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Osteo UK
05-29-2006, 08:36 AM
Watching the French Open on British Eurosport not 2 minutes ago, Mats Wilander made an observation during the Venus Williams match regarding professional male singles players who play doubles as well.

He was saying that doubles used to be seen as a good way to practise serve and volley, but read what he said (the wording is roughly right, but you will get the message):

"More singles players in doubles are staying back because they want to win instead of practising serve and volley".

Let the games begin...

armand
05-29-2006, 08:43 AM
Sounds like 'Matt' is getting ready to make a comeback...on the doubles circuit. No one's done that before!

cak
05-29-2006, 08:56 AM
Makes sense to me, if you aren't a serve and volley player, and you want to try and win you go with what you know. The big question is, how's that working for them? Who was the last professional male singles baseline player to win doubles grand slam title? And who do you count as a singles player? (Santoro won the French Open Mixed last year, but he's done better in doubles, is he considered a singles player?)

Sweden
05-29-2006, 10:50 AM
There are a lot of typically baseline players who do very well in doubles as well playing serve and volley e.g. Hrbaty and J Johansson. I cannot remember last time I saw any player stand back after serve in a doubles match, must have been on clay a couple of years ago in some first round match...

dmastous
05-29-2006, 10:54 AM
That's true of some women's doubles teams. But the men are still winning at the net.

grizzly4life
05-29-2006, 10:57 AM
i think that's an excellent comment, and i hadn't really thought of it like that.... i thought that doubles was good practice for volleying but most players don't use volleys as major weapon...

i think roddick is one guy who might benefit from playing doubles as better volleying would really improve his game.

Bungalo Bill
05-29-2006, 11:03 AM
Watching the French Open on British Eurosport not 2 minutes ago, Mats Wilander made an observation during the Venus Williams match regarding professional male singles players who play doubles as well.

He was saying that doubles used to be seen as a good way to practise serve and volley, but read what he said (the wording is roughly right, but you will get the message):

"More singles players in doubles are staying back because they want to win instead of practising serve and volley".

Let the games begin...

Osteo,

This is old news. Many of us know that the game of doubles for those teams that have strong groundstrokes and passing shots will stay back and play.

It is true, and is largely based on this game involving from a baseline singles game which had a lot of play int he backcourt. Racquet technology also had its influence on this as well.

Now, you are seeing teams mix in different fomations for various things like handling big servers etc...The game of doubles from a formation standpoint is in a way moving towards an ALL-COURT formation because of the different styles players bring to the doubles game.

So there is no game with me, it is already known. What you should do is review the standings of doubles teams. Those that stay back the majority of the time and fire away with their big ground game and those that mostly take the net. The last time I checked it was the teams that were versatile in their positioning that excelled.

dmastous
05-29-2006, 11:09 AM
i think that's an excellent comment, and i hadn't really thought of it like that.... i thought that doubles was good practice for volleying but most players don't use volleys as major weapon...

i think roddick is one guy who might benefit from playing doubles as better volleying would really improve his game.

100% correct. I wish he would get out and play some doubles. His volley stroke is way too long and risky. And when he is able to hit volleys they are ineffective and put no pressure on his opponent.

35ft6
05-29-2006, 12:05 PM
"More singles players in doubles are staying back because they want to win instead of practising serve and volley". In a way, I think the only time it would be appropriate for a person to practice a skill they're not comfortable with during a match, like S and V in doubles, is if the doubles team consisted of two singles players who make good money in the singles draws.

Otherwise, it's two doubles specialists who make their living playing doubles, so why wouldn't they "want to win instead of practicing" their weaknesses?

And what if a singles player was teamed up with a guy who can only qualify for the doubles draw, how ****ed would you be if you're a doubles specialist trying to pay the bills and your doubles partner, who makes 15 to 20 times more than you, is treating your match like a practice session?

So I could understand if Massu and Gonzalez teamed up and practiced serve and volleying, but not if Massu was playing with a guy like Stephen Huss, who's ranked 24 in doubles and 807 in singles. Stephen's made $29,960 so far this year. Massu is currently 35 in singles, and has made $280,000 so far this year. Picked Massu because he won the gold in doubles playing on the baseline, seems like a guy who one might think could benefit from practicing serve and volley, but maybe not at the expense of a guy who's making lower middle class income.

slice bh compliment
05-29-2006, 12:10 PM
... The last time I checked it was the teams that were versatile in their positioning that excelled.

Gold.