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BreakPoint
02-19-2006, 01:32 AM
After having seen all three of John McEnroe's doubles matches so far this week at the SAP Open, I seem to sense there's some level of intimidation factor going on in the minds of his opponents. It seems that all 3 teams that he's played against so far have not played up to their usual level and/or their previous matches' levels. Everyone knows John McEnroe, and his legend status, so are his opponents just really nervous, in awe, or intimidated when facing a true tennis legend across the net for the first time? Someone that they might have idolized as a kid or watched play in Grand Slams on TV when they were growing up? I mean how often do they play against someone that's using a racquet that's named after him?

What do you guys think? Is the McEnroe aura giving the team of McEnroe/Bjorkman an added advantage even before the first ball is struck?

Grigollif1
02-19-2006, 01:34 AM
Yes $$$$ a lot of Intimidation $$$.....;)


Spoiller! Spoiller! Don't read this if you Don't want to Know the results of Yesterday's SAP Doubles Match! Spoiller....

I don't want to Rush into Judgments but, watching today's match it made me think a lot about that because of some sinister poiints. A lot of strange unforced error from the European Doubles team, that I don't usually see in a doubles match. Missing a lot of sitting volleys, shanking the forehand in the net etc.. Also, everything seemed to be following a script. They Loose the firs set then suddenly, in the second begin to completely outplay Bjork/Mac and then in the tie Breaker They achieve a nice lead and end up Loosing 5 Points in a roll to Finish at a tight 10/9.

I know the tournament Is making much Higher Revenues in every level By McEnroe Winning. Not just a packed House but , the money to sell the rights to TV Plus , ATP is really Doing a campaign to Push Doubles this year and Johny Mac Winning a title seems to be the way to go. again , maybe I am a little Paranoid but, that is what is on my mind right now , Hopefuly is not what really is going on...

superman1
02-19-2006, 02:39 AM
There obviously is that huge respect for the best doubles player and one of the best singles players of all time, but I think the pressure is more about, "This is a 47 year old man coming out of the Senior's Tour. I'm in my 20's, I'm a doubles specialist, this is my career. I cannot lose to him!" But Bjorkman's presence relieves some of that pressure, since he's the highest ranked doubles player in the draw.

So in conclusion, McEnroe is just plain better than these guys. They have no excuses except that he's so much better than them that 20 years after his prime he can still consistently beat the pros.

slice bh compliment
02-19-2006, 03:33 AM
Yes $$$$ a lot of Intimidation $$$.....;)

...

Seriously, do you guys think Jonas/John's opponents are taking a dive so doubles will get more exposure? Who is behind it? Individual dubs specialists? The ATP?

Like, SAVE DOUBLES. Invest in the future of doubles: lose to the legend.
The legend grows....more importantly, doubles grows,
and EVERYbody wins more in the end ... that sort of thing?

Investment Tanking.

Integrity?

Nah. It is more fun to believe that Mac's still got it. And he does.

Grigollif1
02-19-2006, 04:26 AM
Slice , I Hope you are Right...

arnz
02-19-2006, 06:01 AM
Yes $$$$ a lot of Intimidation $$$.....;)


Spoiller! Spoiller! Don't read this if you Don't want to Know the results of Yesterday's SAP Doubles Match! Spoiller....

I don't want to Rush into Judgments but, watching today's match it made me think a lot about that because of some sinister poiints. A lot of strange unforced error from the European Doubles team, that I don't usually see in a doubles match. Missing a lot of sitting volleys, shanking the forehand in the net etc.. Also, everything seemed to be following a script. They Loose the firs set then suddenly, in the second begin to completely outplay Bjork/Mac and then in the tie Breaker They achieve a nice lead and end up Loosing 5 Points in a roll to Finish at a tight 10/9.

I know the tournament Is making much Higher Revenues in every level By McEnroe Winning. Not just a packed House but , the money to sell the rights to TV Plus , ATP is really Doing a campaign to Push Doubles this year and Johny Mac Winning a title seems to be the way to go. again , maybe I am a little Paranoid but, that is what is on my mind right now , Hopefuly is not what really is going on...

I agree with this...also I believe that the government of the United States is secretly holding alien bodies and crashed UFO's from Roswell and keeping that knowledge from the public. And Elvis is alive!!!:mrgreen:

Rabbit
02-19-2006, 06:39 AM
I've seen the two matches that TTC broadcast. And, BTW, thanks to TTC for rearranging their schedule. Imagine that, a network that would show a live doubles match instead of rebroadcast a singles match. ESPN are you listening?

Anyway, I would like to bring attention to McEnroe's first volley when he's serving. It's hands down better than anyone on the court, including Bjorkmann. Also, his serve while not as fast as his opponents is clearly better placed and more offensive. It's like using a rapier compared to a baseball bat. I don't think the matches are staged. McEnroe, in the post match interview last night, was asked about his opponents in the finals and their chances against them. He said "Well they're two Stanford boys, but we should do well because we're somewhat better looking. I just hope they read the script for tomorrow." I think he was kidding.

Volly master
02-19-2006, 06:42 AM
Mac's just better then these guys and yes, this status as a legend does play into effect.

i mean, you walk on the court "OMG..i'm playing JOHN McENROE!", of course who know who he is and what his achivments were and how good he is. and your going to be a little tentivie.

but if it was "joe shmo" is not going to matter, there is no aura around you, just another guy on the court.

simi
02-19-2006, 08:52 AM
It is my opinion that John is just so much better than his opponents, so far. Jonas isn't any slouch either. He can be my partner any day. McEnroe is just our generation's tennis gift from God and we should enjoy his performances while he is still able to play. He is truely a "once in a lifetime".

Also, the current crop of doubles players have not played against John. Just like a baseball pitcher and a batter, it takes one or two at-bats before the hitters "figure out" a pitcher. The current players have not seen John's serves (that wicked lefty spin, even though there are other lefties in the game), and his soft touch and angles. If John were to play a full-time schedule, I would think that by the end of the year, people would be able to figure out his game and his wins would be much more difficult.

austro
02-19-2006, 09:34 AM
Yes $$$$ a lot of Intimidation $$$.....;)


Spoiller! Spoiller! Don't read this if you Don't want to Know the results of Yesterday's SAP Doubles Match! Spoiller....

I don't want to Rush into Judgments but, watching today's match it made me think a lot about that because of some sinister poiints. A lot of strange unforced error from the European Doubles team, that I don't usually see in a doubles match. Missing a lot of sitting volleys, shanking the forehand in the net etc.. Also, everything seemed to be following a script. They Loose the firs set then suddenly, in the second begin to completely outplay Bjork/Mac and then in the tie Breaker They achieve a nice lead and end up Loosing 5 Points in a roll to Finish at a tight 10/9.

I know the tournament Is making much Higher Revenues in every level By McEnroe Winning. Not just a packed House but , the money to sell the rights to TV Plus , ATP is really Doing a campaign to Push Doubles this year and Johny Mac Winning a title seems to be the way to go. again , maybe I am a little Paranoid but, that is what is on my mind right now , Hopefuly is not what really is going on...


Just wondering: do you not know the rules of orthography or do you think it's cool to capitalize verbs and adjectives?

cak
02-19-2006, 10:35 AM
Yes $$$$ a lot of Intimidation $$$.....;)
I don't want to Rush into Judgments but, watching today's match it made me think a lot about that because of some sinister poiints. A lot of strange unforced error from the European Doubles team, that I don't usually see in a doubles match. Missing a lot of sitting volleys, shanking the forehand in the net etc.. ..

Okay, so explain why L and L were doing the same thing against Auckland and Murray on Friday night? They were not missing the high sitters Auckland put up in his attempts to lob, but they were missing the lower volleys like Mac and Bjork were giving them, they were over hitting and shanking forehands off Murray's serve. The British guys just made more errors than they did. I think L and L may have been feeling pressure with Mac on the court. (Talk about a lose/lose situation, even if you win you've beaten a 47 year old...) When they tightened up their second set, like they also did against Murray and Auckland, they did much better.

But if the promoters were going for the best crowd pleaser, they would have had L and L take a dive Friday night and put Auckland and Murray against Mac and Bjork. What drama, Auckland and Murray's age added together are ten years younger than Mac. Other than the two pretty girls in the players box, I don't think anyone in the audience were rooting for L and L either night.

BreakPoint
02-19-2006, 12:13 PM
I don't think the matches are staged. McEnroe, in the post match interview last night, was asked about his opponents in the finals and their chances against them. He said "Well they're two Stanford boys, but we should do well because we're somewhat better looking. I just hope they read the script for tomorrow." I think he was kidding.

He was definitely kidding and the matches are NOT fixed. The two opponents were fighting tooth and nail and their hearts out to win last night, especially in the super tiebreak. I was sitting right next to the court and I could see the intense expressions on their faces that they were trying as hard as they can to win. Did you see Lindstedt's reaction after he hit an ace in that tiebreak? He slammed the ball, like "Yeah, COME ON!!!" to psyche himself up. They weren't there just for fun.

Definitely no script for tonight's match against Goldstein and Thomas, either. They are looking to win. During Mac's match last night, Thomas was scounting the match and taking notes diligently. I'm sure he and Goldstein got together late last night or this morning to work out a strategy to beat the Mac attack and Bjorkman. It should be a fun match to see today. :D

galain
02-19-2006, 03:06 PM
I would gladly sell my neighbours children to be able to see Mac on court again......

Grigollif1
02-19-2006, 03:33 PM
Just wondering: do you not know the rules of orthography or do you think it's cool to capitalize verbs and adjectives?


Thanks for the observation, I thinks is just a bad Habbit of mine when typing.

Grigollif1
02-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Maybe , I am Paranoid. It is because I got used to watching the level Doubles being Played in the MC by teams such as Santoro/ Llodra and the Bryans etc. The Doubles matches that I've seen do far in the SAP seemed to be low quality, in my opinion. A lot of unforced errors and not so much net action that I've seen in other events. Nevertheless, McEnroe is really playing amazingly well. Specially in his serve. He hits the spot in the serve like no other player , it really shows how placement is more valuable then pace.

West Coast Ace
02-19-2006, 08:58 PM
Maybe , I am Paranoid. It is because I got used to watching the level Doubles being Played in the MC by teams such as Santoro/ Llodra and the Bryans etc. The Doubles matches that I've seen do far in the SAP seemed to be low quality, in my opinion. A lot of unforced errors and not so much net action that I've seen in other events. Agree 100%. This draw defintely isn't close to what I saw at the Shanghai event. When Mac/Bjorkman start whipping those teams, wake me up.