I ever met you. Just kidding, but I really am Vietnamese.

Here is my reverse gripe: I don't play at public parks anymore, I joined a tennis club a few years ago to get away from the hackers. I usually play singles at a fairly competive 4.5 level, and I like to concentrate and get into the match. I've played against many grunters, and they don't bother me one bit.

Anyway, a lot of times there will be snooty hit-&-giggle doubles players on the court next to me, just having a good old time. They laugh like hyenas after virtually every point, or they stand around during changeovers and discuss their life stories making sure EVERYONE can hear. But I really don't need to know stuff like their daughter's SAT scores while I'm chasing down a dropper. And I'm kind of far removed from how the next interest rate hike will affect housing while lunging for this volley, know what I mean?

Point is, it is really easy to get annoyed during the heat of battle, especially at people on the next court. Doesn't matter if they are boat people or yacht people, annoying is annoying.

You know, what I find annoying is when those people just stand around congregating, talking out loud and watching you. That's really annoying.

When they laugh, you don't know if they are laughing at you or not (No I'm not a terrible player so that can't be it but I do have a temper so I don't know if people notice me because of my tantrums! And no I am not like an arse like Hewit with the C'mons and I'm not a sore loser. I just get mad at myself!)

People tend to think I'm good, I get the attention and hear the comments. My serves resonate the area and my groundstrokes have the loud boom signature. I recall hearing these whispers from people, "I've never heard that sound from a serve before", and the "that slice serve had so much spin it could've rolled back towards the net" My motion has good form as well. I understand that when people think you're good and you stand out from the crowd, then of course people are going to notice you. I just don't like it when those people (you know who I talkin bout) look over because I don't know what they are thinking. It just bugs me with their clowny heee heeeess. I don't mind when the younger kids and others look because I know they are just amazed and not judging me negatively.

[Keiltimall]

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[nViATi]

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[Keiltimall]

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[fishuuuuu]

Keiltimall I have the exact opposite sentiments as you. I believe North dialect Vietnamese is the most annoying to me, sharp and stinging to hear. While Central and Southern dialects tend to be more relaxed and smooth.

(My family is from the South :p ) They might have a little bias due to ... relocation issues but from a neutral perspective this is what I believe too.

[Keiltimall]

Keiltimall I have the exact opposite sentiments as you. I believe North dialect Vietnamese is the most annoying to me, sharp and stinging to hear. While Central and Southern dialects tend to be more relaxed and smooth.

(My family is from the South :p ) They might have a little bias due to ... relocation issues but from a neutral perspective this is what I believe too.

relocation due to the commy biatches....right???

[fishuuuuu]

Precisely.

[Keiltimall]

Precisely. haha... originally well stated.

[Keiltimall]

So were they from the central or northern region before the whole ordeal?

[fishuuuuu]

A Southern family living in Central Vietnam

[Keiltimall]

A Southern family living in Central Vietnam
Sorry about thinking that the Central's way of speaking is a bit funny.

[fishuuuuu]

Sorry about thinking that the Central's way of speaking is a bit funny.

Why apologize? I think all Vietnamese sounds funny ... I grew up here, but once yellow always yellow, and it's not so bad to know.

[armand]

As any community gets older their hearing goes. Some of the super seniors I play are all but deaf, as they play without their hearing aids. In one memorable match I was playing with one of our older, deafer, players, and our opponents was another 40 something lady like myself and her 70 year old deaf partner. It went something like this:
Opponent A: 30 all
Opponent B: What's the score?
Opponent A:THIRTY ALL
my partner: What's the score?
Me: THIRTY ALL
my partner: Didn't we get that last point?
Me: THEY CALLED IT OUT (it was way out)
my partner: I didn't hear the call...
I was thinking the neighboring courts were going to kill us. Just a downside of aging. I hope I'm still playing at their age, even if my partner needs to yell scores to me.Well, gripes about old people will have a seperate thread but I'll say that hearing is behind forgetfulness. Some oldies just completely forget the socre and totally think it's something different(100% of the time they'll make up a score in their favour). Horrible line calls are up there too.

About japanese sounding harsh: I'm far from an expert, but isn't it that when Japanese needs to sound harsh, it does sound harsh? And it's also gentle+flowing when need be too? It seems like the words were designed(for lack of a better word) to sound in the mood for which they were intended.

[goober]

I have been annoyed by all kinds of people on public courts. There are a lot more people that are rude, incredibly loud, will walk on to your court in the middle of a point. I have people come and sit on the bench on a court I was playing on 15 minutes after I started and ask every 5- 10 minutes if we almost done yet. Clubs are soooo much better. The people in general actually know tennis etiquette, the players are more serious and the overall level of play is a lot higher.

[Davai]

This is wonderful, can I hear anymore some more crude reamrks about public courts from the bloated, self indulged posters who carry the newest racekt on the market strung with the highest grade natural gut, protected by the most modern Wilson super bag, endoresd by Federer of course, And can't hit a decent forehand to save their lives. Well maybe, most likely, not all, not even a majority, of such people with that equipment will be that way but my point is not about the equipment.

To all who "i prefer not to play at public parks anymore, mainly because my friends have community courts" have you ever seen the public courts, I doubt it. Where do you think college players practice, on club courts, i think they would rather buy some more gut. Somebody from those public courts should put you in the right place, or is that what you are afraid of?
Me and my friend once had a discussion about why tennis is still considered to be the sport of the top most elite. It's because of you, and your false contemptous attitude. The level of play at public courts can be very high.


On a different note I once saw a couple of Vietnamese people play and it was hilarious. The courts were deserted, and they were just playing, maybe 2.0-3.0 NTRP. Anyways they were yelling at each other in Vietnamese and it cracked me up. I didn't understand but knew what they were saying.

[nViATi]

Dude, did you just call me a name? It got blocked out so I can't tell if you were offended or what! If you did call me a name, I don't know why? I read that you are Vietnamese so I wouldn't see how you can't understand what I had to say.
If it was a censored word it would have been "****" or something like that.
By saying "...." I meant that I think your post is so "poopy" that i have no comment for it.

[goober]

To all who "i prefer not to play at public parks anymore, mainly because my friends have community courts" have you ever seen the public courts, I doubt it. Where do you think college players practice, on club courts, i think they would rather buy some more gut. Somebody from those public courts should put you in the right place, or is that what you are afraid of?
Me and my friend once had a discussion about why tennis is still considered to be the sport of the top most elite. It's because of you, and your false contemptous attitude. The level of play at public courts can be very high.
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Have I ever seen public courts- uh yes that's all I use to play on. There are some good players on public courts but there are far more 2.0-3.5 level players in my experience. I am certianly not afraid of the level of play if that is what you are implying. I would keep playing on public courts but I got tired of 1 hour limits on court time. Public courts around here are not very well kept up, don't take reservations and the people on public courts are in *general* less aware of tennis etiquette. I hate paying high fees for clubs- but you get what you pay for.

College players around here don't practice on public courts. They practice at their school and nobody else is allowed on the courts during their practice. During their offseasons I see them at around various clubs in town. In fact during winter break we had both a local junior college and some members of the the local D1 college practising and play challenge matches with our players at the club.

[Keiltimall]

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[Davai]

Have I ever seen public courts- uh yes that's all I use to play on. There are some good players on public courts but there are far more 2.0-3.5 level players in my experience. I am certianly not afraid of the level of play if that is what you are implying. I would keep playing on public courts but I got tired of 1 hour limits on court time. Public courts around here are not very well kept up, don't take reservations and the people on public courts are in *general* less aware of tennis etiquette. I hate paying high.


Where are you from Goober? The way you are describing it, it would seem that you only have one tennis court in your town. And are there really many people in your club who are good?

[jonolau]

As any community gets older their hearing goes. Some of the super seniors I play are all but deaf, as they play without their hearing aids. In one memorable match I was playing with one of our older, deafer, players, and our opponents was another 40 something lady like myself and her 70 year old deaf partner. It went something like this:

Opponent A: 30 all

Opponent B: What's the score?

Opponent A:THIRTY ALL

my partner: What's the score?

Me: THIRTY ALL

my partner: Didn't we get that last point?

Me: THEY CALLED IT OUT (it was way out)

my partner: I didn't hear the call...

I was thinking the neighboring courts were going to kill us. Just a downside of aging. I hope I'm still playing at their age, even if my partner needs to yell scores to me.


BRILLIANT! We need to make a movie out of this ... Come to think of it, they've done movies on baseball, football, soccer, swimming etc. but I've never seen one revolving around tennis.

[nViATi]

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[bennieboi]

i'd have to agree abit, i'm vietnamese!:mrgreen: i tend to make a little noise like ughh, or something. some people don't think it sounds right, but those are the pervs, i only do it for a little oomph in my shots. But yeahh, i've herad older vietnamese players play, it's quite funny. Some old vietnamese guy on a court next to me and my friends one day, the guy's my friend's mom's friend, but anyways, when he'd hit, you'll hear a loud WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, pretty funny. vietnamese can sound annoying sometimes, especially them vietnamese concerts my parents watch.

[Keiltimall]

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[dannyjjang]

Viets Are Gangsters

[Keiltimall]

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[elee3]

Here in Orange County, CA...we have a large Vietnamese population; and a lot of them play tennis. Is it just me or do they seem to be pretty loud on the tennis court? I had 3 Vietnamese guys playing on the court next to me yesterday and they could not keep quiet. There was this one guy who was pushing the ball almost every time and still kept grunting "die", "die". On top of that, I can't understand anything these guys are saying; on top of that, Vietnamese is not a pleasant sounding language. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Do you happen to play at Mile Square Park in Fountain Valley? I kinda know what your saying then. Some of the Vietnamese there seem to have "tennis parties." I guess thats how you can describe it. Sometimes more people per court than you can fit in a doubles match. They seem to really know how to have fun playing tennis. I generally don't mind that happening court next to me.

[jeebeesus]

whatever the language ,it always sucks when the guys speak it. But when the Ladies speak it.....ahhhhhh it`s music to the ears

[jonolau]

Viets Are Gangsters
Every country and culture has their own brand of gangsters, not just the Vietnamese. Take the Mafia, for example, they were even more ruthless.

[Tchocky]

Thanks for all the replies, guys. I apologize to anyone I might have offended. Just ranting.....

[Phil]

I agree that German is sharp and harsh. Japanese is the same way too though. They sound like they are yelling.

The only Japanese you've probably ever heard is in movies; either the gutteral and low-voiced Samurai characters or the WW II Japanese prison guards or soldiers. "Banzaiiiiiiiiiiii" "Fooka Yu Babu Ruthu!!!!"

In REALITY Japanese is not a harsh-sounding language. It is actually a bit soft-not as much as Thai or Malaysian-more in the central range.

[TripleB]

I play with two and neither one of them are loud...One of them smokes and drinks while he plays (and claims to run a 5K in under 19 minutes) but they aren't loud.

TripleB

[Richie Rich]

I play with two and neither one of them are loud...One of them smokes and drinks while he plays (and claims to run a 5K in under 19 minutes) but they aren't loud.

TripleB

one vietnamese guy i hit with when i was junior smoked on the court too. could have been same guy except he never claimed to run 5k in under 19 min but did claim to hit with Yannik Noah when he lived in France. Sure he did - just like the smoker guy who can run the 5k in under 19 min. His game was slice and dice and he couldn't even ebat us!!!

[elbuzzard_lives]

love that PHO.....and the fresh spring rolls with peanut sauce.

[snoflewis]

This is wonderful, can I hear anymore some more crude reamrks about public courts from the bloated, self indulged posters who carry the newest racekt on the market strung with the highest grade natural gut, protected by the most modern Wilson super bag, endoresd by Federer of course, And can't hit a decent forehand to save their lives. Well maybe, most likely, not all, not even a majority, of such people with that equipment will be that way but my point is not about the equipment.

To all who "i prefer not to play at public parks anymore, mainly because my friends have community courts" have you ever seen the public courts, I doubt it. Where do you think college players practice, on club courts, i think they would rather buy some more gut. Somebody from those public courts should put you in the right place, or is that what you are afraid of?
Me and my friend once had a discussion about why tennis is still considered to be the sport of the top most elite. It's because of you, and your false contemptous attitude. The level of play at public courts can be very high.


On a different note I once saw a couple of Vietnamese people play and it was hilarious. The courts were deserted, and they were just playing, maybe 2.0-3.0 NTRP. Anyways they were yelling at each other in Vietnamese and it cracked me up. I didn't understand but knew what they were saying.

Davai, i find it interesting that you quote me, but have no idea why i play on community courts. as i see you live in northridge, for the past 3 years, i've played on public courts, mainly at Northridge park. and no, i don't carry the "newest racekt on the market strung with the highest grade natural gut, protected by the most modern Wilson super bag, endoresd by Federer of course". ive had times where i played at northrdige park 2-4 hours a day for 5 days a week, and ive seen a total of about...4 or 5 players at or above the 4.5 NTRP level. i actually know a couple players who play there on almost a daily basis because we've had the same coach or for some other odd reason. but at the same time, there are WAY more players who are around 2.0 who do not understand the rules and attempt to stay on the court as long as possible. but that's not my point.

if you've played at northridge park, which im sure you have, it's not the best courts to play on. one thing, people mess w/ the nets, and one of the four courts needs to have a net replaced badly. 2nd, the court surface is awful. It doesnt matter what shoes i wear, im gonna slip. 3rd, i've seen a handful of players (of all levels) smoking on the benches, and for me (im sure for others as well) it's pretty hard to run and 2nd hand smoke at the same time, especially if theres someone smoking while playing on the courts next to you AND the winds blowing your direction (and yes it's actually happened). 4th, half the time, you cant even get a court w/o waiting 30 min to 1 hour, and sometimes there are lessons for older people age 40+ so two of the courts are filled for the rest of the night. Lastly, it's not the greatest of environments especially for younger children. playing late at nights, i've seen people doing drugs, excessive swearing from the basketball players, and at one point, ive seen people making love right next to the tennis courts. And all this happened within about 10 yards of the tennis courts.

I know it looks like im complaining but to make my point...there are community courts within 5-10 minutes of driving range from that park where you are guaranteed a court. therefore, you don't have to play on crappy surfaces, w/ torn nets, and best of all, there's no wait. also, why should both my hitting partner and i drive when i can jus go play on their community courts? it's the same distance from my house to there or to northridge park. lastly, none of the courts are connected to each other, so there's a higher degree of privacy

[snoflewis]

sry...double post

[Davai]

Davai, i find it interesting that you quote me, but have no idea why i play on community courts. as i see you live in northridge, for the past 3 years, i've played on public courts, mainly at Northridge park. and no, i don't carry the "newest racekt on the market strung with the highest grade natural gut, protected by the most modern Wilson super bag, endoresd by Federer of course". ive had times where i played at northrdige park 2-4 hours a day for 5 days a week, and ive seen a total of about...4 or 5 players at or above the 4.5 NTRP level. i actually know a couple players who play there on almost a daily basis because we've had the same coach or for some other odd reason. but at the same time, there are WAY more players who are around 2.0 who do not understand the rules and attempt to stay on the court as long as possible. but that's not my point.

if you've played at northridge park, which im sure you have, it's not the best courts to play on. one thing, people mess w/ the nets, and one of the four courts needs to have a net replaced badly. 2nd, the court surface is awful. It doesnt matter what shoes i wear, im gonna slip. 3rd, i've seen a handful of players (of all levels) smoking on the benches, and for me (im sure for others as well) it's pretty hard to run and 2nd hand smoke at the same time, especially if theres someone smoking while playing on the courts next to you AND the winds blowing your direction (and yes it's actually happened). 4th, half the time, you cant even get a court w/o waiting 30 min to 1 hour, and sometimes there are lessons for older people age 40+ so two of the courts are filled for the rest of the night. Lastly, it's not the greatest of environments especially for younger children. playing late at nights, i've seen people doing drugs, excessive swearing from the basketball players, and at one point, ive seen people making love right next to the tennis courts. And all this happened within about 10 yards of the tennis courts.

I know it looks like im complaining but to make my point...there are community courts within 5-10 minutes of driving range from that park where you are guaranteed a court. therefore, you don't have to play on crappy surfaces, w/ torn nets, and best of all, there's no wait. also, why should both my hitting partner and i drive when i can jus go play on their community courts? it's the same distance from my house to there or to northridge park. lastly, none of the courts are connected to each other, so there's a higher degree of privacy

“Davai, i find it interesting that you quote me.” Well excuse me I was under the impression that quoting good lines that fit in your argument quite nicely, was acceptable - but I suppose I was mistaken. Well apparently you are either a (A) a person who understands the rules and other things quite clearly but doesn't wish to share his knowledge with other people because, for some weird reason or other it would hurt his sense of intelligence to let other people know what he knows or (B) a person who himself doesn't understand the rules and tries to blame his ignorance upon the rules themselves.

Well apparently you haven't played much at other locations, because I have seen places much more slippery than those courts and the quality of playing was very good. Have you ever seen the FO or Wimbledon courts? Moreover your seemingly interminable obsession with the net is probably associated with the net having some sort of affect on your hitting or you can't adjust your play to accommodate for this minute difference. However since you are the expert on nets and their millimeteric differences, perhaps you would want to write the agency responsible for the maintenance of the courts to look into the issue without delay. Or if you want it done even faster you can pester one of the liberal rep. of CA and remind them of how you have been an honest citizen voting at every election and volunteering your time at the rep.'s major interest group and your senior vote at it - thus the matter will be of a very high importance and prominence yet easy a task. Remember to quote your name in a general way since you are probably neither a regular voter nor hold any position whatsoever at the interest group - ex. CA's voice for tennis players or an average citizen of the Bear Republic. Thus as politicians often are, the helpers of the rep. will address your issue, and probably promptly, thus trying to buy your vote. Again, perhaps you are not aware, smoking in public areas, especially recreation parks, is specifically prohibited and for the same reasons mentioned above. A courteous reminder with an easy tone and that person would probably quit - thus you’ll be doing yourself and others a favor since you are an outstanding citizen monitoring everybody else to also have a pleasant time.
As with regard to you waiting so long, half to a full hour, I don't understand why you have waited so long, maybe you need to look at the rules, instead of staring blankly into the space. Only one match is allowed and no more than 20 min, I believe, of rallying is allowed though myself I think is unfair and disregard that the latter rule. You mentioned how it's an unsuitable place for children, well I never saw children there when people where doing drugs (late hours of the night). And of course you do get the privilege of playing until the lights go off around 11:30 which you don’t have on private courts. And since it's a public place your tax money are paying for the Police, and the Police does patrol the area. As for your sighting of people making love, I won't start calling you by some obscene words that fill the description you just provided, such as *******, but there is a little saying "mind your own business" which has been mentioned a lot in British Lit. but I think is quite common herein the US too.

Your last paragraph is quite true and has nothing controversial in it but I doubt that you'll find good tennis players to play against at a match of doubles at any rate, whereas on public courts your chances are quite good. Furthermore you have no one there to learn a few tips from except maybe your friend.

Well this has been a long post; if you want me to process the raw facts into a neatly organized essay just say so. It’d probably take me no more than 15 min. Hmmm and I thought this thread was about Vietnamese tendencies when playing tennis and for that matter not really Vietnamese but people from of a different culture.

[Keiltimall]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thank you.

[Ripper]

Don't mess with the Vietnamese.

[kreative]

BRILLIANT! We need to make a movie out of this ... Come to think of it, they've done movies on baseball, football, soccer, swimming etc. but I've never seen one revolving around tennis.

There was that movie Wimbledon that came out not too long ago.

[snoflewis]

im tired of this argument...so how bout them vietnamese tennis players? i have yet to see one that doesnt speak english

[tamdoankc]

i've been living in vietnam the past couple years. it's mostly the older guys who make a lot of noise but it's all in fun. a lot of vietnamese here and back in the states play for money so it can get pretty serious and talk a lot of smack. a couple of vietkieu came here and bet my female friend $1000usd to a doubles match.

[jonolau]

There was that movie Wimbledon that came out not too long ago.
Ahhh, they didn't screen it here ...

[armand]

i've been living in vietnam the past couple years. it's mostly the older guys who make a lot of noise but it's all in fun. a lot of vietnamese here and back in the states play for money so it can get pretty serious and talk a lot of smack. a couple of vietkieu came here and bet my female friend $1000usd to a doubles match.Please, go on
And what's Vietkieu? The French?

[goober]

Please, go on
And what's Vietkieu? The French?


I am pretty sure that vietkieu = overseas Vietnamese

[tamdoankc]

goober's correct, vietkieu = overseas vietnamese.

(in Vietnam) So my friend who is in her early 40s (probably a 4.5) called up a friend of hers to partner up with. Her friend is the top male national player in Vietnam. The challengers of course lost and went home humiliated and a lot lighter in the wallets.

I don't enjoy playing in Vietnam as much as in the States. Vietnamese take sports much too seriously.

[jonolau]

You're quite spot on with your observation. Even the vietkieu in Singapore take tennis too seriously and get extremely upset when they lose or are down in the set ... not a pretty sight to play with a frustrated Vietnamese ...

[BreakPoint]

As far as languages are concerned, from my personal experience, Vietnamese and Cantonese are two of the more unpleasant sounding languages I've heard with my English attuned ears. In fact, they sound like they use similar tones to me, although I don't understand either. I find Mandarin to be much less awkward sounding. Japanese is actually a very pleasant sounding language IMO, especially the feminine form as spoken by women. No offense to anyone, of course. :D

[chris2k5]

Wow...

I'm Vietnamese and I really find this post somewhat racist? People are saying how the language is unpleasant...

Some vietnamese people can say that English is a disgusting and revolting language too...Infact, can people stop bashing? Its quite rude and disrespectful.

[Phil]

Wow...

I'm Vietnamese and I really find this post somewhat racist? People are saying how the language is unpleasant...

Some vietnamese people can say that English is a disgusting and revolting language too...Infact, can people stop bashing? Its quite rude and disrespectful.

Why is it "racist" to make the comment that a specific language sounds ugly, or gutteral to the ear? That has nothing to do with race. I don't like fingers scratching on a chalboard; does that make me anti-finger or anti-board? No, it's just something that is not pleasant to my auditory senses. Don't play the "race card"; especially if you have no idea what you're talking about.

[str33t]

viet pride !

[BreakPoint]

Why is it "racist" to make the comment that a specific language sounds ugly, or gutteral to the ear? That has nothing to do with race. I don't like fingers scratching on a chalboard; does that make me anti-finger or anti-board? No, it's just something that is not pleasant to my auditory senses. Don't play the "race card"; especially if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Exactly! It has nothing to do with race. I know many Cantonese-speaking Chinese that admit to me that Cantonese is a very unpleasant sounding language. Does that make them self-hating or racist against themselves? Of course not!! Language has nothing to do with race. A white Frenchman or a black Nigerian speaking Vietnamese would sound just as unpleasant to an English accustomed ear as a Vietnamese speaking Vietnamese.

[ffrpg]

Wow...

I'm Vietnamese and I really find this post somewhat racist? People are saying how the language is unpleasant...

Some vietnamese people can say that English is a disgusting and revolting language too...Infact, can people stop bashing? Its quite rude and disrespectful.



Damn dude, calm down. Being Vietnamese myself, I can honestly say that Vietnamese is very unpleasant to the ear. Not only that, but Vietnamese people tend to talk pretty loud. Unpleasant and loud aren't the best combination. Definitely compare Vietnamese to other languages and you'll understand why BreakPoint said what he said.

[bismark]

Damn dude, calm down. Being Vietnamese myself, I can honestly say that Vietnamese is very unpleasant to the ear. Not only that, but Vietnamese people tend to talk pretty loud. Unpleasant and loud aren't the best combination. Definitely compare Vietnamese to other languages and you'll understand why BreakPoint said what he said.
Unpleasant and loud huh? Wait till you go to shops or markets in Shanghai and hear the Shanghainese haggle over prices. You may think you're in the middle of a full scale riot.

[jonolau]

Exactly! It has nothing to do with race. I know many Cantonese-speaking Chinese that admit to me that Cantonese is a very unpleasant sounding language. Does that make them self-hating or racist against themselves? Of course not!! Language has nothing to do with race. A white Frenchman or a black Nigerian speaking Vietnamese would sound just as unpleasant to an English accustomed ear as a Vietnamese speaking Vietnamese.
Here you go again sticking your foot in your mouth. Language is part of the culture and part of the heritage. The say the language is unpleasant is as good as saying that the culture and the people are. Language has nothing to do with tennis, hasn't it?

Best advice: don't have extreme views. Respect all and keep your negatives close to your chest.

[spaceman_spiff]

Here you go again sticking your foot in your mouth. Language is part of the culture and part of the heritage. The say the language is unpleasant is as good as saying that the culture and the people are. Language has nothing to do with tennis, hasn't it?

Best advice: don't have extreme views. Respect all and keep your negatives close to your chest.

I think what BP was saying is that whether a language sounds pleasant or unpleasant depends on the listener and not the speaker (to some extent of course). A person who is accustomed to one type of language might find others unpleasant. I can imagine that people who are not accustomed to hearing certain types of European languages can find English very unpleasant, especially from people with bad accents like me (I have an Oklahoma accent). That does not necessarily mean that the listener is racist towards European ethnicities. To use the theme of the original post as an example, you could have people from Vietnam find English very unpleasant even when spoken by Vietnamese Americans.

BTW, I don't really find Vietnamese to be very unpleasant, and I grew up in an area with a big Vietnamese community. But there are other languages I find to be either monotone or not particularly suited for certain things.

[BreakPoint]

Here you go again sticking your foot in your mouth. Language is part of the culture and part of the heritage. The say the language is unpleasant is as good as saying that the culture and the people are. Language has nothing to do with tennis, hasn't it?

Best advice: don't have extreme views. Respect all and keep your negatives close to your chest.

Here you go again, criticizing everything I say. I think you really need to get over your fetish with me. Declaring your man-love for me on a public Internet message board is not cool, dude. Some advice to you: Why don't YOU keep your negatives close to YOUR chest? :rolleyes:

Did I say that Vietnamese culture or people are unpleasant? I'm referring only to the tones and sounds used in certain languages, which have nothing to do with culture. A German, who knows nothing about Vietnamese culture nor heritage, speaking Vietnamese would sound the same. I've studied many languages, including Asian languages, so I know something about tonal differences between languages. And how do you know that I'm not Vietnamese myself? Several other Vietnamese posters here have agreed with me that they also find the language somewhat unpleasant to listen to.

So when I say that I find Mandarin more pleasant sounding than Cantonese, am I saying that all Chinese people and culture are unpleasant? :confused: Pretty vivid imagination you've got there.

So I guess when you say that a certain tennis racquet is unpleasant, you must be saying that the game of tennis is unpleasant and that anyone using that racquet is unpleasant since the racquet is part of playing tennis, right?

[BreakPoint]

You're quite spot on with your observation. Even the vietkieu in Singapore take tennis too seriously and get extremely upset when they lose or are down in the set ... not a pretty sight to play with a frustrated Vietnamese ...

And how's that for stereotyping an entire people?

"Best advice: don't have extreme views. Respect all and keep your negatives close to your chest." :cool:

[Phil]

Here you go again sticking your foot in your mouth. Language is part of the culture and part of the heritage. The say the language is unpleasant is as good as saying that the culture and the people are. Language has nothing to do with tennis, hasn't it?

Best advice: don't have extreme views. Respect all and keep your negatives close to your chest.

I disagree. Language is certainly part of a culture, but making the comment that a language is unpleasant to the ear is not any kind of indictment of the entire culture, nor is it "racist".

I don't agree with Breakpoint on a lot of things, but I have to agree with him that Cantonese is about the most abrasive-sounding language on the planet (of the ones that I've heard, of course). But I admire Hong Kong/Cantonese culture. So what, the language is ugly-I think you're overreacting.

[jonolau]

Here you go again, criticizing everything I say. I think you really need to get over your fetish with me. Declaring your man-love for me on a public Internet message board is not cool, dude. Some advice to you: Why don't YOU keep your negatives close to YOUR chest? :rolleyes:

Did I say that Vietnamese culture or people are unpleasant? I'm referring only to the tones and sounds used in certain languages, which have nothing to do with culture. A German, who knows nothing about Vietnamese culture nor heritage, speaking Vietnamese would sound the same. I've studied many languages, including Asian languages, so I know something about tonal differences between languages. And how do you know that I'm not Vietnamese myself? Several other Vietnamese posters here have agreed with me that they also find the language somewhat unpleasant to listen to.

So when I say that I find Mandarin more pleasant sounding than Cantonese, am I saying that all Chinese people and culture are unpleasant? :confused: Pretty vivid imagination you've got there.

So I guess when you say that a certain tennis racquet is unpleasant, you must be saying that the game of tennis is unpleasant and that anyone using that racquet is unpleasant since the racquet is part of playing tennis, right?

Beautiful! BreakPoint the Generalist who knows a little about everything in the world! Next task for you: salvage world peace.

[dennis1188]

Jesteś szalony!

[Tchocky]

I can't believe people are still reading my thread after almost 3 months!:confused: I must have touched a nerve. Once again...I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just ranting.:D

[egitserp]

this thread is dead-on, being of vietnamese heritage myself I understand that it is an "ugly" language, and older vietnamese people do tend to speak louder esp. on the phone. Whenever my moms on the phone she tends to get a little bit loud, I do not know why, but she just does. I go to public courts, that have a large amount of vietnamese people playing, the young ones are okay, but the older ones tend to get rowdy like say the 20-40 year olds.