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lelopez
06-14-2004, 08:33 AM
Seems this never ending debate might finally come to an end. According to some unidentified source at Wilson, All of Roger Federer'r racquets are made from a modified PS 6.0 mold. Roger wanted a larger racquet head from his original 85 sq.in. while trying to maintain ALL the original features of the racquet. Why not use the PS 6.0 95 you may ask? He did not want to and did not like it.

In an effort to satisfy him plus successfully market the PS Tour 90, Wilson modified a PS 6.0 85 mold to include the tapered flanges on the throat, a 90 sq.in. head, and the slight modifications to the PWS shape in order to "make it look" like a Tour 90 to the "untrained eye". Yes, they went through all this trouble just for him. Why has this racquet not been released? Apparently Roger didn't want to for some reason and worked it into his contract.

Also, he's using 80% Graph. 20% Kevlar like the original PS, nothing changed. The weight and balance are the same proportionality as he was using with his PS 85, customized to the new head size.

All his racquets (including the "supposed" nCode that he uses) is actually this racquet, obviously with different paintjobs. He seems to like this racquet very much given that it is the same as his old PS but with a larger head so don't expect him to change. If you're careful take a look a closeup pictures between the old Tour 90 he was "using" and the new nCode he is "using", obviously the same mold looking like the Tour 90 on the head, but like the PS 6.0 on the bottom of the throat and handle.

Hopefully this will clarify some doubts and end this nagging debate about Federer's racquet.

Joe Oldschool
06-14-2004, 12:11 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that will settle all the speculation.

BreakPoint
06-14-2004, 12:28 PM
Just as I suspected!!

drakulie
06-14-2004, 12:31 PM
Actually, I always thought that earlier in his career he was using a Ncode painted to look like a PS 85. LOL

Justyn Daniell
06-14-2004, 04:37 PM
so we call it a PS 6.0 90?

jings
06-14-2004, 05:04 PM
Doesn't really explain the changes in string pattern which have been observed. Seems odd that if he liked a given frame so much he'd then experiment with string patterns. Not sure we'll ever get to the bottom of this one.

Ruuzo
06-14-2004, 06:14 PM
But how much does it weigh?

Metzler
06-15-2004, 09:25 PM
The downfall to all these paintjob stories is that Sampras paid Nate 100 grand a year to put an ounce and a half of obviously visible lead on a stock racquet. Tennis companies operate on tight margins, and if product development asked management for "custom molds" or "paint jobs", they woul ROFLOL.
It is the BRAND that consumers know, not the frame. When they're in Target, they buy the Sampras RAK attack and that's what the endorsements are for. We frequenters of these boards(and fellow enthusiasts) are 5% of their sales.

drakulie
06-16-2004, 04:00 AM
I wonder if Mcenroe had his wood dunlop racquets painted to look like the Max 200G? LMFAO

TommyGun
06-16-2004, 09:15 AM
Wilson has a player services department that customizes every racquet, then paints them, for high ranking pros and juniors.

As for Sampras, it was a special situation because the St. Vince's frames played in a very special way, and when Wilson switched manufacturing they could not duplicate something in the environment there. Wilson scoured all stock for racquets made in St. V's. Then customized for Pete with his personal tech.

As a materials engineer I can tell you that sometimes you cannot predict a variable is important until it is gone, and then you often cannot duplicate it again.

I thought about trying to start up a new factory in St. V's, but it is environmentally and cost prohibitive.

tg

Hewittfan22
06-18-2004, 09:20 PM
This is all BS, he said some unidentified source, how would u trust those UNIDENTIFEID SOURCE, they are migh tbe wrong,

tt2003
10-01-2004, 09:48 AM
If Wilson market this racket, buyers of ncode would buy this anyway. Why not just market genuine stick that roger is using? instead of fooling Federer's fans.

perfmode
10-01-2004, 04:24 PM
That should be in quotations. That post is from a thread about the Wilson Pro Room in which a Wilson Racquet Engineer says exactly that. Do a search in the forums and you will find it.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=10557&postdays=0&postorder=asc&hig hlight=wilson+pro+room+federer&start=0

Swan Song
10-01-2004, 06:23 PM
If you're careful take a look a closeup pictures between the old Tour 90 he was "using" and the new nCode he is "using", obviously the same mold looking like the Tour 90 on the head, but like the PS 6.0 on the bottom of the throat and handle.

Federer's Pro Staff Tour 90 (top)/Pro Staff Midsize(bottom)= Greeek mythical character that's a human with a body of a horse and a racquet we are so obsessed about

intense2b
10-01-2004, 07:00 PM
According to Bill Scanlon Fed uses a paintjob...but his racquet is really a Jack Kramer autograph...lol (wink to Breakpoint).

BreakPoint
10-01-2004, 10:30 PM
According to Bill Scanlon Fed uses a paintjob...but his racquet is really a Jack Kramer autograph...lol (wink to Breakpoint).

Actually, there's probably some truth to that since the PS 6.0 feels more like a Jack Kramer Autograph wood racquet than any other graphite racquet out on the market. No wonder Sampras wants to start his kid out with a wood racquet, undoubtedly with the aim to transitioning him to his PS 6.0 St. Vincents after he develops all his strokes.

perfmode
10-01-2004, 10:56 PM
I bet Pete has a stash of a few hundred custom PS85's in his basement.

tennisnoob
10-03-2004, 06:38 PM
I bet Pete has a stash of a few hundred custom PS85's in his basement.

Let's do a break in man....

zorg
03-19-2006, 08:09 PM
Thought I would bring a 2 year old thread from the grave and ask, why would Federer not want his racket to be released to the public?

BreakPoint
03-19-2006, 09:52 PM
Thought I would bring a 2 year old thread from the grave and ask, why would Federer not want his racket to be released to the public?

It's not Federer, it's Wilson. Wilson figures that no one would buy it since very few people would be able to actually use it, and they're right. Only the racquet geeks on this board would buy them and that's not nearly enough for them to bother with. :(

Bill Tilden
03-19-2006, 11:41 PM
One thing is clear i don't want the swiss flag paint on my raquet. that's all. :D

Azzurri
03-20-2006, 05:50 AM
I am a bit confused about all this talk about Fed's racquet. I just looked very closely at Fed's racquet in cnnsi.com tennis web site. He has 16 main and 19 cross strings. I keep hearing his set up w/regards to string pattern was different. Is this so? Also, his racquet throat looks a little longer than my racquets...maybe his handle/grip is a bit smaller. Since he has a one-handed backhand, why would he need a 2 handed size grip?

armand
03-20-2006, 07:03 AM
An 'unidentified source at Wilson'? Gimme a break. I can't believe all you people fell for it. Stop seeing what you want to see.

katarddx
03-20-2006, 07:54 AM
i knew that! :)

brucie
03-20-2006, 08:16 AM
Woah Brought back a post from '04 good stuff init, dunno why wilson can't introduce his racket but apparently he didn't want that under contract.

Galactus
03-20-2006, 08:18 AM
An 'unidentified source at Wilson'? Gimme a break. I can't believe all you people fell for it. Stop seeing what you want to see.
Yep - there's the big loophole right there: 'unidentified source'. :rolleyes:

legolas
03-20-2006, 11:55 AM
nice explanation

BreakPoint
03-20-2006, 12:59 PM
I am a bit confused about all this talk about Fed's racquet. I just looked very closely at Fed's racquet in cnnsi.com tennis web site. He has 16 main and 19 cross strings. I keep hearing his set up w/regards to string pattern was different. Is this so? Also, his racquet throat looks a little longer than my racquets...maybe his handle/grip is a bit smaller. Since he has a one-handed backhand, why would he need a 2 handed size grip?

The spacing of the strings in the middle of the stringbed of his custom racquet are further apart allowing him to genenrate more spin.

VGP
03-20-2006, 01:38 PM
One thing is clear i don't want the swiss flag paint on my raquet. that's all. :D

use blue overgrip (ala Tournagrip). problem solved.

egitserp
03-20-2006, 03:17 PM
Thought I would bring a 2 year old thread from the grave and ask, why would Federer not want his racket to be released to the public?
he doesn`t want it to be released because this racket is HIS racket, HIS holy grail, and he doesn`t want anybody else to have HIS racket that he`s been playing oh so well with.

Double K
03-21-2006, 03:50 PM
Seems this never ending debate might finally come to an end. According to some unidentified source at Wilson, All of Roger Federer'r racquets are made from a modified PS 6.0 mold. Roger wanted a larger racquet head from his original 85 sq.in. while trying to maintain ALL the original features of the racquet. Why not use the PS 6.0 95 you may ask? He did not want to and did not like it.

In an effort to satisfy him plus successfully market the PS Tour 90, Wilson modified a PS 6.0 85 mold to include the tapered flanges on the throat, a 90 sq.in. head, and the slight modifications to the PWS shape in order to "make it look" like a Tour 90 to the "untrained eye". Yes, they went through all this trouble just for him. Why has this racquet not been released? Apparently Roger didn't want to for some reason and worked it into his contract.

Also, he's using 80% Graph. 20% Kevlar like the original PS, nothing changed. The weight and balance are the same proportionality as he was using with his PS 85, customized to the new head size.

All his racquets (including the "supposed" nCode that he uses) is actually this racquet, obviously with different paintjobs. He seems to like this racquet very much given that it is the same as his old PS but with a larger head so don't expect him to change. If you're careful take a look a closeup pictures between the old Tour 90 he was "using" and the new nCode he is "using", obviously the same mold looking like the Tour 90 on the head, but like the PS 6.0 on the bottom of the throat and handle.

Hopefully this will clarify some doubts and end this nagging debate about Federer's racquet.
a...WHAT ARE THE SOURCES

rogersampras
03-21-2006, 04:53 PM
I think the guy who recently sold this racquet knows about Federer's racket, and the the guy from Japan who won the auction will know as well. Damn I am not able to stick to the last second of the auction!
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