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Gabs011
01-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Since I am a fan of rare racquets I thought that I would share my latest racquet with you guys. Here are some pics and a short review.

Groundies and volleys with the racquet were a dream. The powerful to control ratio was ideal. I have used the Yonex RDX 500 previous to this racquet which I found too low powered for my liking. When you strike the ball in the sweetspot the feeling is second to none. Also I just love the box beam, which I have never used before.

Many people have said that the feel is not up there with the PS 6.0 95. I have not tried this particular masterpiece however I have to say the feel of the HPS 6.0 is exceptional. On serves it could do with a tad more power however all in all a wonderful racket.

I didn't like the shiny paintjob of the Hyper ProStaff 6.1 but the matte finish of the HPS 6.0 is in my opinion very classy.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/7796/wilson10zz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/3932/wilson28cc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/6475/wilson34fi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

888
01-03-2006, 10:49 AM
Glad to hear about your recent purchase. I agree with you that the HPS is exceptional, and I too liked the matte finish on the frame. Just out of curiosity where did you get it?

Ash Doyle
01-03-2006, 10:56 AM
As far as I know, this racquet is actually a standard ProStaff 6.0 95 given a HPS paintjob. Other than that there is nothing different about this racquet compared to a regular 6.0 95. It is a paintjob racquet. TW awhile back sold some of these that were leftovers from the Wilson Pro Room.

Gabs011
01-03-2006, 10:58 AM
I got the racquet in Hungary from a local tennis shop. I got it new for roughly $120. That includes getting it strung with Iso-Speed Control (54 lbs). Not too bad a deal I reckon :D

kreative
01-03-2006, 11:14 AM
I got the racquet in Hungary from a local tennis shop. I got it new for roughly $120. That includes getting it strung with Iso-Speed Control (54 lbs). Not too bad a deal I reckon :D

heh heh, not bad at all. grats on your new purchase. nice frame. i also dig the classy matte paintjob over it's shiny hyper 6.1 brother.

888
01-03-2006, 11:24 AM
Ash, I know that TW got some PS 6.0 95's that had tour 95 pj's but the HPS 6.0 is a different racquet. Gabs, correct me if I'm wrong but if I remember correctly the HPS has a flat box beam which is different than the 6.0's straight beam.

Davai
01-03-2006, 11:49 AM
Here is a clueless question: Did the leather grip come as standard or did you have to buy it. The thing is that I honestly thought that it came with a synthetic grip.

Ash Doyle
01-03-2006, 12:12 PM
Ash, I know that TW got some PS 6.0 95's that had tour 95 pj's but the HPS 6.0 is a different racquet.

TW, at different times, had both ps6.0 95's painted as tour 95s and HPS.

Gabs, correct me if I'm wrong but if I remember correctly the HPS has a flat box beam which is different than the 6.0's straight beam.

The PS6.0 does have a flat box beam.

I use PS6.0 95s, and I really regret not buying a couple of these when TW had them.

Gabs011
01-03-2006, 12:12 PM
Davai - yes the leather grip comes as standard. You are probably thinking of the hyper pro staff 6.1 which looks very similar buts plays completely different.

888 - As far as I know, the HPS 6.0 and the PS 6.0 95 share the same mold but feature a slightly different material composition.

Keifers
01-03-2006, 12:52 PM
Gabs011, thanks for the pics and your mini-review. It's good to see one up close. Can you tell us the weight and balance of your frame? And can you estimate its swingweight?

I hope BreakPoint will chime in here -- he's the resident expert on Pro Staff 6.0s, 6.1s at al. I seem to recall that he said this racquet has some Hyper Carbon in the (upper?) hoop, so is not just a painted 6.0 95. But let's see what he says.

Keifers
01-03-2006, 12:59 PM
Ash Doyle, I'm with you. I use the 6.0 95 and I would have liked to get one or two of these too. Now waiting for Wilson to move on from the current n61 cosmetics -- I'm almost certain Gilles Muller (who eliminated Roddick at the USO and Nadal at Wimbledon) uses a 6.0 95 in n61 colors. Can anyone think of any others?

888
01-03-2006, 01:02 PM
Sorry Ash, I just looked at my PS 6.0 95 and it is indeed a flat box beam.

Ash Doyle
01-03-2006, 01:41 PM
888, nothing to apologize for. I'm curious to hear from anyone that says this is a different racquet from the standard PS 6.0 95; however, I'm certain TW offered this racquet and written in the description it was stated it was the same racquet except the paintjob. The only problem with my story is that I can't find the write-up on TW now (I can still find the Tour95 paintjob racquet, though; but I know I'm not confusing this one because because I came very close to buying the HPS paintjob one)

La Bomba
01-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Yes Keifers, the hps 6.0 has a little hyper carbon in the upper hoop and has a swingweight of 312 whereas the prostaff original has a swingweight of 317.
Keifers don't tell anyone about the new paintjobs, then every1 will buy them lol.

Davai
01-03-2006, 02:21 PM
Davai - yes the leather grip comes as standard. You are probably thinking of the hyper pro staff 6.1 which looks very similar buts plays completely different.

And I was already hoping that HPS 6.1 too had a leather grip, but no luck there I suppose. BTW how do the two rackets compare to each other; I have never tried the HPS 6.0 but the 6.1 I have, and it felt good compared to it's specs and what I was expecting. However whatever Hyper Carbon was on the frame there was is probably gone - that's how badly scratched it is - a rgular tank but it plays well.

Keifers
01-03-2006, 02:28 PM
You're right, La Bomba. Better not to talk about the new pjs too early.

Gabs011
01-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Davai from my experience the 6.1 was slightly harsher on the arm, however had more power than the 6.0 . The similarity of the paintjobs is very misleading as they are two very dissimilar racquets. This is not to say that one is better than the other, just what you prefer. The 6.1 was better at serving but I found the 6.0 better for groundies.

CocoTheMonkey
01-03-2006, 03:52 PM
Keifers:

Do you know anyone inside TW that could email us the day before they put on sale nCode 6.0 paintjobs? 'cause I can't check TW site every day the next two years :(

pistolpeege
01-03-2006, 04:15 PM
Agreed that the 6.1 was harsh on the arm, I could only use mine for a backup.

Though it was hard to break, smashed it against the ground 3 times, then had to put it over my knee....

I was having a bad day.... :(

Pistol

theJuniorACE
01-03-2006, 04:22 PM
how is it on the arm?
would u consider it a stiff racquet or a flexible1?
sorry to bother, just curious,

thanks,
gabe

Gabs011
01-03-2006, 04:38 PM
theJuniorACE - I am not just saying this because I bought this racquet but it is special IMO. Many Wilson racquets I find too stiff, while for example the RDX 500 is pretty flexy. I was looking for a racquet that is in between somewhere and the HPS 6.0 definitely fulfills this for me.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 04:59 PM
Ash,
The HPS 6.0 95 Tour is indeed a slightly different racquet from the PS 6.0 95. They are from the exact same mold but the HPS has some HyperCarbon added to the hoop which stiffens the hoop while eliminating some of that sweet PS 6.0 feel. It's also slightly lighter and has a lower swingweight of 312 versus 317 for the standard black PS 6.0 95. The TW description you're thinking of that said it was the exact same racquet as the PS 6.0 95 is the PS Tour 90/95 paintjob. That one did come from the Wilson Pro Room and was left over when Wilson sponsored pros moved on to the nSix-One red and white paintjobs. Since Wilson no longer had any use for PS 6.0 95's with the PS Tour 90/95 black/yellow paintjobs, they gave them to TW to dump. On the other hand, the HPS 6.0 95 Tour was NOT a Pro Room paintjob but an actual retail model that Wilson sold only in Europe. Federer used one (or paintjob thereof) in 2002/2003 before moving on to the PS Tour 90. Look here: http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1642344.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D05020109421BE9115AFEDADC38D9A9E88ED6B3E 7B81

Gabs011,
If you like the HPS 6.0 95 Tour, you really ought to try the PS 6.0 95. It's even better! Almost the same but better. Still has the box beam (as all of Federer's racquets have had), but has an even sweeter feel when you hit the sweetspot. You mentioned you'd like more power on serves, and the PS 6.0 95 has it! I found I could serve much harder with the PS 6.0 95 than I could with the HPS 6.0 95 Tour. :D

To all those that regret not buying the HPS 6.0 95 Tour when TW had them - DON"T! The PS 6.0 95 is better and TW still sells them. :D

To all those comparing the HPS 6.0 95 Tour with the HPS 6.1 95 - DON'T! They are completely different racquets!! The HPS 6.1 is a successor to the PS 6.1 Classic - much stiffer, flat oval beam, powerful, heavy, harsh feel, etc. The HPS 6.0 is a derivative of the PS 6.0 Original - flexy, box beam, low powered, lots of feel, etc. They only share the same funky red, yellow, and black paintjob, one glossy, one matte, that's it!

To those of you waiting for the PS 6.0 95 with nCode nSix-One red and white paintjobs - I wouldn't hold my breathe. There are very few of these in existence and I doubt many were ever made. Not too many pros are using these anymore. Muller might be the only one. Thus, I doubt Wilson will have many left over to give to TW once they switch to the next paintjob, which may be many years from now since the nSix-One's are selling very well so I doubt they will discontinue them anytime soon.

I hope I answered as many questions as I could.

Keifers
01-03-2006, 05:01 PM
Keifers:

Do you know anyone inside TW that could email us the day before they put on sale nCode 6.0 paintjobs? 'cause I can't check TW site every day the next two years :(
CocoTheMonkey, unfortunately, I don't know anyone inside TW that could do that. Try not to be too anxious about this. It's only speculation at this point -- no real information at all about when this might occur.

If you'd like to, give me your grip size and e-mail address. I'll do my best to let you know if and when I get the news.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 05:07 PM
Oh, yes, the HPS 6.0 95 Tour does come stock with a leather grip.

Keifers
01-03-2006, 05:07 PM
Gabs011, any chance you could tell us the weight and balance of your new racquet? And can you estimate its swingweight? Many thanks.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 05:16 PM
Here's the HPS 6.0 95 Tour that TW sold in 2003. Notice it says it plays "like", but not the "same" as, the PS 6.0 95. Also note the lower swingweight of 312 and higher stiffness of 68, as compared to 317 and 67, respectively, for the PS 6.0 95 Original.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030618123941/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-TOUR95.html

Here's the PS 6.0 95 with the PS Tour 90/95 paintjob that TW sold in 2004. Notice it says it is "identical" to the PS 6.0 95 Original. Also notice the swingweight is 317 and stiffness is 67, same as for the PS 6.0 95.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041023233617/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-TOUR95.html

Gabs011
01-03-2006, 05:19 PM
Keifers, I will go back to the shop tomorrow when I play tennis to find out the weight and balance. As for an estimation of swingweight, I'd say slightly above 315. To me it seems higher than the 312 that was listed by TW. However, I could be wrong of course.

BreakPoint - thanks for all the comparative info on the PS 6.0 95 and the HPS 6.0. It's really great to have someone who basically knows everything there is to know about a classic racquet. By the way, one of the reasons I got the HPS 6.0 is that I continously read your praises for the PS 6.0 95 and this was the closest I could get.

hedonist
01-03-2006, 05:33 PM
I got the racquet in Hungary from a local tennis shop. I got it new for roughly $120. That includes getting it strung with Iso-Speed Control (54 lbs). Not too bad a deal I reckon :D

Is it possible to buy it online?

Thaychua
01-03-2006, 05:42 PM
Another difference i noticed was the headsize between the hps 6.1 and the hps 6.0..
The hps 6.0 was significantly smaller than the hps 6.1 and i thought they are supposed to be 95 head size..
And when comparing the hps 6.0 with a pro staff tour 90(yellow/black) the hps 6.0 was only a little longer and wider than the tour 90....Leads me to believe the hps 6.0 is more of a 92 o3 93 head size instead of 95..

Curious question,
isn't box beam and straight beam the same thing?

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Gabs011,
You're welcome! I hope you continue to enjoy your HPS 6.0 95 Tour. If you can't find a PS 6.0 95, it really is the next best thing. However, if you really want a real PS 6.0 95 Original, you can always order one from TW. :D

To others that still want a HPS 6.0 95 Tour.
Since these are no longer made, and if the PS 6.0 95 Original does not appeal to you, the current next best thing is the Asian nSix-One Tour. Yes, it has a smaller head at 90 sq.in., but it has a similar feel and swing with its thin box beam. The static weight is slightly less (about 0.2 oz. or 5 to 6 grams less) but it's balanced a bit less headlight, about 7 to 8 pts. HL, so it has a slightly higher swingweight of about 322 or 323. It also has the HyperCarbon in the hoop just like the HPS 6.0 95 Tour so it has a similar muted feel on impact. Maneuverability is still very good since the head is smaller. If you like the HPS 6.0 95 Tour, the Asian nSix-One Tour should feel very familiar to you.

I've been trying to get TW to try and convince Wilson to allow TW to bring them in and sell them but so far no luck. Wilson, has so far not relented. Perhaps if more people hounded Wilson and/or TW, they might get the hint, and will finally allow TW to sell them (just like they did with the European HPS 6.0 95 Tour in 2003 ).

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 06:14 PM
Curious question,
isn't box beam and straight beam the same thing?

No, a box beam is literally that, a box, meaning it has four flat sides and four sharp corners, like with anything that is rectangular or square. It is the shape of the beam.

A straight beam just means that it's the same width all the way from the top of the head all the way down to the handle. For example, the PS 6.0 95 is 20mm wide on the entire frame from top to bottom, so it's straight since it doesn't bulge or taper anywhere. Whereas, the Yonex RDX 500 Mid's beam width varies from 20mm at the head to 18mm in the throat, or the PK Heritage Type S which tapers from 24mm at the head to 17.5mm at the shaft.

The HPS 6.1 has a flat beam, not box beam. They are not the same thing. A flat beam just means that it's somewhat flat on two sides, not all four sides like on a box beam. A flat beam is typically rounded on the two sides that are not flat so that it is really oval in shape, and not rectangular or square as with a box beam. So flat beam also describes the shape of the beam, not the width as with a straight beam.

I hope that helps to explain the difference.

La Bomba
01-03-2006, 06:48 PM
BreakPoint, why aren't any pros (besides muller) using the 6.0 95 if it is so good?

Speedy_tennis
01-03-2006, 06:50 PM
is a 6.0 95 with hps pj? this racket was only avaiable in europe?

hedonist
01-03-2006, 06:59 PM
Wilson produced two versions of the HPS 6.0!!!

One version is 346g strung, that is about 330g unstrung. It was available at TW and is the follower of the PS 6.095. The other version is 340g unstrung. It is a mixture between the PS 6.085 (strungweight) and the PS 6.095 (headsize). I do not know if one is the HPS 6.0 Tour and the other is the (only) HPS 6.0. I have a picture:

[img=http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9127/hps605ta.th.jpg] (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hps605ta.jpg)

Maybe this is the racquet Federer played and Muller still has under his paintjob? I have a new one in gripsize 4 1/2 and I want to sell or trade it (for the other version). I live in Switzerland. You can contact me at wps60@gmx.net.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 07:02 PM
BreakPoint, why aren't any pros (besides muller) using the 6.0 95 if it is so good?

Why are so many pros using the Pure Drive if it's so bad? Pros pretty much use whatever company pays them the most money. Witness James Blake. He's going from a Dunlop M-Fil 200 (or something similar) to an O3 Tour (or something similar)? Talk about night and day!! Yup, money talks.

Besides, pros need something heavier and with more power like the nSix-One 95. We're not pros, our requirements for a racquet are completely different from the pros (unless, of course, your regular hitting partners and competitive matches are against guys ranked in the Top 100 on the ATP Tour).

Also, not that many pros use the nSix-One Tour nor the RDX 500 Mid either but both still sell like crazy. And hardly any pros use ProKennex or Volkl racquets but many people still swear by them. Most pros use paintjobs anyway which are not like any racquets you can buy, so does it really matter what the pros appear to be using?

You should NEVER consider what a pro is using (or what you think he's using) in choosing a racquet. Choose the racquet that works best for your own game. Unless your game and skills and competition are at the same level as that pro, doing otherwise is just plain dumb.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 07:06 PM
Wilson produced two versions of the HPS 6.0!!!

One version is 346g strung, that is about 330g unstrung. It was available at TW and is the follower of the PS 6.095. The other version is 340g unstrung. It is a mixture between the PS 6.085 (strungweight) and the PS 6.095 (headsize). I do not know if one is the HPS 6.0 Tour and the other is the (only) HPS 6.0.

Hmmm....I was unaware of a heavier version. Have you weighed it yourself on a scale? How can we be sure that 340g on the cardboard is strung or unstrung weight? Is there anything written on the frame itself?

LafayetteHitter
01-03-2006, 07:15 PM
Kreative how are you liking the one you got from me? Jayserinos99 said you were still using it.

hedonist
01-03-2006, 07:16 PM
Have you weighed it yourself on a scale? How can we be sure that 340g on the cardboard is strung or unstrung weight? Is there anything written on the frame itself?

There is nothing written on the frame, but I weighted it and it is 340g unstrung indeed.

La Bomba
01-03-2006, 07:26 PM
Breakpoint i am thinking of getting a 6.0 original 95 or 85, unfortunately i can't demo and i hope i dont make the wrong decision, what is the difference in power level of the ncode 95 16x18, 6.0 85 and 95, can you please grade each racquet on a scale of 100 for power.

BreakPoint
01-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Breakpoint i am thinking of getting a 6.0 original 95 or 85, unfortunately i can't demo and i hope i dont make the wrong decision, what is the difference in power level of the ncode 95 16x18, 6.0 85 and 95, can you please grade each racquet on a scale of 100 for power.

LaBomba,
I would have to choose one racquet as a basis and compare the others to it for this to make any sense. So if the nCode 95 16x18 had a power rating of 100, I would say the PS 6.0 95 has about 75% of that power or a rating of 75, and the PS 6.0 85 has about 80% of that power or a rating of 80.

Hope that helps.

PrestigeClassic
01-04-2006, 01:32 AM
Wilson produced two versions of the HPS 6.0!!!

One version is 346g strung, that is about 330g unstrung. It was available at TW and is the follower of the PS 6.095. The other version is 340g unstrung. It is a mixture between the PS 6.085 (strungweight) and the PS 6.095 (headsize). I do not know if one is the HPS 6.0 Tour and the other is the (only) HPS 6.0. I have a picture:

[img=http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9127/hps605ta.th.jpg] (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hps605ta.jpg)

Maybe this is the racquet Federer played and Muller still has under his paintjob? I have a new one in gripsize 4 1/2 and I want to sell or trade it (for the other version). I live in Switzerland. You can contact me at wps60@gmx.net.

That's quite interesting. Is the frame 340g with or without the paper insert in the head?

Don't worry about any pro using either(?) version. Sure, they will use the mold, but they will worry about more than 10g. If anything, they would use a lighter version that is more easily modified and matched to their spec; case in point, yours truly, Roger Federer. Federer never used in competition a 95. The frame that he does in fact use must apparently be made lighter than a true 6.0 85-based frame. That's because his weight and balance are apparently close to stock, while swingweight is reportedly higher. To achieve that, the frame's mass must be pulled toward the ends of the frame.

Here's a picture of a 6.0 95 27.5" with Hyper cosmetic. It's about 360g unstrung.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/some%20frames%20and%20stuff%20that%20goes%20in%20o r%20on%20frames/?action=view&current=wilsonprostaff60951.jpg

PrestigeClassic
01-04-2006, 01:34 AM
Ash Doyle, I'm with you. I use the 6.0 95 and I would have liked to get one or two of these too. Now waiting for Wilson to move on from the current n61 cosmetics -- I'm almost certain Gilles Muller (who eliminated Roddick at the USO and Nadal at Wimbledon) uses a 6.0 95 in n61 colors. Can anyone think of any others?

I saw a picture of a college player (Stanford?) using what appeared to be a 6.0 95 with nCode cosmetic. I think the picture was in something that came with my issue of Tennis a few months ago. A quick search yielded this pic of KC Corkery:

http://gostanford.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/100205aab.html

hedonist
01-04-2006, 03:05 AM
That's quite interesting. Is the frame 340g with or without the paper insert in the head?[/URL]

The frame is 340g (unstrung) without the paper. It has the same weight as the Tour 90 or the ncode Tour 90. Headsize is 95sq.in., string pattern are 16x18.

Btw the frame is also called HPS 6.0 Tour. I just saw it on the other side of the paper. It is/was an official wilson frame, that was available in Europe. It is neither a custom/paintjob nor a fake. I have two more pictures.

[img=http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4514/hps6023uz.th.jpg] (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hps6023uz.jpg)

[img=http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2308/hps6034ay.th.jpg] (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hps6034ay.jpg)

ian mercier
01-04-2006, 06:44 AM
I owned and used the Hyper Pro Staff 6.0 Tour for about two years. I also played with the Pro Staff 6.0 Original (95). I'm one of the folks who actually liked the HPS better than the original, only because of the variation in the stiffness of the racquet. The racquet played like a dream but had no power. I would say it was as demanding as the Tour 90 and the NCode Tour, despite having 5 sq. in. over those two.

It was a very light swinging frame, even with its heavy static weight, which meant that it was a fantastic volleying stick. Some of my best memories are playing with that frame, strung with a hybrid wilson gut/ALU job. Unfortunately, I sold them after jumping on the NCode bandwagon. Probably a mistake, but I wasn't good enough to use the HPS 6.0 (or the NCode Tour).

I also second Break's point about it playing different than the HPS 6.1 - these racquets are nothing alike. The 6.0 has tons more feel and is a very low-powered racquet (maybe even lower than the original 6.0). So, if you have a big swing, you might love this frame. It is similar in most ways to the original 6.0, but has a slightly different feel based on the fact that the frame stiffness is different (located differently) than the original.

BreakPoint
01-04-2006, 12:20 PM
Btw the frame is also called HPS 6.0 Tour. I just saw it on the other side of the paper.

Yes, it is. I think I mentioned that several times in my previous posts in this thread. :D

BreakPoint
01-04-2006, 12:57 PM
I saw a picture of a college player (Stanford?) using what appeared to be a 6.0 95 with nCode cosmetic. I think the picture was in something that came with my issue of Tennis a few months ago. A quick search yielded this pic of KC Corkery:

http://gostanford.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/100205aab.html

That's very interesting! I've seen KC Corkery play several times in person up close (but not lately), and he used to use what I thought for sure was a standard HPS 6.1 95 because it had the glossy red paintjob. If he had indeed been using a real HPS 6.1, I doubt he would have been able to make the switch to a PS 6.0 95. However, it's possible that I was wrong and his racquet actually had a matte finish which would mean he actually used a HPS 6.0 95 Tour or maybe he had a custom version of the HPS 6.0 95 Tour or PS 6.0 95 with the glossy red and yellow HPS 6.1 paintjob? If he had always used a PS 6.0 95 or HPS 6.0 95 Tour, then I could see him transitioning to the PS/HPS 6.0 95 with the nCode paintjob as above.

I say this because I found this other pic of him using what appears to be a Tour 90/95 black with yellow inside hoop paintjob.
http://gostanford.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/102404aae.html
Now if this was actuallly a PS 6.0 95 with the PS Tour 90/95 paintjob like TW sold here last year, then it would confirm that he's been a PS 6.0 95 user all along and that he now likely still uses a PS 6.0 95 but only with the newer nCode red and white paintjob as you said above. However, it's always possible that he switched to a real Tour 90 for a while since it's got the same box beam and similar PS 6.0 feel or perhaps it's a HPS 6.1 with a Tour 95 paintjob? Who knows? :confused:

BTW, if you click through these pics (click on pic to enlarge), it does look to me like he's using a real HPS 6.1 with the glossy paint and the indentations at the top of the throat. But the pics aren't that clear so I might be wrong.

http://www.printroom.com/ViewFoundPhoto.asp?userid=stanford&stype=0&sword=Corkery

On second thought, after clicking though most of the pics, Pic #31, clearly shows that he's using a PS 6.0 95 with the Tour 90/95 paintjob, just like the one TW sold last year.

Ah ha!! Pics #55 & #56 clearly show he's using a PS 6.0 95 with the nCode paintjob! Box beam, so NOT n6.1 95; large head, so NOT n6.1 Tour; no indentations at the top of the throat, so it MUST be either a PS 6.0 95 (likely) or HPS 6.1 95 Tour.

So I guess there are indeed more of these around than just in the hands of Gilles Muller. So there might be a glimmer of hope that Wilson made enough of these to have a few left over for TW to get rid of once they move on to the next paintjob, whenever that may be. :confused: Perhaps TW can get them even sooner? :D

kreative
01-04-2006, 02:52 PM
Kreative how are you liking the one you got from me? Jayserinos99 said you were still using it.

Hey LH, lovin' it, though I'll prolly lower the tension when the strings pop. It could use a little more pop.

legolas
01-04-2006, 05:11 PM
nice matte finish

PrestigeClassic
01-04-2006, 07:44 PM
In all of the decent pics of the frame, it looks like a 6.0 95. It can't be a Hyper, this guy has enough in him. Those are some sick jump shots.

If there's at least a couple of sponsored pros and/or college players using the 6.0 95, then there might very well be a few other lower-profile juniors also using it, possibly making Wilson produce excess frames in advance, though having the frame's No. 2 player be in college has to make you kind of desperate. :) I admit, after playing with my heavy extended frame some more, I have found it to be quite decent. I think the extra length pushes the hitting area up just as much, in a way making it seem more like a midsize frame. I sometimes can't stand frames that feel like the throat bridge is so close to my hand. The frame also feels softer and more flexible with the added weight.

La Bomba
01-07-2006, 12:09 AM
PrestigeClassic where did u get those PS 6.0 85 with hps cosmetic? Have you sold them?

BreakPoint
01-07-2006, 01:18 AM
PrestigeClassic where did u get those PS 6.0 85 with hps cosmetic? Have you sold them?

Yeah, first time I've ever seen one of these. Didn't even know they existed. I would assume this is the paintjob that Federer used in '02-'03, since he had been using the PS 6.0 85 for many years right before moving over to this paintjob.
I hope PC doesn't mind me showing this pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/some%20frames%20and%20stuff%20that%20goes%20in%20o r%20on%20frames/wilsonprostaff60851.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1731782.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D050201094219024F4D3AC1CC984812DFF129100 0BAA

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1885144.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D0502010942107B93691304CDD469A9E88ED6B3E 7B81

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1642344.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D05020109421BE9115AFEDADC38D9A9E88ED6B3E 7B81

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52814181.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=57A164D7BE880A2753DAB8B5F7F1760194D2604A015C F9DF

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52885921.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=57A164D7BE880A277B5FCEDB3946EE3194D2604A015C F9DF

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/548390.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D0502010942122FA24161083ECCBA60E1EEB26EC BC42

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51702298.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=0F8D621860976D575C1DEBAE60627E53781CF461BB66 06AD

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51702037.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=0F8D621860976D57D3A04CD21980325A781CF461BB66 06AD

hedonist
01-07-2006, 01:40 AM
BB, the two racquets in the first picture have 16x18 string pattern. Federer's racquet sometimes has 16x18 and sometimes has 16x19 string pattern!

BreakPoint
01-07-2006, 01:51 AM
hedonist, you're right!! I guess he switches around depending on the surface and/or conditions?

BreakPoint
01-07-2006, 02:01 AM
PrestigeClassic,
Have you ever played with those HPS 6.0 85's? I was wondering if it's just a PS 6.0 85 Original with the HPS paintjob or is it really a HPS 6.0 85? Meaning is it different from the PS 6.0 85 Original just like the HPS 6.0 95 Tour is different from the PS 6.0 95 Original? That is, does the HPS 6.0 85 paintjob version also have HyperCarbon in the hoop (or elsewhere) to stiffen the racquet? Are the weight and balance the same as the Original version? Are the other specs identical or different?
Thanks.

La Bomba
01-07-2006, 02:05 AM
I counted the crosses a few times on the last image to make sure i wasnt misleading lol but yeh i do think it is 16x18.

didier
01-07-2006, 03:20 AM
correct me if i'm wrong but someone said that this is a PS 60 95 with a 6.1 paintjob.

but

this racket has a beamwidth of 22 mm (some german website says so, they still sell the it to) where the PS 60 95 has a beamwidth of 20 mm. (TW website)

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 07:39 AM
BreakPoint,

No, I don't mind much. But to clarrify, these 6.0 85 probably couldn't have been Federer's originally. First of all, when Federer used the 6.0 85 with Hyper cosmetic, he used only the cosmetic with silver squares at 10/2, not yellow. The pictures where you see Federer flossing the yellow squares are from when he started using his custom Tour 90. While the 6.0 85 is a dinosaur, any sponsored player could have gotten the frames.

I've never heard of a Hyper 6.0 85 frame, but I think I saw some such for sale from Japan. They had basically the same black paintjobs as the regular 6.0 85.

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 07:42 AM
correct me if i'm wrong but someone said that this is a PS 60 95 with a 6.1 paintjob.

but

this racket has a beamwidth of 22 mm (some german website says so, they still sell the it to) where the PS 60 95 has a beamwidth of 20 mm. (TW website)

Yikes. You're welcome to look over this thread now.

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 07:49 AM
PrestigeClassic where did u get those PS 6.0 85 with hps cosmetic? Have you sold them?

They were a pro's. No, I still have them.

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 07:53 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federer.jpg

Keifers
01-07-2006, 09:32 AM
BB, the two racquets in the first picture have 16x18 string pattern. Federer's racquet sometimes has 16x18 and sometimes has 16x19 string pattern!
You're right, some of the pics show 16x18 and some show 16x19. I suspect the 16x18 frames are the 6.0 85 and the 16x19 frames are the Tour 90 -- based on the indentations where the throat pieces meet the head: 16x18 has no indentations, 16x19 has them.

Also, the 16x19 string pattern looks very similar to the pattern on the PS Tour 90 -- 5 crosses in the PWS areas. So I would speculate that these are Tour 90s or Tour 90 prototypes. As we know, Fed later went to 16x19 with more evenly spaced crosses, his current setup.

Anyone agree?

(BreakPoint, great selection of pics. Thanks.)

Keifers
01-07-2006, 09:52 AM
BreakPoint,

No, I don't mind much. But to clarrify, these 6.0 85 probably couldn't have been Federer's originally. First of all, when Federer used the 6.0 85 with Hyper cosmetic, he used only the cosmetic with silver squares at 10/2, not yellow. The pictures where you see Federer flossing the yellow squares are from when he started using his custom Tour 90. While the 6.0 85 is a dinosaur, any sponsored player could have gotten the frames.

I've never heard of a Hyper 6.0 85 frame, but I think I saw some such for sale from Japan. They had basically the same black paintjobs as the regular 6.0 85.
PrestigeClassic, I just re-read your post more carefully, and yes, in the pics the 16x18 frames have the silver squares, and the 16x19 frames have the yellow ones. To my eye, the 16x19/yellows look to have a larger head size as well.

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 11:47 AM
You're right, some of the pics show 16x18 and some show 16x19. I suspect the 16x18 frames are the 6.0 85 and the 16x19 frames are the Tour 90 -- based on the indentations where the throat pieces meet the head: 16x18 has no indentations, 16x19 has them.

Also, the 16x19 string pattern looks very similar to the pattern on the PS Tour 90 -- 5 crosses in the PWS areas. So I would speculate that these are Tour 90s or Tour 90 prototypes. As we know, Fed later went to 16x19 with more evenly spaced crosses, his current setup.

Anyone agree?

(BreakPoint, great selection of pics. Thanks.)

Great observation.

Looking at Getty Images, the last picture of Federer with the Hyper cosmetic was from 29 March 2003:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federerhyperlast.jpg

The funny thing is, Federer went straight from what looked like a custom/prototype mold to what looks like a stock Tour 90, complete with stock string pattern. First picture of Tour 90 cosmetic (stock), from 1 May 2003:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federertour90first.jpg

More clear picture, from 3 May 2003:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federertour90clear.jpg

Federer apparently played the stock Tour 90 through the 2003 French Open. In time for the grass court season, Federer made the switch from a stock Tour 90 (back?) to the custom mold, complete with his own pattern. At this time, Federer also switched to the newer Tour 90 cosmetic (large silver "Wilson" on throat), which corresponded with Wilson's change on their retail Tour 90 frames at the time.

PrestigeClassic
01-07-2006, 11:49 AM
Just another picture that I saw on Getty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federerkickass.jpg

La Bomba
01-07-2006, 02:55 PM
Good pics PrestigeClassic, if anyone wants to head over to genereal pro player discussion, i have made a thread a couple of months with fed and his tour 90 comparing it to his custom racquet. Heres the link
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=77190&highlight=tour+90

BreakPoint
01-07-2006, 06:32 PM
BreakPoint,

No, I don't mind much. But to clarrify, these 6.0 85 probably couldn't have been Federer's originally. First of all, when Federer used the 6.0 85 with Hyper cosmetic, he used only the cosmetic with silver squares at 10/2, not yellow. The pictures where you see Federer flossing the yellow squares are from when he started using his custom Tour 90. While the 6.0 85 is a dinosaur, any sponsored player could have gotten the frames.

I've never heard of a Hyper 6.0 85 frame, but I think I saw some such for sale from Japan. They had basically the same black paintjobs as the regular 6.0 85.

Thanks PC,

Actually, I didn't mean to imply that those two HPS 6.0 85 paintjobs were the ACTUAL racquets that Federer used, but just that it was a paintjob of a PS 6.0 85, which is what we presume Federer used.

So I guess what you're saying is that these are in fact, real PS 6.0 85 Originals but only with a HPS 6.1 paintjob, right? Underneath the paint, it should have the identical specs to a stock black PS 6.0 85 Original, right? So there's no HyperCarbon in it whatsoever.

Yes, I also saw those pics of the HPS 6.0 85 with the almost same PS 6.0 85 Original black paintjob sold in Japan. I wonder if THOSE actually have any HyperCarbon in them? :confused:

BreakPoint
01-07-2006, 06:37 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federer.jpg

Actually, doesn't that pic show he's using a 16x18 with a yellow square? (My computer is on the fritz so I'm using a laptop with a messed up screen so the colors are all wrong so I could be wrong).

PrestigeClassic
01-08-2006, 05:59 AM
Thanks PC,

Actually, I didn't mean to imply that those two HPS 6.0 85 paintjobs were the ACTUAL racquets that Federer used, but just that it was a paintjob of a PS 6.0 85, which is what we presume Federer used.

So I guess what you're saying is that these are in fact, real PS 6.0 85 Originals but only with a HPS 6.1 paintjob, right? Underneath the paint, it should have the identical specs to a stock black PS 6.0 85 Original, right? So there's no HyperCarbon in it whatsoever.

Yes, I also saw those pics of the HPS 6.0 85 with the almost same PS 6.0 85 Original black paintjob sold in Japan. I wonder if THOSE actually have any HyperCarbon in them? :confused:

Yes, the frame is the 6.0 85, and the paintjob is of the HPS 6.0, not 6.1. But since there was otherwise no such HPS 6.0 85, subtle changes had to be made to the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob: there is a yellow "MIDSIZE" at six o'clock instead of "MIDPLUS," and of course, the size of the main decals had to be tweaked. It is also sort of neat to have a see-through throat area like on the real HPS 6.0 95.

Actually, doesn't that pic show he's using a 16x18 with a yellow square? (My computer is on the fritz so I'm using a laptop with a messed up screen so the colors are all wrong so I could be wrong).

On this seemingly 6.0 85, the squares are silver, unlike the "Hyper" at 3 o'clock, which is yellow.

kreative
01-08-2006, 07:03 AM
Just another picture that I saw on Getty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/mmmmmilk/federerkickass.jpg

Hey, is that a western grip he's using?

hedonist
01-09-2006, 04:37 AM
Another picture. IMO his racquet has more than 85sq.in.

[img=http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5050/federer9cd.th.jpg] (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=federer9cd.jpg)

krackerjack50
01-11-2006, 07:47 AM
I've got a couple of HPS 6.0 95's and I can't tell the difference in playablity as compared to a PS 6.0 95. Maybe I'm just not good enough to tell the difference, but I'd swear they are the same racquet...

PrestigeClassic
01-15-2006, 05:44 PM
BreakPoint, I found a couple more pictures of a pro using what appears to be a 6.0 95: Getty Images Images #55806478, 55806479. Looks kind of thin like an 85 in the first, but like an 95 in the second. Pretty shoddy pics.

Keiltimall
01-15-2006, 09:08 PM
I have a question for anyone. Are there any other player's frames that you would recommend (90si<) that are currently available on the market?

Have you tried the Yonex MP Tour 1 ? Is that good?

How does the MP Tour1 compare to the RDX 500 90si?

Is the MP Tour basically play like a super powerful Wilson nSixOne Tour 90?

Lastly, is the PS 6.0 85 the ultimate purist's frame?

The thing is, I want to try out the frames that real pros use to check out and see what it takes for the pros to utilize such difficult frames. It would also be good for training for accurate ball contact in the sweetspot. Many thanks in advanced.

Keiltimall
01-15-2006, 10:49 PM
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BreakPoint
01-15-2006, 10:58 PM
BreakPoint, I found a couple more pictures of a pro using what appears to be a 6.0 95: Getty Images Images #55806478, 55806479. Looks kind of thin like an 85 in the first, but like an 95 in the second. Pretty shoddy pics.

Yeah, that certainly looks like a HPS 6.0 95 Tour, if not a PS 6.0 95 with a HPS paintjob. But if you look at the date, it says Jan. 9, 2003, and back then there were more pros using either real HPS 6.0 95 Tours or PS 6.0 95's with HPS 6.0 95 paintjobs. I mean. as we now know, Federer used a PS 6.0 85 with the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob in '02 and the early part of '03, before he switched to the Tour 90 in the spring of '03.

BTW, isn't Michael Russell the guy that almost took out Guga at the French Open several years ago? Or maybe he beat him?

PrestigeClassic
01-16-2006, 10:48 AM
Yeah, that certainly looks like a HPS 6.0 95 Tour, if not a PS 6.0 95 with a HPS paintjob. But if you look at the date, it says Jan. 9, 2003, and back then there were more pros using either real HPS 6.0 95 Tours or PS 6.0 95's with HPS 6.0 95 paintjobs. I mean. as we now know, Federer used a PS 6.0 85 with the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob in '02 and the early part of '03, before he switched to the Tour 90 in the spring of '03.

BTW, isn't Michael Russell the guy that almost took out Guga at the French Open several years ago? Or maybe he beat him?

Yes, that's him. He was also one win away from meeting Roddick in this year's Australian Open. Who knows about the frame in the photo, but Russell has had the Pro Staff 6.0 95 with Hyper paintjob before. He has since gone back to the Prestige Classic, as when he played Guga at the French.

I mentioned Russell because he's like the third pro--plus one college player--we've found that has used the Pro Staff 6.0 95 in some form (extended), if only for a couple of years (and not the best years of one's particular career either).

More pros, you say? Name them. As for Federer, he has never used a 95 in competition.

BreakPoint
01-16-2006, 11:39 AM
More pros, you say? Name them. As for Federer, he has never used a 95 in competition.

Well, you'd probably have to go back to the mid to late '90's to find many more pros using the PS 6.0 95 (true of the PS 6.0 85 as well). But even today, the fact that Wilson even bothers to make paintjobs of the PS 6.0 95 with HPS 6.0 95 Tour, PS Tour 95, and now nCode nSix-One 95 paintjobs at all tells me that there are many more pros, college players, and maybe even juniors using these than just the 2 or 3 low ranked pros and one college player that we've been able to name so far. I mean there are thousands of even lower ranked pros and tens of thousands of college and junior players out there, so who knows. I would say that just about every pro, college, or junior player that is sponsored by Wilson and uses a racquet that looks like a nCode Six-One 95 or Tour is a suspect for using a PS 6.0 95 with a paintjob, since we know that Wilson does indeed make and distribute them.

BTW, I NEVER said that Federer used a 95. I said he used a PS 6.0 85 with a HPS 6.0 95 paintjob. It has to be the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob because the HPS 6.0 85 (red and yellow) didn't really exist except as a paintjob of a PS 6.0 85, so it was never a retail racquet like the HPS 6.0 95 was. Remember, that companies will only use the paintjobs of retail racquets that customers can actually buy. I mean that's the whole point of making pros use paintjobs, right?

Anyway, I really don't care if any pros use the PS 6.0 95 or not (nor any other racquet for that matter). I use whatever works for me. If a frying pan works best for me, that's what I'll use, even if no pro has ever touched a frying pan. Who cares what the pros use? Just like I don't really care what kind of car professional race car drivers drive. I buy the car that works for me. :D

Stan
06-25-2006, 12:45 PM
Too bad this racquet (HPS 6.0) is no longer available. It played nicely.