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Coria
01-27-2006, 06:09 AM
There comes a point for players who are doing what this guy has done--where it all comes to a crashing halt (although that will not in any way minimize the incredible achievement of this guy). Remember Chris Lewis in the '83 Wimbledon tournament? Came out of nowhere, got to the final, and got destroyed by Johhny Mac.

Remember Clement vs. Agassi at Aussi Open five or six years ago? Remember Shuettler?

The mental part is so taxing for a young guy like this-especially with his country going delirious. He's in the twi-light zone right now and is probably struggling to sleep well and relax. It will be too much in the final. His body and mind will flame out, guarantee it. Add on the energy he needed to beat Nalbandian--who kind of choked if we're being honest, he's totally mentally exhausted. And this isn't playing Nalbandian in the semis. This is Roger Federer in the FINAL.

Fed is motivated now and has turned his game up a notch. He will be motivated to quiet the Baghdatis contingent of fans. He played brilliantly against Kiefer in the final two sets in semis and will carry that over in the final. He's also motivated to catch the likes of Mac and Wilander for majors won--let alone atoning for his flameout against Safin last year, where he would have won again if he didn't have a mental lapse on match point.

I'm predicting Fed will win about 6-4, 6-3, 6-1. But, again, it won't take away from what this man from Cyprus has done! He's GREAT for the game!! And I think he'll be a major contender and top 20 or above player for years to come.

@wright
01-27-2006, 06:14 AM
I expect the match to be similar to the other matches they have played against one another, particularly when Fed took him out last year at this same tournament. MB has had an incredible run - something truly special and memorable, but he's not playing with house money anymore. The fact that he was about to lose to Nalbandian gave him new life, he had nothing to lose. Now that he's in the final, there is ALOT to lose - a slam title, $$$, an amazing run. If he didn't feel the pressure before now, he'll feel it Sunday. Fed turned his dial up at the end of the SF match just in time for the final. He's won 6 of these, and he knows what he's doing and how to win. Some people think the rowdy fans will disturb him - I find that unlikely. Anyone remember back a few months when he played the US Open final against one A. Agassi? Do you think people there weren't rooting wildly for their man to win one more slam? Has MB even won a tournament?

Lleyton Hewitt
01-27-2006, 06:36 AM
I think Baghdatis will beat Federer...he is very capable of doing this. Nobody thought he would beat roddick, ljubicic or even nalbandian at 2 sets down but he overcame the odds and i think he can do that against federer. But the thing is baghdatis will have his chances to beat federer its all about taking ur chances

SteveI
01-27-2006, 06:41 AM
I expect the match to be similar to the other matches they have played against one another, particularly when Fed took him out last year at this same tournament. MB has had an incredible run - something truly special and memorable, but he's not playing with house money anymore. The fact that he was about to lose to Nalbandian gave him new life, he had nothing to lose. Now that he's in the final, there is ALOT to lose - a slam title, $$$, an amazing run. If he didn't feel the pressure before now, he'll feel it Sunday. Fed turned his dial up at the end of the SF match just in time for the final. He's won 6 of these, and he knows what he's doing and how to win. Some people think the rowdy fans will disturb him - I find that unlikely. Anyone remember back a few months when he played the US Open final against one A. Agassi? Do you think people there weren't rooting wildly for their man to win one more slam? Has MB even won a tournament?

I have to agree with you on this one. Having said that.. and being a big Fed Fan..if Fed is not on his game, MB has the game to take the match deep and push Fed. If I was a betting man.. I would say Fed in 4.

Regards,
Steve

gscone
01-27-2006, 06:42 AM
I say- Baghdatis in 5...

SteveI
01-27-2006, 06:44 AM
I say- Baghdatis in 5...

Anymore "Bets" on the table???

Coria
01-27-2006, 06:47 AM
You guys are fooling yourselves. Do you honestly think Federer would let this match get away from him? It would haunt him for years--possibly put him on a downward path in his career.

The guy has lost ONE final in what, almost 3 years. And that was to Nalbandian in a very tight five set Masters final that Fed really let get away from him. Plus, he was coming off injury and was not as his best--he still could have won numerous times. It was the best match Nalbandian will ever play--trust me, and probably the greatest win ever in his life.

You guys really don't understand how great Fed. is. He IS great and probably will be the greatest ever. Get ready to watch a route.
Remember how well Agassi played for 2 1/2 sets--and still lost, getting spanked in the fourth of the US Open final. Baghdatis will not be able to produce what Andre did that day. It will not be close.

bismark
01-27-2006, 06:48 AM
I'll go for Baghdatis, even though it's a long shot. 5 sets.

Pistol Pete
01-27-2006, 06:50 AM
I want MB to beat Roger. But if Roger is as good as everyone believes him to be and the hype is. He will crush MB in straights.
6-3 6-2 6-3

Ripper
01-27-2006, 06:51 AM
RF is favourite to win, but that doesn't mean he'll win. I doubt it that anyone will be doing any kind of destruction that day. I expect a very even match. The way I see it, both guys are putting a lot on the line; both will be highly pressured to win. However, my logic says that RF will be more; think about it ;)

SteveI
01-27-2006, 06:56 AM
Hi,

I am thinking 6-4, 7-5, 6-7 (8-6), 6-1 The only problem Fed has is that he gets "bored".. you can see it at times.. I am thinking the 6-7.. he is getting bored.. but comes back to crush the hopes of MB.. just like he did to AA at the US Open this year.

Regards,
Steve

Noelle
01-27-2006, 06:58 AM
I'll throw my "bet" on the table and say it'll be Roger in 4 as well.

Marius_Hancu
01-27-2006, 07:00 AM
I'll throw my "bet" on the table and say it'll be Roger in 4 as well.

that's what I'd be saying in normal circumstances too.

taking into account his loss to Safin, I expect that Roger will be very keen and win in 3.

8PAQ
01-27-2006, 07:00 AM
I expect 7-5 6-3 6-1 for Federer. Maybe 7-6 in the 1st. Last set will be a blowout because Fed always plays great in the last set plus Marcos will be spent.

opiate
01-27-2006, 07:04 AM
I'd say five, with two really tough sets (2nd and 3rd; or 3rd and 5th, or something like that.. what do I know anyway?)

As much as I want to believe that Fed will replace the USO with the AO, rabid NYers with rabid Cypriots, and AA with Baggy, and do the same thing all over again (i.e. winning in four)... I just can't picture it.

Fed's fourth set win in the USO is as much as him raising his game as AA succumbing to fatigue. MB on the other hand has no chronic back pain and is riding a high.

So Fed in Five. Although I beg to be allowed a (cowardly, I know) disclaimer: stranger things have happened.

joe sch
01-27-2006, 07:08 AM
There comes a point for players who are doing what this guy has done--where it all comes to a crashing halt (although that will not in any way minimize the incredible achievement of this guy). Remember Chris Lewis in the '83 Wimbledon tournament? Came out of nowhere, got to the final, and got destroyed by Johhny Mac.

Remember Clement vs. Agassi at Aussi Open five or six years ago? Remember Shuettler?

Federer has alot of pressure as the newly appointed "best ever" to win more slams.
He is a hugh favorite. He came up short in attempting to break Macs best season is last years last match. Can he win as expected like Mac in 83 ? Baghdatis has nothing to lose and everything to gain. The fans will be giving him tons of support. I hope he can continue zoning and break Federer's easy course to another slam. Roger had to rise to his immortal playing ability just to win the last 2 rounds, maybe he will run out of immortality and Baghdatis destiny will be achieved ? Maybe Nadal will win the French putting even more pressure on the newly appointed "greatest ever" ? How much pressure would that put on him for Wimbledon ? I would like to see the current tennis get really interesting. I would like to see this destiny prevail :)

UHS
01-27-2006, 07:15 AM
If 3 sets: RF, If 4 sets: RF, If 5 sets: MB.

Roger has a poor fifth set record for a dominant player, while MB's record is outstanding (I think 5 out of 5 so far)

@wright
01-27-2006, 07:25 AM
Think about how much time MB has spent on the court. There is NO WAY he has as much in the tank as Federer. I find it unbelievable that anyone would think if it goes to 5 that Marcos will be hoisting the winner's trophy. Not a chance. I'd bet my car on it. He has probably spent at least 5 more hours on court than Federer. I don't care if he has an extra day off, it takes weeks to recover from 7 best of 5 set matches. MB may be riding a high, but it can only take him so far. The human body is resilient, but the same thing is going to happen to him that happened to Safin in the '04 final. In fact, I'd bet that this final will be a repeat of that final.

Take2
01-27-2006, 07:27 AM
Nice spoiler title.

Coria
01-27-2006, 07:28 AM
If 3 sets: RF, If 4 sets: RF, If 5 sets: MB.

Roger has a poor fifth set record for a dominant player, while MB's record is outstanding (I think 5 out of 5 so far)


Dude, Fed is 2-2 in five set matches in the last two years, beating Andre in 5 in the US Open semis in '04 and Nadal last year in Masters' series. He lost to Safin in '05 and to Nalbandian in '05 Masters series final--he was coming off injury. As it was, he could have and should have won both. Please don't overstate things.

Coria
01-27-2006, 07:29 AM
Nice spoiler title.

What are you talking about? The spoiler thing is for matches in progress or matches that have already been completed. Am I incorrect in this?

Brettolius
01-27-2006, 07:29 AM
Nice spoiler title.

You're a dolt.

arnz
01-27-2006, 07:33 AM
OK, my money is on Roger Federer. Are we allowed to bet money on here? Coz if anybody wants to take me up on it, I'm a go :mrgreen:

@wright
01-27-2006, 07:34 AM
I was thinking dunce. What's with the newb flood? Can we send them back from whence they came?

arnz
01-27-2006, 07:35 AM
What are you talking about? The spoiler thing is for matches in progress or matches that have already been completed. Am I incorrect in this?


I think what he means is that will be a nice spoiler title the day after the match...Fed destroys Bags

arnz
01-27-2006, 07:37 AM
I was thinking dunce. What's with the newb flood? Can we send them back from whence they came?

That newb thing is funny. somehow being on a message board and posting a lot makes you a better person? LOL

spinbalz
01-27-2006, 07:40 AM
Federer in 3

Pancho
01-27-2006, 07:53 AM
I'm predicting Fed will win about 6-4, 6-3, 6-1. But, again, it won't take away from what this man from Cyprus has done! He's GREAT for the game!! And I think he'll be a major contender and top 20 or above player for years to come.

Mmmm. That's sad but I think you may be right. Federer is the player to beat now. I still like Baghdatis' passion and energy - he is way more entertaining to watch than any player at the moment.

UHS
01-27-2006, 07:53 AM
Dude, Fed is 2-2 in five set matches in the last two years, beating Andre in 5 in the US Open semis in '04 and Nadal last year in Masters' series. He lost to Safin in '05 and to Nalbandian in '05 Masters series final--he was coming off injury. As it was, he could have and should have won both. Please don't overstate things.

Well, If you include 2003, it's 2-5 I think (lost all 3 five setters in 2003, if I'm correct). Of course he has a decent record, but since he is who he is, he should have won them all, like you pointed out. If you look at only 2005 he was 1-2, not particularly good for a guy who is a level apart.

Sampras record between '89 and '02 is something like 33-12, Fed's is 8-9 since '99

pound cat
01-27-2006, 07:57 AM
I would like to see MB win, just to complete the AO fantasy, but what I really want is a Slam .final with some great tennis...one to remember...and watch again instead of erasing the tape.

oscar_2424
01-27-2006, 08:00 AM
Remember my words, Federer loses in 5

BabolatFan
01-27-2006, 08:06 AM
MB's been put thru the grinder all week long, playing long setters. It could be a big letdown for him against RF. I hope the finals will be some sensational tennis, but I'm betting on RF in 3 sets. I'm sure RF got MB figured out already.

GuyPerez
01-27-2006, 08:10 AM
Federer trips in the second set, dislocating his right shoulder. Finishes the match left handed for a 4 set victory 7-6 in the 4th.

MB is good for the game. I would like to see him win, even though I like Federer. Have you noticed that the guy actually seems to be having FUN. What a concept! He actually SKIPS back to baseline at times. This kid can really play some ball. I hope he continues to do well.

ATXtennisaddict
01-27-2006, 08:15 AM
Roger in 4.

frekcles
01-27-2006, 08:21 AM
The only problem Fed has is that he gets "bored".. you can see it at times.. I am thinking the 6-7.. he is getting bored.. but comes back to crush the hopes of MB..

I agree. In the semi-final he appeared to be bored in the 1st two sets and then all of a sudden just turned on the after-burner. Kinda like Ali's rope-a-dope. Baghdatis seems to do the same thing too against Nalbandian. Sort of like biding his time and conserving energy between his service games and return games. Just hoping that the finals will be an all-out slugfest between the two of them.

sureshs
01-27-2006, 08:23 AM
Roger will win unless Baggy's fans heckle him and make him lose his concentration. Those guys even showed up towards the end of Roddick's previous match to try to prevent him from facing Baggy! Didn't matter it turns out. Look for these fans to create soccer-style chaos to bug Roger.

rfprse
01-27-2006, 08:24 AM
Federer at least in 4.

vllockhart
01-27-2006, 08:29 AM
I think Baghdatis will beat Federer...he is very capable of doing this. Nobody thought he would beat roddick, ljubicic or even nalbandian at 2 sets down but he overcame the odds and i think he can do that against federer. But the thing is baghdatis will have his chances to beat federer its all about taking ur chances

I think Big Bad Bag will push Federer to come up with some more sparkling play than we have seen in this tourney thus far. Remember, when Federer faces these inspired opponents, he comes up with eye-popping stuff. I don't think he'll be caught by surprise by Marcos.

I'll be up at 3:30 AM watching, will you??

Kobble
01-27-2006, 08:31 AM
I don't know who is going to win, but I will say that if Marcos takes one set off of Federer his run was legitimately good. However, if he loses in straight sets with a likely 6-0 thrown in there somewhere, then, he most likely has just had a lucky run. If you look at all the players who beat Federer or pushed him they apply relentless pressure(Nadal, Agassi, Safin and Nalbandian). Now, on the other hand, Baghdatis just blinks in and out of great play, which many players are capable of doing. And, as we all know, many players don't challenge Federer.

SteveI
01-27-2006, 08:36 AM
I think Big Bad Bag will push Federer to come up with some more sparkling play than we have seen in this tourney thus far. Remember, when Federer faces these inspired opponents, he comes up with eye-popping stuff. I don't think he'll be caught by surprise by Marcos.

I'll be up at 3:30 AM watching, will you??


Yes.. I will.. because.. If I tape the match.. somehow.. I will find out who wins and that will ruin the entire AO for me. Also agree, Fed has seen MB.. and played him 3 times.. he will have a game plan.. and he has Tony R. in his corner. Here is question for you?? How many players and GS titles has Tony coached?? I do not know.. but I am thinking... over 10?

Regards,
Steve

gts072
01-27-2006, 08:44 AM
Give Federer some respect. He is IMO, shown to be one of the best tennis players today. I agree with Kobble that there will be a bagel thrown in one of those sets. If Baghdatis gives Fed trouble than it goes to four, that’s it. Fed has never lost a GS final and will be “on game” to win his seventh. MARK my words, Fed will win. Anybody want to bet with me on Fed winning? The odds were $3000 to win $100.

@wright
01-27-2006, 08:50 AM
That newb thing is funny. somehow being on a message board and posting a lot makes you a better person? LOL

Nope - nothing wrong with being a newb...Never said I was a better person than anyone, we have just had a rush of newbs lately that post idiotic stuff without earning the right to post idiotic stuff.

danyue
01-27-2006, 08:51 AM
Federer in, 6:4, 7:6, 6:1.

fjgarciap
01-27-2006, 09:02 AM
That concept of RF getting "bored" is interesting. While he was playing Agassi on last year's US Open final and the great old man took the second set and pushed on the third it was like he was forcing a push to get extra motivation. The comparison with Ali's boxing strategy is interesting too.

Following the logic, I think Fed takes this in 4. I will be happy if the cipriot takes it but, we won't know what wood Baghdatis is really made of until we watch that final match.

The tennis guy
01-27-2006, 09:08 AM
The fans will be giving him tons of support.

MB will get nowhere near as much support as Agassi got at last year's US Open.

federerhoogenbandfan
01-27-2006, 09:28 AM
Fed in straights. It would be a huge upset if Baghdatis wins. I think midnight has struck for Cinderella.

random1
01-27-2006, 09:29 AM
I think what he means is that will be a nice spoiler title the day after the match...Fed destroys Bags
I think what he means is that the thread title let everyone know Fed won his semi today, and this thread was posted only a couple of hours after the match. The title was a spoiler for the semi.

tenalyser
01-27-2006, 09:37 AM
Guys let's not be to optimistic I know that Roger is the better player, but Baghdatis will play like a mad man I can assure you that. It all depends on how Federer will play the first two sets if he makes a good start and brings his A game with him we will probably experience a blowout BUT If he makes a slow start filled with errors then maby......... :shock:

Flex-Pointer
01-27-2006, 09:43 AM
Remember Clement vs. Agassi at Aussi Open five or six years ago? Remember Shuettler?
Please don't forget to remember Boris Becker - Wimbledon 1986 ;)

Baghdatis will win!

MagicMT
01-27-2006, 09:50 AM
the Fed's gonna take it in 4 sets, 3 wouldn't surprise me either. it's incredible how he can raise his game when he needs to. in the 5th set vs Haas, he went into "invincible mode" and there was nothing Haas (or anyone!) could do.

Tchocky
01-27-2006, 09:50 AM
When was the last time an unseeded player won the Men's Singles Championships at the Australian Open or any Grand Slam tournament for that matter.

skip1969
01-27-2006, 10:30 AM
even if it only goes three, i don't think it will be a blow-out. and i think it will be very little sideshow . . . and very good tennis.

so forget the girlfriends, forget the chanting greeks, forget nerves, tiredness . . . forget the rambling commentators even.

my advice: keep your eyes on the court. and on the ball.

oooooh . . . (shiver)
can't wait!

JennyS
01-27-2006, 10:41 AM
I agree with those that think Marcos will be out of steam ala Safin in 2004.
Just out of curiousity I checked out how much time Roger and Marcos spent on court through the semis. Here are the stats:


Bagdatis
time on court: 16 hours, 5 minutes
sets played: 25

Federer
time on court: 13 hours, 15 min
sets played: 22

@wright
01-27-2006, 10:44 AM
MB also played doubles, which raises his court time a little, even though doubles is not as taxing. I would venture to guess that MB has done a lot more running than Roger has had to.

Count Grishnackh
01-27-2006, 10:51 AM
I didn't realize that the Bag Daddy bandwagon went this far even to the point that people pick him to beat Federer. But as much as I'd like to see this story have a happy ending, I believe Fed will slam the book shut on this fairy tale in 4 maybe 5 sets. Until I see Fed lose his grip on his dominance on the tour I can't possibly pick against him unless on clay. Sometimes your mouth and your heart say Bag Daddy but deep down there's a voice inside you that kinda knows that Fed will win. It's called the truth. If Marcos wins, I'd be delighted, it would throw some excitement to tennis, one person winning everything is no fun for the fans, unless its for Fed fans. But even the predictability of dominance is too much for me.

alfa164164
01-27-2006, 11:12 AM
Does any of this thread have a similar taste to "Safin will destroy Johansson" from a couple of years ago?

erik-the-red
01-27-2006, 11:16 AM
I predict Federer in four.

Volly master
01-27-2006, 11:31 AM
When was the last time an unseeded player won the Men's Singles Championships at the Australian Open or any Grand Slam tournament for that matter.

boris becker 1985 wimbledon., agassi won the uso unseeded too right? back in 99 or 97?. and the guy who beat sampars in 95 at wimbledon right?

snark
01-27-2006, 12:52 PM
When was the last time an unseeded player won the Men's Singles Championships at the Australian Open or any Grand Slam tournament for that matter.

Ivanisovic, of course, at Wimbledon. He got a wild card into the tournament.
Was it 2001?

arosen
01-27-2006, 01:32 PM
Federer trips in the second set, dislocating his right shoulder. Finishes the match left handed for a 4 set victory 7-6 in the 4th.

LOL ! Fed gets jumped by Greek/Cypriot fans who throw a bath tub at him. Beats Baghdatis in 4 and announces all the kitchen appliances in the world thrown at him cannot stop him from winning everything.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 01:42 PM
..........

VGP
01-27-2006, 01:42 PM
I agree with those that think Marcos will be out of steam ala Safin in 2004.
Just out of curiousity I checked out how much time Roger and Marcos spent on court through the semis. Here are the stats:


Bagdatis
time on court: 16 hours, 5 minutes
sets played: 25

Federer
time on court: 13 hours, 15 min
sets played: 22

I agree. As much as I'm pulling for Baghdatis, I'm afraid that he'll be a bit spent. Although he's had a full day's more rest than Federer......

Moose Malloy
01-27-2006, 01:45 PM
Gaudio was the last unseeded slam champion.
Edmonson('76) was the last unseeded Australian Open champ.

pound cat
01-27-2006, 01:45 PM
It could be a good thing for MB not to win this title. Winning USO at age 20 screwed up safin for years he says as the expectations on him were so huge and he couldn't deal with it. Could MB?? His ATP career is without a title, and who knows how it would affect him, easy going as he may seem.

fastdunn
01-27-2006, 02:10 PM
Fed is motivated now and has turned his game up a notch.

I saw it differently. He turned his game a notch down to a safer
baseline game from semi-final against Kiefer. He wanted to dominate
Haas and Davydenko with variety of shots but quickly found out
he couldn't. His net game was very sub-par.

I think his confidence was hurt. Look how he dropped number of
net approaches significantly in the match against Kiefer.

If Federer plays in this safe mode again in final againt Baghdatis
and Bagdahtis gambles big early in the match, Baghdatis has a
chance to beat Fed in 5 or even 4 sets. (OK, it's an wild call but
there is no fun in predicting Fed to win...)

Docalex007
01-27-2006, 02:45 PM
Marcos seems to be a really good guy, full of energy and smiles ALL the time. I have a lot of respect for this kid and think he's great for the game and for his country.

I'm a huge Federerererer (c'mon, you know you tried to read it) fan but if I could accept anyone beating my fav. player it would be Marcos. I'm not jumping on his bandwagon, but he's caught my attention (of course, like everyone elses attention) and really wish him the best against Fed.

My realistic prediction: Federator in 4

BTW, is Marcos' new nickname any of the following: Bag - Baggy - Bager - Bag Daddy - Bagdad - Daddy Bags - Friedrich Otto Wilhelm II - Bags?

....cause some of you have used these to describe the one and only Marcos Baghdatis.

BreakPoint
01-27-2006, 02:54 PM
BTW, is Marcos' new nickname any of the following: Bag - Baggy - Bager - Bag Daddy - Bagdad - Daddy Bags - Friedrich Otto Wilhelm II - Bags?

....cause some of you have used these to describe the one and only Marcos Baghdatis.

"Bagdad" has a catchy sound to it. ;) LOL.

Docalex007
01-27-2006, 02:55 PM
"Bagdad" has a catchy sound to it. ;) LOL.

LOL, yeah, I was thinking that myself.

Possible headline on Monday: Federer storms Bagdad? :)

Davidbrent
01-27-2006, 02:56 PM
I just hope he has some of his fans there - the final was sold out months ago and apparently his cheering section could only get 8 tickets. They were trying to work something out with Tennis Australia......he needs that atmosphere though.

BreakPoint
01-27-2006, 03:20 PM
LOL, yeah, I was thinking that myself.

Possible headline on Monday: Federer storms Bagdad? :)

Or even worse: "The Swiss annihilates Bagdad!!!" ;) LOL.

Shaolin
01-27-2006, 03:26 PM
Bagwell is gonna get pounded, 2, 2 & 3. But at the end of the day, he is still a national hero, rich and has the hottest gf in the world (besides mine)...

pound cat
01-27-2006, 03:27 PM
Oh what does the outcome really matter????? Marcos has brought life to tennis and to AO and stands to be a rich man & improve his ranking. Just give those Greek & Cypriot fans something to cheer about and the press to write about..that will be fine.

VolklVenom
01-27-2006, 04:00 PM
i second that pound cat

pound cat
01-27-2006, 04:08 PM
"Bagdad" has a catchy sound to it. ;) LOL.


How about just "Marcos" just as Safin is "Marat" Agassi is "Andre" Sampras is "Pete" . Great players are known by their names...not nicknames.

Noelle
01-27-2006, 04:24 PM
Sorry, I have issues with the name "Marcos." (Philippine History 101)

troytennisbum
01-27-2006, 04:27 PM
Roger will win the match, but he's not going to "destroy" Bagdatis.
It will be a good match.

fastdunn
01-27-2006, 04:46 PM
Oh, this could be a factor indeed.

I just hope he has some of his fans there - the final was sold out months ago and apparently his cheering section could only get 8 tickets. They were trying to work something out with Tennis Australia......he needs that atmosphere though.

West Coast Ace
01-27-2006, 04:57 PM
Fed in 4. I think it will be very similar to today's Semi with Kiefer; the 1st 2 sets will be pretty high quality and get split, then Fed will put him away in the next 2.

Vegas has the following line on the Final:
bet 100 to win 600 on Big Daddy
bet 1000 to win 100 on Fed (yes, you read that correctly)

Take2
01-27-2006, 07:21 PM
What are you talking about? The spoiler thing is for matches in progress or matches that have already been completed. Am I incorrect in this?

The problem is that you posted a title that basically told me the results of the Federer/Keefer semifinals match. I hadn't seen that match when you posted this title.

Take2
01-27-2006, 07:30 PM
Nope - nothing wrong with being a newb...Never said I was a better person than anyone, we have just had a rush of newbs lately that post idiotic stuff without earning the right to post idiotic stuff.

:rolleyes:

Bert
01-27-2006, 09:01 PM
Roger will take the match and show his stuff. He's used to pressure and I expect that he'll deliver the goods and win the title. Baghdatis may give some challenge but in the end it will be Federer who is going to come out on top.

jackson vile
01-27-2006, 09:27 PM
I hope Baghdatis, poetic justice:mrgreen:


And one heck of a cool guy:p

Phil
01-28-2006, 01:32 AM
Sorry, I have issues with the name "Marcos." (Philippine History 101)

What's your take on "Imelda"?

Lee
01-28-2006, 02:09 AM
as much as i would love to see marcos win, Federer will win in 3 tough sets...

Galactus
01-28-2006, 04:28 AM
I don't think Baghdatis will win more than 7 games and this match won't take longer than 1hr 25mins...
:mrgreen:

pound cat
01-28-2006, 04:38 AM
Baghdatis on the final:

"I mean, I'm in the final," he said. "Every match is different. Every day is different. I believe in it. My coach does. Everybody in my corner does. So I give myself a good chance.

"I'm really quick on the feet. I move very well in the court. I have a great eye. I see the ball very fast. I can adapt to any players, any style of players.

"I think that's my game, adapting to all the players. I mean, I have maybe all the shots."

As does Federer, as Baghdatis acknowledges, but Cyprus's only player in the top 1000 says he's learnt from his three losses to the Swiss and knows what to expect this time.

"First of all, he's playing really well on important points," Baghdatis said.

"Every time he has important points he just serves so well, he's tactically so well. But I think it will be a great match. May the best win."

If the world No.54 - who is attempting to become the fourth-lowest-ranked player in grand slam history to win the championship - does manage an upset, he'll dedicate victory to his mother Andry.

pound cat
01-28-2006, 04:42 AM
Nick Bollettieri on the final:

Unknown, underrated and an underdog. How in the name of the Lord did Marcos Baghdatis, a 20-year-old kid from the tiny nation of Cyprus, manage to reach the final of the Australian Open, where tomorrow he will fight, unseeded, for a Grand Slam title, in only his sixth-ever Slam tournament, against Roger Federer, the best player the planet has seen?

It's the question that's been on the lips of the tennis world since Baghdatis came from two sets down against David Nalbandian on Thursday to win that remarkable five-set semi-final. My answer starts with, but by no means ends with, two words: big balls.

The kid himself said he had no idea how he managed to get back into it against Nalbandian but the fact is, he did. His attitude is great. Mentally he hasn't let big-name opponents or adverse situations unsettle him, including the odd bad line call, especially a big one at a vital time in the semi. He's taken on, and beaten, four seeds, three of them top-10 players: Andy Roddick, Ivan Ljubicic and then Nalbandian.

Physically he looks strong. Sure, he's puffing at the end of some hard points, and appears to be ailing towards the end of long matches, but his weariness vanishes like morning mist as soon as he's up off his seat again.

His second serve needs some work, but there's not a lot of significant weaknesses in his game. And his strengths have outweighed his frailties in the past fortnight. He's been steady as a rock, Mr Cool, playing his game, and picking off opponents by targeting individual weaknesses in them. Against Nalbandian, for example, he hit the long serve, into the body, knowing Nalbandian is uncomfortable with that height. Against Roddick, the big hitter, he really mixed it up.

And, of course, he's had the rousing support of all of Melbourne's Greek community. No one should underestimate the power of the buzz that an atmosphere like that can give you. Baghdatis will feel like a king right now. He's already been offered yachts and goodness knows what else. If he stood for election he'd be prime minister in a flash. He's not just doing this for himself, but he also has absolutely zilch to lose.
So how did he reach this final, and why now? Unknown, underrated, and an underdog. Each of those played a part. Yes, we know he was a good junior, the best in 2003, when he won the junior Australian Open. Yes, we knew he'd been climbing the rankings, to No 54, because he's starting to mature, and become more consistent - a key ingredient in Slam success.

But he's still a novelty for most Tour players. And no one could know that this would be the event where he took his consistency to a new level. His more audacious shots work more often because he's realising exactly when they'll work best, and as importantly, when not.

The magic of sport is its unpredictability, major breakthroughs included. This may or may not be that leap for Baghdatis. I wouldn't make such judgements on one event. But he's earned huge respect, itself another asset for the future.

Federer will need to put him in his place quickly tomorrow, and I believe he will, and win. Federer has all the variety, the cool, the sheer consistency of pure talent that Baghdatis's other opponents did not. Some say Federer has underperformed. I guess by that they mean that every single set in every match has not been jaw-droppingly perfect. I prefer to interpret his "underperforming" as being able to shift through the gears just when he likes, especially when in danger.

I'd settle for underperforming like that! Baghdatis would, too. It could be quite a spectacle.

bismark
01-28-2006, 04:52 AM
Sorry, I have issues with the name "Marcos." (Philippine History 101)
Hey, at least his goofy wife single handedly turned the country's shoe trade into a gazillion peso industry! :)

Buuurnz
01-28-2006, 05:05 AM
Federer in 4 sets...

6:4 3:6 7:5 6:2

Tim Tennis
01-28-2006, 05:26 AM
Well for me this is one of those matches where you wish both guys could win.
You have to think that Roger will win but I would not count Baghdatis out. This kid plays his heart out and as had a couple of days rest. If Baghdatis can get 1 of the first 3 sets I think it is anybodys match. I think there is a lot more pressure on Roger. The last thing Roger wants to do is go 5 sets.

I think it is going to be a great match. I hope so.

MHK
01-28-2006, 05:27 AM
boris becker 1985 wimbledon., agassi won the uso unseeded too right? back in 99 or 97?. and the guy who beat sampars in 95 at wimbledon right?

Ivanisevich was unseeded when he won Wimbledon in 2001 (and a wild card too of course) though he obviously had proven himself in the past to be able to compete with the best. Kraijeck was seeded when he beat Sampras in 96 (I think that's who you mean?) Not sure about the AO and USO though - its definitely not common! Would love to see Baghdatis give Federer a run for his money but think it will just be a step too far at this time.

Tennis_Fan_109
01-28-2006, 05:54 AM
Federer will not "DESTROY" Baghdatis, this will be a toughie. I predict with confidence that the winner of the 3rd set will be the one that wins the match. One thing is for sure- Baghdatis will NOT be spent! The people that have been saying this really do not understand the situation. He is only 20 years old, no health problems, has 2 days of rest, and the most important of all he can EAT ENERGY!! Thats right he feeds off the crowd, off a great shot, of winning a tough game, he just sucks it all up. Against Nalby he looked spent so many times, he hit maybe 3-4 walls, but each time he found a new wind and was stronger than before. He might be huffing and puffing but give him a second to breathe and he will fight like a lion again. Also, I think he learnt a very important lesson in the first 1.5 sets vs. Nalby in terms of not letting the opponent take control and run him from side to side every point.

Sure Federer has played him before but I dont think he has figured him out like others say because as Roger admits, he has improved greatly these 2 weeks (and thus since they have played). He has learnt a lot every one of the last games, and his strategy in the final will reflect that. On the other hand Federer is the same guy that Baggy played all 3 times, so their previous meetings I think will actually help B-Diddy (just made that one up, you guys like it?) more than Fed.

That all said, Federer is still the favorite. BUT if B-Diddy wins the third set look for him to make this incredible upset.

pound cat
01-28-2006, 06:31 AM
Federer on the final:

But Federer will not be taking Baghdatis lightly.

"Everybody's talking about the young guns coming up and not really about Marcos," Federer said after his four-set win Friday over Nicolas Kiefer. "Thank God I've played him three times, it makes me relax a little bit.''

Federer saw some parallels between himself and Baghdatis, the 2003 junior world champion.

"I was also No. 1 junior back in 1998 ... it took me same time to get up in rankings," said Federer.

He said he was nervous going into his semifinal, knowing what it meant.

"I just had a sort of strange feeling, not a negative one,'' said Federer. "I knew how close I was to another Grand Slam, and worked so hard to get there. To lose in the semis would be a big disappointment.''

He said he knows Baghdatis has "improved incredibly" in the past two weeks.

"I think we are all surprised he got so far," said Federer. ``He proved us all wrong. He beat quality players and he deserves to be in the final.''

Coria
01-28-2006, 10:12 AM
I'm telling you guys in advance that I will be giving you a hard time (those who think it will be a tough match) when Roger destroys him.

hyperwarrior
01-28-2006, 10:56 AM
Baghdatis must work hard if he want to win this title. I expect a tough battle but Roger will prevail...

federerforever
01-28-2006, 11:53 AM
I am predicting that it will be the toughest Grand Slam final for Federer yet. I think Federer will win in tough four or five sets with at least two tie breaks. Federer has been playing mediocre tennis for his level and I don't see that he can suddenly play at his absolute best to beat Bagdattis in straight sets. Bagdattis would beat both Haas and Davydenko the players Federer struggled against. But as long as Fed wins, that's all that matters.

dirk_diggler
01-28-2006, 11:58 AM
i bet 200 euros on roger in three on bet and win. the 200 won't hurt me if i should really lose cause i won the amount on the matches before ;)

Marius_Hancu
01-28-2006, 12:01 PM
I don't see Roger's pre-final interview at the AO site, only Baghdatis'. This means Roger's all business. Roger in 3, needs revenge for last year, IMO.

But this doesn't mean Baghdatis can't win. This is tennis:-)

SteveI
01-30-2006, 03:43 AM
the Fed's gonna take it in 4 sets, 3 wouldn't surprise me either. it's incredible how he can raise his game when he needs to. in the 5th set vs Haas, he went into "invincible mode" and there was nothing Haas (or anyone!) could do.

Hey MM,

We both had Fed in 4. I love the "invincible mode" reference. It seems to apply. AA made reference to it at the US open last year.. he could not to a darn thing, only watch and wonder what happened. AA was in control of the match.. and then he wasn't and it was game, set and match..

Regards,
Steve

BiGGieStuFF
01-30-2006, 04:54 AM
Is there anyway to check how many bagels a player has given? I swear Federer bagels frequently. Who holds the record for that? That guy is just amazing. He just has the uncanny ability to figure out a player.

Bravo Federer. I'm glad I could witness his greatness.

I.hEaRt.KeAbLe
01-30-2006, 05:03 AM
i dont think he destroyed marcos i mean in the first 2 sets it was practically even. i think the reason for federers easy last 2 sets was because he rose to the occasion like a true champ and also because i think marcos got nervous.

Noelle
01-30-2006, 05:55 AM
I'll throw my "bet" on the table and say it'll be Roger in 4 as well.
Well, what do you know. I actually was right!

(I should have bet on this. :p )

Shabazza
01-30-2006, 06:23 AM
Well, what do you know. I actually was right!

(I should have bet on this. :p )
It was a pretty safe bet! ;)

@wright
01-30-2006, 06:54 AM
If you meant you should have bet money, well you wouldn't have won much!

Noelle
01-30-2006, 06:59 AM
Yes, but I still would have won. ;)

SteveI
01-30-2006, 07:13 AM
Yes, but I still would have won. ;)


Me too... :-)