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Jack Romeo
01-26-2006, 09:03 PM
... i wanted david nalbandian to win their semi because i thought he would have a better shot at giving us a more exciting match against roger federer in the finals. yeah, i'm already assuming fed will beat nicolas kiefer, even though i think kiefer might actually give him some trouble, just like haas and davydenko did.

the problem when these unknowns - when they breakthrough and reach the finals of a major, they usually get overcome by the occassion. this is especially true for the younger, inexperienced players. moya, schuettler, clement - they all got blown away in the finals by the overwhelming favorite at that time. nalbandian himself experienced this when he got to the wimbledon finals as an unknown.

whenever roger plays, he is always a favorite to win. match him up against an inexperienced upstart and we just might get another whitewash of a final.

go_nadal
01-26-2006, 09:16 PM
I thought bagdadtis would hav cracked by now... after beating a rod i thought he didnt hav much chance in goin any further, but he still managed to beat lub and nalbs!!! he didnt show much signs of nerves in either matches so i think he will do well in the final.

StraightSets
01-26-2006, 09:22 PM
... i wanted david nalbandian to win their semi because i thought he would have a better shot at giving us a more exciting match against roger federer in the finals. yeah, i'm already assuming fed will beat nicolas kiefer, even though i think kiefer might actually give him some trouble, just like haas and davydenko did.



Exactly my thoughts. I thought Nalby coiuld take out Federer in the final. However I really like Baghdatis and I love his game. I was unsure who to go for.

Deuce
01-26-2006, 10:44 PM
I'd love to see Baghdatis and Kiefer in the final...

Imagine the contrast...

...Kiefer gets all upset with everything, as usual, and starts yelling at and trying to intimidate Baghdatis and his 'support group'...

... and Marcos is on the other side of the net, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, and saying to Kiefer across the net, "Hey, relax, Nick... enjoy this. Neither of us are supposed to be here. Smile. Life is good, man..."

VolklVenom
01-26-2006, 10:52 PM
exactly!
i have a feeling Baghdatis is goin to do to Federer, what a 20 yr old safin did to Sampras in 2000 US Open.

arosen
01-27-2006, 03:17 AM
Marcos may zone in just like Sharapova did in her Wimby run. He'd probably focus and play his best. Unfortunately for him, he is up against a guy who lost 3 or 4 matches total during all of last year, which is insane. Impossible task for Marcos.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 03:41 AM
Remember Safin in USO 2000 fiinal v. Sampras? No reason why Baghdatis can't do the same. Ella Marcos.

slice bh compliment
01-27-2006, 03:45 AM
... the problem when these unknowns - when they breakthrough and reach the finals of a major, they usually get overcome by the occassion. this is especially true for the younger, inexperienced players. moya, schuettler, clement - they all got blown away in the finals by the overwhelming favorite at that time. nalbandian himself experienced this when he got to the wimbledon finals as an unknown.

whenever roger plays, he is always a favorite to win. match him up against an inexperienced upstart and we just might get another whitewash of a final.

True, as a rule, the unexpected, giantkiller finalist usually is just happy to be there. He starts poorly, fights the good fight, and loses in the end. There are several other examples from other slams, too, including Chris Lewis (v. Johnny Mac at W), Todd Martin (Oz and US Open v. Pete and Dre), Martin Verkerk (v. JC Ferrero at RG) and Mal Washington (v. Krajicek at W)...maybe even Marcelo Rios (v. Korda at Oz Open 98).

Exceptions: Boris at W in 1985 and 1986, Courier at RG over Dre, Kuerten at RG in 1997, Safin over Pete at the US OPEN, Hewitt over PETE at the US OPEN.

Will this Oz Open be an exception?

Well, if it's Keifer v. Marcos, I think Deuce's commentary is spot on....and I think it will be an exceptional final.

If Marcos has to play Federer...hmmm....looking forward to that one.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 03:56 AM
And it will be interesting to see how Federer handles the very loud Greek cheerleaders and the fans who I suspect will largely be rooting for Baghdatis.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 04:58 AM
Date: 27 January 2006


If you are a lover of romance – or Cypriots – you might want to look away now.

Because we have some bad news, and a little bit of good news, regarding the triumphant arrival in Sunday's men's singles final of the Australian Open by the unheralded Marcos Baghdatis.

The bad news is that in Grand Slam history, the overwhelming evidence is that when an unseeded player makes it to the men's singles final, you can kiss goodbye to a decent final.

At the Australian Open, precisely one unseeded player has ever managed to win. Big burly Mark Edmondson, waaaay back in 1976, was also the last local hero, which is kind of depressing.

The good news is that when an unseeded player does surprise in a final, it tends to be spectacular and that player tends to be a future great, announcing himself to the world.

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Rewind to 1985 when a big red-headed teenager called Boris Becker was unseeded as he won a tight four-set Wimbledon final against Kevin Curren, or drift to the 1997 French Open final when a Brazilian, Gustavo Kuerten, was unseeded and unknown before thrashing two-time Roland Garros winner Sergi Bruguera for the title. History records that neither win was a fluke as Becker and Kuerten enjoyed strong careers.

Michael Chang in 1989 and Gaston Gaudio in 2004 are two other stars who arrived with an unseeded French Open singles win. But clay must play a role in that. Note the lack of such stories at the modern hardcourt Grand Slams – the US Open and Australian Open.

In fact, Andre Agassi, in his veteran phase (as opposed to his punk-kid phase), is the only unseeded player of the Open era to have won at Flushing Meadow. (Mark Philippoussis was unseeded when he lost to Pat Rafter in 1998).

Mal Anderson (1957) and Fred Stolle (1966) were unseeded champions, and unseeded Jan Kodes made the final in 1971, but that was on grass.

It's even worse for unseeded finalists at Wimbledon where, since the concept of “seeded players” was introduced in 1927, 13 unseeded men have made the final. Eleven of those lost meekly, in straight sets.

Becker's first title in 1985 stands as a remarkable exception while the only other unseeded man ever to win was also a wild card. Goran Ivanisevic, in the twilight of his career, memorably staggered home against 3rd seed Pat Rafter in 2001.

So what does all this mean? Only that the Bag Man is up against it – but that was also the case against Andy Roddick, not to mention when he was two sets down against David Nalbandian yesterday.

If Baghdatis can pull off one more miracle in the final, we might yet be witnessing something special. And it might not be a one-night stand.

Rabbit
01-27-2006, 05:02 AM
I'm pulling for Baghdatis, he seems like a genuinely good guy. In his interview with Courier, he really seemed to be enjoying the moment and looking forward to the next match.

dozu
01-27-2006, 05:08 AM
you guys can put in all the wild *** prediction for free here, or put your $$ and buy a betting contract.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 05:17 AM
I did & I'll be as rich as Baghdatis will be with his AO winnings. He's made 600,000 USD by being in the final. That should be enough to buy gyros for every Cypriot. and if he wins...1.2 million...ouzo for everyone.

bismark
01-27-2006, 05:35 AM
Baghdatis might pull a Kuerten (his first FO win) against Federer. A mighty big might!

Shabazza
01-27-2006, 05:41 AM
Date: 27 January 2006


If you are a lover of romance – or Cypriots – you might want to look away now.

Because we have some bad news, and a little bit of good news, regarding the triumphant arrival in Sunday's men's singles final of the Australian Open by the unheralded Marcos Baghdatis.

The bad news is that in Grand Slam history, the overwhelming evidence is that when an unseeded player makes it to the men's singles final, you can kiss goodbye to a decent final.

At the Australian Open, precisely one unseeded player has ever managed to win. Big burly Mark Edmondson, waaaay back in 1976, was also the last local hero, which is kind of depressing.

The good news is that when an unseeded player does surprise in a final, it tends to be spectacular and that player tends to be a future great, announcing himself to the world.

Advertisement
Rewind to 1985 when a big red-headed teenager called Boris Becker was unseeded as he won a tight four-set Wimbledon final against Kevin Curren, or drift to the 1997 French Open final when a Brazilian, Gustavo Kuerten, was unseeded and unknown before thrashing two-time Roland Garros winner Sergi Bruguera for the title. History records that neither win was a fluke as Becker and Kuerten enjoyed strong careers.

Michael Chang in 1989 and Gaston Gaudio in 2004 are two other stars who arrived with an unseeded French Open singles win. But clay must play a role in that. Note the lack of such stories at the modern hardcourt Grand Slams – the US Open and Australian Open.

In fact, Andre Agassi, in his veteran phase (as opposed to his punk-kid phase), is the only unseeded player of the Open era to have won at Flushing Meadow. (Mark Philippoussis was unseeded when he lost to Pat Rafter in 1998).

Mal Anderson (1957) and Fred Stolle (1966) were unseeded champions, and unseeded Jan Kodes made the final in 1971, but that was on grass.

It's even worse for unseeded finalists at Wimbledon where, since the concept of “seeded players” was introduced in 1927, 13 unseeded men have made the final. Eleven of those lost meekly, in straight sets.

Becker's first title in 1985 stands as a remarkable exception while the only other unseeded man ever to win was also a wild card. Goran Ivanisevic, in the twilight of his career, memorably staggered home against 3rd seed Pat Rafter in 2001.

So what does all this mean? Only that the Bag Man is up against it – but that was also the case against Andy Roddick, not to mention when he was two sets down against David Nalbandian yesterday.

If Baghdatis can pull off one more miracle in the final, we might yet be witnessing something special. And it might not be a one-night stand.

good article, I think the same, but even if he loses I really doubt he will put up a Verkerk and vanish!

Grimjack
01-27-2006, 05:58 AM
I'm surprised he's made it this far, and I'll be even more surprised if he wins the final. But I'll certainly enjoy it if he does. He has an infectious happiness about him that makes him impossible to root against. I also think his mellow attitude (assuming it's not affectation) should help to eliminate the nerves that fry so many first-time finalists.

I think Fed would have been fired up to avenge himself against Nalbandian. That, coupled with Dave's slam history, would have led me to expect a very quick romp by Fed if those two had met.

Against Marcos, I see a talented young player (and Fed has shown some vulnerability against such in the past), a guy Fed can't possibly have some bloodlust-passion to destroy, and a guy whose strokes do include some weapons that can at least bother RF. I actually expect a better match out of this than I would have against Nalbandian.

Still, I expect Fed to win.

Shabazza
01-27-2006, 06:11 AM
I'm surprised he's made it this far, and I'll be even more surprised if he wins the final. But I'll certainly enjoy it if he does. He has an infectious happiness about him that makes him impossible to root against. I also think his mellow attitude (assuming it's not affectation) should help to eliminate the nerves that fry so many first-time finalists.

I think Fed would have been fired up to avenge himself against Nalbandian. That, coupled with Dave's slam history, would have led me to expect a very quick romp by Fed if those two had met.

Against Marcos, I see a talented young player (and Fed has shown some vulnerability against such in the past), a guy Fed can't possibly have some bloodlust-passion to destroy, and a guy whose strokes do include some weapons that can at least bother RF. I actually expect a better match out of this than I would have against Nalbandian.

Still, I expect Fed to win.

I second that! Fed in 4 tough sets!

gts072
01-27-2006, 08:55 AM
Remember Safin in USO 2000 fiinal v. Sampras? No reason why Baghdatis can't do the same. Ella Marcos.

It’s not the same scenario. Sampras was not in his prime anymore when he lost in the 2000 US Open. And Safin already has beaten him once that year at the Montreal Masters in the quarterfinals.

knasty131
01-27-2006, 09:34 AM
baghdatis is a great player and i too have become a fan...i believe he will rise to the occasion and give Federer a run for his money....that being said, i think Fed will blow him away with his amazing talent...haha

PS im a bigger Fed fan so im a little biased

8PAQ
01-27-2006, 11:09 AM
exactly!
i have a feeling Baghdatis is goin to do to Federer, what a 20 yr old safin did to Sampras in 2000 US Open.


Federer 2006 is same age as Sampras in 1996. So this is not the some old and busted Federer we are talking about here. He is still the new hotness!

hyperwarrior
01-27-2006, 02:28 PM
Federer 2006 is same age as Sampras in 1996. So this is not the some old and busted Federer we are talking about here. He is still the new hotness!
Fed is 24...

Moose Malloy
01-27-2006, 03:09 PM
Bagdhatis is ranked 55.
Safin was the #6 seed at the 2000 US Open. Sampras was 4.
Hewitt was 4 when he beat Sampras(who was 10)
Neither player came out of nowhere, like Bagdhatis.

VolklVenom
01-27-2006, 03:21 PM
a fast moving ranked 55 is NOT a "coming from nowhere" player

Moose Malloy
01-27-2006, 03:24 PM
was anyone talking about him before as a threat to win here?
He was 300-1 to win before the event. He is coming from nowhere. So was Guga in '97.
Safin & Hewitt pulled off upsets, but were established top 10guys when the beat Sampras
Baghdatis is doing something else, like on the level of Douglas-Tyson.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 03:29 PM
Oh what does the outcome really matter????? Marcos has brought life to tennis and to AO and stands to be a rich man & improve his ranking. Just give those Greek & Cypriot fans something to cheer about and the press to write about..that will be fine.

= marios =
01-27-2006, 03:46 PM
I have faith in Marcos beating Federer, but i won't bet any money cause i think i'll jinx it. I'm just not a lucky sports gambler.

I expect either a tough, but safe, 4-set victory for Federer or a hard-fought 5-set epic thriller win for Marcos. It's important that he wins the first set or at least one of the first two. If he's losing 2-0 i don't think he can pull another 3-set run out of his hat. He's got loads of energy but he's not the Energiser bunny. :mrgreen:

Robert Johnson is said to have met the devil at the crossroads and agreed to sell his soul so he could be the best blues guitar player around. Federer seems to have found himself at a similar crossroads and, like Johnson, traded in his soul for a superhuman skill. A skill involving a tennis racquet.

Johnson died extremely young, but it was tougher times then. I'm sure Roger can tough it out a few more decades and establish himself as the top tennis player the sport has ever produced...maybe even surpassing Sampras in GS titles.

But i hope this goes Marcos' way. He's given up a lot (his family) to be able to become a great player and if he wins this title it will be such a huge boost for him.

federerforever
01-27-2006, 03:49 PM
I am hoping that Federer will take Bagdattis very seriously and be even more focused than in all of his other Grand Slam finals. Because if he won't then this could easily go to five sets and Bagdattis winning it. Even though Agassi played great tennis in last years US Open final it was obvious because of his age he ran out of steam in the last set. This won't be happening to Bagdattis who won't give up to the last second and his game is much better than that of Hewitt or Roddick. Also I don't believe that Bagdattis is really more tired than Federer because he only had to play one more set than Federer and Bagdattis has one more day to rest after the semi than Federer. Therefore please Federer you better play the best tennis of your life this Sunday and even if you only loose two games after the first two sets don't lower your level of play in the third or else you will end up like Nalbandian.

supremebeing
01-27-2006, 03:51 PM
Marcos looks like a very cool guy, lots of fun. I hope he is not to freaked by the beating he is about to recieve.