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BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Well, I've seen Baghdatis' last three matches and I still can't seem to pinpoint exactly what makes this guy so good and able to beat top ranked players? Yes, he's got a pretty good serve and pretty good groundies but he'll also often hit tons of first serves into the middle of the net or make unforced errors on relatively easy shots. He also rarely attacks the net even though sometimes he's given the opportunity to do so on a silver platter. Most of his shots also don't seem to be hit with a ton of pace nor spin, like Federer's. Thus, his game is sort of an enigma to me. :confused:

With Federer, for example, you can clearly point out what makes him so good. Incredible forehand, great backhand, lots of variety, all-court game, good volleyer, excellent serve, incredible footwork and movement, use of lots of spin, great court sense and anticipation, etc., etc. With Baghdatis, it's not as easy to figure out.

Any ideas?

(BTW, some people here have called Baghdatis, the new Marcelo Rios. That may be true, because to tell you the truth, I could never figure out what made Rios so good and able to beat the top players and become #1, either. :confused: So maybe it's the same with Baghdatis?)

@wright
01-26-2006, 01:22 PM
I guess he's somewhat like a Rios with less mystique and not quite as much artistry. I think his game just isn't as natural and sublime as Rios, not to take anything from Marcos. On to his strengths: he fights for the point and usually doesn't seem to get mentally tired in tough situations (like 5 set matches he is 6-0 - that is BIG, and comebacks), he is fast and has incredible on the run shots. His serve is big enough to get some free points, he out-aced Roddick and got many of Roddick's bombs back in play (which bring us to his next strength). His return is great, it has to be almost on the Hewitt level. He is great at putting the short ball away, too. He can hit the ball relatively flat to hit penetrating winners from the baseline, unlike Roddick's slow, loopy blasts. I'm watching the Nalbo match again right now at work and I just saw him hit another clean return winner - can't overstress the return. He also mixes it up fairly well with varying spins and paces. I think I covered most of it except for his great court sense. That's where Rios comes in. I guess I'd describe him as a poor man's Federer - yeah, that's it!

ACE of Hearts
01-26-2006, 01:23 PM
What makes him so good is the wife he is banging every night:mrgreen:

@wright
01-26-2006, 01:25 PM
Whose wife would that be, do you mean to tell me he is cheating on his girlfriend?

ACE of Hearts
01-26-2006, 01:26 PM
His gf, probably future wife.

xanctus
01-26-2006, 01:27 PM
LMAO...about that sexual related thing here.... :D:D:D

ACE of Hearts
01-26-2006, 01:29 PM
In all seriousness, i agree with the poor man's Fed, his forehand is pretty good, i will say its stronger then Roddick's forehand.I am sure the crowd will be pulling for him in the final.

rmsblue
01-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Baghdatis is the next Grosjean. Pretty solid player good enough to go very deep in some slams but take out those thick legs (for chasing down shots and for umph on the serve) becomes a "mere" Top 30 pro.

jhhachamp
01-26-2006, 02:27 PM
Baghdatis is the next Grosjean. Pretty solid player good enough to go very deep in some slams but take out those thick legs (for chasing down shots and for umph on the serve) becomes a "mere" Top 30 pro.

He has already gotten farther than Grosjean ever has in a Grand Slam. I think he will have a much more successful career than Grosjean.

austro
01-26-2006, 02:39 PM
What amazed me th emost when watching him play was his ability to play winners even when he was totally stretched and basically just retrieving. While almost at the floor, he would for example hit a BH dropshot just behind the net. If the other player would even get it, Bags would already be there for a flat DTL.

I think it is the combination of great control (a low number of UE), good serves, good imagination and anticipation together with his hunger to win and his endurance that make him so good. Also, he seems to choke the least of all the players, Fed excepted.

ATXtennisaddict
01-26-2006, 02:39 PM
If I were banging a girl like his I'd be in the final of a GS too!

VolklVenom
01-26-2006, 02:40 PM
he does have a solid serve/return and runs like hell, but he's greatest asset is his ability to absorb pressure.
He shows great maturity for a 20 yr old.
He talks to the crowd when facing defeat in the eyes; calms down his fans, truely amazing.
I've never seen anybody talk to the crowd like that. He just seems to shrug pressure aside.
At one stage he was facing a break point, only to smile and have a quick word to someone in the crowd.
He just goes out and has fun. What energy!

Shabazza
01-26-2006, 02:43 PM
What amazed me th emost when watching him play was his ability to play winners even when he was totally stretched and basically just retrieving. While almost at the floor, he would for example hit a BH dropshot just behind the net. If the other player would even get it, Bags would already be there for a flat DTL.

I think it is the combination of great control (a low number of UE), good serves, good imagination and anticipation together with his hunger to win and his endurance that make him so good. Also, he seems to choke the least of all the players, Fed excepted.
I second that!
+ as @wright mentioned, his superb return game

VolklVenom
01-26-2006, 02:44 PM
when a play hits a dropshot at a critical phase of a game, that is nothing more than a fancy, cheeky shot, and loses the point, then that shows that he is really relaxed out there and totally unphased by the occasion.
Big components required in being the best.

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 02:50 PM
If I were banging a girl like his I'd be in the final of a GS too!

I wouldn't have any energy left to play tennis, let alone two straight 5 setters. ;) LOL.

GRANITECHIEF
01-26-2006, 02:54 PM
MB's backhand looks very very similar to Agassi to me, he can even take it fairly early. His forehand is very explosive where he can generate super pace, like Fed. Combine that with a very good serve/return game and super foot speed and its not hard to see why he's in the finals.

VGP
01-26-2006, 02:54 PM
From what I can tell, he just plays relatively clean aggressive tennis. He's got good court sense.

He serves good enough (although his 1st serve % hasn't been great), his second serve seems to be very heavy and not easily attackable. Plus he returns well.

He hits big enough off the ground. He's got good balance and a good transitional game from back to front. He shrinks the court. Plus his winners-unforced differential has been big in the positive of some of his matches (Federer-like numbers).

The biggest thing I can see is that he avoids the choke. When things get tight, he just plays great. Even I can feel the tension watching on tv, but Baghdatis comes up big on the important points. This tournament, he hasn't gotten down on himself even in long matches (6-0 in five setters now).

ACE of Hearts
01-26-2006, 02:59 PM
Bags will be pumped up, i dont know if he will be overwhelmed.I expect a battle.

Moose Malloy
01-26-2006, 03:02 PM
Is he 6-0 in five setters? I can only find 4 five setters listed at atptennis.

Shabazza
01-26-2006, 03:03 PM
Is he 6-0 in five setters? I can only find 4 five setters listed at atptennis.
yep he's 6:0

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 03:04 PM
Is he 6-0 in five setters? I can only find 4 five setters listed at atptennis.

He just added two more this week at the AO in his last two matches.

pound cat
01-26-2006, 03:06 PM
Innate court sense...you either have it or you don''t. Federer does too.

Moose Malloy
01-26-2006, 03:08 PM
I know about the 3 five setters this week & the five setter at last year Aussie Open. I couldn't find the other 2 on the atp website, but found them at itf. Check out the scoring used in these davis cup matches from '01(not sure if they should count to his record)

Arnaud SEGODO (BEN) 3-5 5-4(7) 2-4 4-1 4-2
Noureddine MAHMOUDI (ALG) 5-3 4-1 1-4 1-4 4-2

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=30021121

Shabazza
01-26-2006, 03:15 PM
I know about the 3 five setters this week & the five setter at last year Aussie Open. I couldn't find the other 2 on the atp website, but found them at itf. Check out the scoring used in these davis cup matches from '01(not sure if they should count to his record)

Arnaud SEGODO (BEN) 3-5 5-4(7) 2-4 4-1 4-2
Noureddine MAHMOUDI (ALG) 5-3 4-1 1-4 1-4 4-2

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=30021121
It doesn't matter if they play "first to 4" or "first to 6", for me they are 5 setter and still count.

pound cat
01-26-2006, 03:15 PM
He's got enough guts to make a million sausages.

And closes out sets and matches as it they were games.

fastdunn
01-26-2006, 04:16 PM
This guy is born with great court sense and natural foot work.

I don't think Federer's talents were that clear (except forehand)
when he broke out the scene. Federer also born with court sense
and magical hand.

I don't think Baghdatis(spelled right?) hits many handsy shots like
Federer often magically escapes pressured situation. But I think
Baghdatis is more athletic mover. Federer is astute mover with
unreal ability to anticipate. But I think Baghdatis' court movement
is more explosive and natural.

I have seen only couple of Baghdatis matches but I would expect
Baghdatis would hit better forehand than Federer when they are
on the run (when stretched pretty wide..)



Well, I've seen Baghdatis' last three matches and I still can't seem to pinpoint exactly what makes this guy so good and able to beat top ranked players? Yes, he's got a pretty good serve and pretty good groundies but he'll also often hit tons of first serves into the middle of the net or make unforced errors on relatively easy shots. He also rarely attacks the net even though sometimes he's given the opportunity to do so on a silver platter. Most of his shots also don't seem to be hit with a ton of pace nor spin, like Federer's. Thus, his game is sort of an enigma to me. :confused:

With Federer, for example, you can clearly point out what makes him so good. Incredible forehand, great backhand, lots of variety, all-court game, good volleyer, excellent serve, incredible footwork and movement, use of lots of spin, great court sense and anticipation, etc., etc. With Baghdatis, it's not as easy to figure out.

Any ideas?

(BTW, some people here have called Baghdatis, the new Marcelo Rios. That may be true, because to tell you the truth, I could never figure out what made Rios so good and able to beat the top players and become #1, either. :confused: So maybe it's the same with Baghdatis?)

D-man
01-26-2006, 04:20 PM
he's just seems really hyped up lots of mental energy but i'm not sure how long it will last after this slam

ohplease
01-26-2006, 04:21 PM
This guy is born with great court sense and natural foot work.

I don't think Federer's talents were that clear (except forehand)
when he broke out the scene. Federer also born with court sense
and magical hand.

I don't think Baghdatis(spelled right?) hits many handsy shots like
Federer often magically escapes pressured situation. But I think
Baghdatis is more athletic mover. Federer is astute mover with
unreal ability to anticipate. But I think Baghdatis' court movement
is more explosive and natural.

Ding ding ding. Rios, Hingis, Marcos, Donald Young - and to a lesser extent Federer - all win with court sense.

If you can't figure out what these players do right, then you're probably placing WAY too much importance on strokes.

akj27
01-26-2006, 04:22 PM
His ability to play big points.

timmyboy
01-26-2006, 04:23 PM
What makes him so good is the wife he is banging every night:mrgreen:
i know! how'd an ugly guy like that hook up with such a hot chick?! but she's so unemotional though during match play. she just stares and rarely stands up and applauds. like Safin's girl.

MasterTS
01-26-2006, 04:23 PM
If I were banging a girl like his I'd be in the final of a GS too!


Hmm does that mean I should be in the slam finals?...:p

Vanderwhosincrusinshaggin
01-26-2006, 04:23 PM
What makes Marcos Baghdatis so good?

I think it's his beard that does it.

pound cat
01-26-2006, 04:24 PM
He's got a lot of good stuff going on.

pound cat
01-26-2006, 04:29 PM
I've bet on him all along....I know a winner........Ms. Rich woman/////LOL

= marios =
01-26-2006, 04:35 PM
What makes Marcos Baghdatis so good?

I think it's his beard that does it.

Yes, he's like Sampson...but down under.

Seriously though, to me it looks to be a case of comitting less unforced errors than the opponent. He can handle pressure. He is willing to sweat and bleed for a ball. And he has a killer backhand return. It worked on Roddick's big serves, it worked on Ljubo's big serves and it worked on Nalby's big serves.

But you got to give it to the guy. To be down 2-0 and win it takes serious guts! When was the last time anyone did something like that in a Grand Slam semifinal?!

dennis1188
01-26-2006, 04:42 PM
Bags, has a good attitude (a good tennis role model),no excuses,honest enjoyment for the game, plenty of guts and of course the talent. BTW her amazing bright, blue/violet eyes, camille, doesn't seem to blink when on camera.

dmastous
01-26-2006, 04:43 PM
I think I'd like to see him a few more months before I annoit him The Next Big Thing. Yes, he's had a fantastic tournament. He's beaten some very high quality players (Roddick detractors aside).
He has a very fluid game. I think the court sense is a good point and very important to his success this month. He also has very good hand-eye-coordination. His ability to hit amazing shots on the dead run is similar to Federer as well. But is he this good on a normal basis, or is he seeing the ball like a beach ball right now, and in a really good groove. Let's see if he can sustain this kind of play for a few tournaments. If he can he will be top 5. If not he will be top 50.

= marios =
01-26-2006, 04:52 PM
All this excitement over Marcos is good now, but give it a few months and if he doesn't do well in the next couple of Grand Slams everyone will rush to call him overhyped and his a AO success a mere fluke.

Hopefully, that won't happen, but unless Marcos continues to impress wherever he plays it seems inevitable. Shame.

Phil
01-26-2006, 04:56 PM
He may just be having a nice run; the "new" guy who beats a couple top players and gets to the finals, generates some excitement, only to fall back, hard to reality. Think Nalbandian at Wimbledon and Blake and Ginepri last year, or Johansson a couple years ago at the USO.

I think that BECAUSE he doesn't have the big offensive weapons, and relys on speed and heart, that he'll NOT be the multiple Majors winner and GOAT that everyone around here, it seems, is predicting. This is the typical TW overenthusiasm for a new face-most of those faces fade real fast when they realize just what they're up against.

PM_
01-26-2006, 04:58 PM
Baghdatis laid a trap and Nalbandian fell in it.
He did the same to Ljub and Roddick by luring them into a false sense of confidence and then raising the level of his game. If he played with the same intensity from the beginning of all those matches, then his opponents would have ingested enough time to adapt to his style and weapons.

Remember, he didn’t show the down the line BH he finished Roddick off with to Nalbandian until later into the match. His serve too.

Might have been a tactic his coach suggested him.

dmastous
01-26-2006, 05:02 PM
Baghdatis laid a trap and Nalbandian fell in it.
He did the same to Ljub and Roddick by luring them into a false sense of confidence and then raising the level of his game. If he played with the same intensity from the beginning of all those matches, then his opponents would have ingested enough time to adapt to his style and weapons.

Remember, he didnít show the down the line BH he finished Roddick off with to Nalbandian until later into the match. His serve too.

Might have been a tactic his coach suggested him.
If this is the case then he will not last. Because players will no longer take him for granted when they get up on him. But this rope-a-dope thing is not the best way to approach a match. I wouldn't recommend it as a tactic.

Marius_Hancu
01-26-2006, 05:03 PM
he knows how to "play" the game and enjoys it in the process.

also, he has good hands and sense of the court.

this is enough in today's tennis, where many players are just heavy bashers.

but there are indeed some possible parallels with Federer and Rios ...

rfprse
01-26-2006, 05:05 PM
Good shot maker + good court sense & game sense + free spirit at shot selection (without being a nut).
Now what's missing is a better fitness. I thought he couldn't come through this much with his fitness but it's a pleasant surprise.
I can't wait for the fun match with Federer.

fastdunn
01-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Baghdatis's footwork seems to be underrated.
It looks somewhat laid-back but his is prime example of natural
footwork of someone who is born with...

PM_
01-26-2006, 05:12 PM
I think you would call Baghdatis a "hustler" in today's times.
The heavy breathing, crouching down, looking up and questioning the heavens in act of hopelessness-he got everyone.

He's a boxer who saved his best for last.
Remember Nalbandian as he rolled into the third. He was on such a high. He thought he waltzing into the finals, and each time he went up a break or two, Bags quietly closed the gap. Made Nal feel like he was just hanging on.

Tell me, if this guy was so exhausted, where did all that energy come near the end all of a sudden? Was he thinking of the reward his girl would give him if he'd win-heck no! He was saving it in disguise.

But you're right dmastous. He won't be putting anyone on the next time.
Next time, Roddick and Nalbandian will seal the hatch and finish him off when they have the lead and it's bye bye Bags.

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 05:26 PM
Baghdatis laid a trap and Nalbandian fell in it.
He did the same to Ljub and Roddick by luring them into a false sense of confidence and then raising the level of his game. If he played with the same intensity from the beginning of all those matches, then his opponents would have ingested enough time to adapt to his style and weapons.

Remember, he didnít show the down the line BH he finished Roddick off with to Nalbandian until later into the match. His serve too.

Might have been a tactic his coach suggested him.

You may be right, PM. For the first couple of sets I was wondering why Bag kept hitting all of his backhands crosscourt when Nalby was standing in his ad corner and leaving a hole the size of Texas down the line? Nalby was just begging for him to hit one down the line which Bag just never did, however tempting it looked. That may have fooled Nalby into thinking that Bag didn't have that shot so played his game as if he didn't. Then later in the match, Bag brings out the DTL BH and catches Nalby flatfooted on the most critical points. Hmmm...maybe it WAS planned after all?

That gives me an idea. Perhaps I should try double faulting on all of my serves in the 1st set and then once my opponent sits down on the baseline and relaxes whenever I serve in the 2nd set, I can bring out the heater and ace him every time? Just might work. ;) LOL.

rfprse
01-26-2006, 05:37 PM
hmm... hustler Baghdatis...interesting.
I thought he came to the match with a bad game plan (probably thinking that he could match Nalbadian's grinding with his own) or the occasion was just too big for him to play his game for the first two sets. Then after losing two he just let go and play more his own style.
But still interesting,... maybe you guys give him too much credit about his guile.

= marios =
01-26-2006, 05:46 PM
Another important factor is his die-hard fans. Surely when you have such wonderful support you could never just give up.

I've been told that the last time a player got such an enthusiastic (and so football-like) support from his fans was 30 years ago, when Adriano Panatta won Roland Garros and his Italian fans took over the stands shouting OLE! OLE! after every point.

Tennis needs some wild fans every now and then. It shouldn't be a country club sport. Get some blood sweat and tears into it i say!

MARK ANDERS
01-26-2006, 05:54 PM
The fear that if he loses he'll probably lose the hottest piece of a@@ he'll ever get! They don't get much hotter than her, anywhere!

PM_
01-26-2006, 06:07 PM
You may be right, PM. For the first couple of sets I was wondering why Bag kept hitting all of his backhands crosscourt when Nalby was standing in his ad corner and leaving a hole the size of Texas down the line? Nalby was just begging for him to hit one down the line which Bag just never did, however tempting it looked. That may have fooled Nalby into thinking that Bag didn't have that shot so played his game as if he didn't. Then later in the match, Bag brings out the DTL BH and catches Nalby flatfooted on the most critical points. Hmmm...maybe it WAS planned after all?

That gives me an idea. Perhaps I should try double faulting on all of my serves in the 1st set and then once my opponent sits down on the baseline and relaxes whenever I serve in the 2nd set, I can bring out the heater and ace him every time? Just might work. ;) LOL.
LOL that'd be funny but I'd don't think he'd have a seat.

Guys, think about it. When I saw Baghdatis in the first set he might have fooled me for a rec player if i didn't know who he was. His legs were straight and close together, there was no emotion even as his crowed continued their usual chants, he kept looking over at his coach and g/f in disbelief.
As he was trying to fool the world into believing he didn't have it that night.

And remember Nalbandian. How he just kept his composure after losing the third, then the fourth. He hinted at times he was gonna smash his racquet but he doesn't. B/c he was still believing Bags didn't have enough game to finish it. And then the dagger.

If there's any player that's shown to lose interest during a match, it's Federer. This final should be interesting if Bags should try to pull this crap again. But I think once he realizes the gig, Fed put a stop to the show!:cool:

Phil
01-26-2006, 06:15 PM
Another important factor is his die-hard fans. Surely when you have such wonderful support you could never just give up.

I've been told that the last time a player got such an enthusiastic (and so football-like) support from his fans was 30 years ago, when Adriano Panatta won Roland Garros and his Italian fans took over the stands shouting OLE! OLE! after every point.

Tennis needs some wild fans every now and then. It shouldn't be a country club sport. Get some blood sweat and tears into it i say!

No, actually tennis doesn't need boorish, nationalistic idiots with painted faces and waving flags. That is PRECISELY what football is for. I like it as it is, without the screaming idiots. What goes on ON the court is more interesting. Marcos has had a nice run, and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the future, but it would be a shame if he's followed around by an obnoxious rabble and is known more for THEM than for his skills on the court.

= marios =
01-26-2006, 06:21 PM
No, actually tennis doesn't need boorish, nationalistic idiots with painted faces and waving flags. That is PRECISELY what football is for. I like it as it is, without the screaming idiots. What goes on ON the court is more interesting. Marcos has had a nice run, and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the future, but it would be a shame if he's followed around by an obnoxious rabble and is known more for THEM than for his skills on the court.

He's not gonna have a following. This was just a one-off cause Melbourne is filled with Greek/Cypriot immigrants. I doubt he'd get such huge support in France (despite training there for over 7 years), England or the US. So, expect this sort of crowd only when he plays Down Under.

I'm against excessive nationalism as much as the next guy, but sometimes tennis crowds are a total bore. Curling crowds can be more exciting.

tykrum
01-26-2006, 06:22 PM
No, actually tennis doesn't need boorish, nationalistic idiots with painted faces and waving flags. That is PRECISELY what football is for. I like it as it is, without the screaming idiots. What goes on ON the court is more interesting. Marcos has had a nice run, and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the future, but it would be a shame if he's followed around by an obnoxious rabble and is known more for THEM than for his skills on the court.

You've seen the 2001 Wibledon final, right? I don't think that match between Goran and Rafter would be nearly as great without the crazy fans. Also, Davis Cup wouldn't be nearly as exciting, and home court wouldn't matter as much without the enthusiasm. As long as fans don't start yelling during points, etc, I think the added crowd support is great.

donnyz89
01-26-2006, 06:33 PM
I think a lot of us are forgetting the most important aspect of pro tennis and thats mental toughness and consistancy. things we dont see on the court. Maybe thats where he excels like Jensen said.

Phil
01-26-2006, 06:37 PM
You've seen the 2001 Wibledon final, right? I don't think that match between Goran and Rafter would be nearly as great without the crazy fans. Also, Davis Cup wouldn't be nearly as exciting, and home court wouldn't matter as much without the enthusiasm. As long as fans don't start yelling during points, etc, I think the added crowd support is great.

Okay, I think "loud and obnoxious" has its place in tennis, and you named it-Davis Cup. However, even that gets out of hand (e.g. Brazil). But as I said, a football game is a better crowd opportunity. I kind of like the enforced silence of tennis-I like hearing the ball struck. I don't like screaming idiots-that's just a personal quirk that I have to deal with.

Marios - I agree with you; good post.

hyperwarrior
01-26-2006, 06:39 PM
No, actually tennis doesn't need boorish, nationalistic idiots with painted faces and waving flags. That is PRECISELY what football is for. I like it as it is, without the screaming idiots. What goes on ON the court is more interesting. Marcos has had a nice run, and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the future, but it would be a shame if he's followed around by an obnoxious rabble and is known more for THEM than for his skills on the court.

I agree with Phil and I lie if I said his fans isn't annoying at all!
Am I the only member who is bothered by his fans when watching a tennis matches?

But it is a great run for Baghdatis.

Grinder
01-26-2006, 06:59 PM
S T R E N G T H S
*Solid Return
*Great fitness and mental toughness
*Good placement on groundstrokes
*Ability to regularly produce on the run winners
*Likes to play offensively, but patiently grinds out points before he waits to attack
*A serve that go as high as 135 MPH
*Big and versatile forehand
*Good backhand down the line
*Can change shot direction quickly
*Feeds well off the crowd

W E A K N E S S E S
*Inconsistency
*Sometimes goes for stupid shots
*Goes for style points when a better shot could be taken
*Goes on streaks where he can play terrible tennis for 2-3 months

jhhachamp
01-26-2006, 07:09 PM
Hmm does that mean I should be in the slam finals?...:p

No, blow up dolls don't count...

ohplease
01-26-2006, 08:17 PM
He may just be having a nice run; the "new" guy who beats a couple top players and gets to the finals, generates some excitement, only to fall back, hard to reality. Think Nalbandian at Wimbledon and Blake and Ginepri last year, or Johansson a couple years ago at the USO.

Poor choice of examples. Blake and Ginepri at last year's USO? Sure. I don't remember Nalbandian getting much hype at all when he made the final at Wimbledon (in fact, I think the reaction in that case was more along the lines of Filipe Dewulf - i.e. "who's this guy?"). Johansson's story is about injury at the moment.

Marcos scalped two top 5 players. That's a big deal. He'll scalp three if he wins the whole thing (which probably won't happen, but still). Chang's 1989 French? Two top 5 players. Sampras 1990 USO? Two top 5 players. Near as I can tell, the only guy to ever do it was Stich in 1991, at Wimbledon (Courier #4, Edberg #2, Becker #1).

ACE of Hearts
01-26-2006, 08:34 PM
His girl aint going anywhere, not with the the big paper that Bags will get in this Aussie Open.Even if he loses in the final, he is getting a big pay check.I am sure his girl is salivating over that, money hungry *****

BaseLineBash
01-26-2006, 08:42 PM
He doesn't give a ****, thats his secret weapon.

Phil
01-26-2006, 08:48 PM
Poor choice of examples. Blake and Ginepri at last year's USO? Sure. I don't remember Nalbandian getting much hype at all when he made the final at Wimbledon (in fact, I think the reaction in that case was more along the lines of Filipe Dewulf - i.e. "who's this guy?"). Johansson's story is about injury at the moment.

Marcos scalped two top 5 players. That's a big deal. He'll scalp three if he wins the whole thing (which probably won't happen, but still). Chang's 1989 French? Two top 5 players. Sampras 1990 USO? Two top 5 players. Near as I can tell, the only guy to ever do it was Stich in 1991, at Wimbledon (Courier #4, Edberg #2, Becker #1).

Excitement (my word) doesn't necessarily equal hype. How about: a guy who hasn't done anything or else is so young that he's coming out of no where, to make a good, EXCITING but ultimately failed run? Johansson, injured or not, isn't going to do anything-too big, too awkward, too one-dimensional with a 1-handed backhand that makes Greg Rusedski's look like Guga's. And yet, when he beat defending champion Roddick in 2004, he was hailed here as the Second Coming. Not.

Sampras and Chang went on to have long and successful careers-they had to start somewhere, and they're not relevant to my comments. I'm saying that the "excitement" that this guy has generated, though nice, is way out of proportion to the player he is or will probably become. Enthusiasm, giddiness but, ultimately, not grounded in the grim reality of how difficult and grinding the tour actually is. He's not going to have a career like Sampras...Chang, maybe-if he's very, very lucky, good or both.

VolklVenom
01-26-2006, 09:01 PM
i disagree. He is definitely a top 10 player in 18 months.

RiosTheGenius
01-26-2006, 09:17 PM
i was just thinking watching Baghdatis play that I found some similaritieswith Marcelo Rios. they do have a similar sense of court and they move similarly, they even have the same sloppy shaving habits. though I think Baghdatis lacks some things Rios had, Rios was able to read his oponents shots better, he had better hands also I think, and you never knew in what direction he was gonna hit the ball, it was always a last second thing with him and his hands at the net were a bit better, not to mention that his serve was quite a bit better.
but likewise, Baghdatis has things Rios lacked...and I think these things will make his career a more successful one. Marcos is mentally tougher, he doesn't tank matches, he doesn't act like he doesn't care, and ultimately he's a nicier guy, and that alone will bode him well.
by the way.. can anyone tell me how this guy moves on clay??... i've never seen him play on clay. this will IMO determine his future. if he can get ATP points during the clay season I think he can be in the top 10 without a doubt by the end of this year or earlier.

RiosTheGenius
01-26-2006, 09:30 PM
I think this chick looked more like Rios :)

http://www.royalpines.com.au/main/events/uth/StosurBackhand.jpg

Samantha Stosur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/36298000/jpg/_36298074_rios_alls300.jpg

Rios. :)

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 09:42 PM
Johansson, injured or not, isn't going to do anything-too big, too awkward, too one-dimensional with a 1-handed backhand that makes Greg Rusedski's look like Guga's.

Phil,
Have you seen Joachim Johansson play live? I know that they don't televize too many of his matches. I have seen him play live and I can tell you with no BS whatsoever that this guy has a HUGE, I mean HUGE, one-handed backhand. I sat court-side when he played Blake a couple of years ago and he literally made Blake look like a 4.0 player. Johansson blew Blake away 6-4, 6-2. He beat him again a week later, 6-3, 6-3, so it was no fluke. Johansson had the BIGGEST one-handed backhand I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of pro tennis (including Haas live many times). He could crush his one-handed backhand at probably close to 100mph. I agree that, if you're basing your comment on his match against Roddick at the '04 US Open QF, that you didn't get to see much of what he could do with his one-handed backhand since the points with Roddick were so short. But trust me, this guy has a MASSIVE one-handed backhand. (Not sure if he changed his backhand at all when he switched from the i.Prestige to the RDX 500)

Phil
01-26-2006, 09:46 PM
Phil,
Have you seen Joachim Johansson play live? I know that they don't televize too many of his matches. I have seen him play live and I can tell you with no BS whatsoever that this guy has a HUGE, I mean HUGE, one-handed backhand. I sat court-side when he played Blake a couple of years ago and he literally made Blake look like a 4.0 player. Johansson blew Blake away 6-4, 6-2. He beat him again a week later, 6-3, 6-3, so it was no fluke. Johansson had the BIGGEST one-handed backhand I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of pro tennis (including Haas live many times). He could crush his one-handed backhand at probably close to 100mph. I agree that, if you're basing your comment on his match against Roddick at the '04 US Open QF, that you didn't get to see much of what he could do with his one-handed backhand since the points with Roddick were so short. But trust me, this guy has a MASSIVE one-handed backhand. (Not sure if he changed his backhand at all when he switched from the i.Prestige to the RDX 500)
Yeah, right. Must not get to very many pro matches.

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 09:52 PM
Yeah, right. Must not get to very many pro matches.

So I gather that means you have not seen him play live? But you still claim that you've seen his backhand more than I have, although I've sat court-side at several of Johansson's matches? Hmmmmm.......

And if you're referring to me, I've been going to the US Open since the late-'70's, and I also regularly attend other smaller tournaments. And I usually sit court-side for most of the matches that I attend.

AngeloDS
01-26-2006, 10:00 PM
He doesn't use an extreme grip on his forehand and on his backhand he can drive through the ball. His defensive shots are very offensive. His defensive block shots have a lot of power behind them so the players are forced to do more with it. His serve packs heavyness and accuracy. His shots are clean.

Above all he doesn't look like he's ever nervous out there. He does lose his cool but very fast to regain composure and think about the point at hand not the points ahead.

Phil
01-26-2006, 10:07 PM
So I gather that means you have not seen him play live? But you still claim that you've seen his backhand more than I have, although I've sat court-side at several of Johansson's matches? Hmmmmm.......

And if you're referring to me, I've been going to the US Open since the late-'70's, and I also regularly attend other smaller tournaments. And I usually sit court-side for most of the matches that I attend.

I did not claim that I have seen his backhand more than you have...didn't say anything of the sort, but if you can find where I did that, good for you...it ain't there. More lies and distortions from you (you never did post a link wheree I said, according to you, that you post under other user names, now did you?). I don't need to see him "live" to recognize that he's got no b/h. Your "Pride" at seeing this guy play is only slightly more looney than your "pride" in your post count. Now go away, please.

He's got a lousy b/h and that's all there is to it. I'm sure you were one of the cheerleaders in HIS improbable USO run...

alienhamster
01-26-2006, 10:17 PM
S T R E N G T H S
*Solid Return
*Great fitness and mental toughness
*Good placement on groundstrokes
*Ability to regularly produce on the run winners
*Likes to play offensively, but patiently grinds out points before he waits to attack
*A serve that go as high as 135 MPH
*Big and versatile forehand
*Good backhand down the line
*Can change shot direction quickly
*Feeds well off the crowd

W E A K N E S S E S
*Inconsistency
*Sometimes goes for stupid shots
*Goes for style points when a better shot could be taken
*Goes on streaks where he can play terrible tennis for 2-3 months Yeah, I was gonna say changes direction well. Maybe someone else has said this already, too, but he's capable of taking the ball really early, and that really helps his court positioning out.

Safina
01-26-2006, 10:28 PM
Pimpim can crush his backhand... he is strong as an ox. Good form too.. so not sure what phil is talking about. He showed plenty of evidence of this, between his aces, in his 2005 Agassi win and 2004 Roddick win. Once his arm heals up, watch out mr.phil!

ps - i agree win another poster about b-diddy's hitting flatter shots than most of the other pros (because he usually uses less western of a grip)which causes opponents to have less time to get in position and he is able to blast a lot of passing shots by them too. He can roll them with topspin OR blast winners on both sides, which is something Roddick has forgotten how to do.
combine his shotmaking, with 15aces a match, and good mobility and defense... and you have another example of a modern all-court player in the Federer model. His transition from defense to offense is also quite good.. but not quite as good as the Fed.

BreakPoint
01-26-2006, 11:55 PM
I did not claim that I have seen his backhand more than you have...didn't say anything of the sort,

OK, then if you agree that I've seen his backhand more than you have, then don't you think then I have more experience than you in seeing how hard he can hit his backhand?

I don't need to see him "live" to recognize that he's got no b/h.
It certainly helps. Just like when you see Roddick's serve live, it's so much more impressive than on TV. You also need to see more of J. Johansson's matches to see how he can absolutely nail his backhand.


Your "Pride" at seeing this guy play is only slightly more looney than your "pride" in your post count.
"Pride", what "pride"? :confused: Just merely pointing out this guy has a massive backhand. And what pride in my post count are you referring to? I merely pointed it out recently as that was the only way to distinguish my posts from those of my imposter. Now that we have the green colored user names, that won't be necessary. BTW, I don't think I got as much as a thank you from you for hunting down and getting rid of the phoney "Phil" for you. He even stole your avatar and personal info and was likely about to start posting under the name "Phil", like he did under half a dozen other names.

Now go away, please.

Uh...last time I checked, I started this thread. So maybe you're the one that should please leave?

He's got a lousy b/h and that's all there is to it.
OK, whatever you say......... BTW, ask Thomas Enqvist sometime how PimPim hits his backhand, or James Blake for that matter.

Phil
01-27-2006, 12:30 AM
OK, then if you agree that I've seen his backhand more than you have, then don't you think then I have more experience than you in seeing how hard he can hit his backhand?
I've seen him play on TV and a bad backhand, whether viewed live or on TV, is a bad backhand.
BTW, I don't think I got as much as a thank you from you for hunting down and getting rid of the phoney "Phil" for you. He even stole your avatar and personal info and was likely about to start posting under the name "Phil", like he did under half a dozen other names.
That's the second or third time someone has "stolen" my user name-honestly, I don't care. The other "theives" were eventually deleted, as the most recent one would have been, with or without your foolish and hysterical ranting about it on every forum. I would thank you, BP, but I just don't CARE. You're an easy mark for Internet miscreants like this to push your buttons and he obviously succeeded in upsetting you to the point of panic. I hope you're feeling better now.
Uh...last time I checked, I started this thread. So maybe you're the one that should please leave?
Yes, but I would still prefer if you just leave, anyway.
OK, whatever you say......... BTW, ask Thomas Enqvist sometime how PimPim hits his backhand, or James Blake for that matter.
Okay, next time I bump into Thomas or Jim (it's "James" for most people, but Jimmy and I are tight) I'll get the dope on Johansson's b/h, and, of course, let you know what they say.:rolleyes:

Zealisa
01-27-2006, 12:34 AM
I think he becomes so successful just because he really loves the game and gives all his heart and soul in every match! I am a VERY big fan of Andy Roddick, but I loved his game-he glues me to TV everytime!:)

pound cat
01-27-2006, 04:49 AM
He says he loves the game, loves to win, loves the spotlight, & believes he's destined to be a great tennis player,

The Pusher Terminator
01-27-2006, 05:11 AM
Safin. Agassi and Nadal all being out does not hurt either.

spam
01-27-2006, 05:12 AM
Great balance
Big serve,first and second-not keen on his action though,too many moving parts.
HUGE groundies off both wings and the ability to flatten out his shots down the line on both wings
Guts,will to win
Pedigree
Good court craft,looks like he's improving all the time
Natural tennis player
Good footwork
Patience during rallies ,then sudden intense aggression when sees opening
nuff said........

sureshs
01-27-2006, 06:28 AM
Baggy is "in the zone" right now. It is well-known in sports pyschology.

bismark
01-27-2006, 06:31 AM
Solid all round game. Good running forehand. Decent serve, big enough with good placement. Quick, gutsy, fit, and full of determination.

Amusing personality. Nice quirky quotes, sounds a bit like Marat and Goran.