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Pancho
02-14-2006, 09:47 AM
A Chinese tennis player's bid for independence

By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer
February 14, 2006

SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- Peng Shuai wants to wrest control of her tennis career from a sports bureaucracy that grooms players from childhood at no cost but regards them as government servants.

Peng was ranked 31st last year, the highest ranking ever for a Chinese player, and has beaten such stars as Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myskina and Elena Dementieva.

She wants the final say over her training regimen and tournament schedule and a split of her prize money, a report said Tuesday.

"We will decide on the season schedule on our own, hire our own coach and pay for our own expenses," Peng's mother and spokeswoman, Zhang Bing, told the state-run newspaper Shanghai Daily.

Tennis officials originally labeled 20-year-old Peng's demands as selfish, but now appear to be backing down. She may be too promising a prospect to alienate.

The newspaper Chengdu Commercial Times cited unidentified tennis officials as saying that "only a few details" remained to be worked out in a deal that would keep Peng on the national team, while letting her arrange her training and schedule.

Peng would pay her expenses, while splitting some prize money with the association, the report said.

In one sign the rift may be healing, Peng joined other players Monday in Beijing to apply for U.S. visas to compete at Indian Wells and Miami, the Chengdu Commercial Times said.

Peng, training in Tianjin outside Beijing, could not be reached for comment. However, Tang Jiaying, vice director of Tianjin Tennis Association, said Peng was talking with tennis officials "to solve this problem."

"I can't comment on the exact situation regarding Peng Shuai at present," Tang said by telephone. "We don't want too much exposure. ... This does no good to Peng Shuai or to the associations."

Peng isn't the first Chinese athlete to chafe under state control. Wang Zhizhi, the first Chinese in the NBA, was criticized after he refused to return in the offseason to play for China. Basketball officials threw him off the national team and reportedly sought to make him unemployable by refusing to broadcast games in China featuring any team that hired him.



Updated on Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006

boxingguy
02-14-2006, 10:10 AM
I don't buy into that furniture arranging stuff. If it worked, then everyone in China would be rich, happy, and healthy.

arnz
02-14-2006, 10:13 AM
I don't buy into that furniture arranging stuff. If it worked, then everyone in China would be rich, happy, and healthy.

LMAO!! Peng Shuai or Feng Shui, which one are we talking about??

mr2union
02-14-2006, 10:31 AM
I feel bad for the Chinese players in most of the sports: NBA, Tennis, Pingpong, divers and even now figure skating.

In one way, I feel that they should be entitled to their own prize money, have control over their training, have rights to earn extra money by doing commercials..etc. However, they were originally brought to the team and the training camp understanding that they would do it for the country. Without the country, they would never have the starting point, never have the resources to train and compete. Now with success, they want to ditch the country and keep the profit to themselves. It is sort of selfish. The country has invested a lot of money, energy and pride to these players and it is a shame that these players don't want to represent the country and do not want to "re-pay". Just think about those players who did not succeed. They are still living off the country in order to continue playing and earn a "salary" from the country.

With that said, the Chinese government needs to be fair though. They should let the players keep certain portion of the prize, in order to motivate the players. If the successful players are earning just as much as the not so successful players, it doesn't motivate anyone to get results. It is hard to find the right balance.

Rabbit
02-14-2006, 10:47 AM
I think Peng Shuai has the best Egg Drop in the city.

fastdunn
02-14-2006, 12:58 PM
Feng Shui is simply a common sense that works.

For example, have most of windows to east or south directions.
There is no mystery here. Idea is to get more sun light in the morning
not during the sunset...

Babblelot
02-14-2006, 01:03 PM
Not as much as Tim Ryan, who deemed her "the next Monica Seles" last summer.

I'm not very high on her.

norcal
02-14-2006, 01:13 PM
Good for her. Screw the Chinese Tennis Federation, she can play Fed Cup for them to pay back her 'debt'. She was all over tv last summer, she's given Chinese tennis a huge boost already.
Remember back when Natash Zvereva and Chesnokov told the Russian Tennis Fed to F Off?

Can you imagine earning 50k for a tourney and your buddy who earned the same goes out and buys a benz and you have check for 1k from your federation? Didn't think so.

arosen
02-14-2006, 01:13 PM
Peng's all right, I respect her fight for independence, but I believe she owns to the Federation, they paid for her development, they gave her the opportunity, she owes them big time. Payback is a biatch.

dora_75
02-14-2006, 01:31 PM
Comming from en ex comunist country :) and my wife being a pro player... the gov pays for all her expenses so ... what are you guys (some of you) talking about, she should keep all money etc. etc. She used the state's money to train now is a good time to kick their rear end :). This is why Yao had problems too. I agree that she should have control over the coach, training etc but she should give some money back, don't you think.

norcal
02-14-2006, 01:43 PM
Comming from en ex comunist country :) and my wife being a pro player... the gov pays for all her expenses so ... what are you guys (some of you) talking about, she should keep all money etc. etc. She used the state's money to train now is a good time to kick their rear end :). This is why Yao had problems too. I agree that she should have control over the coach, training etc but she should give some money back, don't you think.
Ok, that's fair. How much does it cost to have a kid in a tennis acadamy in China? Everything is way cheaper there, labor, food, equipment, etc, so I'm guessing 10k per year? I'm sure she'd be happy to scratch a check for 100k to them if she can keep her earnings.

mctennis
02-14-2006, 01:46 PM
I agree with dora_75. If they trained her, fed her, clothed her and took care of her she owes them. You don't go to Nicks camp and not pay back some of your winnings. It is Communist country , that is what communism is all about....everything is for the good of all the people. Notice she only wanted to get out after she started winning money. Capitalism is spit on over there until it involves MONEY. Then everyone is greedy and wants a part of the capitalism money. I'm sure all the moeny the Chinese factories are making is going back to the citizens of China, HA, what a joke.

donnyz89
02-14-2006, 02:17 PM
Its a communist nation. Kids were sent to play sports when they were like 4 and the government clothed them, fed them, trained them all his/her life time. Is it right for her to abandon them to get all the money for herself? I personally dont know, I dont think its right but then again a lot of people thinks communism isnt right either. However, she wouldnt be there without communism now would she?

legolas
02-14-2006, 02:38 PM
yeah, shes alright

156MPHserve
02-14-2006, 04:55 PM
I sympathize for her. She was born poor and that was the only way she could've became a pro tennis player. Others of richer backgrounds and countries are able to support themselves and rake in all the prize money they earn. However, she is in fact in debt to her country, if she were to just leave now it is wrong... but then again... I expect she is getting ridiculously underpaid for her efforts.

ktncnttl
02-14-2006, 07:14 PM
Ok, that's fair. How much does it cost to have a kid in a tennis acadamy in China? Everything is way cheaper there, labor, food, equipment, etc, so I'm guessing 10k per year? I'm sure she'd be happy to scratch a check for 100k to them if she can keep her earnings.

10K per year for Nick's camp? I am signing up tomorrow.

sunrise
02-14-2006, 08:08 PM
I agree with dora_75. If they trained her, fed her, clothed her and took care of her she owes them. You don't go to Nicks camp and not pay back some of your winnings. It is Communist country , that is what communism is all about....everything is for the good of all the people. Notice she only wanted to get out after she started winning money. Capitalism is spit on over there until it involves MONEY. Then everyone is greedy and wants a part of the capitalism money. I'm sure all the moeny the Chinese factories are making is going back to the citizens of China, HA, what a joke.

Well said. and Nick is paid in advance and for years to come in terms of prestige to the bollettieri academy if the player becomes a good one.

DaveGrable
02-14-2006, 10:10 PM
Why would anyone burn any brain cells thining about Peng Shuai? She's an inferior player who will never amount to anything.

Of course we know why Asians are thinking about her..... maybe because she's Asian? Just a guess...

Max G.
02-14-2006, 10:35 PM
Why would anyone burn any brain cells thining about Peng Shuai? She's an inferior player who will never amount to anything.


Because there are some of us here that consider even being in the top 100 to be a pretty significant achievement in terms of tennis ability. By getting to that level she has already "amounted to something" - she's had wins over top 10 players, not something most people can say.

Or at least that's my reason for being interested in her - others may have their own reasons. I also am interested because she plays two-handed off of both sides, and that's unusual in today's game and I like unusual players.

DaveGrable
02-14-2006, 10:49 PM
Oh really? Then how come the Asians on here aren't starting threads about obscure non-Asian players in the top 100? What do you think about Maret Ani? She's ranked #98. Oh wait, she's not Asian so I guess she's not very interesting.

Buzzlightyear
02-14-2006, 11:20 PM
DaveGrable, what's the fxxking problem with you?

This thread is not even discussing about how good or bad a player that Peng Shuai is. I don't see any Asian fans here praising Peng like god.

Moreover, Peng was ranked as high as 31. What's wrong with starting a thread about her. Just because she is Asian?

Noelle
02-14-2006, 11:22 PM
*sigh* :( :(

bismark
02-14-2006, 11:57 PM
DaveGrable, what's the fxxking problem with you?

This thread is not even discussing about how good or bad a player that Peng Shuai is. I don't see any Asian fans here praising Peng like god.

Moreover, Peng was ranked as high as 31. What's wrong with starting a thread about her. Just because she is Asian?
Buzz, meet the board's racist troll, DaveGrable. He will take pot shots at Asians (and Blacks) at any given opportunity, like this thread. Do a search.

Poor soul. Dave's hatred for Asians is so immense that it's traumatizing him day and night. Maybe dim sum and jasmine tea will cheer him up.

Noelle
02-15-2006, 12:00 AM
If you feel the need to address DaveGrable's comments, I would suggest you do so in the Rants & Raves thread I created so that GPPD threads don't get off-topic.


EDIT: Apparently the assembled comments in the thread were really offensive, thus the entire thing was deleted.

bismark
02-15-2006, 12:22 AM
If you feel the need to address DaveGrable's comments, I would suggest you do so in the Rants & Raves thread I created so that GPPD threads don't get off-topic.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=86847
Okey dokey, madame moderator. Any chance of getting DaveGrable banned unless he embraces Asians as his new found love? ;)

Phil
02-15-2006, 01:19 AM
Buzz, meet the board's racist troll, DaveGrable. He will take pot shots at Asians (and Blacks) at any given opportunity, like this thread. Do a search.

Poor soul. Dave's hatred for Asians is so immense that it's traumatizing him day and night. Maybe dim sum and jasmine tea will cheer him up.

You're absolutely right, and I'd like to reveal the reasons for Dave's Asiaphobia.

Dave is bitter. He came to Japan with few skills and little experience, probably just out of school, and like many western males in his position, took a job teaching English in one of several "Engrish" conversation factories. But the job was just a means to support himself on his romps through Tokyo looking for beautiful (and easy) women who were (at least according to "Lonely Planet") just rarin' to go, ready to fly into into his arms at a moment's notice... practically as soon as he cleared customs at Narita.

But, Dave struck out. As a result, he became embittered and blamed his lack of nookie, even the easy type, on the Japanese themselves (he later expanded this bigotry to ALL Asians). I know the type...I'm serious here.

He probably lasted all of six months here, and dragged his carcass back home with blue b-alls the size of Mt. Fuji from lack of female companionship.

Dave, I'm here to tell you that I UNDERSTAND. Though I DON'T know what you went though...I UNDERSTAND.

bismark
02-15-2006, 05:22 AM
You're absolutely right, and I'd like to reveal the reasons for Dave's Asiaphobia.

Dave is bitter. He came to Japan with few skills and little experience, probably just out of school, and like many western males in his position, took a job teaching English in one of several "Engrish" conversation factories. But the job was just a means to support himself on his romps through Tokyo looking for beautiful (and easy) women who were (at least according to "Lonely Planet") just rarin' to go, ready to fly into into his arms at a moment's notice... practically as soon as he cleared customs at Narita.

But, Dave struck out. As a result, he became embittered and blamed his lack of nookie, even the easy type, on the Japanese themselves (he later expanded this bigotry to ALL Asians). I know the type...I'm serious here.

He probably lasted all of six months here, and dragged his carcass back home with blue b-alls the size of Mt. Fuji from lack of female companionship.

Dave, I'm here to tell you that I UNDERSTAND. Though I DON'T know what you went though...I UNDERSTAND.
LOL!

Sounds like a potential screenplay for the next Hollywood blockbuster - MEMOIRS OF A GAIJIN

Grimjack
02-15-2006, 05:47 AM
...inferior player who will never amount to anything...

...threads about obscure non-Asian players in the top 100...


Hi, is this the newest Fabrice Santoro thread?

Pancho
02-15-2006, 07:56 AM
I also pity Peng Shuai. She is the only player from China to ever beat Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myskina and Elena Dementieva. With that kind of record she should be able to call her shots. The China communist government should give her independence. Besides, she lives and trains in South Florida (like many WTA and ATP players).

Also, Peng Shuai's two handed strokes (on both sides) are quite a sight to watch and it's currently the best in Women's tennis since Seles is out of action.

Camilio Pascual
02-15-2006, 08:02 AM
Tennis officials originally labeled 20-year-old Peng's demands as selfish,

Send greedy girl to Communist re-education camp and beat her with bamboo canes!!! Have Father tell her she is a disappointment and disgrace to the family. LOL

Rabbit
02-15-2006, 10:00 AM
You're absolutely right, and I'd like to reveal the reasons for Dave's Asiaphobia.

Dave is bitter. He came to Japan with few skills and little experience, probably just out of school, and like many western males in his position, took a job teaching English in one of several "Engrish" conversation factories. But the job was just a means to support himself on his romps through Tokyo looking for beautiful (and easy) women who were (at least according to "Lonely Planet") just rarin' to go, ready to fly into into his arms at a moment's notice... practically as soon as he cleared customs at Narita.

But, Dave struck out. As a result, he became embittered and blamed his lack of nookie, even the easy type, on the Japanese themselves (he later expanded this bigotry to ALL Asians). I know the type...I'm serious here.

He probably lasted all of six months here, and dragged his carcass back home with blue b-alls the size of Mt. Fuji from lack of female companionship.

Dave, I'm here to tell you that I UNDERSTAND. Though I DON'T know what you went though...I UNDERSTAND.

LMAO...wasn't this the theme for a movie starring Marlon Brando?

Brettolius
02-15-2006, 10:44 AM
Send greedy girl to Communist re-education camp and beat her with bamboo canes!!! Have Father tell her she is a disappointment and disgrace to the family. LOL

Who the hell is this guy? Haven't seen you 'round these parts...

Pancho
02-15-2006, 12:50 PM
I'm not sure why are there such Anti-Chinese (or Anti-Asian) sentiments here. Peng Shuai ended 2005 #31 in the world - higest by any person from China. That is quite an achievement along with her wins over top players like Cjlisters, Dementiveva and Myskina.

DashaandSafin
02-15-2006, 01:17 PM
I'm not sure why are there such Anti-Chinese (or Anti-Asian) sentiments here. Peng Shuai ended 2005 #31 in the world - higest by any person from China. That is quite an achievement along with her wins over top players like Cjlisters, Dementiveva and Myskina.
What we are arguing about is that whether or not she deserves to keep all her prize money. There may be some anti asian setiment here, i dont know. But i doubt anyone here is a real racist..

norcal
02-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Who the hell is this guy? Haven't seen you 'round these parts...
Apparently Camilio gave TW an ultimatum: Until you give Noelle and KK moderator status I'm not coming back.

Now he's back.

dmastous
02-15-2006, 02:04 PM
We've seen this before. Natalie Zvereva and and one of the men (Alexander, or something) both fought the Russian machine and eventually broke it. Kournikova and all the Russian armada that dominates women's tennis right now can thank them for their current success.
The only difference is at the time Zvereva and her compatriat were fighting for thier winnings the socialist system in Russia was crumbling. The same can't be said for the Chinese Communist system.
I wish Shuai all the luck in the work, but I think she will suffer for this unless she manages to defect.

Phil
02-15-2006, 05:01 PM
LMAO...wasn't this the theme for a movie starring Marlon Brando?

I believe you're right-either Sayonara or Teahouse of the August (or is it "Autumn"?) Moon. Marlon, in the end, DID get the girl, but sadly, the script for Dave's Japan tenure ended with significantly less fulfillment. Balls the size of Mt. Fu*?#g Fu-ji (Said in heavy Brooklyn accent with appropriate arm "sizing" gestures...).

Phil
02-15-2006, 05:02 PM
Apparently Camilio gave TW an ultimatum: Until you give Noelle and KK moderator status I'm not coming back.

Now he's back.

Or...he decided that he'd return if and ONLY if the Stillers won the Super Bowl.

Buzzlightyear
02-15-2006, 10:44 PM
I believe you're right-either Sayonara or Teahouse of the August (or is it "Autumn"?) Moon. Marlon, in the end, DID get the girl, but sadly, the script for Dave's Japan tenure ended with significantly less fulfillment. Balls the size of Mt. Fu*?#g Fu-ji (Said in heavy Brooklyn accent with appropriate arm "sizing" gestures...).

This racist thing probably doesn't deserve to be comment anymore. But you're so right, without some real life trauma, I couldn't imagine anyone could develop such hatred. May be some acupuncture in the balls will relieve some of his pain, then he will start to appreciate the asian culture.

Camilio Pascual
02-16-2006, 08:40 AM
Or...he decided that he'd return if and ONLY if the Stillers won the Super Bowl.

Well, I believe the Steelers went 8-0 during my absence from here. Hmmmm.
And, just to let folks know I can keep things in perspective, they are NOT a religion to me as some might think, they are merely "instead of" a religion to me.

Phil
02-16-2006, 04:05 PM
Well, I believe the Steelers went 8-0 during my absence from here. Hmmmm.
And, just to let folks know I can keep things in perspective, they are NOT a religion to me as some might think, they are merely "instead of" a religion to me.

Me too! See you in church, Brudda.

dmastous
02-16-2006, 04:23 PM
I believe you're right-either Sayonara or Teahouse of the August (or is it "Autumn"?) Moon. Marlon, in the end, DID get the girl, but sadly, the script for Dave's Japan tenure ended with significantly less fulfillment. Balls the size of Mt. Fu*?#g Fu-ji (Said in heavy Brooklyn accent with appropriate arm "sizing" gestures...).
Both are Marlon Brando movies. But you knew that.
Sayonara also stars James Garner with Brando as airmen stationed in Japan during the Korean War. Brando fall in love with a Geisha which is concidered against regulations at that time. Sad movie.
Teahouse has Brando going Japanese! He plays a Japanese guide "assisting" Glenn Ford in his attempting to placate the natives on Okinawa. His "assistance" results in a Japanese bathouse being built with Army money.
Both good movies IMHO.
Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion .

tennisjunkiela
02-16-2006, 05:04 PM
I'm not sure why are there such Anti-Chinese (or Anti-Asian) sentiments here. Peng Shuai ended 2005 #31 in the world - higest by any person from China. That is quite an achievement along with her wins over top players like Cjlisters, Dementiveva and Myskina.

pancho, i too am always shocked and disturbed at the level of racism and the other isms that seem to lurk just below the surface on these internet chat rooms. the anomynity of the internet has afforded many people to show their true colors - very sad!

ttuvt
02-17-2006, 06:35 AM
As a former Chinese tennis player and currently teaching pro at NY, I understand her situation, this is an era that young players hate totally controlled by government. Under current Chinese capitalism economic environment, they are already enjoying the freedom their parents never think of before. But most of them do sponsored by either local or federal governments, so this cause the conflict. Luckily, Peng is smart enough to avoiding the embarrassed situation like the basketball player Wang(even Wang is welcomed to playing for National team if he want to).

Peng has great talent, I talk to her several times, she is a sweet girl, well educated and smart. But her weakness is obvious, she is not fond of hard physical training, she need better footwork and be careful of her weight.

Anyway, she is not the God of Chinese tennis, she is not even pioneer, but she is an explorer.