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grimmbomb21
05-13-2006, 12:56 AM
I played a 3.0 usta match yesterday against this little guy with one of those white wilson racquets with the 115 head. I started the first set hitting ok, but everything came back! Flat, slice, topspin. Unless I hit flat to a corner for a winner, it came back. So I lose the first set 2-6.

Next set, I attack on everything. I hit every shot hard and flat, then come to the net behind it. I win the second set 6-2.

Third set. I break him the first game. I'm pumped now. I figure I have this pusher figured out....Wrong!!

I serve.Lob. I hit a forehand.Lob. I hit a backhand. Lob. He hits a lob on almost every shot the rest of the set and wins 6-3!! I know not to go for winners or be impatient, but one of my service games was half an hour! I lost track of how many times we went to duece after ten. I was starting to get tired but this guy, who does triathalon, didn't seem winded at all.

What do you do when a pusher stops just pushing it back over and starts lobbing? I couldn't find the thread on someone who just lobs so I started this one. Sorry to those who are tired of the same questions.

mucat
05-13-2006, 01:22 AM
Moonballer hey? Topspin moonball back DEEP (I mean DEEP) so push your opponent back against the fence, he will hit a moonball but it will usually be short, hit a winner with the shortball, I prefer volley or smash, dropshot works too.

mislav
05-13-2006, 01:37 AM
How was his net game? I'd try to go back to some baseline bashing and luring him to the net. Maybe that would've worked?

topspin kid
05-13-2006, 07:19 AM
i use to be a moonballer. and with a western grip so i would not be able to pick up low balls . should have tried. that wat type of grip did he have?

grimmbomb21
05-13-2006, 10:45 AM
i use to be a moonballer. and with a western grip so i would not be able to pick up low balls . should have tried. that wat type of grip did he have?

He didn't have a certain grip. And sometimes he hit one handed backhands. Sometimes twohanded. Sometimes lefty forehand. But he wasn't using topspin. Just an open face and popping the ball back over again and again.

wyutani
05-13-2006, 10:54 AM
I played a 3.0 usta match yesterday against this little guy with one of those white wilson racquets with the 115 head. I started the first set hitting ok, but everything came back! Flat, slice, topspin. Unless I hit flat to a corner for a winner, it came back. So I lose the first set 2-6.

Next set, I attack on everything. I hit every shot hard and flat, then come to the net behind it. I win the second set 6-2.

Third set. I break him the first game. I'm pumped now. I figure I have this pusher figured out....Wrong!!

I serve.Lob. I hit a forehand.Lob. I hit a backhand. Lob. He hits a lob on almost every shot the rest of the set and wins 6-3!! I know not to go for winners or be impatient, but one of my service games was half an hour! I lost track of how many times we went to duece after ten. I was starting to get tired but this guy, who does triathalon, didn't seem winded at all.

What do you do when a pusher stops just pushing it back over and starts lobbing? I couldn't find the thread on someone who just lobs so I started this one. Sorry to those who are tired of the same questions.

you said he uses topspin but then you say he didnt, which one mate'? pusher doesnt do top spin ...that's no pusher...you're facing a "All-court" player that looks like a pusher...i faced this kind of ppl before...they moonball they slice, they like know freakin' everything...to avoid a lob, i would normally play baseline (i know im a net rusher), if he does a lob, you'll do a smash...

grimmbomb21
05-13-2006, 11:00 AM
you said he uses topspin but then you say he didnt, which one mate'? pusher doesnt do top spin ...that's no pusher...you're facing a "All-court" player that looks like a pusher...i faced this kind of ppl before...they moonball they slice, they like know freakin' everything...to avoid a lob, i would normally play baseline (i know im a net rusher), if he does a lob, you'll do a smash...

My fault. I meant that I hit flat, slice, and topspin. I was trying all different shots but always got a lob back from the opponent.

akj27
05-13-2006, 11:17 AM
Moonballer hey? Topspin moonball back DEEP (I mean DEEP) so push your opponent back against the fence, he will hit a moonball but it will usually be short, hit a winner with the shortball, I prefer volley or smash, dropshot works too.


great advise

munk3y
05-13-2006, 02:47 PM
you said he uses topspin but then you say he didnt, which one mate'? pusher doesnt do top spin ...that's no pusher...you're facing a "All-court" player that looks like a pusher...i faced this kind of ppl before...they moonball they slice, they like know freakin' everything...to avoid a lob, i would normally play baseline (i know im a net rusher), if he does a lob, you'll do a smash...

lol wheres Andres?

jackson vile
05-13-2006, 05:44 PM
This is the problem when you play lower levels like this, you see many of these people can beat people all the way up to 4.5.

To be honest you should be able to win on serve, serve return, and volley.

The two options are to either get it done and over with over whelming them with heavy spin and jumping spin on the serve and serve return.

Or to grind it out, and if you are not a grind this will not work.

You have to do exactly like you did not he second set, go crazy, you will lose other wise so you might as well stick to playing your game and not their's.

These people are specialist and unless you are hitting heavy top or kick spin you will lose time and time again.


So this is what you do, stop practicing ground strokes and start practicing serve, serve return and volleys.


Isn't it strange a 3.0 that looks so grose could cause up to a 4.5 so many probelms, these people have usually been playing tennis for many many years and are usually really old people.

omktid
05-13-2006, 05:58 PM
This is the problem when you play lower levels like this, you see many of these people can beat people all the way up to 4.5.

Isn't it strange a 3.0 that looks so grose could cause up to a 4.5 so many probelms, these people have usually been playing tennis for many many years and are usually really old people.

Well put. I simply swallow my pride and move on thinking I will
play some one who will hit it back normally, not one of those
moonballs (where you can run couple times round the court by the
time the ball lands) and spin/slice serves which bounce twice or thrice
in the service box which leave you :eek:

shindemac
05-13-2006, 06:01 PM
O my god Jackson vile. Were you drunk when you wrote that?!

x Southpaw x
05-13-2006, 06:05 PM
Um, give him the same sky-high lob back?
Or... hit on the rise?
And, maybe try grunting loud every shot too. Helps your concentration and irritates him imo.

omktid
05-13-2006, 06:07 PM
O my god Jackson vile. Were you drunk when you wrote that?!

3.0 probably is extreme, however with 3.5 pusher vs 4.0 - it can be comical
to watch :) A 4.5 will beat a 3.0 (pusher or not).

jackson vile
05-13-2006, 07:22 PM
3.0 probably is extreme, however with 3.5 pusher vs 4.0 - it can be comical
to watch :) A 4.5 will beat a 3.0 (pusher or not).


You would be suprised and this to me shows a lack of experience, once you have seen it you come back and talk to me about it.

Also I beat those 3.5 when I did not have a very good serve at all, but I could blast their serve and anything else sent my way and that is how I won.

I don't even have a rating and have only 100hrs of total court time max, I played last summer and fall and now this summer.


The thing is that when you get a powderpuff hitter and server it can be really difficult to generate enough speed and spin with out making an error.

This is because a fast ball is more stable to hit and has more potential energy waiting for you.

Same as hitting a knucle ball in base ball.


Regurdless as stated you should be able to take care of it with serve and return.

Thing is that mose people rely on their ground game especially women

seaducer67
05-13-2006, 08:15 PM
I see a lot of these types of players particularly in Florida because endurance and heat are such a factor. I don't know if you were playing on hard or clay, but certainly at the 3.0 or 3.5 level I know this can be frustrating to go up against, especially if they're triathaletes and distance runners. Being an all court player, with every intention of picking off points at the net, I'd be much more agressive returning his serve and shortening the points that way. I know a few baseliners that dont' particularly like playing against me, not because they're not better than me, cuz a few are, but because I don't give them the rhythm they're accustomed to. I have a 1hbh which I usually like to drive on returns and hit flat from the baseline, somewhat flat forehand. With lobsters and moonballers, I'll catch the ball as early as i can, and on the backhand side I also catch it early with a slice, which when I catch it right won't bounce much higher than knee high. These low skidding shots are a nightmare to lob or moonball especially on fast hard courts, throw in a few short angles, and a drop shot once in a while, get him to the net, then aim right at the hips. Lobs and moonballs are much easier to hit at the baseline, try hitting moonballs from inside the service box if you dont' believe me. My strat against a moonballer is not to let him moonball.

grimmbomb21
05-13-2006, 09:40 PM
I see a lot of these types of players particularly in Florida because endurance and heat are such a factor. I don't know if you were playing on hard or clay, but certainly at the 3.0 or 3.5 level I know this can be frustrating to go up against, especially if they're triathaletes and distance runners. Being an all court player, with every intention of picking off points at the net, I'd be much more agressive returning his serve and shortening the points that way. I know a few baseliners that dont' particularly like playing against me, not because they're not better than me, cuz a few are, but because I don't give them the rhythm they're accustomed to. I have a 1hbh which I usually like to drive on returns and hit flat from the baseline, somewhat flat forehand. With lobsters and moonballers, I'll catch the ball as early as i can, and on the backhand side I also catch it early with a slice, which when I catch it right won't bounce much higher than knee high. These low skidding shots are a nightmare to lob or moonball especially on fast hard courts, throw in a few short angles, and a drop shot once in a while, get him to the net, then aim right at the hips. Lobs and moonballs are much easier to hit at the baseline, try hitting moonballs from inside the service box if you dont' believe me. My strat against a moonballer is not to let him moonball.


Right on. I'll practice hitting on the rise for next time. I'm still not that great at it. Thanks to everyone for the advice.

grimmbomb21
05-13-2006, 09:50 PM
One more question about this guy I played.

After it was over, my teammates were saying how I was a better player, had better form and strokes, better fundamentals. Blah, blah, blah.

I lost.

Even if a pusher doesn't hit any real strokes, and his only strategy is to pop another lob back to make you hit one more ball, wouldn't being able to win make you the better player? I mean, by working on implementing the fundamentals of the game I think that I am setting myself up to be able to move on to a higher level down the road. But for right now, beating a player like that would be difficult for me on my best day.

I don't know. What do you guys think?

jackson vile
05-13-2006, 11:03 PM
No, that is just how it works, a worse player can win as long as they stick to their game plan and/or are better at their game % then you are.

So you have bigger fuller everything, the thing is that you will get better and level up while he will be at the same level for the rest of his life and if he gets pushed up a level he will end up losing all the time.


Haven't you ever heard the pros saying the reason they lost to this or that player was because they were so bad? There is some truth to the, but in reality you should be able to put them to sleep with serve and return