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TennisAce101
05-27-2006, 08:01 AM
I am about 5'7-5'8 and i do flat serves fine-_-; but why do most short people prefer kick or spin?

wyutani
05-27-2006, 08:21 AM
I am about 5'7-5'8 and i do flat serves fine-_-; but why do most short people prefer kick or spin?

im somewhere near 5'8 and i always do a flat serve, that's me...

Janne
05-27-2006, 08:27 AM
How much is 5'7 - 5'8 in cm? :P

wyutani
05-27-2006, 08:28 AM
How much is 5'7 - 5'8 in cm? :P

roughly 168cm

H-town hero
05-27-2006, 08:30 AM
dude ur not short

AndyP
05-27-2006, 08:42 AM
Because they have a smaller angle at which to put the ball into the service box. If they put spin on it there is a better chance the serve will go in.

RiosTheGenius
05-27-2006, 08:47 AM
it is sort of self explanatory. less angle so you hit a kick serve so you still get net clearance but with good chances of getting it in the service box... no rocket science

snoflewis
05-27-2006, 09:06 AM
that's just their personal preference...i know someone around 5'3" who has a very flat 1st serve.

Dan007
05-27-2006, 09:25 AM
Short people usually use kick or spin because they can get it over the net easier, but flat, is going straight down, after ther contact and the wrist snap and since short people are short, when they use flat it's mostly going to go in the net all the time. Is this that hard to figure out?:confused:

Duff
05-27-2006, 09:29 AM
I'm 5'5"~6" and I do flats :p ( well working on it). I'm trying to compensate for my height by jumping higher, which would give me more angle and more power I presume. Hopefully BB doesn't disagree ( the GOAT of tt forums )

Golden Retriever
05-27-2006, 09:29 AM
because they are short? Seriously, if you have good technic you can serve flat short but only down the line.

wyutani
05-27-2006, 09:48 AM
dude ur not short

uhh...yes he is...5'8 is really short if you're comparing wif europeans...

Ripper
05-27-2006, 09:52 AM
Talking about short people, I saw on the news, yesterday, that a judge decided to not send to jail a guy who was found guilty of some sexual crime I can't remember, right now. The reason? Because he was short! The judge was afraid he would be picked on in jail. If I recall properly, the criminal is 5'2 or something like that... So, as you can see, this guy wouldn't be able to hit a flat serve; oh, but he can **** and not go to jail!!!

Court_Jester
05-27-2006, 10:02 AM
Actually, he's 5'1'' and the judge gave him a 10-yr probation for raping his fiancee's daughter. Twice. Regardless of his height, he should have been to jail anyway. And you know what? Child molesters tend to get beat up and killed in prison by inmates more often than any other. Let's see how he'd feel when he gets raped too.

BTW, 5'7" and 5'8" are not considered short, even when compared to Americans.

wyutani
05-27-2006, 10:02 AM
Talking about short people, I saw on the news, yesterday, that a judge decided to not send to jail a guy who was found guilty of some sexual crime I can't remember, right now. The reason? Because he was short! The judge was afraid he would be picked on in jail. If I recall properly, the criminal is 5'2 or something like that... So, as you can see, this guy wouldn't be able to hit a flat serve; oh, but he can **** and not go to jail!!!

jail rape? but they dun mix the guys and girls together mate', they are saperated you know...

unsung
05-27-2006, 10:07 AM
What are you guys talking about? Justine Henin-Hardenne is only like 5'6" or something, and her 1st serve is like 100-120 mph.

Lakoste
05-27-2006, 10:08 AM
Talking about short people, I saw on the news, yesterday, that a judge decided to not send to jail a guy who was found guilty of some sexual crime I can't remember, right now. The reason? Because he was short! The judge was afraid he would be picked on in jail. If I recall properly, the criminal is 5'2 or something like that... So, as you can see, this guy wouldn't be able to hit a flat serve; oh, but he can **** and not go to jail!!!

I saw that too, this 50ish year old guy raped a 13 yr. old, and he was foudn guilty and was facing serious jail time. Since he was only 5' 1", the judge said he was too short to go to jail and he got 10 years probation. It'll probably be overturned though, at least I hope so.

jail rape? but they dun mix the guys and girls together mate', they are saperated you know...
what are you on?

Court_Jester
05-27-2006, 10:09 AM
jail rape? but they dun mix the guys and girls together mate', they are saperated you know...

:confused: (slaps forehead...)

Either you're very young or you lead a sheltered life. :|

Ripper
05-27-2006, 10:37 AM
Child molesters tend to get beat up and killed in prison by inmates more often than any other. Let's see how he'd feel when he gets raped too.

Exactly and being small won't help him, which is what the judge was concerned about. However, this guy didn't seem to care about the consequences of his criminal actions, when he decided he wanted to carry them out. So, really, it's not this judge's job to, now, have to worry for him. Besides, talking about consequences, letting this stand, would promote criminal behaviour.

Rickson
05-27-2006, 10:37 AM
I am about 5'7-5'8 and i do flat serves fine-_-; but why do most short people prefer kick or spin?
People have stated on this forum that nobody under 6'4 can hit down on a serve so a flat serve better suits tall people. Shorter people can flat serve, but they can't actually hit down during a serve. Most short people's flat serves will go long so they either have to take a little pace off the serve or add a little topspin to the serve.

Andres
05-27-2006, 10:37 AM
What are you guys talking about? Justine Henin-Hardenne is only like 5'6" or something, and her 1st serve is like 100-120 mph.
No, it's not.

She can touch the mid 100 eventually, even 110 .... SOME OTHER TIME.... but she doesn't not serve in the 100-120 consistently.

Rickson
05-27-2006, 10:40 AM
Justine is just under 5'5 and definitely not 5'6.

Ripper
05-27-2006, 10:42 AM
People have stated on this forum that nobody under 6'4 can hit down on a serve so a flat serve better suits tall people. Shorter people can flat serve, but they can't actually hit down during a serve. Most short people's flat serves will go long so they either have to take a little pace off the serve or add a little topspin to the serve.

Simply, it's difficult (not impossible) for a short person to hit a flat serve (that will go in) with enough power to cause damage. Furthermore, good spin serves cause more damage than flat serves that are not at full (or close to full) power.

siber222000
05-27-2006, 02:01 PM
.... 5'7 is short? u gotta be kidding me

munk3y
05-27-2006, 02:42 PM
I'm going to assume 170cm is 5'9?

Rickson
05-27-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm going to assume 170cm is 5'9?
And your assumption is incorrect! 170 cm is 5'7.

Ronaldo
05-27-2006, 03:27 PM
Think short people got no reason to hit a flat serve should see Thomas Johansson's flat serve

Roddick The Beast
05-27-2006, 05:13 PM
what are you on?Even though I don't like you at all, that ^ statement was relevant, and funny!

(Note, I did not say that I "hate" you. Just that you're NOT "alright" according to me (not that all of this is really important). As a matter of fact, I think you are "creepy", Lakoste.) :neutral:

Roddick The Beast
05-27-2006, 05:15 PM
Think short people got no reason to hit a flat serve should see Thomas Johansson's flat serveRonaldo, how tall is he?

Roddick The Beast
05-27-2006, 05:15 PM
And your assumption is incorrect! 170 cm is 5'7.Have you cooled down yet?

Duzza
05-27-2006, 05:15 PM
why can't canadians structure proper sentences?
"Why does short people don't flat serve?"

wyutani
05-27-2006, 05:16 PM
why can't canadians structure proper sentences?
"Why does short people don't flat serve?"

must be asian...

Duzza
05-27-2006, 05:17 PM
why can't canadians structure proper sentences?
"Why does short people don't flat serve?"

artworks
05-27-2006, 09:01 PM
jail rape? but they dun mix the guys and girls together mate', they are saperated you know...

Use your brain, "mate". :mrgreen:

lucky leprechaun
05-27-2006, 10:57 PM
Short people who hit good flat serves are tough to return. It's like they skid and come on you fast.

Tezuka Kunimitsu
05-27-2006, 11:43 PM
why can't canadians structure proper sentences?
"Why does short people don't flat serve?"


lol ^^ Of course the whole margin for error thing, but I am 5' 10'' (I consider short..) I hit flat serves, but I really jump into it...I would rather to kick or slice...

~Joe

lol.. the problem with the jumping thing is... when I land and their return is deep I am not ready yet to return. Though this may be due to poor foot work...faster the serve faster it comes back sometimes...compared to kick or slice...

artworks
05-28-2006, 12:04 AM
There's a good logic for having two chances to serve. And most of the time, ATP players, including 6'10" Ivo Karlovic, uses Top Spin 2nd serve.

Ronaldo
05-28-2006, 06:16 AM
Ronaldo, how tall is he?
ATP has him at 5' 11". Same service has Fabrice Santoro at 6' 0", Serena 135# so go figure.

munk3y
05-28-2006, 06:22 AM
And your assumption is incorrect! 170 cm is 5'7.

so how exactly do you convert cm to foot?

Ronaldo
05-28-2006, 08:41 AM
Back in the day 2.54 cm=an inch but then again I used a slide rule thru middle and high school, calculators not permitted.

Rickson
05-28-2006, 08:45 AM
so how exactly do you convert cm to foot?
1 centimeter = 0.393700787 inches

bribeiro
05-28-2006, 08:47 AM
I'm 5'9-10 and I can hit flat serves just fine.

Andres
05-28-2006, 09:03 AM
1 centimeter = 0.393700787 inches
Some more:

One inch is 2.54 centimeters.
One foot is 30.48 centimeters.
One centimeter is 0.032808 foot.

;)

Final_Match_Point
05-28-2006, 09:37 AM
Lol im 5-5, I have trouble hitting flat serves, I try, but as of right now, the margin of errors kinda large.

papa
05-28-2006, 11:07 AM
Well, I keep a racquet with a string attached to the stringbed. I always show players that even when your fairly tall (anything under say 6' 2") you cannot just hit the ball flat and have any expectations of it staying in. Sure gravity will bring the ball down a little depending on the speed but for all practical purposes, you need some kind of top to bring the ball down - pure slice won't do it.

munk3y
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
Some more:

One inch is 2.54 centimeters.
One foot is 30.48 centimeters.
One centimeter is 0.032808 foot.

;)


hrm, i did the calculation and i turn out to be 5.57743 feet, how exactly is that 5'7?
lol

Amone
05-28-2006, 02:45 PM
What's with you folks, man? 5'10" aint short. I'm 5'6", I'm a little short, I would say 5'7" is closing in on average, 5'10" is a fine height. Well, fine up till a point. I have been working on my serve, trying to up the speed on the first one, but the only way I can get it in the box IS with topspin, though I don't necessarily use a lot on the more successful ones.

Andres
05-28-2006, 04:07 PM
Let's make it easier for EVERYONE:

Feet - Centimeters:

5'0'' = 152,40
5'1'' = 154,90
5'2'' = 157,40
5'3'' = 159,90
5'4'' = 162,40
5'5'' = 164,90
5'6'' = 167,40
5'7'' = 169,90
5'8'' = 172,40
5'9'' = 174,90
5'10'' = 177,40
5'11'' = 179,90
6'0' = 182,88
6'1'' = 185,38
6'2'' = 187,88
6'3'' = 190,38
6'4'' = 192,88
6'5'' = 195,38
6'6'' = 197,88
6'7'' = 200,38
6'8'' = 202,88
6'9'' = 205,38
6'10'' = 207,88
6'11'' = 210,38
7'0'' = 213,36
7'1'' = 215,86
7'2'' = 218,36
7'3'' = 220,86
7'4'' = 223,36
7'5'' = 225,86

wyutani
05-28-2006, 04:09 PM
wot? im only 5'6? jeez~

Andres
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
I found a little error in the maths... this is the correct list:

5'0'' = 152,40
5'1'' = 154,94
5'2'' = 157,48
5'3'' = 160,02
5'4'' = 162,56
5'5'' = 165,10
5'6'' = 167,64
5'7'' = 170,18
5'8'' = 172,72
5'9'' = 175,26
5'10'' = 177,80
5'11'' = 180,34
6'0'' = 182,88
6'1'' = 185,42
6'2'' = 187,96
6'3'' = 190,50
6'4'' = 193,04
6'5'' = 195,58
6'6'' = 198,12
6'7'' = 200,66
6'8'' = 203,20
6'9'' = 205,74
6'10'' = 208,28
6'11'' = 210,82
7'0'' = 213,36
7'1'' = 215,90
7'2'' = 218,44
7'3'' = 220,98
7'4'' = 223,52
7'5'' = 226,06

:D

wyutani
05-28-2006, 05:04 PM
im still 5'6...

Andres
05-28-2006, 05:07 PM
Tough luck, yutani... ;)

Amone
05-28-2006, 05:46 PM
You know you're 5'6" when everyone's about 5" taller than you... oi. That's 12.7 cm, for you not-americans. Wow, it almost sounds like americans are the ones with the weird numbering system with a sentence like that. Oh, wait, it wasn't an accident.

I say this from my experience being at the bottom limit of 5'6"... and being shorter than everyone else by a good distance. Except for the people I hang out with, who are like... 5'1", they're 12.7 cm shorter.

lucky leprechaun
05-28-2006, 07:09 PM
5'10" is kind of short for sports unless you're a jockey.

shindemac
05-28-2006, 07:28 PM
munkey:

170cm/2.54inch = 67 inches

5 feet = 60 inches so 67-60 = 7 inches

5'7"


I find people are wrong about their heights. Most people inflate it by a couple inches so you can't really compare them.

Duzza
05-28-2006, 09:29 PM
yay im 6'1''

wyutani
05-28-2006, 09:31 PM
one idea to make oneself tall is to wear high-heels...~ :mrgreen:

thevillageidiot
05-28-2006, 09:38 PM
one idea to make oneself tall is to wear high-heels...~ :mrgreen:

It'll make you taller, but it sure won't help you with your flat serve...

munk3y
05-29-2006, 06:18 AM
munkey:

170cm/2.54inch = 67 inches

5 feet = 60 inches so 67-60 = 7 inches

5'7"


I find people are wrong about their heights. Most people inflate it by a couple inches so you can't really compare them.

man, you just made my day. I've been wondering how to convert that for...a good 20 years.