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Custom+Hybrid
05-21-2006, 08:19 PM
SOrry If it is a stupid question but I've always wondered this

Andres
05-21-2006, 08:23 PM
Good technique usually PREVENTS TE :)

MTChong
05-21-2006, 08:23 PM
If I recall correctly, Roddick had a pretty nasty bout of it last year?

superman1
05-21-2006, 08:25 PM
If you hit the ball cleanly, there's no reason why your elbow should get screwy. My forearm gets sore but that's it.

jc_rex
05-21-2006, 08:29 PM
Tennis elbow is originally the diagnosis for having pain in the lateral epicondyle (the outer part of the elbow)... this landmark is the attachment for the wrist extensors, which is the muscle group working in the backhand or the muscle group stressed during a backhand swing OR the muscle group overstretched in a missed forehand shot...
You are predisposed to having this if you are doing the following:
- using a continental grip for the backhand or an eastern backhand grip on a one-handed backhand; continental is more predisposed to having it
- you keep missing your forehands hehehe
- poor wrist extensor muscle strength
- you play only on the weekends (thus the term "weekend warriors")

Pros nowadays are using either eastern backhand or western backhand, which puts them to a lesser risk of having that, having a two handed backhand even puts you to an even lesser risk of having that... They have a very vigorous muscle strengthening program designed to prevent the most common injuries in the game like rotator cuff tendinitis, etc... including tennis elbow...

jc_rex
05-21-2006, 08:32 PM
oh, just read andres' post... faulty technique also predisposes you to it... hehe

arosen
05-21-2006, 08:41 PM
String your Babolat Pure Drive with Luxilon Big Banger or Kevlar at 80 pounds and hit wristy forehands with it. Tennis elbow guaranteed.

TENNIS_IS_FUN
05-21-2006, 08:42 PM
String your Babolat Pure Drive with Luxilon Big Banger or Kevlar at 80 pounds and hit wristy forehands with it. Tennis elbow guaranteed.

is it even possible to string lux at 80?? -_-

goober
05-21-2006, 08:47 PM
Besides good technique as everybody is saying most pros have age on their side. Almost all the people you see with tennis elbow are much older than your average pro. I personally almost never got injured in my teens and twenties. If I did, I would recover very quickly. Now it is just a bunch of nagging minor inuries.

Poor technique, poor fitness/strength,advancing age= more injuries and longer recovery periods

Custom+Hybrid
05-21-2006, 08:52 PM
ok
thanks for the quick answers

BreakPoint
05-21-2006, 10:29 PM
I understand Gasquet also has a bad case of tennis elbow.

I also believe Sampras had it. You can see him massaging his elbow during changeovers.

Also, wasn't Krajicek forced to retire due to tennis elbow?

Andy Hewitt
05-21-2006, 10:43 PM
I unno... steroids?

elquien
05-21-2006, 11:07 PM
My only incedent was after five months of trying out many different racquets. As soon as I found my match (rdx 500), it went away. I was scared for a while though.

pero
05-21-2006, 11:08 PM
stretching and good warm up have a great influence on having or not a te...
it's also a matter of technique :D , tring tension, racquet weight, genetical predisposition etc :mrgreen:

Ripper
05-22-2006, 07:04 AM
You are predisposed to having this if you are doing the following:
- using a continental grip for the backhand or an eastern backhand grip on a one-handed backhand; continental is more predisposed to having it

Pros nowadays are using either eastern backhand or western backhand, which puts them to a lesser risk of having that, having a two handed backhand even puts you to an even lesser risk of having that...

I understand Gasquet also has a bad case of tennis elbow.

jc_rex: I knew that a 2hbh could help prevent TE, but I didn't know that a 1hbh continental or, even, an eastern (bh) could help cause it; not that I'm doubting you, but could you point me towards more info concerning this? I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks.

Oh and since Breakpoint says that Gasquet had TE, it would be interesting to know what bh grip he uses. Does anyone know? I just posted a new thread asking this.

Eviscerator
05-22-2006, 07:19 AM
Good technique usually PREVENTS TE :)

I agree with that to a large extent, but there are also other causes.

Having said that, I had a case of it 5 years ago or so, and the ortho specialist laughed and said I had "good players" tennis elbow. I wondered what the heck he was talking about, and he went on to say that hackers get tennis elbow pain on the outside of their arms with the palm up, but better players get it on the inside. He also said it is called golfers elbow as well. Mine went away with some rest and getting rid of my Kevlar strings. I'd rather pay more to restring more often that have that pain again.

joe sch
05-22-2006, 07:26 AM
They are all getting TE, shoulder problems, leg, knee, and hip problems.
The new material super stiff light rackets and poly strings cause TE problems much sooner than the old school graphite. Playing on hard courts the majority of the year cause many leg, hip, and knee problems. All of these health issues are leading to much shorter careers for tennis players.

irishbanger
05-22-2006, 08:46 AM
I have no scientific evidence to back this up, but my first coach claimed that tennis elbow is caused by poor technique---specifically hitting the ball too late when it has passed the mid point of your hip. The cure is to hit the ball out in front of you. I've since watched and there seems to be some validity to the argument.

Rabbit
05-22-2006, 09:11 AM
Todd Martin had a problem with it, Rod Laver suffered when he used a Chemhold frame, I believe Kafelnikov had some eblow issues. Technique can contribute, but so can equipment, frames, string, and tension.

AngeloDS
05-22-2006, 09:47 AM
It's a matter of luck more than anything when it comes to tennis elbow. The pros do get injured but they play like they aren't injured -- they're athletes and have to make money via winning. Look at Clijsters a slew of injuries but she plays like she has none.

But there's a few things that might cause tennis elbow. Poor technique, poor fitness, framing balls, hitting late, overhitting and other stuff that would cause stress to the elbow.

Aykhan Mammadov
05-22-2006, 01:24 PM
PROs also do have TE but rare than normal people.

Because PROs become tennis-players beginning from very young ages ( from 6-7) and during years when a man's body is establishing they day-by-day also strengthen their corresponding tendons, muscles. To the age 16-17 their muscles and tendons are stronger than of amateurs playing tennis from 30.

tennisadict
05-22-2006, 11:10 PM
they lift weight and proper technique

Polaris
05-22-2006, 11:19 PM
Todd Martin had a problem with it, Rod Laver suffered when he used a Chemhold frame, I believe Kafelnikov had some eblow issues. Technique can contribute, but so can equipment, frames, string, and tension.
Now I don't feel so ****** anymore. If Laver had to deal with TE, then a mere mortal like me shouldn't complain. My TE was due to an extreme Western forehand grip. I have since changed to semi-Western, sacrificed some topspin. Sometimes, I still experience slight pain if I clench my fist after playing for an hour and a half, but this is reducing every time I play and doesn't last beyond a few hours.

Marius had this highly valuable set of TE links which I followed, apart from my own physiotherapy treatment followed by some exercises at the gym. Nowadays, it is more like 2 sessions of gym and 1 session of tennis per week, instead of the 3 sessions of tennis last year.

BreakPoint
05-23-2006, 01:06 PM
Having said that, I had a case of it 5 years ago or so, and the ortho specialist laughed and said I had "good players" tennis elbow. I wondered what the heck he was talking about, and he went on to say that hackers get tennis elbow pain on the outside of their arms with the palm up, but better players get it on the inside. He also said it is called golfers elbow as well. Mine went away with some rest and getting rid of my Kevlar strings. I'd rather pay more to restring more often that have that pain again.

Ha ha ha! I must be a "good player" then as mine is on the inside of my elbow or "golfer's elbow".

NoBadMojo
05-23-2006, 01:42 PM
Roddick has been a TE sufferer and Coria is out with it now. Typically the golfers elbow is called by a faulty forehand and typically the tennis elbow is caused by a faulty backhand...

katarddx
05-23-2006, 04:10 PM
Agassi is still getting the shots and many of them each year, so is Gimelstob.

Eviscerator
05-23-2006, 07:13 PM
Ha ha ha! I must be a "good player" then as mine is on the inside of my elbow or "golfer's elbow".

LOL, it sounded strange to me, but at least the pain stroked my ego a tiny bit.:mrgreen:

It was so uncomfortable, I'd rather be called a hacker and not have it, but I guess it hurts about the same on the outside as well. I am also taking a product called Triple Flex that is suppose to help all of your joints and it seems to help with all the hard court tennis I play.

jc_rex
05-23-2006, 09:06 PM
jc_rex: I knew that a 2hbh could help prevent TE, but I didn't know that a 1hbh continental or, even, an eastern (bh) could help cause it; not that I'm doubting you, but could you point me towards more info concerning this? I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks.

I'm not saying they could help cause it... it's just that having a continental grip has a greater predisposition to having it than an eastern backhand grip and that having an eb grip is more predisposed to having it than having a western backhand grip...
I've had lots of patients with tennis elbow (and hitting partners as well)... most of them are using continental grip on their backhands... i've advised them to switch to an eastern backhand grip plus do some therapeutic exercises and people who did so had less recurrence of tennis elbow... i had some patients with tennis elbow also who are using an eastern backhand grip, doing some therapeutic and preventative exercises alone helped prevent recurrence after a period of recovery... i've never encountered people with the western backhand grip who complain of tennis elbow... i wish i could present statistical data to you to make my conclusions more valid, but I am just speaking from experience...
to explain my claims (and the claims of my coleagues as well) I'd be happy to discuss some theoretical information regarding this if you want me to...
edit: edited because the quote tags did not work the first time, hehehe...

jc_rex
05-23-2006, 09:15 PM
Ha ha ha! I must be a "good player" then as mine is on the inside of my elbow or "golfer's elbow".
lateral epicondylitis (tennis elbow) and medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow) has been almost equally common among tennis players that lateral epicondylitis is being called the "backhand tennis elbow" and that medial epicondylitis is being called the "forehand tennis elbow" by some... most of the people i've encountered with the forehand tennis elbows are varsity players and most of the people i've encountered with the backhand tennis elbow are recreational players... i guess you could say that people with the forehand tennis elbow are good players... lol...

framer
05-23-2006, 09:19 PM
I'm not saying they could help cause it... it's just that having a continental grip has a greater predisposition to having it than an eastern backhand grip and that having an eb grip is more predisposed to having it than having a western backhand grip...
I've had lots of patients with tennis elbow (and hitting partners as well)... most of them are using continental grip on their backhands... i've advised them to switch to an eastern backhand grip plus do some therapeutic exercises and people who did so had less recurrence of tennis elbow... i had some patients with tennis elbow also who are using an eastern backhand grip, doing some therapeutic and preventative exercises alone helped prevent recurrence after a period of recovery... i've never encountered people with the western backhand grip who complain of tennis elbow... i wish i could present statistical data to you to make my conclusions more valid, but I am just speaking from experience...
to explain my claims (and the claims of my coleagues as well) I'd be happy to discuss some theoretical information regarding this if you want me to...
edit: edited because the quote tags did not work the first time, hehehe...

What is a Western Backhand grip? Same as eastern FH?

jc_rex
05-23-2006, 09:22 PM
yeah... here's a photo from t e n n i s s e r v e r . c o m

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/turbo_97_10/fig8r.JPG